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Perhaps they should spend some more time updating their website instead of filing bullshit patents.

Foil SUP / Re: Mast position and balance
« on: February 25, 2020, 09:33:50 AM »
Iím interested in this idea. But there are clearly exceptions.

This Maui guy at 1:30 in this video ruins our discussion.

The guy at 1:30 wasn't pumping back out, he was pumping w/ the swell energy to stay ahead of it which is much easier to do on any size board. It's pumping back out against the swell that's the real challenge that so many on the larger SUP boards struggle with.

Foil SUP / Re: Mast position and balance
« on: February 24, 2020, 09:35:27 AM »
I have been trying to learn to pump the foil with not much success. I am completely aware that itís most likely my lack of conditioning and ability that is the problem. ;D However, I started wondering why you donít see very many on a SUP that can. Those that do are on very short boards so more likely to be CG balanced. So anyway, I do believe a setup with a CG that is not ideal, is going to be much harder to pump.

What I learned yesterday after suffering for an hour and a half was that it seems to foil better with the mast way forward. Given it was a small day so no issues with being able to keep the foil down and I did have to move my foot position. Foil seemed more responsive/neutral, maybe a little easier to pump.  In any case, no bad side effects once on a wave.
Ah, the age old try for the Brass Ring of foiling...being able to pump out and connect another wave.  :)

Yeah, "been there, done that" myself, and all I can say is that your wing/board choice is super critical wrt that. I went from the Iwa, and M200 attempts with both the Maliko and Kai tails with little to no success (the Iwa/Kai got me the closest) the GL180 and 18N setup, and I'm just figuring out the turn into wave #2 away connecting, and that's with only a couple of sessions under my belt on the new set up.

The foilers pumping out at our locale are either young guys on prone mini potato chip sized boards, or "older" guys (50's+) on smaller boards with high aspect wings...or world class athletes like Chuck Patterson, Thomas "Maximus", or Zane when he was here a year or so ago.

So my question is now how do you design a board that is easy to stand on and paddle with the mast more forward?  Even if you have to always be moving, with a little more stability, it would be fine for me. With the mast 1/2Ē forward, slow forward speed doesnít help much. Even paddling fast was still quite wobbly for me.  Maybe a skeg behind the mast?
You mean like this?

Yeah, thought it was the best thing since sliced bread the first couple of times out with it, but then after I forgot to put it on one time, and didn't realize it for a couple sessions until I went to show someone else how cool it was...did I realize the it made no difference one way of the other...besides maybe being a mental thing, that since I had it on it must be easier to paddle straight. Dunno, other than I didn't/don't need it.

For my board, maybe a little thicker in the nose would add some buoyancy without much swing weight increase?  Maybe itís not just the mast but also the entire foil that needs to be considered. One of my theories is that if the foil is more forward of some point (maybe the combined mass of board and rider?) then itís effects from wind/current have more leverage to knock you off the board. Hard to explain what Iím thinking. ;D
The other thing that seems to help me paddle straighter, is that I have concaves that run the entire length of my board that I feel help channel the water under my board compared to my first board design that was completely flat on the bottom (like the Kalama boards).... well as gets air under them faster which helps with initial lift as it breaks the water tension quicker (in theory anyway :) ).

Foil SUP / Re: Mast position and balance
« on: February 24, 2020, 08:54:53 AM »
Agree with much/most of what DW states, but I've also found that individuals' weight to board size ration has a lot to do with it as well...the paddling part that is.

Over the past 5-6 months, I've gone from 207lbs to 185lbs, and notice that I have a much larger area of board that I'm able to stand and paddle from than when I was previously carrying the extra 22lbs on the board.

Previously I had to stand much further forward on the board in order to balance/paddle it than I need to now (mast placement made little difference, but I already knew where my mast worked, and where it didn't on the board. My assumption is that I needed the extra volume of foam in the nose to be in the water to float me, comparatively to what I need now, and can therefore stand rearward more, with more nose out of the water not aiding in floatation.

That's a great setup you have there, and we're paddling the same size boards (mine's a King's) at the same weight, so when you move your mast/foil forward, you may just have to move your standing/paddling position a little forward as well of maintain your balance...just as you would if you were moving the center pivot point on you neighborhood teeter-totter forward or backwards.

