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Title: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: LBsup on June 22, 2021, 11:39:13 AM
https://youtu.be/Ji__-p-wABU (https://youtu.be/Ji__-p-wABU)
Hi all,
I’ve been interested for some time in the L41 sups and several zoners seem to rave about them.  NorthJerzsurfer kindly loaned me his L41 ST for a couple days, this morning was the my first demo I figured I’d dust off the Soloshot and see if I could have success with that often flaky device. (I watched a you tube video to refresh my memory on calibrating the soloshot and it worked like a charm).  I was messaging with Dusk Patrol and OspreySup about L41’s so I thought I’d write a review of my experience.  I wasn’t sure if this should go in the Gear or Session section so sorry in advance.

Me: 57 yrs old, 5’9”, 200lbs or so.  Location: Long Branch, NJ. Sup: L41 ST 8’ x 30.5” 129L
Conditions: High tide breaking close to the beach very inconsistent, 2-3 ft as per Surf Captain.
 
Right away what I did not like was the SUP handle, it’s the kind you can only fit your fingertips, this is especially not good if you surf cold winters.  This is the shortest and lowest volume sup I’ve surfed and while I didn’t feel completely stable I was fine when paddling for waves.  The board paddles well and catches waves easily (I think better than my JL boards), I was really surprised.  Other L41 owners mentioned the speed on a wave; I will say I felt it was too fast, I did not feel in control on steeper waves. I’m guessing one may adjust to this with regular use.  At about 1:43 in the video I try to slow down by dragging my paddle.  About 3:29 of the video I kicked out but would have like to do a rebound off the lip but again the speed was too fast for me.  On the flatter mushier sections it was easier to redirect and weave the board which felt good.  No big deal but I did notice a hum/whistle coming from the fins.  Now I’ll admit I tend to ride further up on the board and have that staggered stance maybe this lends to less control on a sup with speed?  Not sure.

Overall, a fun sup.  I’d probably go a ½’ to an inch wider but the length on this board seems fine.  It would not be my primary board, I think it’s good for mushy days and I already have the Superfrank for those conditions.  Bigger steeper days I think I’d be more comfortable on my Destroyer, I feel going slower allows more maneuvers under control.  Again tho this is one session in not so great conditions.  One thing is for sure it’s great when you can demo a board, thanks again NJS!

Ken
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: TallDude on June 22, 2021, 12:41:14 PM
Good report. It's definitely a different animal that takes getting used to. With traditional shapes like your Superfrank you have a brake pedal. You just stick the tail and slow yourself down. The L41 doesn't have brakes. The wide thin tail acts like a skim board, when you step back on the tail the board speeds up. You have to control you speed through the turns. My old green machine with a pulled in tail would slow down too much if I made a really hard bottom turn. On that board I would ride it more forward and make nice rounded bottom turns trying not to kill the speed to much. On the L41 I crank the hardest, sharpest laid over bottom turn I can to try to slow the board down. I get a ton of pressure on my paddle throughout the turn.

Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: TallDude on June 22, 2021, 12:43:31 PM
https://youtu.be/8RrZhUIhTFc
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: sflinux on June 22, 2021, 01:06:26 PM
Ken, thanks for sharing.  Having that Soloshot footage is so cool.  I had hum on my L41 butterknife, but it turned out the fin was cracked where the tab goes in the finbox.  Nicks on fins can also cause hum at speed.
I have the ST in the same dimensions.  You look so smooth on the board, definitely would not have guessed your first time on the board.
Dana posted a video of his ST when he was learning to do cutbacks on his ST:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXWuhyhHGZ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXWuhyhHGZ8)
TallDude, great stuff thanks for sharing.  I like the skimboard analogy. 
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: LBsup on June 22, 2021, 01:39:03 PM
TD, you have that ST dialed!

Sflinux, thanks good information in that video.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: ospreysup on June 22, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Nice Ken! A little bigger down by me this morning. I am getting ready to head out for session 2, nothing like a June tropical storm!  I need to do a review on my board but I will do that on a separate thread.

When I first got into SUP I talked to everybody I could. I remember a conversation with a person pushing me to a short but wide South County (I think that was the brand). He said to me, and I remember it like it was yesterday, "boards react differently for taller, bigger surfers." Of course, I went with an 11 footer. I am 6'2 245. So interesting to me that I find the instant lift and speed of the L41 an advantage in steeper waves. I think in Pono's reviews of the L41 he expresses the same thing. I believe Dana is on the taller side and of course, Talldude is as well. Just makes me wonder when we look at boards if we don't consider height and weight enough other than in terms of volume.

New board and new fins, they hummed right out of the gate. I sanded the fins a bit. it helped some with the humming
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: LBsup on June 22, 2021, 03:06:12 PM
Nice Ken! A little bigger down by me this morning. I am getting ready to head out for session 2, nothing like a June tropical storm!  I need to do a review on my board but I will do that on a separate thread.

