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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: burchas on September 23, 2021, 07:29:30 AM
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I've seen some post about 2 GoFoil RS wings 1000 and 1150 (see pic). Anyone has more details? Specs, Availability experience on the water?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CT9VzCPpGVD/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
If you go through James' stories or IGTV's you'll see it in use.
I think you got some shots of it in the Jeremy Riggs/Tomo flat water paddle up video's too.
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I wonder if gofoil has finally adopted numbering system based on area in cm2.
I’ve pretty much given up on gofoil - basically seems unobtainable, zero information available anywhere. Good for Alex running a lifestyle business, but I think I’ll support the companies which are willing to actually market and sell their gear rather than a fraternity for his Maui bros.
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I think you got some shots of it in the Jeremy Riggs/Tomo flat water paddle up video's too.
That's yet another unknown series ::) referred to as GT. 2200 in that case.
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I wonder if gofoil has finally adopted numbering system based on area in cm2.
I’ve pretty much given up on gofoil - basically seems unobtainable, zero information available anywhere. Good for Alex running a lifestyle business, but I think I’ll support the companies which are willing to actually market and sell their gear rather than a fraternity for his Maui bros.
Totally. it's very unfortunate :(
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GT series replaces NLs. Better turning, better low end compared to NLs. Winglets are gone too. I hear that lack of info sucks but the foils are amazing imho. Well at least they work insanely in my spot.
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how did you get ahold of one? which are you on?
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GT series replaces NLs. Better turning, better low end compared to NLs. Winglets are gone too. I hear that lack of info sucks but the foils are amazing imho. Well at least they work insanely in my spot.
This is just a massive tease. No information anywhere. Wutch you talkin bout Willace?
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Here is the full video:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CT6iibqJyJL/
Agree with the frustration on lack of information. Looks like GF moved to EZ, GT, and RS lines.
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Apparently if you are in Michigan you can demo the 3 new Gofoil lines...
https://www.facebook.com/Gofoil/photos/a.628527070682910/1678444972357776/
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seems like the west coast Floridians already got their demo... Only mentions the GT and EZ though. I guess the RS is a Raw Secret and only works in Maui :P
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/v/t50.2886-16/10000000_117567547315935_6709915867207863344_n.mp4?_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=7Y7LXp6Z_PUAX9UI1vJ&edm=AP_V10EBAAAA&ccb=7-4&oe=614FF56F&oh=7ede822d9ea6588046c18ace918a858b&_nc_sid=4f375e
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Quite a bit of talk about using them for downwind on the new episode of the casey catchup.
https://youtu.be/EJL_5rkEaA4
If you subscribe it helps him out, so I would suggest you click that button too.
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Thanks, Hdip. I am signed up but haven't had the time to listen to his podcasts at the cadence James is putting them out...
Here is more... GT160 and RS1150 with Jeremy Riggs and Dave Kalama
https://www.facebook.com/kalama.australia/videos/1012250629571733/
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Here is a little better look at those new wings:
https://fb.watch/8eiVbHtBtG/
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That RS reminds me of the Axis HPS. Similar looking template, with tips twisted. Interesting the way GoFoil made the tip twist obvious with a step. Axis blended the twist.
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yeah im starting tonget frustrated too... :o
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yeah im starting tonget frustrated too... :o
NOOOOOO! You're the GoFoil pink bandit. I feel your pain but am reluctant to jump ship.
I must admit I am intrigued by the Axis 999 of all the options.
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GoFoil already has a counterpart to that...the PNL185 is a super pumpng machine...also turns like a fighter jet ;D
but i want to see what all this new toy talk is all abouy...if somebody can get theor hands on one of um please do a comparison with the NLs
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GoFoil already has a counterpart to that...the PNL185 is a super pumpng machine...also turns like a fighter jet ;D
but i want to see what all this new toy talk is all abouy...if somebody can get theor hands on one of um please do a comparison with the NLs
I asked Dommo49 on the Breeze to do a comparison of the 999 to NL160 and here was his answer:
"For me the NL160 is much looser than the 999 in its roll (rail to rail) so is much easier to whip round quick and do fast cutbacks compared to the 999. The 999 is reasonably loose (and I'm finding the tail you use makes a HUGE difference on this foil) but it turns in a very stable carve and is harder to do short, sharp turns. You can carve it hard in total control though so it's not all bad by any means.
The 999 is MUCH easier to pump back out compared to the NL160, probably because it's stall speed is so low, but also because it is so pitch stable it's easier to stay high on the mast - I find as soon as I drop to half mast height on the NL160 it's game over very quickly, but I can recover from that sort of thing super easily on the 999.
