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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: Rand on November 28, 2007, 07:52:55 AM
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Soooo, I was rapping with Bill Foote last week about shapes, big boards, little boards, guns etc, and it struck me how much thought and experimentation he has put into stand up. I just checked out a 13 foot by 23.5 (I think) gun he did for Alan Cadiz and talked to RR about an 11 foot design that Bill had worked out for him specifically for longer downwind wave cruises, but with the empahsis being on the wave stops along the way, not the cruising. Having some alternative things I wanted to check out myself, I asked, and Bill agreed to shape a board for me. Bill has been into this since Laird offered him one of his boards to check out while he was out of town way back when, and looking at our local breaks (and around his place), he has shaped a ton of these things since then. Cool to see. In fact the place is filled with all kinds of wave-riders. Koa tow in boards, old shool single fin shortboards, sailboards, choke longboards, funboards, etc. But...back to the point, we inked out an 8'6, 4.5 thick, 27.5 wide, wide point just back, light concave mid to double in the tail, but flat rail to rail (no Vee anywhere), pulled nose squash tail, domed deck, thin as possible (considerning the thickness) rails, that should be way interesting to try. I will snap off some shots of the blank as it progresses.
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Better to have this adiction than to be hooked on crack....jk
Aloha
Byron
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Yeah, this is more expensive. Just kidding.
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So if you see me drive off the SF with the back of my pick up empty . . . You know what it will be full of when I return :o
Let's see I'll take that board for summer, that one for winter, that one for the in and out runs down the coast, that one for the . . . 8) Geez you guys really know how to hook people! And Evan needs a little competition ::)
Must be more innovators per sq ft over there than anyplace else on earth (OK 'cept maybe Wahiawa!) Maui No Ka Oi! ;D
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MAUI NO KA OI
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Completely stoked at how this thing is shaping up. I would have loved to have had this thing for the little smoothies we had today.
Bill holding foam:
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Very nice shape. How many fins will you be running?
Aloha
Byron
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Three Futures (thruster setup). This thing has a good bit of nose kick and a lot of tail rocker, but my rocker photos did not turn out well. That will need to wait for another day.
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From the looks I am guessing more rocker than usual. Good luck.
Aloha
Byron
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He looks like a four year old boy holding up a 6'4" shortboard.
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If you could ever listen to some of his funny stories involving people like Corky Carrol..Gary Propper and Greg Noll, you would swear you were listening to your 4 year old kid. Aside from that, Bill posesses a generation of board science from shaping short-longboards, sailboards, towboards and stand-up boards. His are not the kind you trade or sell...I call his boards..functional art !
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From the looks I am guessing more rocker than usual. Good luck.
It does for sure. I had requested a good sized "paddle spot" that would remain relatively low rocker, but more than usual tail rocker and even more nose kick. How he blended that into the smooth lines that are now there, with only 8.5 feet to work with, I have no idea.
Aside from that, Bill posesses a generation of board science from shaping short-longboards, sailboards, towboards and stand-up boards. His are not the kind you trade or sell...I call his boards..functional art !
It is very cool to see this in action. Templates and tools from the last 30 years come off the walls and lines get drawn, measuremunts taken, all with people in the shaping room, and carrying on a conversation. I'm watching the hands flying around, and going, wait.. what did you..how...why...ah forget it.
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Once upon a time I had a really sweet little Foote board too... Bummers, it met its match one really big day at Kahaha few years ago.. Snapped it right in half. :(
(http://www.tracydudley.com/Surf/TD_BF.jpg)
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Now that brings back memories...
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Bill nice pics of the 8'6"board..got any thats completed or tested yet?
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Sorry, I don't have any of this style board completed yet. I'm sure Randy will give you a go on his when It's done.... BF
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Hows the board coming along Rand? The days go by like months while a new board is getting glassed, I know the feeling.
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Randy Royse called over today to tease me . He was over at Quatro and his "Roysing" board is painted, but mine is still in line. Geez, and I was trying to keep it out of mind. :)
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what ever happened to this board?
