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Title: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on April 03, 2022, 12:52:25 PM
I considered starting a new thread for each new one, but let's see if one thread is sufficient for the time being.

There are three new wings that have caught my eye that have just been launched:

Takuma RS - have put deposit for pre orders on the 5.1, 4.3 and 3.5 with nothing but the brochure and my gut to guide me. The shop I'm buying through as said they're pre-ordering out fast which either means that supply is limited or interest high or both. Whatever, at least it's not just me who's taking a punt on these. I hope they perform as well as they look on paper, and would appreciate a review or two before I have to complete the payment to put my mind at ease!

Nova V2 - couple of reviews have landed in the last few days with general feedback being handles are great, flags very well (despite being heavy on the scales), decent power and nicely balanced. Interesting to me as they are very different to the V1 so a clear shift in thought, so a step up in performance you'd hope. Superficially look similar outline to my current Slicks which begs the obvious comparison if anyone has ridden both.

Airush Nitro - premium pricing due to Hookipa fabric. Again, very little out there in terms of reviews so interesting to hear how it stacks against the Aluula wings... The Nitro info quotes 'proven Ultra PE load frame' which I assume are the radial canopy seams you can see (which I think are in Hookipa too), which is a development I've been hoping for to improve canopy longevity / reduces bagging out. I'm going with the cheaper monofilm option of the RS for the moment.

Does anyone have first hand experience on these and could share? What do people think? Anything else that looks good that hasn't been discussed in depth yet...

Hoping to get the RS's in May so will share my thoughts when I can.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Wingfoil2001 on April 03, 2022, 02:34:22 PM
Interesting that most brands are heading in the fixed handle direction. It is definitely superior for control of roll and makes tacks etc so much easier as your not looking for the handles on your back hand.
Iím on slicks, after struggling with tacks awhile ago I had a slick demo, instant success, almost cheating. Iíve belted the board with the boom a few times and I wonder how the boards will handle the hard corners of the handles during a stink bug.
I saw a pick of a Slingshot boomed wing, so maybe the Slick wonít be the only boomed option now the Echo is gone.
Weight versus longevity is always an issue, Iím on the side of paying for standard cloth but replacing the wings more often. After my foil has gone through canopies on a few occasions wings are a more disposable item than kites.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: jondrums on April 03, 2022, 08:01:48 PM
I had my first session on the 2022 Duotone unit.  The handles are really great, and the wing goes upwind like crazy.  Coming from the Slick the unit handles are a good compromise, though some of my boom habits don't transfer.  Namely grabbing right in between the handles.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on April 07, 2022, 09:24:53 AM
I've heard that some brands will be branching out and offering different wings for free-ride, riding surf and racing -- reminds me of windsurfing and how specialization eventually hurt sales and resulted in the general public losing interest -- it was huge in the early 1980's and now it's a rarity where I am. 

Anyway, I suspect we'll see some really fast development, especially with new fabric for the wings, which means they'll get more and more expensive especially the wings developed for racing. 

I'm very interested in the Takuma RS -- the handles look interesting but I'm not sure about the long battens along the the bottom of the "L" part of the strut -- how do you pack them up?  The new North looks good but then the weight may be an issue.  What if Duotone introduces a "new" Slick with new materials and a new super light boom?  Things are changing so fast that you may put in an order today and tomorrow wish you had waited a couple of weeks.  If you already have wings that work well for you then waiting for things to sort themselves out could be the way to go. It's not as much fun but it is prudent.  One of the things I've discovered in life is that "new and improved" is not always better -- sometimes it's a step sideways or even an expensive step backwards.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: StellaBlu on April 07, 2022, 10:18:35 AM
What if Duotone introduces a "new" Slick with new materials and a new super light boom? 

I hear this exact wing is coming soon from Duotone...

To the broader point, I have everything from Aluula wings, to direct to consumer non-branded wings.  The premium stuff is better, but I'm not convinced that its worth the price - particularly when it only lasts a season and a half.  I think a Takoon quiver is 95% as good as anything out there right now (95% because its less durable and "premium", but probably rides 99% as good as anything) and feels like the right move in a market that is evolving so quickly. 
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Wingfoil2001 on April 07, 2022, 02:21:14 PM
An Aluula Slick is a great option, with the boom spreading the load on the strut it should avoid the damage I saw on a OR wing. The guy pumped it like crazy, going out in very light winds and the Aluula started to fail around the handle connection area, luckily replaced under warranty.