The 999 is more efficient/has better glide so can ride smaller/mushier waves easier than the NL160."
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Sorry... misunderstood the question. I thought you were talking about 999 as new toy... now realized you were talking about RS, Steamroller. Yes. We all want to know... and GT.
In his video on the Casey Catchup, I believe that James said the RS turns faster and has a lower stall speed than the PNL145. Seems like an evolution of the PNL. And Jeremy Riggs said the RS1150 stays up at 7 knots.
That is Maliko 200 territory... what kind of witchcraft is that!?!? Amazing.
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Shots of RS, GT and EZ in this video... https://www.facebook.com/alex.aguera.1/videos/398521168549161/
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You guys need to relax, when they are available for sale I’m sure someone will sell it to you.
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You guys need to relax, when they are available for sale I’m sure someone will sell it to you.
Forget about buying. None of my dealer friends can get their hands on current stuff as is but they didn't even know about those new wings.
One of them just told me he's getting some new tails. I said, Yay! which? No clew he replies ::). Great way to keep the customer informed.
Holiday season is upon us and people are about to drop serious money. Looks like Axis is going to eat GoFoil's lunch
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GoFoil just distributed an email with some more information about the new wings. Still half-ass but something.
More information about the EZ series (entry level) seems like the naming is more inline with the sq cm area of the wing Like the EZ1800, very similar to the Maliko M200
but with the kink at the tip like the rest of the newly released foils.
No real information in those emails though. Nothing about the GT or the RS Series other than sizes which are very similar to the wings being replaced (GL & NL respectively )
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I wonder if gofoil has finally adopted numbering system based on area in cm2.
I’ve pretty much given up on gofoil - basically seems unobtainable, zero information available anywhere. Good for Alex running a lifestyle business, but I think I’ll support the companies which are willing to actually market and sell their gear rather than a fraternity for his Maui bros.
You have hit the nail on the head here.
I learnt with the old Iwa setup and loved it for wing and sup then wanted to upgrade to the GL and new mast, well good luck getting one back in the day, yet all their social media and team riders were showing the NL series but joe public couldn’t get anything.
I would love to go back to GoFoil but I feel like it’s one of those elite clubs you can’t get into without a secret handshake.
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I'm continually impressed with Gofoil equipment, it's a relatively small company serving a hungry market that grew from nothing almost overnight. I would consider innovating in the face of the kind of demand that existed last summer to be an almost impossible task, but Alex pulls it off and does it well. In part, because he's fully committed, in part, because he clearly understands what he's doing, and in part, because he has a group of loyal followers on Maui that test the heck out of every design and give him immediate feedback. When people complain about Alex's buddies getting wings that aren't available to them what they fail to understand is that those people are Alex's ART, an important element of his development process.
I didn't switch to Axis because I thought the wings were markedly better, I switched because the attachment method was sound from an engineering standpoint and was something I could duplicate. GoFoil's socket design does not make for easy experimentation. A minor part of the reason I helped my brother buy a CA-router was so I could take advantage of his extreme competence in design and woodworking to make wooden plugs that I could turn into molds or one-off wings. While I haven't made even a single prototype wing I planned on making (welcome to ADHD-ville), I"m quite happy with the Axis system in general.
I'm not good enough to actually feel differences between wings from a performance standpoint, I liken it to feeling the difference in fins on a surfboard. You have to be well past the beginner stage to be able to feel much more than "good" vs. "bad". My comments are on the coarser characteristics of wings. 1150 -- gets up in silly light wind, turns OK, glides great. 860 -- requires a lot of speed to get up, turns like crazy, glides like a brick.
Then along came the 999 -- wow, does everything well, really well. Wait... ...how can that be?
That would have a great comment for this thread. I feel the same. I believe a more conservative product cycle is better for consumer. Leave the R&D for the pros as gofoil does and take
the time to develop a mature product rather than chase the market for the new trends.
GoFoil seem to do many things right but doing terribly on the marketing and consumer education side. I've seen the email they sent their dealers in anticipation of the new products,
what a mess, leaves you with more questions than answers. Imagine how the consumer feels. One look at their website and you'll see what I mean.
I've seen and heard enough to know that these new products are solid but that's not because they made it easy, quite the opposite, I'm lucky to know people in key places to refer to
but most are not.
