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Title: what are you doing ?
Post by: fms on November 12, 2010, 04:33:57 PM
I recently asked Randy about starting a new training/fitness topic. Wow that was fast! I recently started a circuit training program and its working well,but I'm interested in what type of training and diet is working for you all. Let's hear it. Thanks,FMS
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on November 12, 2010, 07:20:24 PM
I swim with a team a couple times per week, run some, and think about lifting weights and improving my diet.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: PonoBill on November 12, 2010, 07:53:54 PM
This is the year for me to get into shape. Can't start this weekend because we're throwing a Festivus party for relatives we won't be seeing for Thanksgiving or Christmas. Plus the last Formula One race is this weekend--that means a big breakfast. Hey Randy, I made some KICK ASS pea soup with ham hocks. Gallon of it.  No point starting on Monday because it's our last day for awhile in Hood River. So starting Tuesday. Oh wait, Tuesday I'm on the plane to Maui, and the food is pretty good on Hawaiian Airlines, and I'll be sitting all day, so that blows Tuesday.

So starting Wednesday...oh, wait, I'll just have gotten back. Naturally I've got to get in the water, but I have to get the cars and motorcycles started, sort through the boards, remember to plug the drainholes I drilled last year, probably do a Costco run to stock the joint. And we'll want to go out in Paia on Wednesday night.

So Thursday...

Anyway, this is the year. I'm starting my first two weeks in Maui with a clean-out diet and going from there. Good nutrition, less beer. Sounds like my own private hell to me, but I'm going for it. The exercise stuff I'll figure out as I go. I'm going to ask Dave to show me a few things but I don't want to die on a beach, so that might be a challenge. More bicycle riding, more weight workouts (blech!), more swimming, max water time. Not just surfing and downwinding, I'm going to go hard for distance.

This is the year. I turn 64 this January. I'm not rolling over 65 at anything over 220#.

Plus I bought Randy's OC1, so that might help.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Six Feet and Glassy on November 14, 2010, 08:12:59 PM
Sounds like another excellent thread!

Just got back from Disneyland.  Woohoo!  No exercise, lots of food, some beer.  

Before that it was a work project.  Auwe!  Little exercise, lots of food, some beer.

For exercise,  I've been doing mostly too little.  Some light crossfit-type bodyweight exercises, some running, occasional weights, and my new thang:  Paddling in my pool (see other thread).  Can't wait to get on a board to see if the pool paddling helps.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Big Z on November 14, 2010, 09:46:10 PM
Ponobill, know what you mean. Started my new eating, lifestyle change last Dec. and went from 315 to 255. My goal...235! The last couple of months have not lost anything so...come the morning 1000cal a day for a week to get the ball rolling again. Damn no beer...this is going to suck! So hang in there I feel your pain. Oh and have a good trip enjoy that sun because I'm stuck here in Washington were its freaking cold. Aloha! ;D
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: JonathanC on November 16, 2010, 03:52:23 AM
I went to the physical therapist yesterday about a little nagging shoulder thing and told him I'm planning on doing the 11 City Tour in Holland in August, the clinic is mainly for sports injuries and they have many elite athletes passing through. He kinda went a little quiet when I told him it was (220k) 136 miles in 5 days, particularly when I told him that I had paddled 29 miles in one day, once, downwind.

He was kind enough to tell me the little saying that they have in the clinic:   If you fail to prepare, prepare to fail

So I need a plan, fast, to get enough meat onto my skinny body to make the distance. Keep trying to console myself with the fact that Connor did it and Anne Marie did it, they don't look so tough.....oh dear ::)
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: AJR on November 16, 2010, 08:46:00 AM
About 7 years ago I was 345 lbs.  Focused on the diet for a year and didn't worry about exercise at first.  That helped me get down to about 280 lbs or so.  Then I added in exercise - weights 3x a week & cardio 3x a week.  I mixed it up between Beach Body videos (the prequel to P90X) and got a trainer at the local gym for a month.  That got me down to about 230 lbs over the next year to year and a half.  Of course I had to keep watching what I ate (no more 30 chicken wings followed by a half gallon of ice cream).

Got married 4 years ago & slowly gained back about 15 lbs.  Decided it was getting out of control (plus we have a little one coming) and didn't want to gain it all back.  I started tracking what I eat (targeted 2000 calories a day) and the exercise is walking the dogs and hour a day (Mon - Fri), lifting weights 2-3x a week, and paddlesurfing 2-3 hrs on the weekends.  I'm at 210 lbs now and holding pretty steady (calories are up to about 2200 a day)...

