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The Foil Zone => Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP => Topic started by: SurfIC on October 06, 2021, 11:30:20 AM

Title: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: SurfIC on October 06, 2021, 11:30:20 AM
... particularly if you are around 75 to 80kgs.... I seem to like small wings and would prefer to ride a slightly bigger foil particularly as the waves aren't huge that I am playing in. When does the 3m (or 2.8, 3.2) work for you? Possibly say your weight and what foil you are use it with? One of the resosns I ask is that many of the manufacturers state 25+ knots for a 3m. This seems high to me? Thanks for any feedback..
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: Wingfoil2001 on October 06, 2021, 12:44:31 PM
I use my 3.3 Unit in anything above 16 knots. Iím 80 kg on a Naish HA1240 wing.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: DavidJohn on October 06, 2021, 03:47:51 PM
3m Naish Matador in 10-15 knots.. Iím 100kgs

https://vimeo.com/600863188
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: B-Walnut on October 06, 2021, 04:04:17 PM
I'm working on a highwind kit for this winter in the gorge. 85kg on a Helium Kujira right now. I just ordered a 2.5m to try and keep the option of getting on the water when the winds reach 40knots mid winter.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: bigmtn on October 06, 2021, 04:32:50 PM
please include your board size.  80kg on a 100L board is vastly different from 80kg on a 40L board.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: VB_Foil on October 06, 2021, 06:45:42 PM
3m BRM in winds 18-24mph with 60L board and 925-1250 Front wing at 65 KGs.

25+ I can grab the 2.2M

Thereís nothing better than being comfortably lit on a properly sized wing. Lucky enough to have a quiver of BRMs (2-6) and I prefer to go down a size if I can. Sheeting in vertical and zooming around is mighty fun. Umbrella riding with burning forearms, less so.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: WingNut Ohana on October 06, 2021, 11:56:13 PM
5í9Ē 88kg, 5í4Ē 90L board. 1850 foil 232 tail.

3m Airush in 16kts+
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: SurfIC on October 07, 2021, 12:20:02 AM
Thanks for responses this is what I'd hoped for. The published 25+ knots for a 3m seems way off. Its the umbrella riding on my 4m which impacts on the fun factor particularly on very gusty days. BTW, nice video and the Naish 1240 HA looks a nice foil!!
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: Dontsink on October 07, 2021, 04:07:27 AM
3m Naish Matador in 10-15 knots.. Iím 100kgs

https://vimeo.com/600863188

Wow!!
That vid is gonna sell a lot of Naish gear.Incredible low end.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: PonoBill on October 07, 2021, 07:34:39 AM
That f-one in the video looks pretty small too. Maybe a 4.2? That must be a very steady 15kts. For myself, a 3.5 is 25 mph plus, and I'll often be wishing I was on my 4.2 in the lulls. I'm 102kg, my board is about 130L, and I use a 999 Axis every chance I get though the 1150 is always in reserve. My 2.8 comes out at 35 plus, feels like a hankie. I'd rather be overpowered than underpowered, so my 5.0 and 6.0 gets a lot of use.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: gone_foiling on October 07, 2021, 11:30:33 AM
3m Naish Matador in 10-15 knots.. Iím 100kgs

https://vimeo.com/600863188

Wow!!
That vid is gonna sell a lot of Naish gear.Incredible low end.

Whenever someone tells me they wing in 10-15kn on 3m my BS detector goes off.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: Dontsink on October 07, 2021, 02:52:51 PM
3m Naish Matador in 10-15 knots.. Iím 100kgs

https://vimeo.com/600863188

Wow!!
That vid is gonna sell a lot of Naish gear.Incredible low end.

Whenever someone tells me they wing in 10-15kn on 3m my BS detector goes off.

So did mine, when i first heard Abel Lago,KDmaui and others claim they could takeoff in well below 10kt with 3.5m sails and 1200cm2 foils.
But then i started to get a bit better at pumping and i am not so incredulous anymore.I am winging very  happily on 4m in conditions that i would have found impossible on 5m not so long ago.

Judging sea and wind state from a vid is tricky, the camera tends to downplay both.But i do not think there are more than 15kt in that vid.

BTW i have never met David John in person but from his posts he is no braggart.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: burchas on October 07, 2021, 04:43:22 PM
It's doable as you can see in the video. Right equipment and skills are required.

https://youtu.be/ZOL8C0cnVMY

Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: DavidJohn on October 08, 2021, 03:35:09 AM
3m Naish Matador in 10-15 knots.. Iím 100kgs

https://vimeo.com/600863188


Wow!!
That vid is gonna sell a lot of Naish gear.Incredible low end.

Whenever someone tells me they wing in 10-15kn on 3m my BS detector goes off.

Ha.. Fair comment.. I think the same when I hear about people foiling in 6-8 knots.

