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The Foil Zone => Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP => Topic started by: Sam the Surfer on February 04, 2022, 06:27:10 PM
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I have the 1150 (known as 🦄) and purchased the 1099. I’m around 185 lb and closer to 200 lb with wetsuit and gear on. I hope it can hold me up for winging and SUP foil surfing!!
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I'm 220 and the 999 works for me though I need some speed to get up. The 1099 should be easy money.
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That is good news!! The aspect ration on the 1150 is like 7.72 and the 1099 is 10.6. Hope the ultra short fuselage and 375 rear will pair nicely.
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Well... I spoke too soon. I tried the 1099 in some challenging wind today and decided it's not for me. I thought I would be the easier, kinder, gentler brother of the 999, made to lift my fat butt easier and still glide.
Wrong, the 1099 is the crazy cousin designed to go stupid fast. I felt like a passenger on the thing. For advanced wing and surf foilers, it's probably fabulous, but for fakers like me it's a bit much.
The glide is insane, it simply won't come down. It's no easier than a 999 for getting up, in fact it might be a little harder. I had some breakfast this morning, so I'm probably 225, and I really had to pump like a loon to get rolling. Once I was up it came up to its cruising altitude and stayed there, no matter what. The wind was 20mph gusting to 30+, and I was on a 4.2, so a bit overpowered sometimes. When a gust hit, the board accelerated and then held that speed until the next gust hit. I got up to speeds that felt really sketchy, and it felt like I couldn't do anything about it. Luffing the wing didn't seem to do anything, it just stayed fast.
On the rare occasions that it wasn't doing mach 3 it turned okay, but at higher speed it needed about a full-size Costco parking lot to turn. Whether that was the wing or the fact that my nuts were hiding out in my chest cavity I really can't say.
Coming into shore was easy, I just aimed for the beach, got to about 50 feet away, and just threw myself off the board. Anything else was bound to leave scratches on the wing, and it wasn't mine. This thing glides for an indeterminate distance. I thought the 999 glided a long way. No comparison.
On the plus side, I did manage to complete a couple of tacks. I had enough time to write a letter while I was turning upwind. The second tack I did almost turned into a 360 when I discovered I had turned too far and was on a broad reach. Spooky.
Obviously, a lot of good foilers are going to love this wing. But at my current wobbly skill level, not for me. I like going fast, and I like glide, but this is crazy.
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Bill, which rear do you ride your 999 with and what did you use with the 1099? I use 325/350 on 999 and the 400 on 1099. Just saying you might be too small on the rear giving you that uncomfortable speed feeling. I find the 1099 unique that it likes more rear foil. I went sup foiling today on it and the carving speed was so addictive and I tried 350/375/400 with and without shims and 400 was the winner for me, hope to have waves tomorrow to try the 425. I use the 425 shimmed with my 1150 now.
For low end with ART foils the front of the foil is pretty flat so the bigger they get, more blunt nose to fight to get on foil but once you're up, you never come down.
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Bill, your review was amazing lol.
I thought I was the only one who feels that foils can be too fast. But now I have to try this thing.
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I spoke with Mark R. yesterday at the harbor. He had just finished a downwinder from Maliko. I saw he had the 1099 on so I asked him about it. He said it was almost too fast for his liking. Take that for whatever you will. Going as fast as possible is not always the most fun. Surfing the bumps for all their worth can be fun and almost as fast.
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Well... I spoke too soon. I tried the 1099 in some challenging wind today and decided it's not for me. I thought I would be the easier, kinder, gentler brother of the 999, made to lift my fat butt easier and still glide.
Wrong, the 1099 is the crazy cousin designed to go stupid fast. I felt like a passenger on the thing. For advanced wing and surf foilers, it's probably fabulous, but for fakers like me it's a bit much.
The glide is insane, it simply won't come down. It's no easier than a 999 for getting up, in fact it might be a little harder. I had some breakfast this morning, so I'm probably 225, and I really had to pump like a loon to get rolling. Once I was up it came up to its cruising altitude and stayed there, no matter what. The wind was 20mph gusting to 30+, and I was on a 4.2, so a bit overpowered sometimes. When a gust hit, the board accelerated and then held that speed until the next gust hit. I got up to speeds that felt really sketchy, and it felt like I couldn't do anything about it. Luffing the wing didn't seem to do anything, it just stayed fast.
On the rare occasions that it wasn't doing mach 3 it turned okay, but at higher speed it needed about a full-size Costco parking lot to turn. Whether that was the wing or the fact that my nuts were hiding out in my chest cavity I really can't say.