In my experience no fads or crazy diets are necessary.  Eat sensibly & exercise & it'll come off...  It might take a little longer but you'll change your lifestyle along the way which is what makes it last...
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Johnny Mac on November 16, 2010, 01:10:15 PM
AJR,

My hat's off to you brother!!  That is an amazing feat of will power and a testament to your personal committment.  I only wish I had your dedication.

Congrats on the baby and the new level of fitness!!

John
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: 1tuberider on November 19, 2010, 07:24:37 AM
Sup took me from 215 to around 185. 

My food intake is reasonable.  I eat breakfast, and lunch and seldom dinner.  That helped me maintain when the surfs not in the mood.

I don't cross train.  Surfing is fun and surfing a beach break keeps me working hard to get more waves.  Last Sat I was surfing a 6 to 8 ft swell at our beach break.  I had to prone paddle a few times as I was getting worked but I managed to catch some good waves.  If its not fun I know my motivation to do it is low.

Occasionally I go on a distance paddle.  Sure feel nice and tight after a long paddle. I am not a racer nor do I train for racing but I do like to pull the paddle and sweat while working hard.  Last week I paddled from our Pebble beach to South Beach a distance of over 3 miles.  Nice paddle, lots of following wind but in to close to get runners.  Just enjoyed every stroke of the journey.

For those of you who don't have excesses of time, and have access to water I think paddling with reasonable food intake is your ticket to a lean hard body.  I know at 59 I sure don't have a typical 59 year old body.  I am stronger than I was in high school and weigh about the same.  Just wish my structure was still 18 but thats another problem. Hope to paddle till I am cold and done, which I think paddling will give me a few more years to enjoy life.

Enjoy your paddle, pull hard and feel tight everywhere.  Great for your noggin as well as your body.

Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: LBatBeach on November 20, 2010, 09:05:08 AM
My wife finally convinced me to start doing P90X.  She has been doing it for a year.  It's an at home work out DVD series.  I am 48 and in pretty good shape but dont really get to SUP or SURF or Kite that much at home.  We spend the winters in Puerto Rico and get down there a bunch other wise but its on then off.  Felt like I needed something when I could not be on the water, to make sure I was ready when I did.  Plus at 48, I am not telling anyone how much easier it is to get hurt and how much longer it takes to heal. Especially when your brain still tells you you are 20!

P90X is awesome.  Tons of core and balance work.  Blend of Yoda, Kempo, Plyo and good old fashioned ass whuppin push ups, ab work and pull ups.  Takes 30 - 60 minutes a day and requires very little equipment.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: river on November 20, 2010, 01:25:10 PM
I have been eating and trying to follow Scott Estrada's SUPERFOOD diet.  No dairy, refined sugars, or dead food.  Eat tons of fiber and only organic fruits and veges.  If anyone ever gets a chance to attend one of his SUPer Food clinics I highly recommend it.  I have lost 10 lbs and feel great.  Went from 180 lbs to a lean 170 lbs in 4 weeks.  Feeling great.  Oh yea I cut out the bean too (coffee) which I was addicted to and didnt realize the effects it had on me until I quit.  I still drink beer and have the occasional desert though :)
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: CMC on November 25, 2010, 01:36:58 PM
A few years ago I was around 100kg.  At my height this was pretty big, two hands around the bulge on the belly etc etc.  Was even puffing on ventolin from time to time.  I had always surfed but working in a surfboard factory, eating delivery Japanese every day and sitting in front of a computer quickly blew me out.

I visited a Naturopath who put me on a low carb program.  To complement this and to assist in the loss I started running, boxing, push ups, sit ups, pull ups etc etc. I did this every day for 45-60  minutes at least.  In 6 weeks I lost around 15kgs and this completely changed my life.  The best part was from then onwards I have trained in some way and feel terrible if I don't.  Sloppy, lazy, disconnected.

SUP was a great thing to begin as it was hard work when the waves were bad.

These days I train with my Outrigging club in the 6 man 3 times per week, boxing 2 nights per week, surf when there is waves, train with the boys on the creek on SUP when I can get there and paddle my OC1 whenever time or conditions permit.  In short I am up everyday at 4:15am and have done something before my wife even wakes up, I usually get home as she is getting up.  People ask how I find the time, the answer: Just get up earlier!  even paddling in the dark in Winter.