Might have to save some pennies for when they are released.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: surfcowboy on April 07, 2022, 06:45:45 PM
Just heard from a buddy that the Cabrinha Mantis V2's are pretty nice. He's calling them game changers. I loved the V1.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Dwight (DW) on April 10, 2022, 11:40:15 AM
It took longer than it should have, but it sure looks like boom/handles are the future.

All these brands have booms or prototypes of booms.

Gaastra,
GoFoil
Takuma
Slingshot
Duotone
BRM
Dakine
Cabrinha
Epic
North
Ocean Rodeo
Hot Sails Maui
Vayu
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: SurfIC on April 10, 2022, 12:00:37 PM
Just my observation but a couple of the V3's of 2 top brands have been a huge disappointment. I bought and sold 1 quickly and a sponsored rider friend of mine told me how the V3 of another brand in his words is "crap" and the V2 is far better. I would always recommend testing as just "cos it's new" doesn't mean it's better. I'm not going to name brands as that's not my point. I think the jump from 1st version to 2nd version was a bigger leap than the latest. I also think brands have realised the demographic and subsequent spending power of the majority of wingers and are producing what boils down to "go faster stripes"..and charging ridiculous money.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Caribsurf on April 10, 2022, 01:10:55 PM
I LOVE my Cabrinha Mantis 2001 model...such a great handle system . My wing foiling has improved the moment I used these..such a solid feel and easy to find without looking.  Lightweight and easy to pack for travel.  I am sure the V2 is even better, but I saved a couple hundred$ buying last yearís model.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: kwhilden on April 10, 2022, 06:26:17 PM
As an ex windsurfer, I'm very interested in the boom-style handle.  Seems like the Duotone Slick is still the best example of that. 

Does anyone have an opinion on the Slick compares to the newer boom style wings? 

Since I'm just getting into this sport... I'm looking at the Slick.  I also have a connection to Starboard, and generally like their brand, so I'm looking at the Freewing Air V2. 
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Caribsurf on April 10, 2022, 08:40:00 PM
As a windsurfer, I own the original Duotone and loved the boom, however felt it was heavy and not good for travel, and when I was first learning, the boom gave my board a couple of dings on crashes. I knew I wanted some form of boom, and the mini booms on Cabrinha were perfect for me and felt close to a full boom.  I see a lot of people using and loving the Duotone Slick which has the full boom.  Either way, I think you will find the feeling familiar coming from windsurfing.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: gneve_foil on April 11, 2022, 10:05:48 AM
I had my first session on the 2022 Duotone unit.  The handles are really great, and the wing goes upwind like crazy.  Coming from the Slick the unit handles are a good compromise, though some of my boom habits don't transfer.  Namely grabbing right in between the handles.

I, too, just had my first session on the Duotone Unit v2 (4m) and the handles are fantastic. I had gotten used to my F-one Strike CWC 6m handles but the rigid ones on the Unit are great.

The inflation system leaves something to be desired when compare to the Strike. For example, the neoprene cover over the valve on the Strike is really good for keeping blowing sand out of the valve. You'd think every wing (my old Wasp had this) would have this type of protection.

Upwind performance is excellent given the wing shape and extremely rigid canopy.

Not a fan of the windows as they force me to move the wing into position to see through them when it is just easier to lift the wing up. That being said, I don't ride where there are many other people. Once I get the steps down in terms of deflating and putting the wing away, perhaps I won't mind the windows so much.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on April 12, 2022, 06:22:03 AM
First review of the Nitro that I've seen. Short and shame about the sound quality but don't think there's anything too surprising mentioned. It's light, stiff and drifts well. Reading between the lines might be a handful overpowered so maybe you need to alter pressure according to conditions? Would like to hear more!