When I first got into SUP I talked to everybody I could. I remember a conversation with a person pushing me to a short but wide South County (I think that was the brand). He said to me, and I remember it like it was yesterday, "boards react differently for taller, bigger surfers." Of course, I went with an 11 footer. I am 6'2 245. So interesting to me that I find the instant lift and speed of the L41 an advantage in steeper waves. I think in Pono's reviews of the L41 he expresses the same thing. I believe Dana is on the taller side and of course, Talldude is as well. Just makes me wonder when we look at boards if we don't consider height and weight enough other than in terms of volume.

New board and new fins, they hummed right out of the gate. I sanded the fins a bit. it helped some with the humming
Hey Jeff, could be me just needing to adjust.  Glad your taking advantage of this swell, should be decent again by you tomorrow.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: surfercook on June 22, 2021, 05:33:05 PM
Solid review, LB. That board looks super cool and you surfed it well for the first go. Was sooo fun this morning at my local. Looks like you got it good too!

My SS3 base has been in repair for 7 weeks for a battery swap out. Supposed to be here tomorrow finally! I've been using my old Canon sx50 as a ghost cam. Does the job but I miss the Opti65. It zooms in sooo close.

I was afraid my board was gonna break(again) on that blown late drop. Almost had it!


Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: PonoBill on June 22, 2021, 07:26:00 PM
You guys nailed it. Except that the accelerator pedal on an L41 is everywhere. Step back and it instantly speeds up. Step forward to try to calm that down and it speeds up. Do a cutback and it speeds up. Cutbacks are not an option, BTW. You have to do cutbacks or you leave the pocket behind. The only way I've found to slow an L41 down is to do a lot of cheap little wiggle-waggle skidding turns while you keep your weight centered or drag your paddle like you were digging potatoes. Eventually, you get used to it and get comfortable with it. Just like foiling. The first time you take off on a serious wave with a high aspect foil you think "Oh fuck, I can't control this". A few months later and you're pumping in the same size wave to keep your speed up.

One of my acquaintances in Hood River asked me last summer how to slow his foil down. He was quite serious--he felt like he was completely out of control. This morning I couldn't catch him--stretched out with a 6M wing, going upwind as fast as I know how to.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: LBsup on June 23, 2021, 03:27:09 AM
SC, thanks! Nice looking wave, good for you.  Hope you get the battery, I was wondering why you were posting pics instead of videos.

PB, I wonder if it’s all L41’s or the ST?  I’m friendly with a guy in my town who has the Bruce Wayne model I should check with him.  I know he loves it and has been riding it for several years now.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: sflinux on June 23, 2021, 07:50:32 AM
@ospreysup: Interesting observation of the taller rider on L41s.  Kirk is a larger surfer as well, (>6' and 210).

I am of the opinion that the TV Dinner and S5 ride differently than the ST and Simsup1.  The TVD loves to ride in the pocket.  The channel bottom and shape of the S5 (& Popdart (I have never tried a Popdart)) make the board ride differently than the ST.  I prefer the TVD and S5 for steeper waves.
AJR's Review of ST versus Popdart
https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,28011.msg300494.html#msg300494 (https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,28011.msg300494.html#msg300494)
"The Pd to me is the S4 nose, newer S5 grooved tail, and the ST rails.  The nose is pulled in more on the Pd but tail width is about the same at a glance. The ST has the deep V whereas the Pd is a double diamond with the grooves on the bottom. The rocker looks very similar to me and the ST seems to have a more pronounced belly nose.   I'm sure there are other differences that the trained eye could point out.

First couple of sessions were in mediocre (at best) conditions: calf to knee high, weak surf, windy and choppy. Stability was slightly less than the ST but plenty stable.  I felt the Pd wasn't made for these conditions - the ST would have been more fun but given the conditions nothing would have been a lot of fun.

The 3rd session was much better - chest high (or a bit bigger at times) at Tourmoline. The Pd needs more wave!!  Fast, loose yet not out of control, and easy to carve. The Pd didn't feel like a small skateboard on a steep hill like my S4.  I didn't feel like it took that extra half step to get back on the tail like with the ST. Maybe the narrower nose keeps me back more on the board?   It's also nice that I have the 5th box - gives me the option to add a trailer if I feel the need for more control. The Pd was loads of fun in these conditions!

I still love my ST and if I could only have one i would choose it - it's more of an all around board and just tons of fun.  The Pd is higher performance and a ton of fun if the waves are more substantial. I still need more time with the Pd to unlock its potential but it's definitely a keeper!"
Video of S5:
https://vimeo.com/71388073 (https://vimeo.com/71388073)
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: LBsup on June 23, 2021, 11:09:13 AM
@ospreysup: Interesting observation of the taller rider on L41s.  Kirk is a larger surfer as well, (>6' and 210).