My point to this is.  If you want to train and get fit just get moving.  Once you get past the hard bit at the start your body falls into the pattern and soon you have no choice but to keep going.  The other tip is that if you struggle to train hard on your own join a group of some kind, the ribbing you get for slacking or not turning up is usually enough for most blokes to push a bit harder.  Competitive team sports are a good way, compete for a seat in the boat in order to compete with boat fulls of other people that have been training as well.

If you can find someone with good knowledge of cardio systems, interval training, fartlek work and nutrition this is always good.

One more tip that worked for me is that I used to get the hungry horrors after training really hard, my coach put me on to a great quality, low carb Whey Protein Isolate that is low calorie and carb but super high protein that fills me up and the crazy eating has stopped.

Hope this helps someone in some way.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on November 25, 2010, 01:48:54 PM
CMC--Great timing!!!  All of us in the U.S. will start tomorrow--after we sit down to the biggest, most fattening meal of the year tonight for Thanksgiving.   ;D

I do think I'm going to try to fit in either a long run or a paddle first, though.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: cheekymonkey on November 26, 2010, 04:41:21 AM
Oh yea I cut out the bean too (coffee) which I was addicted to and didnt realize the effects it had on me until I quit. 

hi river, i'm the same with the bean, what were the effects & results you experienced out of interest :)
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Pureadrenalin on November 26, 2010, 08:21:47 PM
load the carbs no other way to do it. lmao thats what they all preach and thats all they think there is.SOS
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on November 26, 2010, 10:12:27 PM
load the carbs no other way to do it. lmao thats what they all preach and thats all they think there is.SOS
Whoever "they" are, they don't seem to be posting here.  People are recommending NOT loading up on carbs, but including protein and fats with them. 
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: greatdane on December 01, 2010, 10:26:13 AM
Oh yea I cut out the bean too (coffee) which I was addicted to and didnt realize the effects it had on me until I quit.

hi river, i'm the same with the bean, what were the effects & results you experienced out of interest :)
Caffeine is a great ergogenic aid, if used in moderation.  It works.  That is why it is banned at certain high dosages in international competition.  Drinking too much can be detrimental in the long run, but there are countless studies that it helps as a mild pick-me-up before competition.  Works for me, but I only have 2-3 shots per day (equivalent to about 1-2 cups of joe).  I'm not an addict, I can quit anytime, ha ha.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: stoneaxe on December 01, 2010, 07:22:39 PM
This thread is depressing me.....I managed to get in pretty good shape before the 1st CCBC in 2008. Went from 320 or so from Sept of 2007 down to 245 by August of 2008. Back up to 270 by spring of 2009 then got down to 255 for the 2009 CCBC which didn't happen for me....got sidetracked by having a hole drilled in my head but at least I kept most of the weight off with the horrible hospital food diet.

 Added the usual winter weight end of 2009 but got back down to about 260 for this years CCBC...then I screwed up my knee just after it...2 months of forced idleness...no exercise and boredom are a dangerous combo...flew back up to 285. Headed back down again in fits and starts...but a ridiculous work schedule and the holidays have hurt the last couple of weeks.

It's a pain in the ass loving food so much....as for the bean....Kureg machine in the office....just realized reading this post that I had around 8 cups today.....WIRED....working 12-14 hour days sucks too. Gotta break this stupid cycle of ups and downs. I know what I SHOULD be doing...Nikki Gregg recommended the Metabolic Typing Diet and if I can actually get myself into the groove of smarter eating and more exercise it will obviously happen. Anybody know where I can rent some willpower?

My ideal weight is around 230...any less than that and I'm eating into muscle. i'd love to see the difference in surfing and racing at that weight...hopefully I can manage it by the 1st CCBC 2011 event in the late spring.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: PonoBill on December 01, 2010, 09:04:24 PM
I'll send you the sugar recalibrating diet that Tish Berman had me on for a few weeks. Lost a quick ten pounds and now we're adjusting to calibrate and lose the rest and establish a lifestyle I can tolerate. I have the same underlying set of problem you have, including a similar genetic makeup. Here's what I've found so far:

Two weeks of mostly vegetables, healthy fats, meat as a condiment and avoid the red stuff. No grains, no breads, no starchy foods. Sounds like Atkins but veggies are fine--eat as much of them as you like. No alcohol (I cheated on that but trimmed the beer way back) eat six times a day, heaviest meal at noon. Drink a lot of water. Like a couple of gallons per day

Adjust the way you look at portions. Tough for me, I cook a lot and usually when I'm done there's plenty for three instead of reasonable for Diane and I. When I make an omelet I do it in a small pan. Small amounts of everything and four eggs for two people. Really small amounts. Like three mushrooms sliced. One slice of lunch ham diced. A little broccoli, a little pile of string beans. Saute that, add the egg and use standard omelet technique to make it fluffy. Grate hard cheese in--don't crumble it of toss in a handful.  

Interesting part is how CHEAP this lifestyle is, even though we do our shopping at Whole Food in Maui--the most expensive base food cost place I've ever been. We're using a fraction of the usual groceries, and not eating out much. I'm just screwing around, but I've started being really frugal. Buy a roasted chicken--make four meals out of it including chicken in an omelet, then make chicken soup from the carcass and all the veggies in the refrigerator that are starting to go bad. I make a mean chicken soup and it's enough for at least three meals. Kind of fun living like I used to when I was twenty and poor as a churchmouse.

I love bread, I love spuds. Tough. Don't eat 'em. No grains for a couple of weeks to get you going. No sugar.

Right now I couldn't eat a big meal. I've adjusted my view of portions way downward and my stomach gets full fast. If you go out to eat, order as rationally as you can and ask them get a to go carton. Put half in that  BEFORE you start eating.

We went to some friends for thanksgiving. I resolved to not worry about the diet and just have at it. Filled my plate, ate half. Stuffed. Got a small sample of every dessert and just picked at them. I felt like I'd gorged myself--I was uncomfortable. My guess is I ate one quarter as much as I usually would. It's the six times a day thing--you get REALLY hungry, but all it takes is a couple of bites to fill you up.

A snack is half an apple, a few pecans or walnuts, and some thin slices of really good cheese. Seriously, it's really satisfying, and it's balanced better than just eating an apple. Especially if the apple is in a pie with ice cream on it.

Working OK for me. I've had two periods of forced inactivity in the four weeks since I've started this--the tail end of the vein thing, and now I overdid the OC-1 and training stuff. Still having spasms, but it's waning. Sitting on the couch watching the tube, reading, wrting. Hardly moving. Haven't regained any weight, still losing.

It's a little hard, but I feel good and I keep thinking how fricken fast I'm gonna be when I'm not carrying a forty pound pack of blubber when I race these thirty year old dudes. Watch out.

Oh, and even though Diane always eats carefully to help her diabetes, this diet has her daily meal-time insulin cut in half, and her blood sugar swings are much better controlled. It's not the diet we're going to convert into a lifestyle, but it does a great job getting you on the path.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on December 02, 2010, 12:02:49 AM
There's great info here.

The question I have is--most people have something--sweets, coffee, beer, salty food, greasy food, etc.--that they love, but that they would be better off cutting back on. 

Is it just a matter of constant willpower to limit whatever your own vice is, or (as I've heard) is there a "re-set" (or withdrawal?) period where it's hard initially, but then your body adjusts to the point you no longer crave whatever you used to?

It sounds like lots of people here have greatly improved their eating habits, so may have personal experience with this. 

Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: cheekymonkey on December 02, 2010, 07:35:37 AM
Oh yea I cut out the bean too (coffee) which I was addicted to and didnt realize the effects it had on me until I quit.

hi river, i'm the same with the bean, what were the effects & results you experienced out of interest :)
Caffeine is a great ergogenic aid, if used in moderation.  It works.  That is why it is banned at certain high dosages in international competition.  Drinking too much can be detrimental in the long run, but there are countless studies that it helps as a mild pick-me-up before competition.  Works for me, but I only have 2-3 shots per day (equivalent to about 1-2 cups of joe).  I'm not an addict, honest, I can quit anytime, honest, I'll do it tomorrow, now where's my coffee.

:)
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Distressed Mullet on December 08, 2010, 09:20:52 AM
This is the year for me to get into shape. Can't start this weekend because we're throwing a Festivus party for relatives we won't be seeing for Thanksgiving or Christmas.