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CcPwI0hIPee/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on April 12, 2022, 09:26:22 AM
Dwight forgot one of the newer boomed wings (looks interesting):

https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-sz-001&ei=UTF-8&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=sz&param1=17478&param2=eyJzZXJwR2VvUmVkIjoieWVzIiwiZXh0VGFncyI6WyJmbG93X250c19tYXBzMl9jdGlsZXMiXSwiYnJvd3Nlck5hbWUiOiJDaHJvbWUiLCJicm93c2VyVmVyc2lvbiI6IjEwMCIsImV4dFZlcnNpb24iOiJob3N0ZWQiLCJleHROYW1lIjoiRGlyZWN0aW9ucyBGb3VuZCIsImNsaWNrU3JjIjoieWhzX3N5biIsImNocm9tZVN0b3JlSWQiOiJubmtoYWxmY2tpbmlkbWVwbmdva2NiYmZvb2lhZ2xwZSIsImlzUmVsZWFzZSI6MSwic2VsVGhlbWUiOiJmbG93X250c19tYXBzMl9jdGlsZXMiLCJkb21haW4iOiJ3d3cuZGlyZWN0aW9uc2ZvdW5kbnQuY29tIiwiYXV0b1N1Z2dlc3RDbGsiOiJvcmdhbmljIiwib3JTcmMiOiJuZXd0YWIiLCJpY2ciOiIwIiwiaGZldyI6IiIsInJldl9zcmMiOiIxIiwicmVFbmdhZ2VkVXNlciI6ZmFsc2UsIkRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbl9EYXRlIjoiMjAxOS0xMC0zMVQyMDoxOTowOC4wMDAwMDBaIn0&param3=13&p=eveight+wfs+wing+foiling&type=type7095192-sv7-dGFnUTEyMzI3OTMtbWFwcw-f3e0f26ec3c0b09c89e756a608b9c474#id=4&vid=78f9322aa8224005a75608aeaab1cec0&action=view
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on April 12, 2022, 10:17:05 AM
Dwight forgot one of the newer boomed wings (looks interesting)...
Good catch, although technically not a 'new' wing with boom handles. The Eleveight V1 had them too...
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Dwight (DW) on April 13, 2022, 03:25:15 AM
First review of the Nitro that I've seen. Short and shame about the sound quality but don't think there's anything too surprising mentioned. It's light, stiff and drifts well. Reading between the lines might be a handful overpowered so maybe you need to alter pressure according to conditions? Would like to hear more!

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CcPwI0hIPee/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Canopy looks baggy to me.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on April 13, 2022, 06:50:19 AM
Here's a video with some long sections of a foiler using what looks like a Takuma Wing/RS prototype (those handles I think are unique to the RS):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lClxT__GAAw
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: StellaBlu on April 13, 2022, 06:55:03 AM
Here's a video with some long sections of a foiler using what looks like a Takuma Wing/RS prototype (those handles I think are unique to the RS):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lClxT__GAAw

Pretty sure thats a BRM W2.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: burchas on April 13, 2022, 10:07:50 AM
Here's a video with some long sections of a foiler using what looks like a Takuma Wing/RS prototype (those handles I think are unique to the RS):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lClxT__GAAw

Pretty sure thats a BRM W2.

Definitely a BRM. The RS has X-Ply panels on the trailing edge of the canopy.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on April 14, 2022, 11:18:57 PM
Some shorts of the RS:
https://youtu.be/jbPCyKRSVNM (https://youtu.be/jbPCyKRSVNM)
https://youtu.be/d1r5hpLr2bg (https://youtu.be/d1r5hpLr2bg)
https://youtu.be/QmJdavNaRek (https://youtu.be/QmJdavNaRek)
https://youtu.be/SLz7RcEhUeA (https://youtu.be/SLz7RcEhUeA)
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on April 15, 2022, 08:17:46 AM
Here's the Takuma RS in action at Real Water Sports (he's using it while testing the new Naish foils -- it will be interesting to hear his review of this wind wing (note the batten along the lower edge of the front strut) -- this wing sure looks nice):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2mkYOQreBM
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on May 03, 2022, 01:53:39 AM
More on the Nitro. Not exactly overflowing with praise, but no significant criticisms either...

https://youtu.be/n8BjjhVIpOs

https://youtu.be/lK3VuBvBhYY
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: DavidJohn on May 03, 2022, 05:04:58 AM
I used my new Naish MK4 WingSurfer wing today..

Very different.. bigger tubes.. stiffer.. much more power.. and I love the new handles.

https://vimeo.com/705660037
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Badger on May 03, 2022, 12:37:07 PM
I used my new Naish MK4 WingSurfer wing today..

Very different.. bigger tubes.. stiffer.. much more power.. and I love the new handles.

https://vimeo.com/705660037


Looks good DJ.  I like the new colors.



Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on May 03, 2022, 02:45:54 PM
And more on the Nitro with a comparison to the DLab unit.

https://youtu.be/eS1apzSlPEM
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Dontsink on May 12, 2022, 06:44:43 AM
I have just ordered another pair of Takoons,1000 eur total.
Good ole Dacron and Ripstop,soft handles,no window.

After reading/watching every review i could find on Aluula,Hookipa,Xply,RS and  whatnot i still think  the price is too high for the improvements they give.

I was convinced they would be total gamechangers, IMHO they are not there yet.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: StellaBlu on May 12, 2022, 07:21:19 AM
I have just ordered another pair of Takoons,1000 eur total.
Good ole Dacron and Ripstop,soft handles,no window.

After reading/watching every review i could find on Aluula,Hookipa,Xply,RS and  whatnot i still think  the price is too high for the improvements they give.

I was convinced they would be total gamechangers, IMHO they are not there yet.

Ive got Takoon and OR Aluula.  The OR is a sick wing and without a doubt, it is better than the Takoon.  But the Takoon is also a great wing and particularly in smaller sizes, the difference in performance between them is pretty small.  Cost benefit is totally personal, but I agree that the price difference probably isn't justified for most people.  Its nice not to be precious about gear and for the cost of the Takoon, I don't really need to worry about inevitably beating it up.  You can also buy an extra size given the price difference to most dacron wings (multiple sizes given the difference to an Aluula wing).  I am lucky to have the resources to buy nice stuff, but if I were to build another quiver, I would seriously consider Takoon v2 for 3,4,5m (something lighter for a 7m).
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: winddoctor on May 17, 2022, 12:48:35 PM
The new KT wings are an amazing V1 effort. It's clear they've looked at many of the previous wings on the market and have added many of the desirable attributes such as low end power, stiff frame, drift stability, light weight and good handle interface. The handles are simple and light weight but it may be cool to to see Cabrinha style rigid/soft handles in the future for these wings. Like an Armstrong, I think you can size down a half size as they are pretty grunty. Even the 3m has pretty amazing low end. High end is surprisingly good too. Windsurfers familiar with the Goya brand of sails are used to a high end/premium/refined product from Jason Diffin. It'll be interesting to see where his KT wing development goes!
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on May 18, 2022, 12:57:42 PM
First proper review of the RS, compared to the new Unit.

Even more excited to get my RSs now. Sounds like they will suit me very well...

https://youtu.be/9DOJX6FIeQQ (https://youtu.be/9DOJX6FIeQQ)
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on May 19, 2022, 07:10:40 AM
Review of the KT. Like that long front strut handle in a similar way I like the RS front handle in having another option for flagging the wing out.

https://youtu.be/AGXbDZugO5M (https://youtu.be/AGXbDZugO5M)
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on May 19, 2022, 05:59:52 PM
Here's a nice overview of some of the new wings on the market (solid vs. soft handles):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQhkM98WMJ4
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on May 25, 2022, 04:08:49 PM
In this video the wing appears to be a full boom Gaastra "Poison" wing -- probably a prototype.  It will be interesting to see if we ever see a production one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSRlFs5ZctU
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on June 17, 2022, 09:10:07 AM
Takuma RS Wing in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-v1FC2ijvA
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on June 17, 2022, 11:01:13 AM
My RSs have been delayed, along with the whole European shipment apparently. An issue with the bladders that needed sorting. Current ETA is end of the month but I'm not getting my hopes up!
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on June 17, 2022, 02:47:51 PM
In the meantime, Gong have released their 2023 wings which look pretty good to me (all lighter, better etc etc) with the Neutra reminding me of the F1 wings. Still 5 models, but a more thoughtful range of sizes, within each model.

What really caught my eye was their new wing tip batten system, which they're calling the LDS (Low Drag System). The batten takes some wing tip load so the inflatable wing tip can be much thinner, meaning less drag.

They claim a world first, but that wing tip batten idea looks familiar! (Hint - check out the Takuma RS)
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on June 18, 2022, 12:17:53 PM
There's a new Slick SLS -- new materials, full carbon boom and shaped more like the new Units. Supposedly it will be released in the next couple of weeks.  The Slick will still be available.  The SLS will be more expensive but maybe you can buy it without the boom (buy one with a boom and the others without as you can with the current Slick).

