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Stand Up Paddle => Wind Powered => Topic started by: DavidJohn on June 19, 2010, 08:56:57 PM
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Yesterday I had posted a windsurfing vid in the DW section of the forum but maybe I should have posted it here.
This is a short vid that I took the other day of me using a 5.7 sail on my 12' Naish Glide in about 15-20 knots of wind.
I was surprised at how well it went.. You didn't need to get right back on the tail to make it plane.. The grip felt good.. and it handled the chop very well.
It jibed really well.. This was the first sail that I've had in ages and I'm sure that after a few sessions I'll be throwing it around with more confidence.
It would be a great board for any SUP'ers that are also into windsurfing.
DJ
Wind Surf SUP. (http://www.vimeo.com/12674003)
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The secrets out
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DJ that is what I'm talkin about! ;D
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Is that on the stock fin DJ?
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Is that on the stock fin DJ?
The fin is the stock 10 1/2" Naish fin.. They come in white or the wood.. I have the wood version.
The yellow AST normally comes with the white fin and the white carbon board comes with the wood fin.
I was surprised how well it went up wind.. It didn't go into the wind like a good pointer fin but still pretty good and it was very neutral when jibing.. It's better than jibing with a pointer fin.. IMO
DJ
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/djp-2/P6180022Medium.jpg)
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DavidJohn,
Have you ever windsurfed the Glide 14? I was surprised to learn that it has an insert for a mast base. I am thinking it might be a lot of fun (until it is time to jibe or tack).
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I've not sailed my 14' Glide.. yet .. I might have to make that my next vid.
I know they go very well with a sail because here in Melbourne we have a big windsurfing race each year that goes way out into the center of the bay (about 10 klms/6 miles) and back again and last year a friend sailed his Naish 14 with a big race sail and he was the first non-formula board back.. Better than all the other fast slalom boards.. Tacking and jibing shouldn't be a problem.
I might have to big out my old North Pyro slalom sails.
DJ
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Cool. I just ordered a Glide 14. I am glad I did not give away all my old school windsurfing gear.
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I test paddled a Naish Glide 12 AST today and it did not have the mast base insert (vent plug only). Does anyone know if the 2010s are available with the insert in the 12' length?
Loved the board for paddling and it would be a real bonus to be able to use it for windsurfing too...
Thanks for any help you can offer!
Cheers,
Mike Wilson
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I test paddled a Naish Glide 12 AST today and it did not have the mast base insert (vent plug only). Does anyone know if the 2010s are available with the insert in the 12' length?
Loved the board for paddling and it would be a real bonus to be able to use it for windsurfing too...
Thanks for any help you can offer!
Cheers,
Mike Wilson
I asked my local shop about this the other day and I was told that the new models will not have the mast base insert... Bummer!
You might have to look for a shop that has the the older model.
The only models that will have the insert is the 11'6", 11'4" and 10'6" Nalu.
It's a shame because the 12' Glide windsurfs the best... Come on Naish.. Put it back.
DJ
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Thanks for the quick response! It confirms what I saw yesterday but I was hoping there might be a way to order it as an option.
Oh well, time to look for old stock or test paddle a Nalu if I decide I really have to be able to windsurf it.
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Tested my new glide 14'yesterday AST it has insert for masfot and it is a 2010.
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My 14 AST is arriving on July 11. I've got my fingers crossed. I really want to sail this board.
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I just put this vid on the DW section.. Maybe it should have gone here.
The Naish 14 goes well with a sail on it.. I should have brought a bigger sail because the wind was dieing but it was still great fun.
Maybe I should have put the standard pointer style fin back on but it still went up wind very well with my dolphin shape fin.
The board felt good with your feet against the rail and I'd love to try it again one day with a race sail.
Here's my vid.
DJ
Windsurfing the Naish 14' Glide. (http://www.vimeo.com/13242284)
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whew... that's awesome...
just purchased a 2nd hand 12'6" starboard cruiser with mast attachment... will be doing the same... can't wait.. awesome vid capture. guess you shot it multiple times as you had numerous views. May I ask though? how does it attach to mask and onto boom? I assume you have the goPro...
thanks
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hey DJ, great videos.
one question about your harness hook, seems to be upside down. whats the idea? certainly easier to unhook... which may be an advantage and drawback, I guess?
if you want to unhook in the lull I guess it will be easier... but if you powered and ripping I guess it can accidently unhook on the moguls?
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I wondered if anyone would notice that.. ;D .. Hope you don't mind a long winded answer.. :D
I've been windsurfing for so long and in the beginning we didn't even have harnesses.
We then had just a hook on a small square plate attached with straps to a harness.
Then came the spreader bar to help stop your ribs getter squashed.
Then came the V hook to help stop getting your harness lines getting caught around the hook in a catapult.
Then came the waist, seat, and all the modern day harnesses.
In the early days we all had hook up.. and then at some stage it went hook down.. I'm not sure why but some of us old guys found it hard to change.
I like jumping and staying hooked in and hook up seems to stop it falling out.. and when wave riding every time I try hook down when I bottom turn on a wave I always seem to accidentally hook myself in.. I hate that.
I guess it's just what you're used to.. The only other hook up person that I know of is and old friend and Aussie windsurfing legend.. Mark Paul.
DJ
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I've been windsurfing for so long and in the beginning we didn't even have harnesses.