Are you having the Airing of the Grievances or Feats of Strength?
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: AJR on December 08, 2010, 01:31:10 PM
The question I have is--most people have something--sweets, coffee, beer, salty food, greasy food, etc.--that they love, but that they would be better off cutting back on. 

Is it just a matter of constant willpower to limit whatever your own vice is, or (as I've heard) is there a "re-set" (or withdrawal?) period where it's hard initially, but then your body adjusts to the point you no longer crave whatever you used to?

Not for me bro'...  My weaknesses are sweets & the volume of food that I want to eat.  I've been doing this for many years now and I still always want sweets & to eat a lot.  Motivators help - I don't want to blow back up because I felt horrible & I want to stay in good shape so I'm around for a while for my wife and soon-to-hatch son.  Plus I know I can keep it off, I like weighing less today at 38 yrs old than I did in high school, and I feel GREAT so I don't cave in (often  :D)...  It's a constant battle; change the lifestyle & stick to it. 
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Pureadrenalin on December 09, 2010, 09:30:52 PM
There's great info here.

The question I have is--most people have something--sweets, coffee, beer, salty food, greasy food, etc.--that they love, but that they would be better off cutting back on. 

Is it just a matter of constant willpower to limit whatever your own vice is, or (as I've heard) is there a "re-set" (or withdrawal?) period where it's hard initially, but then your body adjusts to the point you no longer crave whatever you used to?

It sounds like lots of people here have greatly improved their eating habits, so may have personal experience with this. 

You need to learn what foods control your blood sugar level. Then ultimately you won't have up and down high and low sugar spikes throughout the day. Just remember all foods are not created equal and just because another healthy person is eating it doesn't mean you eat the same thing. What works for one person not necessarily will work for you. No to persons has the same metabolic type. Biggest mistake anyone can do.


Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: headmount on December 09, 2010, 10:23:32 PM
In the movie Pulp Fiction Jules says, "My wife is a vegetarian so that kind of makes me a vegetarian... but i do enjoy a good burger."   he proceeds to eat this guy's Kahuna burger before he blows him away.  Funniest thing I've ever seen but the point is ... pick a woman who eats right and that helps a ton.  Mine eats like a bird and it rubs sorta rubs off.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: surfcowboy on December 10, 2010, 02:21:45 AM
Speaking to mike's question, I quit refined sugar a few years ago and have a good bit of experience around addiction and recovery, including some time around some pretty famous doctors in that field.  The general consensus from the docs is that your brain needs 90 days to start to "reset" from any addiction and then a year of "sobriety" for your brain chemistry to truly start to change.

After that, you may still have cravings but you are less likely to give in. I still want that cake from time to time but less and less as time goes by.

I have to agree that when I eat less bread and other carbs and more meat and fresh fruit and vegetables, I'm in better shape. Common sense but our culture doesn't make it easy if you eat out much.

I agree with bill, as usual, it is cheaper than you'd think once you get portions in line. I'm lucky, I'm never that big but I get soft when I slack and I feel bad too.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on December 10, 2010, 10:44:05 AM
  The general consensus from the docs is that your brain needs 90 days to start to "reset" from any addiction and then a year of "sobriety" for your brain chemistry to truly start to change.
Surfcowboy--thanks.  That's good news.  I could easily give up cookies and ice cream. for 90 days.  As long as it doesn't have to be 90 in a row. 
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Pureadrenalin on December 10, 2010, 02:03:38 PM
Are you guys joking Doctors. They are the last person you ask a health or nutrition question. Strong 90 percent can't even take care themselves. They are to use to prescribing medications and no long term permanent nutrition  health plans because they Are in the business of making money. Not helping you with long term good health. If you are healthy how often do you go to the doctor? Next to none so they don't make no money. So why would you even consider listening to a bunch of b/s. You sick and unhealthy he is your best friend because that's more money for his/her practice Common sense.SOS the title of this thread is What are you doing? Not what the doctor doing.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on December 10, 2010, 02:21:28 PM
First I thought those comments about doctors were a bit extreme.  After all, who isn't in business to make money?  And I swim and run with some really fit doctors. 

Then I got thinking.  Of all the people I know who've died, pretty much every one of them did it in a hospital, and who were they talking to shortly before they keeled over?  Doctors.

I don't think anyone's ever died right after talking to a nutritionist. 
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Pureadrenalin on December 10, 2010, 02:31:26 PM
First I thought those comments about doctors were a bit extreme.  After all, who isn't in business to make money?  And I swim and run with some really fit doctors. 

