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Classifieds / Sunova Flow 8'7" x 30 1/4 121 Liter
« on: September 06, 2019, 09:28:17 AM »
Sunova Flow 8'7"x 30 1/4 121 liters. Excellent condition. No dings or repairs. Pad has a small tear on edge - see pic. Great board, really helped accelerate my progression, but it has a bit too much volume for me now and I rarely surf it. Comes with stock Sunova 5 fin set up (unused).  $900. PM or call Nine-Seven-Eight-204-4537

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Classifieds / Re: Foote Custom Rocket 8'3"x 28 3/4 x 3 7/8" 105 Liter
« on: August 08, 2019, 06:14:43 AM »
The outline looks to be a bit more parallel - or is it just the angle of the pic? I am surprised they got so much volume into this size/shape with only being 3 7/8" think. Are the rails a bit thicker?

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Gear Talk / Re: genration boards - Sunova Poynter Hughes
« on: July 17, 2019, 09:29:45 AM »
A few more updates on the Genration website, including new SP24 and Falcon. Pic of the Wedge updated that better shows the stepped rails and double winged tail. Kanga shown with deck pad.

Bert himself chimed in on the Wedge over on the breeze: https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/New-sunova-boards?page=1

Would like to hear more on the SPs and Kanga, but questions directed to genration seem to go unanswered. 

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Gear Talk / Re: genration boards - Sunova Poynter Hughes
« on: July 08, 2019, 11:28:59 AM »
Genration website updated with board sizes. Still no outline, rail. rocker, etc. details that would help explain the differences between the models - and with the outline pics of each model looking exactly the same as each other it is hard to reconcile the descriptions. For example - the Kanga is the 'most stable board we offer' yet board size similar to the SP25 is narrower with less volume (i.e. Kanga: 8'2" 28 13/16 106L  vs. SP25: 8'3" 29 7/8 118L).

Also, no detail on the construction/layup differences from the 'traditional' Sunovas - I believe the video of the Sunova dealer meeting mentions 'lighter' due to the high performance focus. If so how does this translate in terms of durability?

Note fins and deck pad is extra $

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SUP General / Re: Advice on Volume for those on low volume boards
« on: April 06, 2018, 09:22:02 AM »
As the owner of the 112 L board Creek was paddling on (Sunova 8'6" Flash), I can attest to how surprised we all were with the result. I certainly expected Creek to have better luck on the wider/fuller outline board despite having just 5 L less volume. The small difference between being just over vs just under neutral buoyancy was huge, and the difference between the boards' outlines seemed to have little impact.

For me, however, it was an entirely different experience. I am no where near neutral buoyancy on these boards. At ~80kg, my 112 L board floats me just fine - but it felt a bit more tippy paddling around vs the wider 107 L board. So for me the difference in board outlines had a significant difference. At least for this flat water paddle. The real test would be in the surf - which unfortunately I can't comment on as I have not been on 107 L board other than this one flat water episode.




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Classifieds / 9'2" Fanatic Allwave - $575
« on: August 17, 2017, 07:19:47 AM »
Selling a Fanatic Allwave 9'2", 31.5"w, 160 liters. HRS construction. Has some paint wear on tip of nose and a small ding repair on deck side near tail pad, but overall board is in solid condition. Deck pad is in good shape. This is a fun board that combines stability with a decent level of performance. Lots of positive reviews on the Allwave can be found here on the zone. $575. Located in Seacoast NH. Pick up only.

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Gear Talk / Re: Suggestion for Sunova, get rid of the LIFTSUP handle.
« on: November 19, 2016, 06:57:06 AM »
I got an in-person view of Badger's new handle this morning. This handle option is a great improvement for those having problems using the Liftsup while wearing thick winter gloves, or don't have time to pop it up trying to escape dangerous shore break. This handle provide the same grip as the Liftsup - just a a bit roomier and easier to use. Although I like the Liftsup and don't have the same issues as some on this thread have expressed, I would likely opt for Badger's option if given the choice.

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SUP General / Re: Awesome SUP surfing vid from OZ
« on: September 27, 2016, 01:20:53 PM »
Slugga has a video over on seabreeze riding the 8'7 Flow. The mouth cam perspective doesn't do justice to his sharp cutbacks and lip smacking.  Not sure if this link will get you there: http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Sunova-flow-surfing-vid/ The thread is called Sunova flow surfing vid. posted May 8th.

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Thanks all for the kind words. I wanted to get a few more sessions on the Flow before circling back – but lack of decent surf has kept the Flow on the shelf. I have turned to the Skate to get the most out of a couple of knee high mush sessions over the last 2 plus weeks. I did get to try the Flow in quad set up right after writing the review (first sessions were thruster with 3D 7.0s). I must admit I did not like quad. Perhaps the stock Sunova fins were too big (105 front, 94 rear) or it was just user error, but it felt super stiff...and I missed more waves and fell more paddling into waves (again, user error?).  I don’t have enough experience on different fin set ups to know what works best – but I was expecting the quad set up to be  looser and it was just the opposite (conditions were similar size as previous sessions on thruster). I need more TOW in different set ups in different conditions. 