Coming into shore was easy, I just aimed for the beach, got to about 50 feet away, and just threw myself off the board. Anything else was bound to leave scratches on the wing, and it wasn't mine. This thing glides for an indeterminate distance. I thought the 999 glided a long way. No comparison.
On the plus side, I did manage to complete a couple of tacks. I had enough time to write a letter while I was turning upwind. The second tack I did almost turned into a 360 when I discovered I had turned too far and was on a broad reach. Spooky.
Obviously, a lot of good foilers are going to love this wing. But at my current wobbly skill level, not for me. I like going fast, and I like glide, but this is crazy.
I teared up laughing on this one!! Lol. So good!! Sounds like it might ride a bit different than my 1150.
Oh, and I bought the 375 rear because everyone says it is the bees knees. Looks like I’ll have some room to grow into it.
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Bill,
Based on my bad memory, I think you were riding the 999 with the 390 to make it better suited to your weight. So your experience has been with a drag chute on the rear compared to what lighter/younger guys have been doing.
If you continue with the 390 at the back, the 1099 will feel slightly slower than the 999. Giving only more glide and ease of use over the 999. That might be the comfortable combo.
FYI, also run my ARTs setup to my comfort level. Short fuse, not ultra short. Small tails, but not super small. I’m too old for crazy shit.
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Using an ART with a 390 would be like diving with the e-brake on.
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I switched to the 400/60 with the 999 and 1099 some time ago. I still like the 390 for the 1150 and 980.
I borrowed Mark's 1099 and rode it with the 400/60 on a black short fuse.
As I said, I think more advanced foilers will love the thing, it's just a bit too nutty for me.
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Any tried SUP foiling the 1099? Can’t wait to try it with the ultra short and 375. Also, do I need at add positive shim?
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Maiden voyage on 1099 today couple of observations being 225lbs dry definitely needs a little adjustment period to get used too for me coming off my HPS 1050,no way your going to get it wired in 30min session takes a getting used too.It’s fast for sure not sure exactly how much much faster than my 1050 with my 425 P rear but definitely a clip faster.For bigger riders it likes a nice Boeing 787 runway approach for takeoff building board speed then wing pump when speed is right timing,it does not like a jumpy pumpy technique for heavier riders for liftoff just nice steady building speed 787 runway technique.paired today with a 425P rear it hauls ass in a good manageable way felt nicely in control little twitchy at first 1/2 hr but then you settle into it,seems little slidy and perhaps for me the 420 HA rear might give it a little more bite which I’m going to try next round. Waves were small waist high on sets and got a few nice waves and felt pretty confident for first go the glide is definitely a step ahead of my 1050 which it should be for plus 10 AR it likes to be be pumped on turns/transition really comes alive wind was up and down 13-15 avg mph G 20.Overall pretty stoked on first go on the 1099 looking forward to more time in the saddle with her to really check its full potential,I would venture to say preliminarily that in unruly choppy conditions probably be better suited on my 1050/980 HPS but cleaner conditions the 1099 speed and glide is addictive,but this could change after more water time
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Any tried SUP foiling the 1099? Can’t wait to try it with the ultra short and 375. Also, do I need at add positive shim?
I SUP with it. no shim for me.
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Took the 1099/375 on a ultra short fuselage and 90 cm mast to the lake. In comparison, I use a 1150/460 or 390 on a short fuselage and 90 cm mast up to this point. It takes off way different and I pumped it too hard a few times. Then got up and flew. Then I flew across the lake until the wind died. Got some foot switches in as well. I use a 6 m F One CWC wing.
I was impressed with the stability and control as this can move fast and turn as well. After the session I looked at the map and it was only blowing 9 mph’s!?!? The thing glides so well I was up in wind I usually couldn’t continue on. Although, when the wind died I was a mile from the launch and had to wait for a gust. Amazing!!
Got up to 16.7 mph’s in mild wind. If you are looking for a wing that has a huge wind range, this might be it.
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I'll have to come wing In Idaho this summer. My Daughters both live there and I'm overdue for a visit.
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I'm going to do a motorcycle Idaho BDR ride this summer, and I plan to haul my KTM 390 in my truck to eliminate the boring interstate parts. I'll have to toss the wing foil gear in as well--two birds with one long drive.
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I'm going to do a motorcycle Idaho BDR ride this summer, and I plan to haul my KTM 390 in my truck to eliminate the boring interstate parts. I'll have to toss the wing foil gear in as well--two birds with one long drive.
Let me know, it will be a blast!!