Then I got thinking.  Of all the people I know who've died, pretty much every one of them did it in a hospital, and who were they talking to shortly before they keeled over?  Doctors.

I don't think anyone's ever died right after talking to a nutritionist. 


Well then again you believe what you believe. For me that's what I strongly believe because I proved them wrong to many times when it comes to believing in my health and my two cents is REAL life experiences 100 percent for REAL not just something I just learned. It's a life style so its something I practice and preach on a everyday basis. So dont really care if it's kind of EXTREME its what I believe and live by not B/S and fairy tales.

 


aL
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: PonoBill on December 10, 2010, 08:15:50 PM
PDX is having a bit of fun, but I suspect, Ninja, that you'd find a lot of Doctors coming around to your way of thinking. One of my good friends is a Doc, and he says all Doctors are equipped to do is push pills and cut. An oversimplification, but it makes sense.

But a lot of doctors say the way to get control of healthcare costs is not some bureaucratic mess with universal insurance, but making the populace more healthy, with better nutrition, exercise, better personal healthcare, better choices. People who eat nothing but fast foods, get no exercise, smoke, drink, never floss, don't take care of infections like athletes foot, yeast infections, bladder infections, take antibiotics instead of dealing with underlying health issues--are going to be expensive to insure. The only way they won't be is if their bad habits kill them young and quickly.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on December 10, 2010, 08:58:06 PM
I agree. A lot of medicine is aimed at eliminating the symptoms rather than treating the underlying problem--true in everything from cold pills to surgery.  I remember in the 70s with running when sports podiatrists finally started convincing people that you could put people in better running shoes and eliminate most foot and knee and hip surgeries.

The idea of pain being your friend is the same thing.  It tells you that something is wrong.  Yet people rush to kill the pain, and never address why they hurt. 

I just wouldn't put all the blame on doctors.  We have a medical and insurance system that doesn't address nutrition or exercise, but will pay for the $100K surgery that someone needs because they didn't eat right or exercise.  People ignore their own health, then show up in the emergency room after they've destroyed their own bodies.   Doctors don't get paid to get to know their patients or talk to them long enough to do proper diagnoses.  But then I'm  reeaally starting to talk about what doctors (or medicine) is doing, versus what we are doing. 
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: headmount on December 12, 2010, 07:18:04 AM
MDs are limited as to what advice they may give by the specter of mal-practice.  In the movie Love and Other Drugs, they poke fun at people who get info online but the fact is MD's won't give that advice and folks are motivated to find all the info they can.  When I had an A-fib, they told me nothing about nutrition and supplements that might help.  In fact the nurse stated that I'd be back in a few months with another A-fib like having a spastic ticker was going to be a fact of life for me.  Well I was rather ticked off and went to the net.  So far so good with what I learned.  For A-fib that was max amount of magnesium, Co-enzyme Q-10, and fish oil.  Now I'm doing coconut oil as well and some hippie concoction for joint inflammation... and I don't help people push start their cars anymore.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: PonoBill on December 12, 2010, 12:26:36 PM
For me it was Rollerblading with my son-in-law. No way I was going to let him beat me. Likewise him. We went way past simple exhaustion and later my pulse got weird. Ten years later, no repeat.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: stoneaxe on December 12, 2010, 07:30:21 PM
Not to get too far off topic but I'm very thankful for great Docs. I know where you're coming from ninja because I've seen and experienced that too but I also owe much to the skills of a great Doc whose sole focus was getting me well enough to get back to a normal life.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: Pureadrenalin on December 13, 2010, 12:40:37 PM
Ok guys to clear up things I am not blaming or completely saying all doctors are full of it. Just trying to point out with my personal experience throughout the years with long term health decisions they ere not the prime experts to seek out help from period. I do believe there are a few good ones out there that don't treat us like guinea pigs and they do know there stuff but I haven't found one myself that truly helped me when it came to long term health issues. Doctors,Nutritionist and commercial trainers has told me that metabolic typing diets does not exist or is bunch of b.s. but I have practiced it and fine tuned it accordingly to me and my family for the past twelve plus years. Lastly look at all these other commercial systems like Jenny Craig and nutrisystems they are now based off of metabolic typing diets and a glycemic index. Reason is they used real foods not something in a box or a sipping straw that will produce only short term results and in the next eight weeks you hit a wall and gain all your weight back or even gain twice the weight than when you originally started.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on December 13, 2010, 02:21:17 PM
Ninja--the thing I think you really got right is that doctors are really not health experts, and healthcare is not very good at keeping people healthy.  PonoBill's doc friend said doctors are trained to push pills and cut, one I knew said they're mechanics--basically the same comment. 

