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Foil SUP / Re: Foil SUp Standing Wave Glwd SPrings CO
« on: March 14, 2019, 08:16:48 PM »
Hey guys, Ive set up a bunch of rocks in my driveway. Really big ones. Im thinking of standing on a ladder on top of two skateboards and running over them.

Whats the best way to make sure Im going really fast when I hit the rocks? Should I go with a 4 or 6 ladder? Should I wear foot straps?

Asking for a friend.

This one made me smirk.  ;) And if you were wondering, the front foot strap is essential.

Foil SUP / Re: River Foil Surf
« on: March 13, 2019, 08:57:09 PM »
Stumbled onto this thread.  I live in CO, about 20 min from the Glenwood Springs wave park.  I currently kite foil, have a number of different wings but have been using the moses 633 and 483 rear stablizer with a 91cm and 111cm mast.  I also have a SLingshot 76cm with 24 inch mast.  That is probably what i would use for the river.

Here is video of the glenwood wave, water speeds seem a lot faster than what you are riding.

Video of kite foiling, board size is 4'2", on a moses 633, 9 m kite in 18 mph winds.

We have had record snows, so am expecting water levels to reach in the 20k range. 

The eddy i pop in from is full of rocks.

So i dont even know where to begin.  I would probably need a new board,  and then the question is how to get on this wave.  Rope might be best?  I know the saftey issues, but i could have someone posted on the rope with a quick release.

Any thoughts?

A few thoughts:

- the wave in the video I was surfing was really low levels (ideal at 6,000) and it was only around 2,900 cfs. The entry is super shallow so I used the 10 inch strut.
- I use several different strut/mast lengths (10, 15, 20, 23 inch) depending on the depth of the entry and river wave.
- higher flowing waves fly better. Either way, a huge front is key with a rear wing that glides (I didn't have a lot of success with the 'v' shaped rear wing because it didn't provide enough lift).
- a super light and short board are key to fit in the pocket.

It's an interesting concept though because I flew the famous Lochsa Pipeline river wave (where Kai Lenny prone foiled) and the entry would only allow a 15" strut even though the wave was deeper. I have a lot more to learn about strut/mast length because it isn't always about riding the longest one due to the water dynamics. The 10" seems to put the wings in the right spot most of the time.

I choose to not use ropes or any assistance and have learned how to paddle in, prone and stand up etc. The current set-up was over a year and a half of testing and finally have a set up that is adjustable, flies, and is super responsive!! This same set-up works awesome in the ocean as well and I've learned that flying is flying!! Ocean waves are amazing and river waves are amazing as well!! The set-up is a King's Paddle Board (5' 4" X 32" carbon) and foil assembly (with a 36" custom front wing and glide rear).

I highly recommend putting a front footstrap on- it's a real game changer!! I haven't put a rear one on yet because I'm worried about being stuck in it and trying to kick into it would be a challenge. Also, I find the river wave to be a huge challenge because of the water dynamics.

Hope this helps!!


Foil SUP / Re: Session and a show
« on: March 09, 2019, 08:04:28 AM »
Great fun foiling today. It was one of those mornings when it's easy to look at the wind and the chop and go get breakfast, but I went, and had a blast. The wind wasn't as bad and the waves were better than they looked. 

Your post motivated me to get out there.  It was blowing 15 to 20 NW so the Jetty in Half Moon Bay was the option.  I haven't surfed there much in the last 10 years.  BUT it's been acting like a little foil park.  Feathering on the outside and backing off.

Unlike your situation it was 50 degrees and blowing aka COLD!!!!  However the wave was working and I was flying on almost nothing.  Pretty cool in the grand scheme of things. 

Impressive Beasho!!

Foil SUP / Re: River Foil Surf
« on: February 18, 2019, 07:41:30 AM »
Ripping it Sam! You've got your niche surfing spot my friend. You don't have to worry about line-up hassles from prone river surfers. You go head first into that freezing 33.1 degree water and you'll get worst brain freeze of your life. I think I'd stay with a shorter mast. Doing a high dive nose plunge into rocks makes it double scary. Hats off to you...

Haha! The line up was small today! :) 25 degree air helps... and the short 10" mast puts the wings in the right spot for lift. It's really interesting that foil surfing the river that often the foil us pointed up out of hole/dip (you can see that dynamic on the close up). The short board and shape help with this and the 36" wing.

The first part of the clip I'm using the paddle to help my front foot get in place in the strap (for BEASHO  ;D). Although specifically designed for river foiling, the board and foil assembly (with a 25" mast) were awesome on the ocean!!

Foil SUP / Re: River Foil Surf
« on: February 17, 2019, 07:35:52 PM »
EPIC day on to foil on the river!!

Foil SUP / Re: River Foil Surf
« on: January 05, 2019, 01:28:01 PM »
Beasho- todays foil illistrates the importance of a front foot strap on the river!! Its amazing to fly in he river!! The journey continues!!

Foil SUP / Re: River Foil Surf
« on: January 05, 2019, 08:24:59 AM »
I continue to learn more as the journey continues. . . . put on a front foot strap which is essential on the river. While the mast is only 10" on this set-up (to get into the wave) it was still flying and with the shape of the board, it wasn't getting sucked down into the pile. It's a little like surfing the whitewash of an ocean wave (my only reference is SanO) but 100's harder (haha).

Watching the video it looks like you are constantly rocking and rolling on the foil. 

I have been Professing the Benefits of Footstraps for 6+ months now.  What you are showing is how critical the footstrap is to control, at a minimum, in the whitewater. 

Can you comment on how much more important the strap is to NOT having a strap?

I liken your video / experience to taking off in a critically steep whitewater wave situation.  The front STRAP makes a huge difference in these environments among others like turning and control at speed.