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I have the 1150/460 & 390. Have the 1099/375 ultrashort. Light wind sessions at 9 mph and once up flies!
Went to Arlington on the Gorge Sunday. Light winds. Then slowly picked up to 15-16 with rollers.
I might have completed my quiver with the 1099 & 1150. That said, thought I would need the 1150 (can dock start with it) in the light winds. After my last 2 sessions… 1099… might be the answer.
Slogged the first bit. Learned the 1099 gets up different than the 1150. The 1150 I can hammer away like a dock start while the 1099 needs longer pumps to glide (if that makes sense). Once gliding in the water, use your back hand to lightly pump up on foil. Once up be careful… I flew all the way to Roosevelt in super light wind and then stopped. Had to slog back. It flies in hardly any wind!!
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The North Shore crew absolutely rips!! Learning a lot. The 1099/375 is amazing.
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That is a pretty awesome spot to wing right there. I know it a little bit.
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1099/375 surfs awesome as well!
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More froth for the 1099!
https://youtu.be/DErnE_y8EQU (https://youtu.be/DErnE_y8EQU)
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I've been riding the 1099 (with 350P tail) a lot more lately. A couple of thoughts:
-my 205# + wetsuit can pump the hell out of this wing. It has incredibly low drag and so much low speed lift. For sure this is the easiest wing to pump I've tried out of many many options.
-It surfs! definitely slow rail to rail, but I can rip turns on waves
-winging works really really well with the 1099/350P, BUT its pretty twitchy with such a small tail. I tried with a bunch of other tails and anything bigger totally ruins the 1099 - it gets sluggish and really not that fun.
I'm now completely divested of any other foils and just riding 899, 999, 1099 all with 350P. Those three wings are such a perfect family of 3 - very similar in that they are super low drag and smooth lift. Trading maneuverability for low speed lift across the range with dramatically different performance across the range. The 899 really is an incredible surfing wing, but it falls out of the sky if I lose any speed on the pump. All things considered, I enjoy the 999 the most because it can do everything pretty well.
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Jon, at 3/4 your weight, is it likely that I would just drop 100 across the board and use 799-999? Or does it work differently?
Also do you not find the 999 redundant? Seems really close in size. Can you speak to the difference between it and 1099?
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Nah, surprisingly the 999 and 1099 are pretty dramatically different wings (and 899 to 999 as well).
I really don’t have a great feel how these will work for a lighter person, sorry.
But if I were you, I would suggest getting on the 999 and assessing whether you wish for easier pumping. In waves, I generally want to be in the smallest gear for the amount of pumping I want to do. Some days I know it isn’t about pumping at all and just about riding waves and for those I go 899. I think so much depends on your own style and desire with respect to wave riding versus pumping.
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I’m 140lbs and have the 999 and the HPS830. The more I use the 999 with ultrashort fuse and 375p the more I like it. At this stage just winging but have downwind Sup aspirations…
I’ve also used an 899 a few times and figure I’ll probably end up with one! Certainly less glide than the insane glide I experience on the 999 but in bigger conditions it feels a little safer and I can go harder on waves and gybes. Still has way more glide than the 999. Would love to try a 799…
With more time I’ve come to realise how much range the 999 has for me, even with a 3.5 wing on a 70L 4’9 board fully powered it’s actually still fine. Such a versatile foil.
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Hi
How does the 830 compar⁷e to the 999?
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I find them reasonably similar in wind required to get on foil, the 999 gets up slightly earlier. 999 has much more glide but fully lit the 830 is pretty good in terms of glide. The big difference is that the 830 feels super secure and predictable, it turns so intuitively on a wave, it’s an absolute joy in the right conditions. I’ve had some sessions where the 999 is just doing weird shit, think it’s usually related to rapid changes of depth, maybe it’s currents, honestly not sure, but it becomes scarily unpredictable. This may also be the Axis alloy mast doing its channeling of air down to the foil trick but I think it’s more likely the depth or currents. It’s rare but I’ve had a couple of occasions where simply changing to the 830 has made the session so much more enjoyable. I usually wing in Port Philip Bay in Melbourne Oz, it’s a very big, shallow bath tub and we get strong wind and substantial wind generated swell. When it’s really strong like 25 plus knots and there is boat wake from yachts and power boats the 830 feels way easier and I end up going faster and feeling more confident to push harder.
However, the glide of the 999 is irresistible, as I’ve become more familiar with it I find myself using it more and more. My main focus is wave riding (wind swell not ground swell) with the wing flagged. Took me a while to get to that point, there is a lot to get your head around with the ART’s, learning how to pump them efficiently and stay very high on the mast, turn them etc.
if I had to pick one only it would be the 999.
