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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: Today at 06:35:42 AM »
Great video.

The various rig types are going about it very differently.  Kind of choose your flavor.

I don't think there is much of a question who's king :)

Check out how granular you can get with this Moth rig.  Holy shit is that an impressive piece of kit.  40 MPH on water is rare air for sure but it is way cool to see how they get there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBQokdXk_8g&list=WL

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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 20, 2021, 02:03:53 AM »
Look at getting things fixed and replacement cost.
 The UFO 's are well built. There is a great vid of how they build them and are constantly changing to keep things as efficient as possible.
 The Skeeta was not in production when I looked.
 

Those are all great points.  UFO looks nice as well.  The Skeeta design and videos drew me in but I can see advantages to both.  Skeetas are just now showing up here in the USA.  The distributor told me that the first container went to SailGP team who did some demos with them and I believe some made it into the wild.  They are expecting the first container in November for open order.  These are Cobra Epoxy boats.  Durability remains to be seen.   The partner brands and components that I have seen look good.  Not Moth level Sexy but well done.  This is all web stuff though, so always a bit of an unknown and a gamble. 








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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 19, 2021, 11:28:58 AM »
This is great.  Just the listings from October will keep you busy.  These guys are turning stuff over like wing foilers :)

I have no good reason to be looking at this stuff...but I love it.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/399647313568164/

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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 19, 2021, 08:59:18 AM »
Skeeta or UFO you can jump on and be foiling a few hours later.

Even a few months sounds great!  I am ready to fly again :)

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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 19, 2021, 06:21:16 AM »
The sexy carbon stuff is like moths to a flame. Almost irresistible, and costly! Having said that, I'm looking forward to getting my 999 just so I can show my Moth buddies that yes, we also have thin, high aspect foils too now!

Perhaps unfair, but interesting to compare the footage of the Skeeta going downwind vs a well sailed Moth or Waszp, which basically has the main pinned on the centre line the whole time as the apparent wind is always forward, irrespective of the direction you're sailing.

Hah!  You will like this.  His conclusion, "They're pretty simple, the moths".  Yeah coming from an America's cup background :).  Check out his vang system.  They have those rigs crazy tensioned.  So cool, and massively efficient like you said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF6glJ-Mxw8

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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 18, 2021, 09:44:29 AM »
Can you foiling tack a Skeeta? That was a bit of 'holy grail' in Moth foiling initially, a bit like a winging back flip. Once it was demonstrated possible, it caught on pretty quick, but it did making racing a bit uneven, split between those who could and could not for a time. Still pretty challenging to learn, by all accounts...

He does a couple of foiling tacks in this vid.  It is a very cool technique!  I have always wanted to visit Lake Garda.  This may be an excuse!

https://youtu.be/Lhk6Jib3yi4

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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 18, 2021, 08:20:43 AM »
This guy is hitting 25 MPH in his Skeeta.  So cool.  I am guessing he is hitting the limits of the foils.  They certainly are yelling at him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTc2o5rgH18

We are sure to do some damage if we get near those speeds.  On the upside, there is an incredible aftermarket moth part business, a lot of which should be adaptable. 

These guys are making the Skeeta carbon bits Mast booms, etc, but check out the sexy moth stuff: https://cst-marine.com/moth/

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-fni6c0u228/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/126/700/2021-3-24_10.24.18__68523.1627869413.jpg?c=2?imbypass=on

and these 3D sails are the shit (and cheap :) ):

https://www.northsails.com/sailing/store/international-moth-bi-9dsx-mainsail

We clearly need this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFEYvqXDus

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Share the Stoke / Re: Picture of the day!
« on: October 18, 2021, 05:14:07 AM »
Oh, man!

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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 17, 2021, 02:15:19 AM »
I dig the design and the way the Skeeta looks foiling but I am wide open to an alternate.  Talk me out of it.  :) I just want something easy enough to get me going but close enough to the moth/waszp thing that it can potentially transfer.  Or potentially the Skeeta is already in that leauge, fun-wise.  Not sure.  Waszp looks very nice but without already having the specific skills at the ready I don't think it would be possible for me right now. 