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Don’t beat Alex up too bad, if it weren’t for him, we all wouldn’t be here enjoying this awesome sport. ;)
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Don’t beat Alex up too bad, if it weren’t for him, we all wouldn’t be here enjoying this awesome sport. ;)
If you read Zero to One by Peter Thiel you will realize that Alex went from Zero to One. He got Kai Lenny flying with nothing but a paddle on a chopped up downwind board.
But then there were others better suited to go from N to N+1. Similar to what Laird does. He takes things from Zero to One and lets the others copy and then run with the ball.
Thank you Alex Aguerra. 5 years and counting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7XupqFOFSg&t=88s
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Definitely true Beasho. Alex pioneered low-speed foiling. I don't think many people thought it could be done. I certainly didn't. The most obvious thing about foiling is that speed is the most important factor, and it takes a lot of power to go fast in water. I've been interested in foils for a long time, but when you do all the math, including how much power a human can put out, the effects of form drag, etc., etc., it's pretty easy to conclude that people can't foil without a kite, a sail, or a tow. Then along comes Kai and he does a downwind run. My conclusion--yeah, if you weigh less than 170, and are a world-class athlete in perfect conditions, then maybe... ...but for the rest of us, it's not going to happen. then a bunch of my skinny surfing buddies in Maui disappear to Ka'a and they're foiling. And then I'm doing it at 240 pounds. Next, people that are Good athletes, not necessarily worlds class are downwinding. Then winging. All of that was Alex and GoFoil, pushing the buttons. 0 to 1. Then 1 to 1+N takes over.
In water sports, and probably in any sport, the pioneers rarely keep the lead for long. How many windsurfers actually bought a windsurfer(tm)? Certainly not me. By the time I started windsurfing in the early '80s the windsurfer(tm) was outmoded and competitors' gear was far better. Hoyle Schweitzer (Yup, Zane's granddad) got wrapped around the axle suing everyone, and didn't have any way to keep up with the innovation in the sport. When a product goes from one manufacturer, plodding along with no competition, to hundreds doing everything they can to leap ahead, the originators generally get squashed in the stampede. It appears Alex decided not to try to sue his way into dominance (it almost never works unless you truly invented the core tech and patented the shit out of it), and its a good thing he didn't--it's invariably a huge distraction right when you need to really perform. GoFoil is keeping up with the directions the market is heading. That's a significant accomplishment.
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Folks, We are lucky to have options. GoFoil, Axis, Takuma, Signature, and many other great options.
So funny seeing folks talk about the go foil "bro club" and all that.. talk.
Alex kind of kicked this whole deal off(Foiling for the rest of us), not just Laird, Kalama and others. Remember Kai Lenny in 2016 on the SUP downwinder? Remember what he was riding? it was red. and awesome. It had a blue tail and a red tail ONE SCREW FOR EACH. Super simple. Still is.. no shimming needed.
Here is the secret to the GoFoil Bro Club.
#1 Follow James Casey on Instagrunt
#2 Follow Alex A on Instagrunt
#3 When you see a new wing that is not on any website, Call or email MACkiteboarding
800-622-4655
kiteboarder@mackite.com
Ask for Tucker.
He will tell you about the new model names and when he can ship to your door.
Its not that hard fellas.
PS: I have a big GoFoil Sticker on my truck, and um.. I am a GF fanboi. Have you seen James C on the RS downwinding??
PSS: See this post for a flashback..Awesome to see folks like Dwight and the rest of the crew frothing..
https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,29628.0.html
All GoFoil whiners just head on back to the Axis thread(s). You know where they are.. :)
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Thanks for the refresher post of the early beginnings.
PSS: See this post for a flashback..Awesome to see folks like Dwight and the rest of the crew frothing..
https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,29628.0.html
I went down this incredible rabbit hole of Downwind foiling and never looked back.
I can’t wait to see where it goes in the next few years and really hope I am able to still be doing it.
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I had the opportunity of testing an RS1300 yesterday, and I'm impressed with the performance. By far the best foil I ever tested. These foils are going to be a big deal. I saw a half of the wing out of the water several times and could not even notice.
Surfy, great pumping, endless planning.
The word out there is that they will be available from December. One ordered here.
Below are some pictures.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CV08mewo2sk/re.
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very cool to hear!
Can you say what other foils you've tested - just so we can reference your statement that it is the best you've tried. How does it compare to Kujira 1210; Lift 120/170; or Axis 999?
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pafoil,
how does the RS compare to the PNL 185?
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The shape is very similar to the Pnl185, but it feels like the Rs1300 can pull tips out of the water easier ( I mean with no issues)
Feels better for pumping than the kujira.
I have tested, gofoils, fanatic (their HA is similar to Lifts), Takuma, starboard, and slingshot.