Getting up in light winds can vary on conditions regardless of wind strength.. Gusty off shore winds in flat water can often be easier than the same wind in a steady onshore direction.. To be perfectly honest about the day of that vid the wind was more in the 5-20 knots range with the wind being stronger out the back (further offshore) but where I was (closer in) the wind was more 0-15.. and the 15 knot gusts had some punch in them.. The wind soon dropped off even more and the combination of a small wing and a small foil wasnít working great for me causing me to drop off the foil in the big wind holes.. My options were to either use a bigger foil to glide more through the holes or use a bigger wing which is what I did.. My small 3m is orange and at the end of that vid I was using 5m red Matador.. So there you go.. I was able to get up with my 3m in wind in the 10-15 knots but there is obviously slightly more to it than that.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: SurfIC on October 10, 2021, 02:21:44 AM
Thanks people, interesting read as always. My main concern was I get a 3m and rarely use it due to my main conditions being 10 to 25 knots. It sounds like 20+ is doable now and possibly 16/17 + in the future for my 78kgs... Happy flapping peeps!!!
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: surfcowboy on October 10, 2021, 08:15:35 AM
Def all about you weight, skills and conditions. I ride my 3.5m in 15+ if thatís real 15mph with gusts.

I ride easily yesterday on a 5m in conditions that iKite said were 10mph with gusts to 15. Never had a moment I couldnít get powered. By the time the foil drive is gen 2 or 3 Iíll bet we all have tiny wings.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: Wingingtanuki on October 12, 2021, 08:01:05 AM
Oh boy, this will be long winded:

70kg rider

3.5 Strike & 5-7" 90l board: 16 knots steady w/1850&232stab 17knots steady with 1550-flying V
add one to two knots of wind if using a shorter length board (4-10" 89l)

Add a few more pounds of weight to the board and that's another knot required to fly.  If I had pizza and beer the night before, add one more knot to get going. 

4.0 Duotone Slick is about the same as the 3.5 strike.

5.0 Strike is around 11 knots steady with the bigger board and foil - 12 knots with the smaller combo.

Long gusts with less steady winds are about the same as above, but if the gusts are too short to get up on foil with two or three pumps, then it just becomes an exhausting game of flappy bird.

Sometimes in low wind I can get flying against the current but not with it at a knot less than stated above, but  then you have to be really careful to not fall off foil when going with the current.

I really appreciate the idea of trying to use a small wing as much as possible because even though I thought of getting one of those big 'ol CWC Strikes to see if I could get going in 8 knots, I realized, at some point you end up with diminishing returns and a big, heavy sheet of cloth in front of you and it might be time better spend fishing or practicing wing handling on a skateboard.
Title: Re: Interested to hear what wind people use a 3m Wing in.. :)
Post by: Dontsink on October 12, 2021, 10:26:24 AM
Oh boy, this will be long winded:

70kg rider

3.5 Strike & 5-7" 90l board: 16 knots steady w/1850&232stab 17knots steady with 1550-flying V
add one to two knots of wind if using a shorter length board (4-10" 89l)

Add a few more pounds of weight to the board and that's another knot required to fly.  If I had pizza and beer the night before, add one more knot to get going. 

4.0 Duotone Slick is about the same as the 3.5 strike.

5.0 Strike is around 11 knots steady with the bigger board and foil - 12 knots with the smaller combo.

Long gusts with less steady winds are about the same as above, but if the gusts are too short to get up on foil with two or three pumps, then it just becomes an exhausting game of flappy bird.

Sometimes in low wind I can get flying against the current but not with it at a knot less than stated above, but  then you have to be really careful to not fall off foil when going with the current.

I really appreciate the idea of trying to use a small wing as much as possible because even though I thought of getting one of those big 'ol CWC Strikes to see if I could get going in 8 knots, I realized, at some point you end up with diminishing returns and a big, heavy sheet of cloth in front of you and it might be time better spend fishing or practicing wing handling on a skateboard.

My experience is very similar to yours.
75kg suited up, 5.2/85l straight tail board ,Kujira1210 foil.Takoon 3.5m.

The Takoon is not specially grunty but in 15kt steady it is  fine.

If the wind is gusty (as it usually is) and the 15kt or more gusts are shorter than 3-4 pumps as you say  then i am better off with the worn out Starboard Freewing V1 4m.Pulls like a truck.

Sea state is a big factor too,flat and protected water makes me feel like a pumping  superhero.

Worst sea state scenario is  xchop  due to gusty/shifty wind or reflecting shore ,it  drives me nuts, better to carry more surface even if it means being a bit overwinged once up.

Compensating light winds with bigger wings gives diminishing results IMO,  my biggest is 5m and i very often wish it was a grunty 4.5m.
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