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With these questions about stiffness, I thought, "say, we can do some testing".

Yes, my test setup does include "B Is For Bedtime" and more appropriately, "Stupidity Should Be Painful".

First I did a few pushups on the mast.  Nothing.  Then I stood on it.  I felt zero flex.  Nothing.  I asked Chan to stand on it.  This thing is extremely stiff.  Way stiffer that our other carbon masts were. 


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ďCannot answer without your weight, wing ding sizes, wind speeds. Live at the Gorge, itís fine. Bigger is easier when learning. Frustration tolerance are all factors.Ē

Iím running at just under 170 lbs, buying a 5m Swing for my Lake Ontario to start. My local beach can be sub 10 to 20 mph n then some. Trying to keep the sup foil board fairly small to do away with dead weight once flying. My current small surf sup is 7í10Ē @ 84 litres.
Ok with the frustration factor of going smaller. The naish website had the xl for rider weighing up to 210 lbs but I now see from their 2020 foil lineup that my 19 xl is coming in middle of the pack size wise in their roster.
When I tried it it was on a 120 litre board with a 4.2m sling wing.

Hi supmmm,

I am your weight and I can tell you for sure that the 5 meter Swing is an amazing choice.  With the right foil kit you can foil in sub 10 MPH.  If you want to get foiling in the lightest side of the range mentioned, you will want a whopper foil.  For me that is the Axis 1020.  I would miss a lot of days without it. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: F-One Swing
« on: January 26, 2020, 10:13:15 AM »
Morning - hope you donít mind me jumping in here - putting some gear together after trying winging last month. I bought a 2019 naish thrust surf xl foil which is coming in at 1572cms - will that be enough to get me sup foiling? Iíve read some on the forum of 2000 cms foils being used.

Your weight is going to matter a lot.  Are you already foiling from another sport?  That is really the big deal.  If so, you already know the feel of taking off, have some pumping and turning skills, and can likely make a smaller foil work.  If not, you are really learning what it takes and feels like to foil.  That is a process and it is a gear reliant process.  It is a fun process though :).  Let us know your weight. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: F-One Swing
« on: January 26, 2020, 02:05:17 AM »
Hey Admin, I have a 6í11Ē Jimmy Lewis Flying V and a Neil Pryde Glide Surf large foil .  To be honest I am not sure where I have been putting my feet in reference to where the foil is as most of the time I am watching the wing and looking out for the random fishing boat or rogue swell.  I will try and get a reference next time. When I learned behind the jet ski I was riding a JL Flying V and Go Foil (not sure what model).  It. Seemed effortless to get up and ride the foil.
 Itís such a difficult set up here from the rigging on a rocky beach to riding and a little intimidating especially when trade winds and swells are running.  I am sure I will improve in Florida when I get back and then feel a lot more comfortable here. 
I appreciate the advice.

Hi Carib,

We are just a half step ahead of you in the beginner foiler process so this is all fresh in my mind.  On my current big board there is one relatively small foot position where the board trims and cruises best when on the surface.  I would definitely make note of that foot position on your board.  Maybe even mark your feet.  To start with you might want to position the front wing centered between your feet. 

I don't remember your weight.  I think that your wing is is 860 Wingspan at 1610 area.  That is smaller than we had initial success on.  Those measurements are not the end all but they are an indicator.  We tried for quite a while on wings of that size (and even larger) with no love.  When we went to larger wings everything clicked.  Once we got the basic feel of what was needed to take off, then the smaller wings became possible. 

Your launch and condition sounds tricky.  I wish we were there to flop around with you.  It has been a couple of months and we are gathering rust...




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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 25, 2020, 08:25:00 AM »
1010 front and 460 rear showed up yesterday.  Here are some comparison shots. 

The first couple are self explanatory.  The shots with 4 wings are 900, 1000, 1010, 1020 front to back.  The last shot is the 1000 with the 1010.  The 1010 and 460 flat almost flat on the ground. 

I had prepared myself for the 1010 to be paper thin.  It is not.  The 460 tail is super thin.  Gotta say, together they look badass....and very fast.

We still have to wait 2 weeks to get anything wet.  Arggghh!

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: I can fly now
« on: January 25, 2020, 08:19:01 AM »
Well how cool is that!  Stoked for you Ninja!

