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So although the vids have been ever more enticing from foil world, it might be this post that pushes me over the edge.
Only details to be worked out is an honest tally of time available, and the family administrator.

The real clincher then should be that you can go on almost any available day.  The wind forecasters here have not caught up with that at all.  They are still saying things like, "light and variable, plan on Golf" and we are scouring the NOAA models for how light? how variable?  Aside: those public models are freaking awesome for finding wind.  I have had 7 or 8 really good days in November many of which have had a stay home forecast. 

Another thing is that the light wind experience is one of the most incredible aspects of the sport.  You don't want to miss that.  It is when the flying sensation is in full soaring mode.  This is incredible on flat water, better with bumps, but I can't even imagine an 8-12 MPH day with even the smallest ocean groundswell.  When we lived on Maui I used to paddle OC1 out at lower Kanaha when it was 1 foot and windless (no one out surfing).  A few other canoes did this sometimes and we would pick up these super smooth waves and glide and glide.  It was an amazing feeling.  Can you imagine that with sideshore wind and a wing at 8 to 12 MPH? 

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: November 11, 2019, 03:57:05 PM »

Just imagine a Gazelle as an aquatic animal and you will pretty much have it. 

Random / Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« on: November 11, 2019, 08:50:27 AM »
Well, Polestar means Volvo is in the mix with specs a little lower than a 2012 Tesla Model S for about $65K. Hard to get super excited about it but good to see more players.

Wouldn't it be a tighter comparison to the upcoming model Y with Dual motors?  They are saying $45,000 for a later release base model.

This looks more like a crossover style thing, but It would have been awesome as a wagon. 

It is a handsome vehicle.  In terms of yeeeow appeal, Tesla has been pretty lackluster with the S being the exception.  It will be interesting to see if Musk really does break loose a little on the truck.  I hope so!

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: November 11, 2019, 02:12:34 AM »
After a few days of stronger wind and smaller gear, we had a light westerly breeze yesterday accompanied by perfect 64 degree air and sunshine.  The Gorge is so beautiful in those conditions.  This was a soft and agreeable wind.  It was mostly 12 MPH, ranging from 8 to 18 but without edgy gusts.  Perfect Swing 5 meter weather with the Axis 1020.  I had the big 500 tail on with the Standard fuselage (in Axis speak the Standard is their longest fuselage) so this is their biggest kit.  That combination is silly fun in light wind.  It pops up so effortlessly and responds so well to pumping.  It takes a little adjusting to because the rhythm of the pump can be so much slower with this bigger gear.  I was practicing one quick little down push and slowly riding it up. Keeping the up angle really low.  Doing it like that and bring the air wing overhead you can feel it all accelerating you upwards for 30 or 40 feet on a tiny little downpump.  That momentarily weightless sensation right there is unique to this sport.  It really does feel like your flying.  These things are so freaking efficient.  I was also amazed by how the big foil would pick up the little microcups that were forming.  Go into a jibe and you can feel the tiniest slopes accelerate you with no wing involvement.

I stayed out for two hours, completely overheated in the sunshine and my winter rubber and stumbled up the beach like a goofball but jeez was that fun.

Admin, have you tried using the floating wing as a balance point when getting situated?  Like putting a hand on top of the leading edge. That way the leading edge handle is right there and no reeling is required.

I couldn't work that out because I have to use both hands on the board's rails to force it underwater. I am not sure how that would work with the float of the leading edge.  Possibly I am missing something?  I am going to borrow one of the Dwarfcraft 4'6  boards.  That is 25 liters and looks like it has very even volume placement which seems like it will help as well.  Too small will be hard to get back to the surface but it will be nice to know the low limit.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Footstraps...
« on: November 10, 2019, 01:32:50 AM »
These foamies look great!  So much simpler and lighter looking than the overlap standard.

Yesterday was fun.  It was a balmy 53 degrees and it was 23 to 30 MPH.  This was a "normal" direction West wind.  The water is still 51 so all was good in the world.  I started on my 6'6 and the 3.5 Swing with the Axis 920 wing.  That felt great.  There were some holes but the 920 was cruising through them like they weren't there.  I love that wing.  I wanted to check out how our 900 wing would do in the same condition so I changed it out.  I had only used that one once before.  My "test" didn't work out that well because the wind filled in and picked up a little so it was really steady by the time I launched again.  Still, that 900 is awesome too.  It got right up in that wind and stayed going like a champ.  I don't know what its range is yet but it was amazing in that good wind. 

I used my big board for a great little session and then came in for some abuse.  I set up the 4'2 32 L with the 920 foil and headed back out.  The spot I was at is actually perfect for learning this because there is another out 500 feet downwind and there is a sidewalk back to the start which I am calling the shamewalk.  The smaller foil helped a lot.  The wind was a little off shore so I straddled, flew the wing and butt cruised (sorry Bill) out the windline.  No getting dumped off the back like on the 1020.  This isn't pretty but it is an easy way to get home in a pinch.  The little board pushes down much more easily than the 39 Liter.  It is probably still a bit more volume than I need.  I can see why the kids are looking for 25-29 L.  That seems like it might make things super relaxed and still allow the board to surface well.  This one will go under with a hard push but it wants to immediately fight back, even under full weight.  I had to adjust my push point way forward and get my stance further forward than expected to get on the balance point.  Even so, if it would come off center even a little on any axis, I could feel it start to go and there was no English that was going to stop it.  Once it did, it would explode out of the water.  So, for most of my half hour drift it would have looked like I was doing launch tests (on myself).  Towards the end of my drift I was able to get squatting, reel in the wing and get to the handle but the explosion still came before I had the strut handles.  In short, I need to find another few seconds.  Next I am going to try again with the 900 foil (which has a little less float).  One thing I can say is that this could be an epic workout regimen.  I was toast when I got home :)

Looking good OBX.  Grins for days!

