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Random / Re: A water person's movie: My Octopus Teacher
« on: Today at 01:14:59 AM »
Clearly there was sexual content that the movie didn't show--or at least Admin is certain of that.

Possibly it is because anthropomorphism is just inherently sexy but I saw what I saw on day 273.  That kind of tenderness, the unspoken lure of 2000 tentacles, the convenient privacy of the nearby kelp forest.  It happened.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Liquid force wing??
« on: September 24, 2020, 09:59:13 AM »
There was a guy testing a 6 meter at the beach last week.  He said that there are a couple of proto 4's around as well.  Looked like a nice stable wing.

Athey pointedly did not mention weight or construction in that blurb.

Jim, I think it will be more clear if you analyze the numbers.  They saved the weight by completely eliminating the 7.  7 is a heavy number and in my opinion it is overused in many (if not most) current boards.  Way too much 7.  It is simply too early to reveal the specifics of the 8.  The 8 is where magic lives. 

This outline, not too much bevel or tail kick, 11 or 12 lbs at 5'6 and they can have my $1666.00

Things are heating up in the wingboard world.  Here is a new entry from Cabrinha.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Slingshot Wingcraft 2021
« on: September 23, 2020, 06:25:17 AM »
Stoked to see this new wing specific line from Slingshot. 

Five pack of inserts with Y and single strap positions.  Nice looking outline and a mention of flat rocker.  Nice range of sizes.   I hope they kept the rail bevel and tail kick to a minimum.  I imagine the same awesome construction as the Outwits.  If so, we will have a light and extremely durable option.

In another life I worked in the restaurant industry.  Every line position, waiter, host, manager, busser, disher.  There is no way to keep a restaurant pandemeic safe, not even in the most careful, well intentioned environment.  Aside from the enclosed air threat (which is real) every position has way too many hands and exposures to make that possible. 


I am glad that we were not that critical of ourselves :).  You are doing great.  It takes a while.  I would suggest that you get the harness out of the way for now.  There is already a lot going on and it will only add to that complexity.  You really want to feel where the wing is pulling from to get the handling down.  The harness will get in the way of that.  There is plenty of time to add that back in when you are working on pointing and longer reaches.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: New F One Swing?
« on: September 20, 2020, 07:10:30 AM »
They have done a really good job of hiding it if they are updating .  Is this it?  Longer handles allowing easier hand passes and correcting placement is half of what they need to do. 

Foil SUP / Re: E foil
« on: September 19, 2020, 08:54:17 AM »
Check the YouTube videos from Bali. This thing will get you over the hump. For me itd make a sub-5 prone paddle in possible, if I could live down the ribbing.

I have no pride left. 

Boost from a YouTube response, "We tested it in the pool with a 150lb guy paddling at the same time on a 9' surfboard - top speed was 11 mph"

You could easily attach one of those stick on foil mounts to the board right under the front wing with two of these linked Boost units in there.  It would be an easy way to test.  We have some little boards that are pretty solid there.  Might have to try this.

This young fella clearly has a more than we would need so it is certainly possible to get a nice small setup for what we are thinking.  It would be cool to ease yourself to the surface and then give it a good pop timed with your swell.

skip to 2:48

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Spooky Session
« on: September 19, 2020, 03:44:42 AM »
How about that temperature drop?  I was pretty oblivious to the darkening sky with all of the smoke but it got cold fast.  That also didn't register immediately but that first clap sure did surprise me. 

Sunset last night was clear and beautiful Oregon again after a surprisingly good afternoon soak (maybe 1/2 inch of rain?).  So nice to have clean air back. 

Man, did it feel good to be back in the water!  It was great riding  just the 4 of us and I thought the condition was surprisingly good.  Chan and I had rigged 4.2 and 3.5 but it picked up and I grabbed the 3.5 and she pumped a 2.8.  Sweet.  Really fun direction to the far side swell.  Something oddly cool about winging around in the clearing, warm, smoky air with that amber glow. 

That will be a standout session in the memory of a standout summer.

Foil SUP / Re: E foil
« on: September 18, 2020, 02:59:42 AM »
Thanks guys,

Is this the one?

That looks great.  They have lots of adapters and super light 1.7 lbs.  You could use a couple if needed.  Is it powerful enough to catch swell without hand paddling?  That looks questionable in the videos but it would be nice.  It would be cool to pulse while already in a squat or on your knees to avoid a full pop up.

The big question is the power and the speed, is it enought ?

Developers said 2 units would sync up with controller and operate simultaneously.

To me the real beauty would be if you could get enough grunt to get you foiling on a small sinker board rather than a tow, bungee or winch.  Start submerged squatting in the straps and hit the button as your swell approaches.  It seems like having the torpedo as close to the board as possible and positioned above the front foil would be the best balanced and least obtrusive.  I could see this being great fun for spot surfing on Gorge swell.

Great video.  They clearly put a lot of thought into that wing.  True V2.  Cool that the strut(s) inflate to 11.  That looks much stiffer and nicer than I had imagined.  Handles look pretty good as well but how they went so far and still left them partially floppy is beyond me. 

Toe-Side is ridiculous.  Utterly insane.  I could see 'maybe' going toeside with the sail fully luffed when riding a wave.  Otherwise in flat water TOTALLY INEFFICIENT.

You will end up finding toeside super efficient, even in very light wind.  These foils are ridiculous in what points of sail they will allow compared to windsurfing for instance.  Even if you were riding toeside on both reaches you could stay much higher than you needed to for any wave spot.  For sub foiling conditions, up and down or touring you definitely want to know how to ride heelside as well. 

There are really no videos on this and I get that admin is likely right, that its so conditional. But it seems like we should start to define and discuss the most common ones so beginners have a path. I use what Ive read here on the water all the time and try things out.

What do you guys think?

Hi Cowboy,

Shut me up if you already know this stuff but some of the beginner kiting stuff may help with wing position.  It is really the same for the wing minus the lines.  You are exposing the wing to the full force of the wind when it is locked and low.  As the wing changes position in that wind window you are spilling air to various degrees and lessen that power. 

When you are lightly powered it can be really helpful to lower the wing.  That is fast and efficient but it is also easier to catch wingtips there and you are the most exposed to gusts. You also have to be able to translate that power into forward speed or it will fling you.  Overhead and you are spilling most of your air.  That is pretty much for gusts, when you have become majorly overpowered, going downwind, etc.  As you can see in the image below, the wind window is fully 3 dimensional.  Where you have the wing positioned relative to your body and board is largely going to determine your point of sail.  You are also making subtle adjustments by sheeting in and out which allow those positions. 

On the Swings I use the front and back strut handles only.  I really hope that they extend those a little in V2.  An extra few inches of handle length would go a long way towards perfecting those wings.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Armstrong HS 1850
« on: September 16, 2020, 02:36:24 AM »
Armstrong Mini Boom.

because clearly a carbon control bar is best mounted to two wiggly nylon straps.  This is getting frustrating...

Who is going to sack up and lose the dinky handles?

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