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: F-One Swing
« on: January 25, 2020, 06:47:22 AM »
Hi Carib,

It sounds like you are doing great.  What foil setup and board size are you on?  We struggled a lot with positioning the foil as well.  Because you have no reference to draw on it takes a while.  It did for us.  There are big differences in where the tracks are on different boards and also where the front wing will be positioned is different on different foil setups so blanket sliding the mount forward or back is possibly too general.  Wing size is going to matter as well.  If you are not feeling any (or enough) lift you may want to adjust the wing forward or your stance back and if it is hard keeping it down, foil back or stance forward may be better.  Can you check how your front wing is aligned under your stance?  For instance, is it centered between your feet or way forward or back? 

You are right that flatter water will help a lot.  Mellow conditions make it much easier.  Although, I know you are not going to wait for those days :).

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: WINGS with Bar
« on: January 23, 2020, 02:15:33 PM »
Hi , 

Here is a different point of view why a bar opposed to a strut.  No question that the Foen or many other wings functions well and suits the purpose. But could the wing function be batter is it would not flex?

Hi DownSouth,

Current wings with handles have inches of wiggle/play on each handle.  Mount a rigid (carbon or similar) handle to a well inflated strut as I have described above and it will be an incredibly positive connection.  Much more so than a boom which is secured by rope or similar tied to the clew (sloppy) and braced on the other side against an inflatable leading edge.  This is not like windsufing where we are clamping the boom on to a carbon mast.  In reality we do not need much.  The Swings work super well even with sloppy handles.  It would be nice, however, to have a little more room on the front handle for hand passes and to have more rigid handles.  No way that I would go for a full boom to get those things, though.  Shoot, many of us in this thread have already owned and sold wings with booms.     

Gaastra went very cylindrical with their strut.  That may be nice for a handle/microbar setup.  Why not do some R&D?




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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 22, 2020, 12:42:53 AM »
They are sending my 1010 wing  ;D

Nice!  Stoked to hear how that one goes.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 21, 2020, 04:11:28 AM »
But now you have to remove the t nut from the screw. Nooooooo

Slotted based plate is GOLD.  ;D

Slotted base is really nice.  For our use, we leave our 76 masts on all the time.  That way we only have to attach the two fuse screws and we are off.  The fuse screws on the carbon have less than half the thread length, so that is nice.  We never shimmed our bases so these may be stiffer for us  :)

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I'll be stoked to see what you build!

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 21, 2020, 03:04:35 AM »
I suppose the carbon mast will be faster when flying because the part in the water is thinner and narrower?

The carbon mast is .5 inch narrower at the fuse connection and it is significantly thinner up there as well.  The thickness difference is really noticeable (with the exception of the base) The last foot and a half are greatly reduced in comparison with the aluminum (which are obviously constant over the entire mast). 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 20, 2020, 04:28:55 PM »
Package from Axis showed up today.  The new carbon mast looks sweet!  They really cleaned up all of the joints and have eliminated all of the ledges and hard edges.  No potential for a sloppy pedestal connection now.  I get the weight at .5 lb. lighter than the aluminum (with pedestal and doodad and hardware). 


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Do we really need wing specific boards?

Well, of course we do :).  It seems like there is a volume gap between surf foilboards and SUP that will be great for the wing and we do have a different take off dynamic than either of those sports.  Transport and travel will get really easy at 5'4.  I would like to see them covered with footstrap inserts, though.  I like my current board but it is larger than I need and I am ready to be done with the concave deck.  That is not for me.  Flat or domed sounds terrific.

What don't you like about the concave deck?  I'm about to buy a board and I like the idea but haven't tried one.  ????????



So many years on domed decks.  Concave just feels a little unnatural to me but I am slowly getting used to it :)

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Boss,  I've been sniffing around the 'inflatable' contractor scene...  This may be the source of the one Cowboy posted.

https://ucsports.en.alibaba.com/product/62017944029-808188002/Hot_Inflatable_Foi_Board_Hydrofoil_Surfboard_Inflatable_Paddle_hydrofoil_efoil_Boards_for_E_Foil_5ft_8ft.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.33511.13.5b7c52ebUHiAwO


Jim

You are right Jim.  There it is!  Check out this one from the same factory.  They aren't doing much in the styling department and it loos like they are focused on electric but that general concept could be used to make some really nice inflatables for winging. 


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