Just my couple of theories/guesses.  :)

Foil SUP / Re: GoFoil GL140
« on: February 24, 2020, 08:30:24 AM »
Its interesting how there are 2 different points of view on foot placement. I bet it all has to do with the level of wave power.
What size mast are you on Beasho ?
I think more has to do with their different board sizes than there being any real difference in the foot placement.

Derek is on a board at least a two feet shorter (4'7" from what I've been told) than from what I remember Beasho saying he rode, and therefore what looks like Derek being further back on his simply that his mast is at the very back of his board much like the prone guys' boards to give the appearance that the front foot is much further back. My bet is that their rear foot placement over the mast and their front foot/strap placement width wise is going to be relatively the same...comparatively to their different leg/stance lengths.

Btw, when I said I moved my mast forward 2", my foot/strap placement never changed. And yes, I agree with Beasho, the GLs don't breech as easily as the others, or at least they'll let you know before they do. However....

I also agree with JEG that...
The GL210 does need a bit of juice and I find 1-1.5ft waves sux with no lift what so ever and this were you need the IWA, M200 and M280 according to your weight. These high aspect wings can be tricky to ride on smallest waves if you don't have the experience. The low aspect wings are great when you need more lift but get ready at high speed were it buck you out quicker than you can think. The high aspect wings are great at high speed once you get use to blur speed  8)
...and that they're not the best wings to learn on. Kind of like learning to don't jump in the Ferrari and mash the accelerator pedal right away. You start in something a little bit more forgiving, and only climb in the Ferrari once you've learned to accelerate, control, and keep your first vehicle safe through the turns.  :)

Awesome video DailyBread!!! Almost makes it look fun enough, that for a moment there, the idea of buying another wing - and actually inflating it and trying it this time - momentarily crossed my mind. But then there's those dang windy conditions again in the clip that brought me right back to reality. Once someone figures out how to use them on calm days...I'll be all one on in a  :D  Good stuff though, looks like you guys are all having a blast!! Very cool. 8)

Foil SUP / Re: Bump Cap - less kooky foil head protection
« on: February 23, 2020, 09:02:20 AM »
It will not, most likely. As I said, Iíll fix a lanyard for when Iím foiling. (I do think itíll be great for learning to dock start however.

But 100% Iím wearing one of these working in the garage or on my car from now on.
Yes, I think you've got something there for dock starts or in the garage, but for protection foiling in the, not so much.

Unfortunately, the foil accident stitches I've seen in our locale are on the face, and not the head...and the only time I had a foil come at me, was when I went over the handlebars, ejecting my standard ball cap as I hit the water, and then caught the front wing with my hand I had put up in front of my face on the way up to the surface. Now notably, the foil was coming at me so slowly when it hit my hand that I doubt is would have been more than just a slight bonk on the forehead coconut, but no real damage would have been done.

My point being, the sudden impact injuries where the real damage seems to be happening, are the quick, unexpected falls into the rails of the board face first, or even worse...the "taco" event of going over the side of the board as the sharp wings of the foil are coming up out of the water after you. In either event, I don't think a helmet on the head is going to be of much protection, but that's just my experience and opinion....other's mileage may vary. 

Good luck, and be safe regardless of whatever head (and body...lot more ribs getting injured I'm seeing) protection direction you end up taking.

Foil SUP / Re: GoFoil GL140
« on: February 23, 2020, 08:42:59 AM »
Im struggling with my GL 210 wing & put it aside till i could find more powerful surf. Do you guys recommend the tall or short mast for the GL wings??
I really like the Go Foil 29" mast in an adapter for an approximate 32" overall length. Now as far a needing "more powerful surf" for the GL210...I'm riding the GL180 in sadly, 2-3' mush at the moment, but having a blast with it.

What I did find, was that I had to move the mast up forwards almost 2" from where I had it with the Iwa, and it's working great...lifting easy on takeoffs, and as controllable and manageable once in flight very much like the Iwa, just a somewhat different in feel that takes a bit of getting used to...which brings me to....

