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General => Random => Topic started by: sflinux on January 12, 2022, 04:50:43 PM
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In California, we are seeing a spike of cases since New Years. I would like to share my opinion in the chance that it may help prevent you and your loved ones from getting this virus.
I have been an essential worker since covid started and always felt safe wearing a mask. That is no longer the case with omicron.
What we are seeing is omicron spread like the flu, regardless of mask compliance, vaccinations/ boosters. The eye opening trend i am seeing first hand is:
1) Omicron is not prevented with regular masks.
2) Omicron is not prevented by vaccination.
3) Omicron is not prevented by the booster.
I am of the opinion that the best prevention of omicron is wearing a n95 or kn95 mask. If you don't have access to a n95/kn95 mask, I would encourage you to double mask. Help prevent another lockdown by preventing the spread of omicron.
Did you go anywhere yesterday and spend >5 min around someone who may have been exposed in the last 48-72h? In 48 h, you may start showing symptoms. In 72 h, you will have a fever. Early symptoms are body aches, feeling tired, runny nose. The 3 day incubation comes with a fever. The days to follow are a sore throat which gradually gets worse but may start to show relief 6 days after the initial fever.
Friends don't let friends get omicron.
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one thing that seems to be the case is that people who have had covid and also been vaccinated are not getting covid again. I have no data to support this other than my observations and this is my and my family's situation. Time will tell. Thanks for your concern. We need more people worried than there currently are.
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One of my daughters is the lead respiratory therapist in a hospital where she is exposed to Covid frequently. She's been vaccinated and boosted, wears a mask (required at work), and is currently recovering from Covid. Since the hospital needs her desperately she's been given monoclonal antibodies and was on the mend, when she started showing symptoms again. It could well be a secondary infection--bacteria taking advantage of inflamed tissue.
Another respiratory therapist that works for her has had COVID twice.
This is a confusing situation, but the only advice I'm considering is to limit your exposure as best you can, by whatever means you can. The stats show major advantages in being vaccinated and boosted, but it's no longer proof against being infected, you simply are much less likely to need hospital care, and even less likely to die.
Anyone with a reasonably long memory remembers that this has been the objective of all the public health efforts since all this crap began. The trend for cases in the most heavily affected areas seems to be leveling. We will see more of this--it's inevitable that the giant worldwide "experiment" we are running--having vaccinated populations interspersed with unvaccinated--will yield mutations that can get past the vaccine immunity.
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Yes and it feels like common cold that I had bunch of times before. It’s your unique chance to get a natural vaccine from Mother Nature. Enjoy your life - take your mask off and breathe.
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Great advice, unless it isn't. 1536 deaths yesterday from Covid. If you're young and lucky then sure, but if you give it to your elderly parents or immune-compromised friends and they die, as happened to an acquaintance of mine, you might not feel quite so giddy.
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Great advice, unless it isn't. 1536 deaths yesterday from Covid. If you're young and lucky then sure, but if you give it to your elderly parents or immune-compromised friends and they die, as happened to an acquaintance of mine, you might not feel quite so giddy.
I don’t wish death upon anyone but that 1536 is likely very untrue. Most of those death were not from Covid but rather with Covid. Even per CDC only 5% of the overall deaths are directly from covid. The other 75% will have at least 4 other comorbiditities so it is a little misleading to present info like that. I am sure we are going to hear lot more clarifications as the time goes by. The science should be looking at the most vulnerable population and trying to save those rather than doing silly shit.
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Same here in France/Europe. Omicron numbers have gone ballistic since Christmas.
As Sflinux said dosn't look like the vaccines are very effective against catching it, hopefully they are stopping people getting really sick. Who knows?
Plenty of people here getting it that have had 3 shots or Covid already. One of my wife's friend has had 3 shots and now has COVID for the second time! Healthy guy with no health problems.
The thing that worries experts here is that with this many people getting it and it spreading so quickly another variant is going to pop up somewhere. Thats why it needs to be stopped.