This guy did a season on the Skeeta and then moved on to a Waszp.  I am reading others going in the opposite direction.  Par for the course?  He praised the boat but did mention that it is not the most robust construction.  Light, strong, and large enough to be stable is tricky. These Skeetas are Cobra Epoxy construction.  Strong for windsurfers and such but a long way from a fiberglas laser, I am sure.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYoZVwq5DXU&t=334s

These guys are doing sail foiling camps and rental in Skeetas and Waszps on Lake Garda (Looks beautiful).  Smart thing may be to go and try first :)

https://stickl.com/foiling_camp_gardasee_stickl/skeeta_foilen_gardasee/

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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 16, 2021, 03:21:24 AM »

There's a guy at my club who has one and they look like a nice foiling package, although he's not doing it justice! With your foiling experience you're well placed to get up and having fun quickly. Biggest difference to winging is relying on the boat to control the ride height, so need a bit of commitment to get up to foiling speed and then faith that the boat won't launch you up and then straight into a crash (although there will be plenty of those too!)  The absence of shrouds at least means you're not going to cheese wire yourself if you do get launched forward on a hard landing.

Cool.  It seems fun to learn about active foils and I have everything to learn which is pretty exciting.  On the boat I ordered the lifting foils (lifting foils vs horizontal foils - that is what we foiling sailors call them :) ) are one piece/flapless.  The rudder foil angle is not actively managed but can be adjusted at the tiller end with a knob.  Cool!  The Main foil/Daggerboard foil is actively adjusted by the bow wand.  One nice feature for me is that there is a line which lifts the wand, basically a panic button, which angles the front foil down and immediately lowers the boat to surface mode.  I'll need that :) .

There are shrouds/stays on the Skeeta coming off of a carbon spreader.  They attach the hull, so they aren't quite as wide set as on the some of the Moths which have them way out on the wings, but I am sure you can still find them in the right crash. 

I have been going over the guides.  Reminds me how these things are all really a sum of their (numerous) parts.  Just looking at what is going to break first. 

Good thing that Bill is interested. 

Randy: Broken part, Ahh shit!
Bill:  Broken Part, Ooh project!

https://c2b8221c-7630-4c48-bf1b-0ced22e81900.filesusr.com/ugd/23ea61_1642677be2c74d769bab307f6ddea618.pdf

This video shows the foiling systems of the Skeeta, Nikki and Waszp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvKqfAVsxt0

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Sailboat Foiling / Re: Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 15, 2021, 08:58:26 AM »
Yes!  Stoked to see interest in this.  I actually already ordered a Skeeta from Melges (US Distributor) and should have a boat to mess with in November.  I was also very interested in all of the boats mentioned above (and still am).  There are others that looked sweet as well.  It would be cool to see some alternate experiences as I/we get started.

The same group is doing a light sailor/kids boat that "tops out" at 140 lbs but it looks like some of the more advanced larger sailers are using that as well.  If the larger boat (up to 240 lbs) works out we will get a smaller one as well.  They have 3 sail sizes (9.5, 8.5, 7.2) for the larger boat so, a bit of range as well. 

I expect a big learning curve and plenty of dunks.  I think it looks like great fun and I am hopeful that it is possible.


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Sailboat Foiling / Foiling Sailboats!
« on: October 14, 2021, 11:39:26 AM »
Oh look, a new board on the forum.  Humor me.   :)

After a season on the bike, I have the foiling bug again.  Yeah, the legs have gone to shit but, se la vie.  I had been eyeing foiling moths a few years back but never pulled the trigger.  Recently, I came across this little foiler (Cobra produced) that looks super fun to me.  I am going to give it a go.  More forgiving that the Moths and a lot less fiddly.  Still can do 20 mph and can foil in 6 knots.  Can be surface sailed with plugs rather than foils, so I can teach the grandkids as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhk6Jib3yi4

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Random / Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« on: October 08, 2021, 05:34:24 AM »
Yup.  This first group of trucks is going to change the mass perception.  Another tipping point.  You just have to listen to the reactions of these guys.  They are exceeding expectations in every category.  Tesla, Ford, Rivian, possibly others.  These are such stupidly capable vehicles and they are the vehicles that we drive and want to drive. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdaC-HVd9Ww

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Random / Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« on: September 30, 2021, 09:45:06 AM »
Here is another great video.  Starts with a lot of offroad footage (so cool with no noise) but ends showing off all of the features.  Some really impressive engineering on this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGqexebCcUo

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