When it comes to new wings it's the fast and furious!
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: PonoBill on June 19, 2022, 08:39:57 AM
I saw the new Slick at BigWinds yesterday. Looks slick. But having just purchased a 4.5 D-Lab my wallet is feeling a bit empty.

I like the D-Lab a lot, though it's taking some time to get used to. The front hand pull seems to be a thing with newer wings. I bought a Reedin X thingy, and the front-hand pull was so extreme that I gave up on it. the D-Lab isn't that unbalanced, but it's taken some fiddling to get comfortable. I moved my harness lines forward so one end is on the fake mid boom I added and the other end is on the middle of the front handle.

I've also shifted my grip forward, both hands near the front of their respective handle. I also dropped the inflation to 7 pounds when the wind is strong enough. the little bit of taco bend (it isn't much) loosens the canopy enough to shift the center of effort a bit back. I expect as this wing ages the canopy will bag a little and get more comfortable.

Power is excellent, it pulls more like a 5+. The weight is amazing, and the wing jibes on autopilot. I've been just doing my thing jibing the foil, switching my feet, and letting the wing take care of itself. As I complete the jibe the wing goes overhead to pretty much the perfect position. Swap hands and yer done. It also downwings very nicely, there hasn't been enough swell to flag it in the low position, but the weight makes it comfortable to luff it high, let it swing so it's going tail first overhead, and generally single-hand it, reaching up to grab the middle bar and tug on it when I need a little power. I tried that with my 7M F-1 CWC and the strut hit the water, followed closely by me.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Dwight (DW) on June 19, 2022, 10:40:31 AM
The front hand pull seems to be a thing with newer wings.


With the smaller D/labs, the draft moves ďforwardĒ in a gust. I only went for one D/lab, the 6.5m, so never felt this.

My thoughts were the Dacron version is so freaking good, Iíll just replace mine when the canopy bags eventually, rather than make the big spend on all D/labs. I wonít have to take the huge $$$ hit replacing D/labs, when the canopy bags.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: MikeLima on June 19, 2022, 10:43:33 AM
Iíve had a few sessions on the d lab 6, more on the normal ones. I also came from the x wings, but I feel like the handles are perfectly balanced unlike the x wings. I also feel like the range on my one dlab seems insane, and had me thinking about a 4.5/6 dlab quiver of two, if I could sell my SWX quiver maybe I would!
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: sunsetsailboards on June 20, 2022, 10:57:46 AM
There's a new Slick SLS -- new materials, full carbon boom and shaped more like the new Units. Supposedly it will be released in the next couple of weeks.  The Slick will still be available.  The SLS will be more expensive but maybe you can buy it without the boom (buy one with a boom and the others without as you can with the current Slick).

When it comes to new wings it's the fast and furious!

I have two days on the Slick SLS 4.0.  My daily driver is 3.5 D/LAB (with also a 4.5 Unit v2 for lighter days)

First day on the SLS 4.0 was light wind where there were some larger wings out there in the 6m range and other wingers on 4m.   Yesterday which was day 2, most wingers were on ~3m

The feel and range on the SLS 4.0 is great... flies similarly to the Unit v2.  Speed and upwind are also great.... logged 10 second 23.5knots

Feels super light, and there is literally nothing I do not love about this wing.  So far flags as well as my D/LAB

The new window configuration is also great, I feel I can see a lot more.

One improvement on the Unit v2, the SLS wingtip drag is almost imperceptible... it's like you hear it but don't feel it in your hands.  I ride with the wingtip really low to the water, so this is one of the things that really surprised me... I've never ridden a wing does this.

I have some stock now if anybody in the USA is looking for some.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on June 21, 2022, 02:13:24 PM
Little animation on the Gong Low Drag System (wing tip batten allowing smaller diameter wing tips). Interesting theory with some potential in my view. No idea on the significance or real world benefits.