And yes they have pretty much said the normal masks are useless against it here. A n95 mask is a lot more effective.
One thing I cant find any info on. If the vaccines are not effective against it how accurate are the tests?
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We’ve been enjoying this guys daily updates on the data.
https://youtu.be/g2k-bVcjiX4
https://youtu.be/u2N0cP3A-qU
https://youtu.be/TrVGymR-jFU
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Great advice, unless it isn't. 1536 deaths yesterday from Covid. If you're young and lucky then sure, but if you give it to your elderly parents or immune-compromised friends and they die, as happened to an acquaintance of mine, you might not feel quite so giddy.
I don’t wish death upon anyone but that 1536 is likely very untrue. Most of those death were not from Covid but rather with Covid. Even per CDC only 5% of the overall deaths are directly from covid. The other 75% will have at least 4 other comorbiditities so it is a little misleading to present info like that. I am sure we are going to hear lot more clarifications as the time goes by. The science should be looking at the most vulnerable population and trying to save those rather than doing silly shit.
Apparently, you do. It's been clear from the beginning that most deaths are of people with comorbidities, but that means high blood pressure, overweight, etc. on up to the more obvious serious illness. That doesn't simply mean people who were circling the drain. How do you look after the vulnerable population when people who are not vulnerable are comfortable spreading the disease? It's not likely to be you choking your life out in a hospital so it doesn't matter. That is really what telling yourself "it's just people with comorbidities" means.
Hospitalizations are at an all-time high, and hospital staff is getting infected, which means they can't work. What fun. If you get sick or injured you can expect the standard of care to be very different from what you would like. But yeah, take your mask off, join the party.
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We’ve been enjoying this guys daily updates on the data.
https://youtu.be/g2k-bVcjiX4
https://youtu.be/u2N0cP3A-qU
https://youtu.be/TrVGymR-jFU
Yeah, I like him too. He's pretty objective on most things Covid. I really like his work with the vaccine injured. He did great work pointing out the probably problem of injections hitting veins. And the simple solution of aspirateing injections. (Still not addressed by governments) He's focus on treatment options is very good also.
The fact he uses international data gives him good clarity. I wish more would listen to him.
My only criticism is he's still a little too pro vax, and stays away from some of the negative efficacy issues of our vaccines.
A smaller channel of Dr Been is another good one still very pro vaxx but has a good way of simplifying subjects and tends to covers more treatment options and data than most.
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Here is an interesting chart. We are not just talking about people who "would have died anyways".
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He did great work pointing out the probably problem of injections hitting veins. And the simple solution of aspirateing injections. (Still not addressed by governments)
Right On! My wife (a retired nurse) has been complaining about that exact issue when she got her shots. She’s like WTF, is nobody being taught how to give proper shots anymore, or is everyone giving these shots, just some bum off the streets, and not nurses.
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My only criticism is he's still a little too pro vax, and stays away from some of the negative efficacy issues of our vaccines.
I wonder why you view this is a problem? Are you looking for "experts" who will confirm your opinion or are you listening to experts in order to form an opinion?
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He did great work pointing out the probably problem of injections hitting veins. And the simple solution of aspirateing injections. (Still not addressed by governments)
Right On! My wife (a retired nurse) has been complaining about that exact issue when she got her shots. She’s like WTF, is nobody being taught how to give proper shots anymore, or is everyone giving these shots, just some bum off the streets, and not nurses.
Dr. Campbell recently talked about a study from Denmark where the techs are required to aspirate the syringe to insure they are not on a vein. In a comparison with one of the neighboring Scandinavian countries, this little precaution had significant benefits in reducing heart issues.
I also liked the Dr's interview with Kyle Warner (Kyle and April) pro-mountain biker. He unfortunately developed some major side effects. He commented that he had a metallic taste in his mouth at the time of the injection. The inference is that the injection hit a vein as opposed to the desired muscle tissue.
Hoping for a very positive outcome for him.