Apologies for going off topic Sam
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I just got a 325P tail. I have had it with the 1099 on a Crazyshort with 86 carbon mast. My 1099 now turns like the 999. I have not had any pitch issues. Its just all better. I was on a 375P which I guess I will still use, don't know when or why. Maybe super light wind? Maybe I'll sell it and get a 300P.
I wanted to let all the 1099 owners out there that the 1099 is amazing in strong wind. Don't just use it for light wind. The glide becomes even more ridiculous when you have 20-30mph at your back. I have been able to flag out and just glide wherever I want to. It is a good reminder that my body is a wing that captures air and creates forward(downwind) drive. I didn't pay much attention to this until the 1099 happened. I feel like I need some sort of wingsuit to go with it. I predict that we will see some type of suit designed to catch air and glide soon. The glide is so efficient now, new doors are opening. I know Kai tried it with the carrot thing. I can tell a big difference between my baggy drysuit and a tight wetsuit. There is something here....
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I’ve had some sessions where the 999 is just doing weird shit, think it’s usually related to rapid changes of depth, maybe it’s currents, honestly not sure, but it becomes scarily unpredictable.
I’m getting frustrated at the same thing on the 899. I put on the gas and funky stuff happens like it wants to dive over 20mph every time. It catches me off guard as I’m leaning more forward expecting more lift and suddenly it reverses. Really hard to diagnose although I know it’s not due to a breach. Maybe eelgrass, loose stabilizer, foil sucking air? I can’t see going back to lower ar foils though, so I’m going to have to tweak things I guess.
I have a 10AR wing from another brand that has none of these problems, so it’s not a high AR thing.
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As i got good informations in this thread and the general Axis thread for my decision for what Axis gear to buy i will also throw my two cents in:
I'm an 195 lbs (88 kg) intermediate wing riding mostly on lakes and occasionally open sea - unfortunatelly no acces to waves. Still i chose the ART 899 (with 82mast, short fuse, 375p) for strong wind. And for this it is amazing. But it turned out that it is now also my first choice for all conditions - as soon i have figured out in the lower wind range, that i have to be patiened enough to wait for the right board speed before pushing it gently up . I wouldn't had believed that a 850cm² will be my Standard Wing Foil considering my frame. I have also ridden the 999 in light wind and that brings me up with the slightest pressure in the wing and can also be pumped like an low aspect foil. But i like the 899 so much more for beeing even faster and for throwing fast, hard turning jibes and tacks as the 999 has to much lift for this IMO. In the tacks i have to take care to be fast enough but with the jibes i usually can't stall the 899 as you loose hardly any speed. In really powered conditions i tried the 799, which makes then jibes and turns even more fun - but this foil would be defenitely to small for me for lighter winds.
Matt Nuzzo shimmed the tail (in the way to reduce lift (lifting the front edge of the stabilizer)) and reports to got it faster with even less drag - has anyone similar results with shimming or other tails?
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I believe the 8/9/1099 are all a bit more susceptible to water turbulence then a lot of the thicker lower aspect surf style wings. I can even feel it crossing behind another winger's wake in the water. But even more so going through disturbed white-water from a broken wave. It can be downright scary riding through foamy water or the edge of a rip current. Especially with the flexiness in the wings, it gets really wiggly.
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Hmm, that's the opposite of my experience, though I'm not usually dealing with turbulence, more often it's swell and waves. At my weight, the 999 cuts through a swell like it isn't there. You can follow the contour of the swell or a wave if you like. but it takes conscious control. If you just go straight on it slices through with no effect. My board sometimes touches the top of a swell and that's the only signal I get that I've just powered through one.
The other day I was getting bashed around by chop and swell on a 40+mph day on my 980. I mentioned to Stephen Ross when we were packing up that if I had been on the 999 I wouldn't have felt a thing, but I would have hit Mach one on the downwind leg of jibes.
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Matt Nuzzo shimmed the tail (in the way to reduce lift (lifting the front edge of the stabilizer)) and reports to got it faster with even less drag - has anyone similar results with shimming or other tails?
Yes - tried the 799 with 325 on US fuse shimmed leading edge up and pitch control became an issue. It was really rough, choppy conditions but not usual for here so swapped in a trailing edge up shim and felt a tiny bit less glide but the pitch control was way better so could push harder.