https://youtu.be/GUfHezEcUdw (https://youtu.be/GUfHezEcUdw)
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on June 23, 2022, 10:58:52 AM
Here's a good look at the Slick SLS (supposedly available in early July although some shops have them now):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sumxLc-MBCs
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on June 25, 2022, 09:38:11 AM
Nice comparison of the SLS to the original Slick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnHvunSwBWg
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on July 03, 2022, 10:50:20 AM
Nice comparison between the SLS and new Unit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gQ1Paid7pw
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: deja vu on July 31, 2022, 12:24:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyQg7WV4vRE
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Foamranger on August 01, 2022, 10:57:25 PM
After years of resisting getting a wing with a boom I decided I needed to try one, so I went out and bought a new 5.0 SLS. One session so far, and the advantages and ease of use are real. Upwind ability, low end power, one hand riding, and ease and control during transitions was amazing. Was nailing my best tacks ever. However, after twenty minutes I grabbed the boom coming out of a fast tack and ended up with the boom in my hands and the wing flying around at the end of the leash, completely separated from wing. Fortunately, I was near shore, paddled in, and it looked like the Velcro was undone and nothing was broken. Iím often winging in cold water with a strong seaward tidal current and always try to have a self rescue plan. This was a problem I had not considered when I decided to try a boom. I quit using the Armstrong mini boom long ago because of Velcro failure. I think I attached the boom correctly and hope it stays on my next sessions. So it seems the advantages of the boom are impressive but the (not insurmountable) problem of how to best attach the boom to the strut could use some more thought. Meanwhile, I guess Iíll check the connection often, baby not manhandle that boom, and keep it out of the waves and sketchy launches
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: JohnnyTsunami on August 01, 2022, 11:36:57 PM
You can absolutely manhandle duotone boom wings. Mine are bent from handling so hard.

Contact the mfgr.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Wingfoil2001 on August 02, 2022, 01:13:29 PM
Myself and a mate have last years Slicks, although the manufacturer says one boom fits all sizes we have both found that information incorrect. He had a boom pop off, on a 4 mtr due to being too short. We now have custom carbon booms for each size, the 4 mtr is the longest, even longer than the 5.5 mtr.
Make sure when you inflate, both the front and rear ends of the boom are snug in their respective caps, we found the 4 mtr had a 3cm gap at the end which allowed the boom to pull out. No problem with a slightly longer boom.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: jondrums on August 02, 2022, 05:00:18 PM
that's the worst part about the slick - the boom coming out that rear end because its not as long as it should be.  I solved that by drilling a tiny hole through the end cap and putting a piece of line through it to tie it in place.  Doesn't take much to keep it in place
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: sunsetsailboards on August 04, 2022, 11:08:03 AM
Myself and a mate have last years Slicks, although the manufacturer says one boom fits all sizes we have both found that information incorrect. He had a boom pop off, on a 4 mtr due to being too short. We now have custom carbon booms for each size, the 4 mtr is the longest, even longer than the 5.5 mtr.
Make sure when you inflate, both the front and rear ends of the boom are snug in their respective caps, we found the 4 mtr had a 3cm gap at the end which allowed the boom to pull out. No problem with a slightly longer boom.

agree that there was something weird going on with the original 4.0.  Seems like the rear boom retainer pocket was several cm too far back.  If you pumped up the wings without the mini boom inserted and then laid the mini boom on top, the pocket ends would line up well with the ends of the mini boom on most sizes.  On the 4.0 it was off.

As with all Slicks and Slick SLS, it is important to check that the mini boom ends are fully seated halfway through inflation, and then finish pumping and recheck.  I did not have any problems with my mini boom coming out on my 4.0, but I have heard of it happening to a couple people.

If this were to happen to you on the water, one way to reinsert and get back to land is to push the tail end in first and bypass the webbing end stop piece, so you can insert the boom past its intended position.  This can give you some wiggle room to insert the front end into the pocket and get back to shore.  Probably easier said than done. 
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Foamranger on August 04, 2022, 06:08:54 PM
Update on my new SLS 5.0 boom issue. Second session- boom felt solid, no signs of it coming out of strut. Customer support rep very helpful with rigging tips- think I might not have paid attention when I attached boom first time out.
 Have gone from making 20% of my tacks to 90% in two sessions on this wing, a big deal for me making time upwind = ^^ fun.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: JohnnyTsunami on August 08, 2022, 02:32:39 PM
I've heard a lot of brands are coming out with new materials this fall. That said, I think brands struggle to move on from bad shapes in the past and rehash them, based on parking lot talk. (i.e. having a baggy canopy and a shape that doesn't like to go upwind, but putting an aluula leading edge on it isn't going to improve things much).