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Masks don't work and never have, the science is overwhelming:
https://themodelhealthshow.com/surgical-cloth-n95-masks/
I am way past tired of all this fear porn propaganda. The whole time it's been lies and double speak and completely wrong predictions - corona bologna schmolona.
Check this out for an alternative take on the past 100 years of Virus Mania:
https://www.amazon.com/Virus-Mania-COVID-19-Hepatitis-Billion-Dollar/dp/B094X3F7D9
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My only criticism is he's still a little too pro vax, and stays away from some of the negative efficacy issues of our vaccines.
I wonder why you view this is a problem? Are you looking for "experts" who will confirm your opinion or are you listening to experts in order to form an opinion?
The data helps me form my opinion. The experts reviewing the data helps me better understand the data. When some data is ignored, censored, or demonized it makes it harder to be objective. The negative efficacy data is real and plentiful and just deserve a bit more attention IMO.
But in all fairness things are changing so fast it is hard to keep up with and he does a good job with what he works with.
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He did great work pointing out the probably problem of injections hitting veins. And the simple solution of aspirateing injections. (Still not addressed by governments)
Right On! My wife (a retired nurse) has been complaining about that exact issue when she got her shots. She’s like WTF, is nobody being taught how to give proper shots anymore, or is everyone giving these shots, just some bum off the streets, and not nurses.
Dr. Campbell recently talked about a study from Denmark where the techs are required to aspirate the syringe to insure they are not on a vein. In a comparison with one of the neighboring Scandinavian countries, this little precaution had significant benefits in reducing heart issues.
I also liked the Dr's interview with Kyle Warner (Kyle and April) pro-mountain biker. He unfortunately developed some major side effects. He commented that he had a metallic taste in his mouth at the time of the injection. The inference is that the injection hit a vein as opposed to the desired muscle tissue.
Hoping for a very positive outcome for him.
Nice to hear. There are so many simple low hanging fruit type things like that, that we could have been doing to save lives but instead we got vaccine / no vaccine tunnel vision.
A few countries have stoped using Moderna in the under 40 year old's which is another easy thing we would benefit from. An Ontario CA study showed the Moderna shots were about 7 times more likely to cause myocarditis / pericarditis than the Pfizer vaccine in the under 40 crowd... So many easy things could have been done better.
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Public health isn't personal care. Responding to a pandemic with staggering repercussions worldwide is not a simple matter of offering up every bit of data and letting people figure it out for themselves. You can simply look at the responses here to see why that doesn't work and has enormous unintended consequences. People take a nugget of data and use it to amplify the things they already believe. And what percentage of the population actually has enough knowledge and experience to use the data in a positive way? I'm not the dumbest person I've ever met, I've been studying this stuff carefully for the three years we've been dealing with it, and I don't have a fucking clue what is really happening.
The pretense of knowledge and understanding is deadly in this case. This works, this doesn't work. Here's my favorite study that proves it. Really? People are really that sure?
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Public health isn't personal care. Responding to a pandemic with staggering repercussions worldwide is not a simple matter of offering up every bit of data and letting people figure it out for themselves. You can simply look at the responses here to see why that doesn't work and has enormous unintended consequences. People take a nugget of data and use it to amplify the things they already believe. And what percentage of the population actually has enough knowledge and experience to use the data in a positive way? I'm not the dumbest person I've ever met, I've been studying this stuff carefully for the three years we've been dealing with it, and I don't have a fucking clue what is really happening.
The pretense of knowledge and understanding is deadly in this case. This works, this doesn't work. Here's my favorite study that proves it. Really? People are really that sure?
Have u seen the dude advocating drinking your own urine? Wowzaz.
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We live in the golden age of information, in our tiny phones and tablets we can access pretty much all the knowledge that human kind has accumulated since the dawn of time to just now.
And yet we tend to look only for the quick&easy info that confirms what we already believe.Fast food for the brain.
So provaxx and antivaxx become more and more entrenched in their positions,same with global warming, healthcare or Aluula wings.