Since the goal is to lift out of the water and ride the foil, does the board size matter? If a larger board makes it easier to get going etc, why make it any harder for yourself with a small board?
Just curious....

Good Q.  I posted this snip below earlier in the thread.  I would turn your question around.  Since your goal will be to spend all of your session on the foil, why would you choose to carry around the extra 10, 15, lbs. and all of the extra bulk? It will take plenty of flailing and some gear experimentation, but the benefit seems enormous.  I would also add that I think that eventually it will be a way more efficient start in many conditions...and that it looks fun!

The new board is over 11 lbs lighter.  It weighs 7.4 lbs (edited for the 4'6) and has almost no weight in the nose. I love that idea!  Even on Chan's 5'10 the shorter, lighter weight nose feels awesome.  Winging around with near zero excess is the primary goal.  Once you are flying the board is just baggage.  It gets blown around, interferes with the water and in part it controls you.  The more of that we can take away the greater the soaring experience.  It is also 11 lbs that your foil and your wing don't need to lift (6% less total payload in my case).  That is a cheap diet.  It is less pull on your leash.  It tucks under my arm with room to spare.  No need for a handle.  No goofy carry style.  Board goes under the upwind arm with the foil facing into the wind, wing goes in the downwind hand.  Simplicity.  Carry the board nose first, it doesn't matter anymore.  It can fit in the back of any car.  It fits in the passenger front seat of our Subaru.  That is how it came home from the shop as the back was full.   It will travel anywhere super easily.  Go to town with the bubble wrap in a shortboard case and check it.

If you can waterstart reliably anywhere you'll be able to attempt more difficult stuff, if you can't you'll be wondering "can I get back up again" every time you try something.

That right there is what will keep our first season beginner stoke going for years.  We have all of this stuff in front of us.  It doesn't matter if it is your first kneestart, a jibe, a waterstart or a loop.  If you have something ahead of you that you are super interested in learning the enjoyment level stays at 10.  We did the windsurfing freestyle competitions here and Maui for years. In themselves they were all right (short heats with a lot of waiting) but they were awesome for keeping the stoke up. There was always a hard new move to work on.  I am happy to have that back.

So I rode the 5í1 today with the 5m. Wind was a sketchy 10-17 for trying the little board.

The only real challenge with the board, is the balance climbing on it, then dealing with the balance of something so short and sunk 4 to 5 inches underwater. The nose can go down and you fall off the front, or the side rolls, and you fall off the side. You need about 2 seconds of balance on it to grab the wing and get to the handles. Once youíve got the handles, everything becomes easy. Getting to my feet is only slightly harder due to the short length.

Once standing, youíre set. It pops onto to foil with one flick of the wrist. Just amazing how quick and drag free it feels. I can even switch feet skimming the water without fear of falling.

Itís probably best for 4.2m conditions or steady 5m wind. Itís likely to be the board Jacky uses everyday in any wind. I guess I need to hurry and make her one.

That all sounds good, Dwight.  It is pretty amazing how things stabilize when you get your hands on the handles.  Post up some pics of the board!

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: November 08, 2019, 05:33:51 PM »
Admin, where are you getting the 2020 gear ordered from? Axis direct and Live 2 Kite (West distributor) only have 2019 gear listed on their sites.

I had been communicating with them by email. I asked and they replied:  Awesome to hear about the riders looking for more AXIS. You can always direct them to us here at AXIS Foils, with any questions and needs.  Also they check in with their local dealers that sell AXIS Foils.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Footstraps...
« on: November 08, 2019, 09:37:56 AM »
There is some really cool stuff in that.  Those straps look outstanding.  I wish they would do some offset insert strips for the front foot though.  A little angle is nice :).


Good points but I look at it very differently. 

We started talking about waterstarts here before we had seen anyone doing them or before we had seen anyone riding any boards other than large sup foilboards.  This is a natural and in my mind it will definitely be a part of the sport for most riders.  To me this seems like it will viewed as a basic beginner-moving-to-intermediate move at a later date just like it is with windsurfing and kiting.

The knee start with a large board is great for light wind or flat water but in Gorge swell and higher wind it is not as fun.  Knee starting on a small board is certainly doable, but at that point it seems like going all the way to a waterstart will be more functional in a wider variety of conditions. 

I also don't question that all of us here given a little time will work out tacks, jibes, transitions, one hand luffing, downwind carving, chop hops, etc.  Those are basic intermediate moves in all watersports.  I can't say with certainty that we will get there but I would be disappointed if we don't.  We are brand new foilers and obviously brand new wing foilers.  There is a ton still to learn.  We know that all of this will take time.  That is what the second season will be for :)  The waterstart seems like a really cool part of that to me. 

I have been talking to a few of the guys who have the waterstart down and they have all said that it took a while to learn.  They have all said that getting the volume right is critical.  I am sure there will be some weight to volume suggestions in the future but right now there are none and that means experimenting. 

Here is the same setup with the sink style.  He wrote:  Basically I sit on the board with the Wing in one hand. I push the board under the water and squad on it. I put pressure on the board and stand up (underwater), ounce I'm stable, I bring the Wing over my head and power it up. Slowly the board pops out of the water, I put the front foot into the straps and off I go;) .   I put a bit of back pressure on the back leg, so the nose can find its way to the surface, it definitely help in strong wind and good balance you can probably go quite low on volume, but I felt like 33L is a good balance for me.

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