Never been able to test directly an Axis or a Lifts, for some reason we don't really see them here (Spain).
In any case, I recommend trying the RS series if you can; as I have noticed that what works for some people, does not work for others.
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Thanks
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The shape is very similar to the Pnl185, but it feels like the Rs1300 can pull tips out of the water easier ( I mean with no issues)
Below is the picture of the PNL185 and RS1300 side by side. Just as you said, seem almost dead on as far as wingspan, chord length.
But the leading edge seem much beefier? Looks like it has a lot more volume overall?
What was your impression about lift and stall speed in comparison to the PNL185?
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The best accurate comparation that I can give you is with the NL160, and stalling speed is much lower; I would say that the RS1300 is closer to the GL240. Lift starts earlier than the NL160 and is easier to control. I was expecting the RS to turn worst than the NL160, but indeed is way better, as it does not seems to accumulate lift as much during turns.
This is the first real HA that I tried, so perhaps that’s why I’m so impress. In any case, this steps make wonders.
One RS in the way,
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The best accurate comparation that I can give you is with the NL160, and stalling speed is much lower; I would say that the RS1300 is closer to the GL240. Lift starts earlier than the NL160 and is easier to control. I was expecting the RS to turn worst than the NL160, but indeed is way better, as it does not seems to accumulate lift as much during turns.
This is the first real HA that I tried, so perhaps that’s why I’m so impress. In any case, this steps make wonders.
One RS in the way,
Holy smokes... you are comparing the 1300 to the 160... wow! I figured that the 1150 was the closer comparison though I guess the 160 is in the between the two sizes from an area perspective. Crazy that in Jeremy Riggs video he indicated the 1150 stays up in 7knots which is Maliko 200 territory...
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MacKite has GT's in stock. RS's coming in December
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MacKite has GT's in stock. RS's coming in December
And specs have been updated on Australian site for many of the wings:
https://gofoilaustralia.com.au/pages/what-foil-for-you
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I have the RS 1300 and will have the RS 1k and 1150 this week but have already ridden them.
1300 is more surfy than the pnl. I still need to mess with my tail but it is better in rough stuff where the pnl got twitchy. I have been surfing it and downinding it daily and it is great. The pump is great if you keep it in the sweet spot but its not as good as I thought. It turns waaaaaayyy better than the pnl.
It does not turn as good as the nl 160 however the 1150 turns better and pumps better than the 160. I didnt get a single GT as the RS line is soooo good. They are definetly a expert level foil and like the kujira. I think my 1150 will be my daily the 1k for head high days and the 1300 for shore running / downwind. These foils really are game changing even the kujira guys here are loving them. The new GTs might be more forgiving with a lower stall speed but that is about it as far as I can tell.
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HERO!...thanks for posting this!....i especially like the comparison with the PNL185 and NL160 to to RS1150 and RS1300!...EXACTLY what i wanted...
the PNL185 and NL160 are my goto wings for the past 6 months
looks like the RS1150 and RS1300 are going to replace um!...
how did you get your hands on them?...where are they available?...i gots the money but Karla wont take it yet.... ::)
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Get the 1000 too. You know you want it!
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Anybody using the RS range that recommend between the Rs 1150 and RS1000.
I have the RS1300 which a love and I’m looking for something for SUP wave and wing
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Anybody using the RS range that recommend between the Rs 1150 and RS1000.
I have the RS1300 which a love and I’m looking for something for SUP wave and wing
Lots of discussion about this in the RS thread on the other forum (seabreeze). While I await them being in stock I have been doing a lot of humming/hawing about 1000 vs 1150. Both seem to have pros and cons, and the people who have each are absolutely frothing over their choice. I have decided on 1150 as a better all rounder and a safer bet for a little more lift and a little better pumping, at cost of not quite as sports car feel. I am giving up some of the radness to avoid the risk of being under-gunned.
But with you having the 1300 already, I'd think the 1150 will be quite close, you may want to skip down the 1000. Though it depends how heavy you are and how fast and powerful the waves you tend to ride, and if your wing spot tends towards more windy than less. If you aren't XL and if you have some powered in conditions in decent waves, seems like the the 1000 is your best choice. Chase the rad. 8)
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Hi Juandesooka,
Thanks a lot for the information, definitely there is a lot of information in the other forum.
I willl probably go for the rs1000 and use it on the bigger days.
I have been using the RS1300 for SUP and wing during a few weeks, and I don't see myself dismantling the wing. I can haddle up 1,5 meters waves with no issues, carve turns and the pumping is awesome.