Things I'm looking for in a new wing coming from D-Labs for racing/free-riding:

Low-dihedral
Low-stretch canopy material (not dacron)
Non-stretching LE material and shape (not dacron/ or 10+psi dacron)
Tight canopy (required for getting on foil in the lower half of the wind range of any wing)
Non-stalling at closely sheeted angles
Rigid handles


If anyone has ridden a wing like this let me know! I know there are prototypes out there.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: jondrums on August 08, 2022, 08:46:57 PM
I love the rigid handles of my duotone unit.  It flys great and goes upwind quite well.  But damn it if it doesn't flip over every single time its in the water.  Super super annoying.  I feel like something about the leading edge shape combined with exactly where the leash attachment point is placed is unstable.  At this point, I'm looking for Duotone to figure out making a wing stable in the water and it'll be the complete package.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: burchas on August 09, 2022, 08:54:54 AM
I've heard a lot of brands are coming out with new materials this fall. That said, I think brands struggle to move on from bad shapes in the past and rehash them, based on parking lot talk. (i.e. having a baggy canopy and a shape that doesn't like to go upwind, but putting an aluula leading edge on it isn't going to improve things much).

Things I'm looking for in a new wing coming from D-Labs for racing/free-riding:

Low-dihedral
Low-stretch canopy material (not dacron)
Non-stretching LE material and shape (not dacron/ or 10+psi dacron)
Tight canopy (required for getting on foil in the lower half of the wind range of any wing)
Non-stalling at closely sheeted angles
Rigid handles


If anyone has ridden a wing like this let me know! I know there are prototypes out there.

Good points. I'll add bladder-less to the top of the list.

Not so sure why folks are raving about the Unit in general and the D/Lab specifically.
Tried both in various sizes, bought the 4m D/Lab and barely used it (hit me if you want one like new cheaper)

My Ocean Rodeo 4m running circles around this wing in almost every way that matters to me.
I really don't feel I need rigid handles for sizes 5 and down, 6 and up for sure but would choose the new
F-one Strike V2 handles on the smaller wings every time. Could even use those on the Ocean Rodeo.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Caribsurf on August 09, 2022, 10:28:30 AM
I still LOVE my Cabrinha Mantis and can't hardly think of anything I would change on it..maybe an additional dump valve, but that's a minor detail.   The handles while plenty rigid for added control are very comfortable in hand and not hard plastic.  The Mantis wing is very light and plenty powerful and well constructed.  I chose the model with windows, but you get without which result in less weight.

If you want the control of a rigid handle without a full boom,  give the Mantis a try...

Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: WingNut Ohana on August 09, 2022, 10:34:50 AM
I love the rigid handles of my duotone unit.  It flys great and goes upwind quite well.  But damn it if it doesn't flip over every single time its in the water.  Super super annoying.  I feel like something about the leading edge shape combined with exactly where the leash attachment point is placed is unstable.  At this point, I'm looking for Duotone to figure out making a wing stable in the water and it'll be the complete package.

It's called the Duotone flip! Been an issue on many of their wings.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: JohnnyTsunami on August 09, 2022, 02:07:24 PM
I've heard a lot of brands are coming out with new materials this fall. That said, I think brands struggle to move on from bad shapes in the past and rehash them, based on parking lot talk. (i.e. having a baggy canopy and a shape that doesn't like to go upwind, but putting an aluula leading edge on it isn't going to improve things much).

Things I'm looking for in a new wing coming from D-Labs for racing/free-riding:

Low-dihedral
Low-stretch canopy material (not dacron)
Non-stretching LE material and shape (not dacron/ or 10+psi dacron)
Tight canopy (required for getting on foil in the lower half of the wind range of any wing)
Non-stalling at closely sheeted angles
Rigid handles


If anyone has ridden a wing like this let me know! I know there are prototypes out there.

Good points. I'll add bladder-less to the top o

Not so sure why folks are raving about the Unit in general and the D/Lab specifically.
Tried both in various sizes, bought the 4m D/Lab and barely used it (hit me if you want one like new cheaper)

My Ocean Rodeo 4m running circles around this wing in almost every way that matters to me.
I really don't feel I need rigid handles for sizes 5 and down, 6 and up for sure but would choose the new
F-one Strike V2 handles on the smaller wings every time. Could even use those on the Ocean Rodeo.


Wild stuff.  I heard the exact opposite by at least three people who have tried both including some folks who had a quiver of OR and ditched it for units and rag on the OR stuff and the cabrinha wings.

