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Never mind that one, what about this one?

http://www.savageriver.com/sups/needle

Oh my Lord.

Oh my Lord is right. But it also shows that there is no real market for these type of tippy crafts.
Even if they come at 30" wide and price is not outrageous and build quality is great.

If you don't believe it, ask photofr who's now pretty much giving his board away at 1900 euros.

I see Jacko's boards moving before Nelo's, if price is right that is. Judging by the footage I see coming
out of Australia it seems that everyone there is behind that design and the Australians I met in Maui,
are all dugout here, dugout there so maybe enough demand to make it worth pursuing.

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Maybe the Kardashian's will enter.

That's hilarious TD. Thinking about it, you might be onto something here.

Instead of prize money, have celebrities donate personal items for winners.
using social media, winners can auction-off these items and make out like bandits
compared with what they would otherwise get.

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Congratulations: you have found one SUP manufacturer who will do supposedly build light, and strong low volume boards. The shape has a lot of very well thought out ideas... but:
- Have you ever paddled one?
- Have you ever even seen one?
- How do you know that it's strong?
- OK... it looks super light, but what are we talking about?

People will probably push the envelope as far as getting Hollow, light, low volume, and very strong... it's not impossible, but there's nothing easy about that combination - especially at a practical price range that will not exceed 4000 euros (at least based on today's euro value).

So while we'll both agree that yes, it's do-able:
- it may not be that feasible at a reasonable price
- there's nothing simple about such a construction
- yes, 3D stringers will help... but bing: there goes your cost.

Nothing supposedly here. They've been selling these for years. Hollow light boards are nothing new. Nelo is a Johny come lately to the party.
I know these boards up close. Construction is top notch as one might expect from a renowned manufacturer of (what else) racing canoes.

Carbon/Kevlar/foam core composites at 24LB with an option for a lighter/stiffer construction. Cheaper than Nelo? for sure. Even cheaper than
say a 2019 Infinity Whiplash let alone a StarPrice.

And you guessed it, convex bottom with all that entails as one would expect from a Racing canoe designer. A unlimited at 18'6" and a more relaxed 14'
with a flatter bottom and square tail are also available. Pretty Sweet if that's a design you're after.

What I like about this manufacturer is, I can bring my own design and they will make a mold for it. If I can order 20 units it will be a reasonable price.

http://www.savageriver.com/sups/edge

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General Discussion / Re: Okinawa Intro
« on: March 18, 2019, 10:49:08 AM »
Good Stuff. Better late than never :)

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Wonderfull! What a day 8)

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I would not mind a performance/fast light touring board. A kind of Glide Light or Javelin de-tuned. Pretty much a SIC RS with a tad less volume but without the race moniker to it, so it becomes available on the second hand market :-)
And that is something that could work well with the hollow construction of Nelo. They just have to go wider and make some nicer, cleaner lines. Simple is best.

Pure physics limitations will make it extremely difficult to create a hollow board that's: light, strong - but also LOW VOLUME.

That's a pile of rubbish. They've been selling those for years. Hollow, light, low volume & very strong

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...lots of people would find a rather gunny low-volume 12ft do-everything-but-especially surf board appealing right now...

Unfortunately, it seems Naish will follow pack and introduce a dugout for the next season.

How do you figure that ? My understanding is that are reducing or pulling out of the more niche aspects of the sport. If they aren't willing to even maintain their flatwater board range from an existing blank design, they are not going to create a new board for a market that is as small (if not smaller) surely ?
That's the word I got. I guess it remains to be seen.

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...lots of people would find a rather gunny low-volume 12ft do-everything-but-especially surf board appealing right now...

I'll echo that. It could be a one board quiver for many imo. Unfortunately, it seems Naish will follow pack and introduce a dugout
for the next season.

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That’s a really crappy looking paddle for SUP... And I have to say that at least from that angle, it looks like a real Frankenstein board.

You just like pushing those buttons, don't you? Must be a slow night in the Kingdom ;D
Yep ;)

But tell me I’m wrong :)

Is this going to become the “official ICF-accredited board”? :)

From the ICF SUP Race Director’s handbook 2021 (maybe): “boards must have a maximum weight of 9.5kgs and have a convex hull...”.

Well, I know someone with the same board and the same exact paddle who would find this observation rather offensive ;)

But this thread is moving so fast, there is a real chance he missed that comment or I'll be waking up to a TL;DR

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That’s a really crappy looking paddle for SUP... And I have to say that at least from that angle, it looks like a real Frankenstein board.

You just like pushing those buttons, don't you? Must be a slow night in the Kingdom ;D

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I guess somebody is starting a new life....
No paint, no hair, new board and weird paddle (it looks painful) :-)

You went a little North, it's the Red Sea rather. On the Dead Sea there is zero room for errors,
a fall will be very painful.

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The Vortex is an interesting design with the kinda reverse bow. But I think the underside is still basically a flat planing surface rather than the Nelo’s convex hull? So my point may still stand.

(Presumably that Vortex was a lot wider than the Lightcorp/Nelo?)

And obviously the All Star is a long way from being convex too.

But it may be that Bruno just had a bad race or isn’t a sprinter, I guess. Or was saving himself for the main two races. It looks like the sprints were just a bit of fun?

The Mistral designs are very effective for racing. And the 14x26 Vortex is only 9.7kgs.

Did Amandine win the women’s race by a bigger margin than Bruno won the men’s?

All good points. And the guy who beat him, The Israeli Champ, is no slouch by any means. Did 56min in a 10k open water race.
Details are somewhat scattered though, didn't dig much into it.

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Yes, saw that. I think he's on this thread :)

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Well Bruno won his first race on the board (in Israel). Soft opposition for him but at least he’s come out swinging.

He took both technical and distance on what seems to be a Black Signature 2 14x22 but interestingly lost in the sprints to a local guy on a Mistral
Interesting. So much for weight being the most critical factor in short sprints. But Bruno is a distance guy really, isn’t he?

But I’d far rather be on a planing hull design like the Mistral Equinox than a convex hull design like the Signature 2.0 in a short sprint.

It was a Mistral Vortex rather. Wasn't too clear but second place seems to be a Starboard All Star, it looked like a photo finish with Bruno

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Well Bruno won his first race on the board (in Israel). Soft opposition for him but at least he’s come out swinging.

He took both technical and distance on what seems to be a Black Signature 2 14x22 but interestingly lost in the sprints to a local guy on a Mistral

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