Not had any weird behaviour from any of my ARTs, but my first guess would be mast ventilation if it's dropping out on you. These are wide wings so will have more leverage to push the mast around when going through turbulence but I haven't noticed anything unusual compared to other foils there either (going through propeller wash etc), but I'm not usually in waves.
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I tried shimming the back of the stab up(increasing lift) with the Axis shim that came with my 980. I was on the 1099/375p/CS/86 carbon and it did exactly what I expected. Stall speed seemed slightly higher which allowed me to slow down to the speed of the chop. It also lifted off sooner than without. The problem is that I have become such a "Drag Whore" that none of the benefits outweighed the problem of added drag.
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I tried shimming the back of the stab up(increasing lift) with the Axis shim that came with my 980. I was on the 1099/375p/CS/86 carbon and it did exactly what I expected. Stall speed seemed slightly higher which allowed me to slow down to the speed of the chop. It also lifted off sooner than without. The problem is that I have become such a "Drag Whore" that none of the benefits outweighed the problem of added drag.
Ditto. I shimmed the heck out of the front screw (less lift) my 390 to reduce the drag, and it made for a nice, easy-to-manage combo. But currently, I ride the 999 with a 400/60 and it's well mannered just as is. If the wind is strong and I want some more control I put the 390 back on, but it feels like I'm dragging a brake.
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Good to hear all your experiences from shimming - As i would like to use my 999 for the lighter days with still having fun in jibes i will try to shim it for less lift with the hope to get rid of the tons of lift in harder turns. Maybe the short fuse helps with not getting it too pitchy. Maybe i will loose all the benefits of getting up in light conditions. However, i will try and report.
I also didn't expect any strange things when pushing (going up to 40km/h ) the 799, 899 or 999 through all kind of rough waters. Although i have experinced strange "stalls" even in flat water when trying to "speed" with the 890 (with 390 tail).
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I put on the gas and funky stuff happens like it wants to dive over 20mph every time.
The rear stab is there to stop that. Usually when this happens, it’s the stab. Wrong size, wrong shim, etc. Need a given counter force to stop the dive at that speed. With the right counter force you will hit a wall top end wise, but no more nose dives. You are at the limit for a given front wing.
The progressive tails are the best at preventing nose dives, while not adding drag. That was the magic sauce when I first rode the prototype.
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Winds were 10-16 today. The 1099 is unbelievable. Hit over 20 mphs in 12-16 mph wind. The ultra short fuselage and 375 rear cranks turns. In fact, I was getting the tip out of the water during jibes. Amazing!!
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First time out on the 1099, with 325 and US and it's fast, faster than I was expecting, turns way better than I was expecting, all with an easy take off, good control and that gliiiiiiiiide. It was fun, which given its size for a lightweight like me, isn't something I had taken for granted. It's still a wide wing so a bit slower to respond than the smaller ARTs, but nothing that you wouldn't get used to.
The ART range of foils continue to impress me, all clearly related, in terms of feel and performance, but all offering something a bit different meanings they all have a place. I'm using use the 325 US combo for all of them, with +1 shim (tail edge up), just moving the mast a bit to keep the balance.
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The ART range of foils continue to impress me, all clearly related, in terms of feel and performance, but all offering something a bit different meanings they all have a place. I'm using use the 325 US combo for all of them, with +1 shim (tail edge up), just moving the mast a bit to keep the balance.
totally agree on the ART range of foils! I started with +1deg like you said, but lately I've been liking 0 to -0.5deg on the tail. Glide is better and I just move the baseplate forward an inch or so to compensate.
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The ART range of foils continue to impress me, all clearly related, in terms of feel and performance, but all offering something a bit different meanings they all have a place. I'm using use the 325 US combo for all of them, with +1 shim (tail edge up), just moving the mast a bit to keep the balance.
totally agree on the ART range of foils! I started with +1deg like you said, but lately I've been liking 0 to -0.5deg on the tail. Glide is better and I just move the baseplate forward an inch or so to compensate.
Yes, on the 350 I didn't feel like I needed a shim, but on the 325 things got a little pitchy so the shim helps quieten that down, while keeping the loose rolling. Agree it glides a little less, but the control is worth it for me, and it's a pretty small, low drag stab in any case!
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Holy Crap, the 1099 is so good. I've been on the KDFoils 12" tail (http://"https://kdfoils.myshopify.com/collections/tail-wings/products/12-tailwing") for the last two weeks in small glassy gutless surf. This wing surfs so so so well when there is no power in the wave. Of course, I'd rather be on a smaller foil, but when the waves are small this is the setup. The setup is just a little more twitchy and less forgiving on the pump - but still pumps perfectly fine. The surfing is just so much better and the downsides are barely a downgrade.