Aloha
Byron
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I think we are a few days off still. A week or so ago it had been waiting for paint and Bill thought maybe soon. With custom Stand Ups I expect to wait for glassing, so I am really trying not to think about it...but :)
By the way Byron, and No Worries, scoop us on those little 8'8's that Blane made for you. Those things looked soooo cool. Love to here how they are working.
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I think we are a few days off still. A week or so ago it had been waiting for paint and Bill thought maybe soon. With custom Stand Ups I expect to wait for glassing, so I am really trying not to think about it...but :)
By the way Byron, and No Worries, scoop us on those little 8'8's that Blane made for you. Those things looked soooo cool. Love to here how they are working.
Glad to hear it is almost done.
The 8'8 is a fun board that is very floaty and fast on the waves. Manuverability is like my short boards. The board does not work well in any kind of wind condition over 10 mph. I was testing it in all conditions and it is best on glassy and not more than 10 mph winds. I am going to order another custom in about a month that is thinner and less wide. I am trying to get the nose area more refined and a little more rocker involved for my surfing style. I have been playing around with my 9'0 C-4 (Batwing), 9'6 C-4 (Swallow) and 10'0 BK C-4 for ideas. My fun is playing around with design and refinement of boards. I suffer ADD. ****Pictures and videos will be coming in the next few months as my daughter puts it together.
Aloha
Byron
P.S. Another cool downwind run is mud flats to the cove. 20 plus yard glides if the wind and current is right.
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By the way Byron, and No Worries, scoop us on those little 8'8's that Blane made for you. Those things looked soooo cool. Love to here how they are working.
Unfortunately haven't had much time in the water lately... did get a couple nice overhead Kanaha days, one glassy, one kinda windy but totally love this board. I'm amazed at how easy it is to ride and catch even the tiniest bump. Had it out out 1K Peaks last weekend in some waist high glass and was just loving it. I dont usually SUP when its windy but definitely works better than the 9'6" in less than perfect conditions.... Cant really tell ya why it works better, it just does. Next time I see ya Rand or Chan, you'll have to try it... Think it will be my main board for awhile... paddles good and love that I can just toss it in the back of the truck and dont have to strap it on the racks....
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Cool to hear guys.
They sound like they are as fun as they looked. Well, you can for sure say you were among the first to be riding boards of that size that were shaped for Stand Up. I am guessing that if a dozen have been shaped anywhere that that would be a lot. Cool times.
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Wow, I know how you feel. Anticipation...
Bill shaped a board for me too and I am soo anxious to get on it! Making do riding my ol trusty 12' and one of his production boards that are really fun but I find myself trying to imagine what the new one is going to be like.
Bill say's I'm gonna work hard but it's really going to rip. I like the sound of that.
This really is an addiction. I am already thinking about more...
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Whooohh!
Too stoked for words.
(http://www.standupzone.com/861.jpg)
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What are the specs?
Aloha
Byron
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2 lb EPS with a glued in Poplar stringer. 4/6 cloth on the bottom, 4/6 on the deck, then another patch from the paddling area back to the tail and finally a carbon patch under the paddling area. On top of that, the paint process. It is very light, but not blow-away light. The nose rocker is right around 6 inches (most of it a pretty sudden tip flip). The tail is right around 4 1/8. The rest is in the first post of the thread.
WooooHoooo!
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Now that's interesting with the thruster set up. Can't wait to read about how it works.
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That's a clean looking board! We're all waiting for feedback... and more pictures!
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Very nice. What are the specs on that?
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Very nice. What are the specs on that?
Hi Moto,
This is the finished product of the 8'6 from the first post in this thread. Here is a snip:
8'6, 4.5 thick, 27.5 wide, wide point just back, light concave mid to double in the tail, but flat rail to rail (no Vee anywhere), pulled nose squash tail, domed deck, thin as possible (considerning the thickness) rails.