Itís wild because there is an answer of which wing is better (not just these two) for going upwind, powered riding, pumping etc. Unfortunately all the nice reviews are done by shops who stock all the equipment they review. Even if they reviewed a gen1 unit and a dlab 2022 they would say ďIn conclusion, theyíre both nice wingsÖĒ. Haha

Not being sponsored Iím happy to s***t on a bad wing, but I have only ever had duotones (echo / slick /unit dlab) and the wings Iíve shaken in the parking lot all seem like garbage bags, but Iíve never actually had a chance to use them (Brm, ozone, north, armie, etc.)

 I just know certain protoypes are more powerful for the size than my dlabs and donít have the stalling issue that I have. Based on other people better than me racing them and trying them all. But you canít buy a prototype so Iím hoping some of these come out soon and to hear peoples feedback.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Jeroensurf on August 09, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
I never seen an OR in the flesh but tried the Dlab and Unit.
Compared to a lot of other wings they feel very direct and close to nervous. That feel got extragated by the stiff handles. I guess some like it and some (like me) don,t.
Personally I was big fan of the Smik V2 wings; light, comfortable well balanced and as quickly going as the Dlabs. That was till I tried the Mantis V2. With windows its imo too heavy but without its a very wel build and still light wing. 2.7kg for an 6m with leash is pretty okay imo and it has the best handling in the waves of all the wings I tried so far.
It has stiff handles, but because of how they designed them, they have some flex and that ads comfort. I prefer that comfortable slightly more flexy handle over the very stiff ones. In the surf the biggest difference with most wings is that it has an wide but very stiff front handle.
When flagged you need to twist your wrist to compensate on the floppy handles, with this stiff one you have way more control.
It isn't a game changer, but is something that I would love to see on more wings. I have no affiliations with Cabrinha, but liked it soo much that I ordered a 4+5 as well while my Smiks are still in very good condition. It really feels like a next gen wing.

 



 
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 09, 2022, 02:45:08 PM

 I just know certain protoypes are more powerful for the size than my dlabs and donít have the stalling issue that I have. Based on other people better than me racing them and trying them all. But you canít buy a prototype so Iím hoping some of these come out soon and to hear peoples feedback.

Iíve ridden several prototypes with Ken. Ones coming next season, and one just beginning long term durability testing, so probably a very long way out.  I know Iím in the right camp, and Iím not leaving. Duotone forever. The hack brands will get left in the dust eventually.

FYI, Ken is now focused solely on wing design. Kite design is moving to Sky Solbach. They are really getting serious on winging.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: winddoctor on August 10, 2022, 09:14:23 AM
I ride KT wings but have had the opportunity to try a pretty wide selection of brands with various handles and materials including Aluula. I really like the Slicks despite the added weight of the boom. Units are very nice too.  Duotone strikes me as having some of the most refined-looking wings on the market. Interesting thing is that going back to back with a current Aluula wing with all of the bells and whistles and then to my KT which looks quite minimalist in comparison, it's not like I'm disappointed in the performance of the KT. It's quite impressive the performance you can squeeze out of the KT and it's only a V1! Price for performance is pretty insane too. The long front handle on the KT makes tacking even in strong wind a snap as you can slide ride up behind the leading edge and shove it through the eye of the wind effortlessly. The KT just chills and hovers flagged out while you wave ride and the frame has good pumping/low end stiffness (something critical to me). All of this despite using Aluula or Hookipa, and keeping the price reasonable. Easy to fly one handed too as they nailed the balance of the centre handle. While I like seeing the exotic materials pushing the design envelope, it's also cool to see what designers can do with standard materials while keeping costs in line and performance as high as possible.
Title: Re: 2022 New Wings Thread
Post by: Solent Foiler on August 11, 2022, 01:57:04 AM
I ride KT wings but have had the opportunity to try a pretty wide selection of brands with various handles and materials including Aluula...

That's a great post, and a good reminder that design as well as materials make the wing. I admit I've been frothing over the new exotic materials over the last 12 months or so, and my new wings do have some novel material choices (when they eventually arrive!!!), but when I was deciding what I wanted next, longevity of performance was close to the top of list so that went into the mix. Having the best performing wing is great, but not so much if that performance only last 3 months before becoming average...
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