The front strap is critical in the river for several reasons:
1) the take off. Standing on a rock and pushing into a wave, the strap put your foot exactly where it needs to be. It also holds the board like a hand (if you watch the video, my toes are barely in the strap to keep the board and wings away from the rocks below)
2) The ferry is a challenge because crossing the seam (where the water flow changes from going upstream to down stream) tips and rocks the board. The foot strap holds my foot to keep the board from ripping.
3) Once in the wave, the side to side rocking and forward and back in turbulent water, I use the upper ward part of my foot to stabilize the board

I would consider a rear strap as well but would be a real challenge in the whitewater. I tested a few times without a strap and figured out where my foot goes and have had way more success with the strap (thats why I read the thread).

Foot straps are the real deal!!

Foil SUP / Re: River Foil Surf
« on: January 02, 2019, 06:52:34 PM »
I bet that tiny board is helping you make the zillion adjustments necessary for the crazy river water. Very impressive.

Yes the board makes a huge difference (shape, length, and size). It was specifically designed for the river but works amazing on the ocean as well.

I think the river water wave is super dynamic that makes the challenge different depending on what break and shape of wave. Flying at 10 on the river felt similar to flying at 2 feet and the main thing is that its super fun!! Mast height and position can now be adjusted based on the break and depth of water!!

Foil SUP / Re: River Foil Surf
« on: January 01, 2019, 06:56:40 PM »
I continue to learn more as the journey continues. Thanks to Beasho for showing me how to properly put on a front foot strap which is essential on the river. While the mast is only 10" on this set-up (to get into the wave) it was still flying and with the shape of the board, it wasn't getting sucked down into the pile. It's a little like surfing the whitewash of an ocean wave (my only reference is SanO) but 100's harder (haha). As the waves and different breaks clean up, it will be fun to see what this will do and in the meantime, have a lot of fun on the wave(s) that are in. :)

Below is the write-up from today:
The King's Carbon River Foil Board is super light (and short ~5'4") with a King's Foil Set up that has a 36" front wing, glide rear wing, and multiple mast lengths depending on river depth (10", 15", 20", and 25"). I flew the 25" on this same set-up in the ocean at SanO last month. The wave was previously 'unfoilable' because of the shallow entry and low water flow (3,030 cfs) along with it being a 'pile' or whitewater wave. This set-up worked awesome and flew (even when part of the board was touching the whitewash)... super fun and excited for the possibility of getting into even more waves!! 1-1-19

Foil SUP / Re: Installing Footstraps on Foil Board
« on: January 01, 2019, 03:15:37 PM »
Following Beashos post, here are the pics of the straps. I went 2.5 inches off center and its workong great!! The river is tough in gear and the straps are holding after two heavy sessions. One of the mounts pulled off a different board because of paint so I took the adhesive off and put 30 lb double sided Gorilla tape.

Foil SUP / Re: Installing Footstraps on Foil Board
« on: December 29, 2018, 05:08:29 PM »

The debate may continue over footstraps but I am convinced that all the best guys are riding with Straps on SUPs.  More on the advantages later.

My trusty 6 6 Blue Planet Easy Foiler was laid up with repairs so I decided to do a hybrid installation of footstraps on my 7 4 x 32 x 125 Liter L41.  This was my backup board but has since become a favorite.

I used NSI Stick-on footstrap mounts.  I had heard that these did not necessarily last on boards so I fortified the attachment with 2 layers of 4 x 4 of 6 oz cloth and epoxy.  I decided on the NSI strap mounts because they would be less invasive than installing footstrap track inserts.  Aka no need to pierce the outer structure of the board.

1)   Identify where the BACK foot would be placed.  I have been liking my back foot as far back as possible but NOT behind the trailing edge of the mast.  Essentially the center of my back foot OVER the trailing edge of the mast

2)   Stance Width:  27.5 Center to Center.  This stance is SLIGHTLY tighter than I originally started out with.  I was running 28.5 but as I got better moved this back 1.

3)   Cut off Deck pads using new razor blade to peel away pads

4)   Cleaned up the deck with razor blade, GooGone and a chisel.

5)   Mapped out the placement of the footstap base plates.  Front strap over center line, center of strap placed 2 respectively OFF the center line.  8 spread between front and back strap.

6)   Rear plates with square edge on centerline e.g. center of plate ~ 1.5 offset towards the toe side of board.  8 between center of plates.

7)   Cut out 4 x 4 squares of 6 oz cloth

8)   Cut out holes in the 4 x 4 cloth for the elevated screw inserts

9)   Filled the screw holes with silly putty

10)   Cleaned up the deck of the board and SANDED to roughen up surface

11)   Used 3M sticky pads to adhere plates to deck

12)   Laminated over each plate with Epoxy and 4 x 4 glass


Thank you for this write up! I put a pair of stick on footstraps following the dimensions and directions (I didn't glass them, stuck them straight on after the prep work). I'm letting it sit and then will give it go!!


Foil SUP / Re: New Board!!
« on: December 09, 2018, 07:25:31 PM »
Good seeing you out there!! The board is awesome as well as the foil set up. Dave made me a 36 inch front wing to surf the river waves (the normal wings are 32 inches) and the board is designed for the river waves as well at 52 and 110 L. Its super light with big powerful wings which works great in the ocean!!

Foil SUP / Re: New Board!!
« on: December 08, 2018, 06:37:08 PM »
Surfing out front with Dave before we moved south to the bigger waves!!

Foil SUP / Re: New Board!!
« on: December 08, 2018, 04:50:58 PM »

Foil SUP / Re: Has anyone gone too short with their board?
« on: December 08, 2018, 02:57:00 PM »
I just went 52 and love it!! Its also carbon and light so once in the wave its like its not there!

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