In fact, if you look at doctors as mechanics, and medicine as automotive care, it makes a lot of sense. 

The surgeon who operates on your heart is like the body guy who repairs your fender.  The body guy's job is to fix your fender, and you want the best one you can get.  But he's not going to inspect your car and tell you if you hadn't let your tires go bald, you wouldn't have slid into the telephone pole.  And the system is certainly not set up for the body guy to tell you months before the crash that you need to get new tires, or suggest that you take him for a drive so he can see what your driving skills are, so that you can make corrections so that you'll never cause the future crash that will require his services to repair.   

You have to learn all that stuff on your own--how to drive, how to maintain your car, etc.  That's pretty easy with cars, but not as easy with health.  So people do nothing, or the wrong things, until they crash, then the doctors come in to fix the immediate crash damage.  Add to that that you're responsible for your own costs for doing the preventative stuff, but if you skip that and crash your body, someone else will pick up most of the tab, and it creates a mess.  We have a nation of people who don't change their oil, then get their engines overhauled over and over again.

So once you have some real damage--a broken bone, cancer, etc.--doctors can do amazing things.  But the health system is not set up to keep people healthy, so it really does come down to doing your own research and living your life correctly.  (Note that I'm not saying there's not plenty that can go wrong with your body that even the healthiest living can't prevent.)




Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: stoneaxe on December 13, 2010, 08:29:24 PM
Very well said PDX.
Understanding and education extend even to when things do go wrong though. Docs are like anyone else...they'll tend to recommend what they know. Unfortunately there are some (rare I think) that make ninja's point though....some will recommend what they'll get paid for. I found in my own case the former...depending on the specialty of the Doc I spoke with it was cut the sucker out or nuke it untill its dead. It wasn't that they were dishonest...just focused on what they know. I just wish someone could have told me it was a bad wire all along.... ;D
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on December 13, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
Docs are like anyone else...they'll tend to recommend what they know.
I can't believe that!  Although personally, I think you probably could have made just as good of a recovery if you'd skipped all the medical treatments and just built yourself a new custom house. 
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: PonoBill on December 13, 2010, 10:08:48 PM
I'm still working on this Xtreme Geezer site--probably getting too wrapped around the axle with adding cool technology, I should just roll it out--but one of the test posts is one I wrote on nutrition. specifically the approach I'm taking to get rid of this fifty pound backpack o' blubber. I'm extremely pleased with the results so far, and it is a lifestyle that I believe I can maintain the rest of my life.

Here's the link: http://www.xgeez.com/category/health/nutrition/ (http://www.xgeez.com/category/health/nutrition/) Glycemic Index is a big part, and the nutritiionist I used did metabolic typing to get me going.

I also wrote an article on coping with injuries. When I get my ducks in a row I'll cross post these to Ke Nalu, but they are here on Xgeez now acting as filler to let me get the bugs out of the site: http://www.xgeez.com/2010/12/team-advil/ (http://www.xgeez.com/2010/12/team-advil/)
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: gorgebob on December 13, 2010, 10:50:23 PM
Taking notes on geezerdom, its book marked. Could prove useful. Will let you know on its effect on my 5 and 8 year old family members. Their starting to catch me. Run away, run away.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: PonoBill on December 13, 2010, 10:51:49 PM
Just keep running.
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on December 13, 2010, 11:49:55 PM
That's the best. most concise article on healthy eating that I've ever read.   

Also inspiring, because it makes sense, it isn't weird, and it's not a lot different than how I eat now anyway, except for the cookies and Halloween candy.  And pasta. 

And I like that it is about healthy eating, versus "dieting". 
Title: Re: what are you doing ?
Post by: pdxmike on December 19, 2010, 04:16:27 PM
Here's the link: http://www.xgeez.com/category/health/nutrition/ (http://www.xgeez.com/category/health/nutrition/) Glycemic Index is a big part, and the nutritiionist I used did metabolic typing to get me going.
This is working pretty well for me, as long as Reese's Peanut Butter Cups count as lean protein. 
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