The only slight negative is that the 180 doesn't seem to want to turn as easily as the Iwa. But that too seems to be as much "the archer and not the arrow" right now; as the more time on the water I get with it the more I'm learning just how far I can push it, and that it just responds a little differently than the Iwa coming out of turns that I have to get used to...not so much that it doesn't want to Derek Hamasaki is a thank you :) ).

Classifieds / Re: Go Foil Wings
« on: February 20, 2020, 07:57:18 PM »
PM sent.

Foil SUP / When Foiling Goes Wrong
« on: February 15, 2020, 09:57:00 AM »
So I thought this might be a fun little topic. A place for stories, and/or pics of when foiling might have taken a little bite out of ya.

I'll lead off with a pic of the results of not paying attention while entering the water with your foil machine....

...courtesy of the rear wing catching your leg when a wave brings the inverted floating board and foil crashing down onto you as you try to stop them from hurtling into the sand.

Let me count the number of dumb moves getting into this so preventable situation...(uh three?)  ::) :(

Foil SUP / Re: Foil Videos
« on: February 15, 2020, 08:51:08 AM »
I want to be this Guy When I grow up.  Matahi Drollet
I want to be like a lot of those guys...but I'm not holding my breath that "60 is the new 20" by any stretch of the imagination. Lol... ;D

More evidence that the GL 140 works.
You make it sound as though anyone would have any doubts about that. Heck, the Kai works great for certain conditions, but it's not (or wasn't) my regular "go to" wing 90% of the time. That's why I bought the 140 figuring it will replace the Kai, and have an even wider range of waves to use it in.

IOWs, I used to have a quiver of surfboards, then a quiver of SUS boards, and now I have a quiver of foil wings (and load only one foil board)...which are so much easier to store and carry around in the van to the beach, than a bunch of boards for the conditions upon arrival.  :)

Foil SUP / Re: GoFoil GL140
« on: February 15, 2020, 08:29:36 AM »
Drool!  Well the question is whether the wife could tell the two apart if they weren't side by side... ;)  Does Go Foil use a US distributor?  I always figured they had a two-tier system...
I don't know the specifics, but my first Go Foil set I got directly through talking to Karla, and shipped directly to me from the factory in China. When the GLs came out however long ago, a buddy called Karla again to order a pair of them a couple weeks before leaving for HI, and she directed him to call some guy in CO.

After a couple calls with no response from him, and since he was concerned the shipping window was slipping away, he decided to just go to HI w/o them, and see if he could find some there...which he did at HI-Tech I believe he said was the name of the shop.

When I went looking for the 180, a buddy I foil with owns Kikau Kai Waterman in Hermosa Beach who's a GF dealer, but he has to order through whomever in CO also, and where the communication breakdown happened, and how I ended up with the 140...instead of my other buddy getting his 18W/pedestal. Not complaining though...a bummer for my bud (who's getting his 18W shipped directly to his house), but a "SCORE!" for me. :P

Btw, the wife could tell them apart (note: don't leave new wings sitting next to each other), but I told her the newer one was her valentines day gift to me, and how much I loved her for it....she's a softy romantic, and was thrilled I was so happy with it (thank goodness for holidays and lucky timing ;D).

Foil SUP / Re: Quick release dual track and pedestal
« on: February 15, 2020, 08:08:22 AM »
Got it now...certainly an interesting concept. Like his inventor's spirit when it comes to trying to improve on the foiling game...some cool ideas.

Classifieds / Go Foil Wings
« on: February 14, 2020, 04:50:35 PM »
Throwing it out there to see if there's any interest in a couple sets of Go Foil wings (no mast).

1. Iwa, Maliko 200, and the Maliko rear wing.

2. Kai front and rear wing.

All are in good condition, and I'd be real negotiable on the price. With the GL180 and 140, I don't see myself riding any of these wings again, and would like for them to not just collect dust on a shelf in my garage.

They're still excellent wings for someone starting out (IMO)...with the exception of the Kai, which is quite fun if you have big enough surf, or for some smaller prone person.

Just testing the waters, shoot me some ideas if interested...they're in SoCal as far as a question wrt shipping cost goes (which for the price I'm willing to let them go for, I'm not paying).  :)

Foil SUP / Re: Quick release dual track and pedestal
« on: February 13, 2020, 11:05:09 PM »
I must be missing something...what prevents them from sliding forward and/or backwards in the track during use?  ???

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