Zooport – maybe my ‘bad’ experience with quads will help save your marriage. Silver linings.  ;)

Timi – please do post your review on the Soul. I was very interested in the Soul early on in my search but was able to piece together enough feedback from various postings on the Flow to push me in that direction. Sharing your experience on the Soul may be the ‘piece’ someone is looking for to help them with their decision.   

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SUP General / Re: Is Cape Cod the Hotspot for Great White Sharks?
« on: July 07, 2016, 12:24:32 PM »
Creek - was that at the main peak out front...North or South? First pic looks like the peak to the North that I was sharing with RonC a couple weeks ago. He would mostly go left and I would mostly go right. I'll have to make sure we keep it that way the next time!  ;)

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Supthecreek encouraged me to post my impressions on my 8’7 Sunova Flow (and Sunova 8’8” XL Skate), claiming a newbie’s perspective would be helpful and relevant to others just starting out. So here goes. I apologize if the terminology I use is a bit off – I’m still learning. 

Background on my experience and board migration leading up to the Flow: Less than 2 years SUS, no prior prone experience. Currently 49 y/o, 170-175lbs. Surf mostly NH and Cape Cod. First board was a used Starboard Whopper - took me a couple days kooking around to catch my first wave, a pumping double overankle. I was hooked. Moved on to a used 9’2 Fanatic Allwave which allowed me to start working the wave face.

When I was ready for the next step, JimK of extremewidnsurfing.com provided some great advice and I ordered the 8’8” XL Skate through him last year (This is the same Skate that Creek reviewed recently - posted in Gear Talk).

From day one the Skate was super stable - to me even more so than the larger Allwave. Whereas the Allwave felt corky, the Skate feels grounded. The Skate provided a jump in performance over the Allwave - thinner more refined rails, thinned out nose and tail (albeit wide) delivered improved carving and it holds the face better with more speed when the waves wall up a bit.

The Skate remains a blast to ride but I wanted a board that would be quicker rail to rail in good waves and also better suited to handle steeper, larger waves with power. I knew I was going to get another Sunova, but so many choices – Speeed, Soul, Flow, Acid, etc. So I read countless Zone reviews, spoke to Creek and others who ride different Sunovas, had the pleasure of meeting Tino during his Spring East Coast tour and demoed fellow Zoner Badger’s 8’10 Flow (the lower volume 120L model – not the current 131L model).

I kept coming back to the Flow. I spoke to JimK to confirm that it would be the correct option for the style of surfing I am aspiring toward and I placed an order for the 8’7” - once again great advice, pricing and service from JimK. The board was packed super well – it arrived in perfect condition. Even came with 5 fins to cover all options. Kudos to the people at the factory who packaged it up.

Sorry no pics to compare against the Skate. Virtually same length but laying it on top of the Skate underscores how different the shapes are. Much curvier outline with pulled in nose and narrower tail (although still wide compared to a Speeed or Acid). More pronounced rocker. Tail and nose are even thinner than the Skate’s, concentrating its 120.5L volume a bit more toward the middle compared to the Skate’s 133.2L volume. 

First session – small with side chop. Normally I wouldn’t even go out but was anxious to test the new board. As expected the Flow did not have that initial 'glued to water' feeling that I had the first time I stood on the Skate. It was twitchy and I fell quite a bit, but before the session ended I was finding it fairly easy to brace and right it. Although not in the same league as the Skate, I was pleasantly surprised with the stability paddling out through the whitewater. Yaw was very pronounced compared to the Skate. Waves were soft and flat and the Flow felt very slow trimming down the line - not the best conditions for this board, so I was not discouraged. I was mostly interested in testing the balance anyway. 

The next session was...magic! Steady diet of clean waist/stomach high with some bigger sets rolling in. The pronounced yaw was now an advantage in the surf – pivot turns into the waves are super easy compared to the Skate. Turning from the middle is a breeze - just like I read about. Almost turns through osmosis - twist your torso and tweak your weighting is all you need. Plant the back foot further back toward the kick pad and rail to rail cutbacks are amazing. It took me a while to be able to turn the Skate sharply - but I need to move the back foot from rail to rail on that wide tail. The Flow is effortless and with more snap - unless the waves are small and mushy with no power…then the Skate shines.

I have had a couple more sessions on the Flow now in decent conditions. Despite the curvier outline and more pronounced rocker, the Flow feels faster for the initial few strokes into the wave and my wave count has been surprisingly high. On the wave the Flow really instills confidence. It likes to be worked rail to rail and It seems to reward more aggressive surfing (by my standards). I look forward for some bigger days with real juice.

The Skate got me hooked on the Sunova brand – durable, lightweight and so damn fun. In my opinion the construction is truly unique and really does provide a smooth ride where other boards I have tried can feel harsh and bouncy. And they are beautiful boards – if I had a nickel for every time someone stopped me coming out of the water to ask me about the Skate and comment on how great it looks, they would have funded the purchase of the Flow!

The Zone has been a great resource. It has accelerated my learning curve, led me to great board choices and introduced me to some fantastic people.

MDG

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