We then had just a hook on a small square plate attached with straps to a harness.
yep I remember my first harness, exactly a small plate, mine was integrated with life vest. hook located in a center of your chest, right were the better part of mankind has cleavage.
old friend and Aussie windsurfing legend.. Mark Paul.
it doesn't surprise me DavidJones' friend is MarkPaul. DJ and MP ;)
with regards to hooking back during the jibe, yep it is annoying to say the least :-[
the way I was fighting this was a conseious effort to sit low, basically to level my eyes with a boom.
Listen, DJ, for a little while I am thinking may be to come to Australia for a working holiday, for a year or two... Whats better windsurfing wise, Melbourne, Sydney or Perth? I am not a snob I like everything that planes from Formula with 10.0 till 75 liters with 3.7. If I'll live close to the sailing spot how many days per week on average will I be able to sail?
And what is better SUP wise? May be I should PM you? too many questions...
Whats better SUP wise?
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Thank you , so much , for these videos DavidJohn..
To me the use of wind powered SUPs is evolving along two lines, similar to SUPs themselves.
Short fat boards that can use sails to aid in light wind wave sailing , and longer narrower boards that are useful for flat water windsurfing or windsurfing in ocean chop but not necessarily surfing shore break waves.
I was very pleased that SUPs designed for straight ahead touring applications could be successfully sailed and sailed well ..
The ideal of a dual purpose board is very appealing . There is something of a revival of longboards in the windsurfing world to use both for wave sailing and for flat water sailing such as the KONA series of boards. but these are often not primarily designed around SUP paddle applications and leave something to be desired in that arena. It is very satisfying that boards designed primarily to be paddled can be sailed well and that a person can have lots of fun doing both on the same board !
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For those in the know, no more skunked sessions! If there's enough wind, sail - if there's not enough wind, paddle.
It makes me wonder what today's watersport picture would look like if the original Windsurfer package came with a long paddle -
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I'm a hook up guy, though I've been trying to change recently, mostly because I'm sick of all these people who were in diapers when I started windsurfing telling me I'm doing it wrong. I started in the string and a ring days too.
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DJ - Any issues with the mast attachment? I bought an '09 Glide 14 with an attachment, and plan on sailing it. Thx!
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DJ - Any issues with the mast attachment? I bought an '09 Glide 14 with an attachment, and plan on sailing it. Thx!
No problems.. A lot of guys here windsurf the 12 and 14' Glide and I've not seen or heard of any issues.
DJ
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I'm pretty new to windsurfing, but not to SUP. What would be an appropriate size all around sail for a 14 glide?
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I'm pretty new to windsurfing, but not to SUP. What would be an appropriate size all around sail for a 14 glide?
I'd say somewhere between a 5m and 6m sail would be good.. The one in my vids is a 5.7m sail.
DJ
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I finally got to try the '09 Glide 14 in 10-15 knots wind with a 7.4m sail. It went right over waist high waves on the way out with no problems and planed easily. It had just a small-medium kelp fin, but kept upwind with little effort. Wasn't so easy to jibe, as expected, but very easy to uphaul. It even caught a wave coming back in with no carnage. Overall, it seemed pretty easy and fun to sail. I haven't sailed in years and managed to bounce the boom off the deck once. That took off a palm sized piece of deck pad. Oh well, small price to pay for the ability to sail it. I think Naish should really reconsider making the Glides available with a mast attachment. The 12 must be even more fun!
BTW: It even surfs, sort of ... unbelievable!
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Amundson/Aquaglide has a 11-6 SUP with a built in mast 9mm(?) standard mast screw.
Built in same factory in thailand(cobra) as the Naish boards. AST construction. Priced right.
I am new to SUP and love my board so far. Liked the option to windsurf built in so maybe I can resist the urge to buy another board longer (yes I know I will need to buy a sail, its cheaper than a new board adn trying to keep from getting that "LOOK" from the wife). Never windsurfed but one day....
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We just got the new 2012 Amundson Hawaii 10'6" and 11'4" SUP's that are windsurfable...
http://blog.surfingsports.com/2011/07/2012-amundson-sups.html (http://blog.surfingsports.com/2011/07/2012-amundson-sups.html)
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I've got a noob question; can a glide 12 or 14 be modified to accept a mast base?
I would leave it to a professional to do.
Mustangricky
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I just scored a 2010 Naish Glide - 12'
I had it SUP Surfing in head high waves with a paddle with little to no wind, off shore. Once the wind kicked up, I went to our flat water spot and rigged at 6.8 Wave Sail for some flat water fun in 10-12knt winds.
It's going to be a fun week to play in the light winds and small waves. Very easy to sail upwind and tack. I found the Gybe lost some ground so I'll need to try stepping a little further back to get more pivot.
I set it up with the standard 10.25" Naish Fin all the way forward.
I've also been trying other all around type SUPs for sailing. This Naish design is much quicker in light winds.
DJ, 12 or 14? which did you prefer to sail on?
One of my buddies has a 14' for sale. I tried it windsurfing with a 4.0 when I was just learning and can't wait to try it again!
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DJ, 12 or 14? which did you prefer to sail on?
One of my buddies has a 14' for sale. I tried it windsurfing with a 4.0 when I was just learning and can't wait to try it again!
If it's quick planing and easy turning the 12' Glide is better IMO.. But for straight line distance sailing I think the 14' Glide does it better.. Both great but I think the 12'er is the best out of the two.
I'd love to see Naish bring back the 12' Glide with the full windsurf option including foot strap screw holes etc.
DJ