I fall into this trap myself, there is just too much info and feeling "right" is more satisfying than being proved wrong.Plus nobody likes dilettantes, are you with us or against,huh?.
Pick your tribe,fight's on.
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A friend of mine says " the most informed yet least educated generation"
Anytime someone spits numbers or an opinion at him he asks which book they read it in. They just look at him strangely and say I read it on the Internet. He asks who wrote it. They say I don't know looking at him strangely. He then rants on about the difference between an opinion,fact,guessing etc and tells them a load of good books to read until they leave.
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The way the gentler omnicron is gaining real estate fast will probably spare the ‘do your own research’ crowd.
They will get sick and finally do their fellow citizen duty as they help us reach the numbers needed for herd immunity.
But they will get a break as they missed the delta variant hammer.
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The good news from South Africa (the country that invented Omicron and got slapped with travel bans) is that it's over almost as quickly as it arrived and that hospitalisations and deaths are a fraction of the previous waves. Data might not translate to all other countries as South Africa's population is much younger and it's estimated that 75% of population has had one or more strains of covid with about 30% vaccinated (I think). Almost everyone I know got omicron, no one got really sick and most where back up and about in 3-4 days, so pretty similar to the flu from yesteryear.
The main takeaway is that if you focus on number of infections Omicron is a scary motherf@cker, but if you look at impact on the really important bit, deaths and hospitalisations, then it's completely manageable without any precautions. By all means protect yourself, but this one will pass quickly and may signal the end of serious covid.
Attached is SA's excess deaths - number of infections is dropping fast now.
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all of what pono said--
incl his warning that we steer clear of blinding dogma.
and, for the dogmatics, there will always be a kookbook or a soundbite to reinforce fallacy.
resist, keep your brain turned on, be humble and thoughtful---dont be a dogmatic.
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This is the best discussion/podcast I've hear on covid/omnicron. 3 smart doctors who talk about what studies have shown, and then each give their opinion on what that means. I really like Peter Attia's podcast, I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to live healthier and longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GklHGYY8vN8
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I agree with everyone here.
https://youtu.be/wYXFSbLotSU
Here's why.
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/vaccine-aristocrats-strike-again?r=85nzj&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Taibbi has been my go to for many years. As usual, just follow the money.
Rogan's spotify interview of Robert Malone (true vaccine expert) has over 50 million views.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT
This site gets too sensational for my taste. However, this lawyer is the real thing.
https://youtu.be/CBk2HW2YIgc
He stood up to Yale at 19 and won. Now, he's suing big corporations on the Covid 'mandates'.
He knows employer/employee law and how to respond if you are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
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My wife and I are both vaxed and boostered and we both got Covid late December. Due to us having all three shots, at worse it felt like a bad cold or semi bad flu. The shots may not prevent one from catching the latests variant, but they keep you out of the hospital.
I work on a Navy base and the leadership as been very upfront about the fact they haven't done the greatest job in preventing the spread. As things are now, if someone tests positive and is fully vaxed up and boostered, they only have to isolate for 5 days and if they feel better by that point, they will return back to work.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/19/1071809356/covid-booster-omicron-efficacy
As someone who is surrounded by extremes of vax and antivax, I always try to listen to both sides. I've had the first two shots, after getting covid. Haven't had omicron yet, but I fully expect to get it. I'm not getting a booster. Let nature do it's worst. I'm part of the herd. I have a higher chance of dying on So Cal freeways everyday, my chance of survival would go up with a week or two off work. :)
Literally everyone I know and come in contact with has had Covid recently... boosted to the hilt and the Sans-vax. My wife's school has 30% of the kids and teachers out, as does my son's 150 person workplace. The tsunami is here. Duckdive!
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The tsunami is here. Duckdive!
Well said!
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Injected, inspected, boostered, infected and recovered.
I think I'm good now! ;D
I actually went to Surf Expo fully understanding that I would get Omicron.
I figured there was no ducking this one, so might as well get it while in the sunny south, so I could lay about in the sun and bake it out. The plan worked.