I alternated tails between KDFoils 12, 13.5 and 15 as well as Axis 350P tail (very similar to 13.5" KD).
The 15" with 1099 is a dog even though its a really great tail
The 13.5" and 350P ride fantastic and really make the foil super fun
The 12" is a game-changer
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The setup is just a little more twitchy and less forgiving on the pump - but still pumps perfectly fine. The surfing is just so much better and the downsides are barely a downgrade.
When you get your new Power Carbon High Mod mast, that "twitchy and less forgiving on the pump" feeling will go away. The new masts are freakin' incredible!
I alternated tails between KDFoils 12, 13.5 and 15 as well as Axis 350P tail (very similar to 13.5" KD).
The 15" with 1099 is a dog even though its a really great tail
The 13.5" and 350P ride fantastic and really make the foil super fun
The 12" is a game-changer
I've not ridden the KD tails, but have found that going smaller on the tails with the ARTs (and now even my BSC wings) is where it's at. Have been on the 350 with them, and next outing going to throw on the 325P, and who knows, maybe the 300P at some point.
Also, if you ever down this way, let's get you demoing the new "Advanced" fuses...they too are "game-changers" as well as you say.
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I do expect the 300P to be very very similar to the KD 12"
Not sure and I don't want to implicate anyone, but to my eye the progressive tails are pretty close to a copy of the KD tails
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Hey Califoilia, not wanting to steer the post away from the 1099 but can you please expand on how the standard and new Advanced fuses compare when used with the ART’s. Thanks
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Holy Crap, the 1099 is so good. I've been on the KDFoils 12" tail (http://"https://kdfoils.myshopify.com/collections/tail-wings/products/12-tailwing") for the last two weeks in small glassy gutless surf. This wing surfs so so so well when there is no power in the wave. Of course, I'd rather be on a smaller foil, but when the waves are small this is the setup. The setup is just a little more twitchy and less forgiving on the pump - but still pumps perfectly fine. The surfing is just so much better and the downsides are barely a downgrade.
I alternated tails between KDFoils 12, 13.5 and 15 as well as Axis 350P tail (very similar to 13.5" KD).
The 15" with 1099 is a dog even though its a really great tail
The 13.5" and 350P ride fantastic and really make the foil super fun
The 12" is a game-changer
The 1099 continues to blow me away. I have been playing with a couple of things that dramatically improve the performance for winging. Crazy short/325P/82 old carbon(first time I have said that)
1. flying it just below the surface.
2. slow down
The combo of both of these brings this wing to life. The 1099 is a fast wing but the roll gets seriously locked in at speed so, turning is very limited. I have been taking it down to maybe 8-12 mph and all of a sudden I can rip radical turns full 180 degrees as if I am on a small surf wing. I feel like the wing is performing at its optimal speed.
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The 1099 continues to blow me away. I have been playing with a couple of things that dramatically improve the performance for winging. Crazy short/325P/82 old carbon(first time I have said that)
1. flying it just below the surface.
2. slow down
The combo of both of these brings this wing to life. The 1099 is a fast wing but the roll gets seriously locked in at speed so, turning is very limited. I have been taking it down to maybe 8-12 mph and all of a sudden I can rip radical turns full 180 degrees as if I am on a small surf wing. I feel like the wing is performing at its optimal speed.
Interesting!
When SUP foil surfing in California I found that the 1099 likes to go 12 to 14 mph. The 999 runs 2 mph hotter happy at 16 and OK at 14 mph.
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I have migrated to the East Coast surfing mostly in 'Central Rhode Island.'
In California during the spring an average day would be 8 feet @ 10 seconds with chop. When the wind picked up I was on the 1099 winging at mushroom rock and out to Mavericks. As Haley Fiske says "There is no easy in at Mavericks." We thought we would be winging all over the place but when it's big, aka 12 feet++ at 12 seconds++ you have to flirt the line with reef. Consequences can be significant. Not so much death but certainly loss of all gear. When I have been out I always rig bigger wings and use the 1099 because I want to fly. The 1099 has worked for me on a 6ft board with a 5.0 & 7.0 meter sail in open ocean swells of 15 feet or more.