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It looks like the board is painted over the glass job, like a pop out. Why would you do that?
One feature I like about custom boards, is no paint to chip or scratch.
Was the resin not clear? No sandwich right?
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Just got back from a 2 hour maiden voyage at Kanaha. It was windless, chest to shoulder and mostly really mushy. Occasionally, however a little better set would show up that would start off slow, but set up a little bit steeper open face right that would hold for 50 or so feet right over the inner reef. Some of these were really fun.
I am really excited about this board. I just didn't know what to expect. I thought I might be ploopping in all the time just paddling around and really struggling. I had prepped myself for that. Not so. It paddles well. No speed demon, but fine. Way better than I thought, actually. This is not to say that I did not dork out on occasion and fall for no apparent reason. I did (I always do-at least once a day).
But, holy shit! This thing is rediculously fun on a wave. It gets in easy enough, I found no catchy spots, and it builds speed really well. Utra responsive. Not really an in the flats bottom turning day, so no comment there yet. Two fun little floats though. I can't wait to try it out on some fun waves.
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It looks like the board is painted over the glass job, like a pop out. Why would you do that?
One feature I like about custom boards, is no paint to chip or scratch.
Was the resin not clear? No sandwich right?
This is Quatro's construction. The use the amber colored epoxy due to (what is supposed to be) its superior strength and chip resistance. Also the carbon patches they use would look odd anyways so....paint it is. I put Mastik back on my paddle for just that reason.
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A couple things from today,
First off, thanks large to whomever it was that suggested putting colored electric tape over a single layer of mastik on the blade. No more smudges anywhere. I went with some white tape, it sticks perfectly to the Mastik and nothing to ink up your rails. GREAT TIP!
I found another thing to love about this board today. The pulled nose with the added kick at the end really helps in flatwater tracking. A board of this size with small fins would tend to wander, but with that thin nose and kick, you can just edge in really significantly, dip the rail on your paddle side, and not worry about plowing a sunken full nose rail. Same thing lets you take off with way more angle on a wave, and when rolling over a pile, no thoughts about sticking the trough side nose edge (its not there). Nice.
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Not to change the subject but Mr. Clean Magic eraser will take off all the black marks. It is a sponge that leaves no scratches.
Aloha
Byron
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Thanks Byron,
Great tip. Check out the colored electric tape over Mastik option as well. Added side bonus is good visibility if you were to yard sale and lose your paddle. Also, it slides rather than grips if it brushes against a surface. That Mastik is some tacky shtuff.
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Rand,
You said the 8'6" has a domed deck. Can you comment on how you like the domed deck compared to other standups that have flat decks. I've got an import board that I picked up that has a domed deck and don't care for it too much compared to the flat deck on my Ron House. To me the domed deck causes me to have a wider stance than I would prefer and I think it adds to the instability of the board. However, I'm sure Bill Foote does a better job with the deck than the one I have.
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You said the 8'6" has a domed deck. Can you comment on how you like the domed deck compared to other standups that have flat decks. I've got an import board that I picked up that has a domed deck and don't care for it too much compared to the flat deck on my Ron House. To me the domed deck causes me to have a wider stance than I would prefer and I think it adds to the instability of the board. However, I'm sure Bill Foote does a better job with the deck than the one I have.
Hi jd,
Mostly preference, I'm sure.
I have had boards with domed, flat and concave decks, and I prefer a little dome. My natural stance on this board falls where it has light angle, and that just feels comfortable to me. To have kept the board flat to that same spot would have meant a thicker rail, a more rushed transition to the same thickness rail, or a wider board. Also it allows a bit more volume to be "hidden" near the stringer. Additionally, in paralell paddling stance, your feet are closer to the surface of the water, which makes more sense to me for balance than being at the board's thickest spot. I definately like the dome better when surfing.
I asked for dome, and Bill did a great job with balacing that and all of the other stuff. Always amazed that shapers can listen to us yammer on about I want this, and I like that, and still make a working board out of it.