Fast forward to June, East coast, waves were 2.8 feet @ 7 seconds. SMALL and SLOW, 2 to 3.5 foot faces. On the 1099 with 375P tail. I switched from a 90 cm mast to 68 cm and immediately noticed the reduced stability. This was in yaw (the board wouldn't paddle straight), roll (much more wobbly), and PITCH - THE RIG WOULD PUMP
The foil crew out here are mostly prone and younger aka << 45 years old. The older guys ride SUP foil boards. The lead prone dog is a guy named Ryan his tracks look like spaghetti. I figured it was small, I was on a short mast, so why not pump around. When I would turn off the wave with speed I would think in my head "Wow I am at 100% let go hunting." My tracks are starting to get squiggly. All 1099
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I have migrated to the East Coast surfing mostly in 'Central Rhode Island.'
In California during the spring an average day would be 8 feet @ 10 seconds with chop. When the wind picked up I was on the 1099 winging at mushroom rock and out to Mavericks. As Haley Fiske says "There is no easy in at Mavericks." We thought we would be winging all over the place but when it's big, aka 12 feet++ at 12 seconds++ you have to flirt the line with reef. Consequences can be significant. Not so much death but certainly loss of all gear. When I have been out I always rig bigger wings and use the 1099 because I want to fly. The 1099 has worked for me on a 6ft board with a 5.0 & 7.0 meter sail in open ocean swells of 15 feet or more.
Fast forward to June, East coast, waves were 2.8 feet @ 7 seconds. SMALL and SLOW, 2 to 3.5 foot faces. On the 1099 with 375P tail. I switched from a 90 cm mast to 68 cm and immediately noticed the reduced stability. This was in yaw (the board wouldn't paddle straight), roll (much more wobbly), and PITCH - THE RIG WOULD PUMP
The foil crew out here are mostly prone and younger aka << 45 years old. The older guys ride SUP foil boards. The lead prone dog is a guy named Ryan his tracks look like spaghetti. I figured it was small, I was on a short mast, so why not pump around. When I would turn off the wave with speed I would think in my head "Wow I am at 100% let go hunting." My tracks are starting to get squiggly. All 1099
How fast are your speeds on the 1099 Beashu?
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Speaking of squiggly lines...
Even with the short fuse and 420 it's actually starting to turn pretty well.
Part of yesterday's downwinder;
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I should probably revisit the 1099. I tried it once and used up two Costco parking lots turning the thing. I was also out of control most of the time, going too fast. I felt like a passenger. Slowing the thing down probably makes it a better wing. I'm addicted to the 999 though, so I'm not sure what I'd gain from the 1099.
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If I had nothing else to do it’d be interesting to cut the 1099 and retape it so it has the 1095 gull wing shape.
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Yeah Bill, I wasn't sure what I'd use the thing for the first hour but it's really growing on me. You are kind of a passenger and just have to let it do it's thing (which is GO!), and lower your turning expectations. I'm sure it comes around better with a smaller tail and shorter fuse but that's not what I got it for. Love the way it pumps with most of the mast out and short, quick inputs. It picks up energy everywhere :)
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Axis 1099 continues to impress. Here I was flying around in 2.6 foot surf @ 7 seconds.
What is new is that I am able to power myself with paddle power. Someone said "why don't you just pump?" Because I am a better paddler than pumper. What is cool is that I am able to pump-paddle front side comfortably while arcing a turn.
Note - This was a Sunday in the middle of July in the middle of New England. The forecast was for 0.5 feet - 1 foot. Bad forecasts lead to light crowds and beautiful flying in the most densely populated corridor of the United States.
Thank you to Ryan for lending me his Red cap that had the solo shot tracker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1b-8c_OSuY
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the old "pump-pump-paddle" 2 to 1 strategy is working really well for me. If I have to dig out of a hole I'm paddling 1 to 1 like you are, but as soon as I get a little speed and enough height on the mast, going to 2:1 is really smooth and efficient. I can go a long time like this.
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Beasho--mavericks to 2.3 ft mushburgers. That's versatility.
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On the 1099 with 375P tail. I switched from a 90 cm mast to 68 cm and immediately noticed the reduced stability. This was in yaw (the board wouldn't paddle straight), roll (much more wobbly), and PITCH - THE RIG WOULD PUMP
So aside from the attributes of the 1099, would it be reasonable to conclude that a longer mast reduces yaw? And reduces roll? But the shorter mast pumps better with reduced pitch stability? I've been using a 22.5" mast (or 57 cms) and have been yawing like crazy. Thought it was just me. Or is it?
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the old "pump-pump-paddle" 2 to 1 strategy is working really well for me. If I have to dig out of a hole I'm paddling 1 to 1 like you are, but as soon as I get a little speed and enough height on the mast, going to 2:1 is really smooth and efficient. I can go a long time like this.
What length paddle do you use for that?
I have a minus 12cm (5") paddle and it is too short to paddle when I am flying.
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So aside from the attributes of the 1099, would it be reasonable to conclude that a longer mast reduces yaw? And reduces roll? But the shorter mast pumps better with reduced pitch stability? I've been using a 22.5" mast (or 57 cms) and have been yawing like crazy. Thought it was just me. Or is it?
Affirmative. Going from 90cm to 68cm reduced stability in ROLL, YAW and PITCH.
Because the mast is just a big fin you shorten the fin and you increase the tendency to YAW when paddling. I was surprised by how much more YAW was introduced by the shorter mast but it made sense when I thought about it
PS: My paddle is ~ 2" over my head. With the 90 cm mast I would NEVER hit the foil. With the 68 cm Mast I have to be a little more careful. I have had 1 strike but no serious damage (yet).
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You lucked out. Usually solidly hitting the foil with the paddle (actually it's more like hitting the paddle with the foil) results in an instantly busted paddle. The paddle is fundamentally fixed in the water relative to the foil motion, and can't be shoved out of the way--incompressible water holds the paddle in place. the foil is moving with the full force of all your momentum plus any wave energy and all that force is applied through a very narrow area (I'm playing fast and loose with the physical parameter units but you get the idea). If you do the math it's tons of force per square inch.
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Oh yeah, I did that with my kujira 1210 twice in a row because the first time I couldn’t believe I had done it. And those tubercles punch good dents!
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Was able to do some interesting (to me) gear comparisons yesterday in well powered 4.2 conditions at the Hatchery. The wind continues to outperform the forecast, hoping today is similar.
I'm 90Kg all up, 1099, 82cm 19mm, 420, short: first try on the Alu mast and it's a little more predictable in behavior than the (old) carbon 86. Won't stop using the carbon though. Can't say I noticed any difference in drag, of course there has to be at 14.5mm vs 19mm but in real world 15-30 and 2-3' waves it's pretty much irrelevant. Never had any intention of using this setup in this much wind but it does work 'ok'.
Switched over to the Go Foil RS 1300 at 105cm span, 8.5ish AR (specs are STILL incorrect on GF's page), 14.5L tail, same 100L board. Haven't used it in a while. Figured it might be somewhat comparable to the 1099. In the above conditions I can detect NO difference in glide but maneuverability and general user friendliness are well beyond the 1099. Logic dictates there should be some straight line advantage in glide to the 1099 but so far not seeing it. The 1300 gets going sooner as well which is handy. Pumpability is similar.
I definitely am spending way more time in the water and re-starting on the 1099, when it's 100+ degrees that is kind of an advantage :o
More testing today, if it's similar may screw them on the 70L board.
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@thatspec might be the 420 tail holding you back
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Yes, I hear the 1099 is heavily tail dependent.
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Slightly lighter but still 4.2 conditions yesterday, bolted both setups to the 70L 4'9" board. Aside from the always tricky start of the -20L board, way more fun. More noticeable slight edge in glide going to the 1099 but so small that there's no real benefit to it in these conditions. Top speeds identical, 21.5ish. Never went in once on the RS 1300, 2-3 times on the 1099. Re-starting really drains the energy, especially so on the small board.
Perhaps in perfectly flat water I might be able to tell the difference between the 380 speed (arguably their fastest best gliding), and the 420 speed I'm using but not in active conditions with large areas of lifting and sinking forces (I've also tried the 350P with it). Big difference in the forces acting on our wings in wingfoiling conditions and SUP foiling conditions (a single nice glassy breaking wave). I think the 1099 is far better suited to the latter and /or downwind SUP foiling than wingfoiling (at least in over 20mph winds). It works and It's interesting. I really do like it but I haven't found it's forte yet for wingfoiling in the Gorge.
At worst I'll hang it on the wall as wingfoiling art 8).
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At worst I'll hang it on the wall as wingfoiling art 8).
I can tell you that for wall art foiling you’ll need at least the 450p if not the 475p tail. Don’t ask me how I know ???
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Sure a 450 or 475P will work but one of the local sponsored guys said wait a couple of months as Axis is about to release an entire series of wall art specific tail wings. Each comes with an 89° shim ;D
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I am finding the 1099/375 on an ultra short fuselage and 90 cm mast is my favorite winging set up in most all the conditions I ride in. Handles light to heavy wind. Sup foiled the same set up on the North Shore of Oahu.
I even prefer it in light wind over the 1150/390 or 460. Paired with the 8 m CWC F one… lights out!!