I am of the opinion that the TV Dinner and S5 ride differently than the ST and Simsup1.  The TVD loves to ride in the pocket.  The channel bottom and shape of the S5 (& Popdart (I have never tried a Popdart)) make the board ride differently than the ST.  I prefer the TVD and S5 for steeper waves.
AJR's Review of ST versus Popdart
https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,28011.msg300494.html#msg300494 (https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,28011.msg300494.html#msg300494)
"The Pd to me is the S4 nose, newer S5 grooved tail, and the ST rails.  The nose is pulled in more on the Pd but tail width is about the same at a glance. The ST has the deep V whereas the Pd is a double diamond with the grooves on the bottom. The rocker looks very similar to me and the ST seems to have a more pronounced belly nose.   I'm sure there are other differences that the trained eye could point out.

First couple of sessions were in mediocre (at best) conditions: calf to knee high, weak surf, windy and choppy. Stability was slightly less than the ST but plenty stable.  I felt the Pd wasn't made for these conditions - the ST would have been more fun but given the conditions nothing would have been a lot of fun.

The 3rd session was much better - chest high (or a bit bigger at times) at Tourmoline. The Pd needs more wave!!  Fast, loose yet not out of control, and easy to carve. The Pd didn't feel like a small skateboard on a steep hill like my S4.  I didn't feel like it took that extra half step to get back on the tail like with the ST. Maybe the narrower nose keeps me back more on the board?   It's also nice that I have the 5th box - gives me the option to add a trailer if I feel the need for more control. The Pd was loads of fun in these conditions!

I still love my ST and if I could only have one i would choose it - it's more of an all around board and just tons of fun.  The Pd is higher performance and a ton of fun if the waves are more substantial. I still need more time with the Pd to unlock its potential but it's definitely a keeper!"
Video of S5:
https://vimeo.com/71388073 (https://vimeo.com/71388073)
Thanks for that information and video.  Love the way he rides the wave down the line! 

I asked a guy I know about his Bruce Wayne and speed, his response:

Hey Ken - Yes. I felt like i was on a rocket the first time i dropped into a wave on the L41. You get used to it and learn to scrub speed at times, but you'll like the speed when you're looking to make sections, and it pumps down the face of a wave better than any board I've ride. I've also found playing around with fins can change the way the board performs...I've settled on Colin Mcphillips thrusters.
 I have 2 L41's but the one I ride predominantly is a Bruce Wayne round tail...8'4 x 29 @ 118L. I also have a Bruce Wayne swallow tail at 8'5 x 30 @ 126L.  The 8'5" has become a backup board in case something happens to the 8'4". You are more than welcome to grab it and ride it for a few weeks and see how you like it before pulling the trigger on a new one.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: eastbound on June 23, 2021, 02:43:21 PM
my 35 cents (inflation):
thin is in for me
i like a 29 width max, even at as long as 8'8", certainly 8'4" or shorter -- wider not as rippable, not as tight on a bigger steep face -- wide feels "platey" -- im 6'2" 180 lbs
i go back to wider boards and dont like em
thin can be balancey on the paddleout and positioning, but worth the effort on the wave, imho

claudette was fun -- yesterday evening and at dawn today -- sleepy now -- nighty night
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: PonoBill on June 23, 2021, 09:29:02 PM
Nice video, that's an L41 in a nutshell though. Lots of cutbacks and wiggle-waggle, a little paddle dragging, and still he's getting out of the pocket.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: Dusk Patrol on June 23, 2021, 10:11:45 PM
This has been an awesome thread, through both the comments and vids, to really shine a light on these boards.  Thanks LB and all
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on June 25, 2021, 10:29:38 AM
Great to see you again this AM Ken!

Glad you enjoyed the board and I think everyones comments on the thread have it nailed!

I've found, as I mentioned to you in person, this has become my go to board 85% of the time for our speedy NJ waves below Chest high.

As a matter of fact the size waves you were in on it would probably be the max I would take that out in before going to my Genration Wedge.

it really is a great high tide weapon.  Ive been able to extend sessions well beyond proners and even other suppers when the waves fatten out.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: sflinux on June 25, 2021, 02:24:46 PM
In general, best to converse with Kirk to get an idea of sizing and model for your conditions.
But it seems the trend for riders that love riding L41 as their all-around board is to not go too small in terms of volume, to best balance the fun to work ratio.
The taller rider will appreciate width in terms of leverage.
For e.x.
ST:
AJR ST 8'4" x 31" 4.5" 136L 6'1" (225#)  [gf=1.33]
DEMO LBsup L41 ST 8' x 30.5" 129L 5'9" 200# [gf=1.42]
TallDude ST 8'8" x 32" 4.5" 146L 6'7" 225# [gf=1.43]
Northjerzsurfer: L41 ST 8' x 30.5" 129L 175# [gf=1.62]
StarboardSUPMan  ST 8'4" x 31.5" 136L 6'2" 175# [gf=1.71]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Simsup:
Ponobill: Simsup 8'8" x 32" x 4.5" 150L 235# 6'2" [gf=1.4]
Lopezwill: L41 Simsup 8'10" x 33" 159L 230# 6'4"  [gf=1.52]
Beasho: L41 Simpsup 8'2" x 32" 139L 180# [gf=1.7]

[gf = guild factor = volume of board (L) / weight of rider (kg)]
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: ospreysup on June 25, 2021, 04:08:41 PM
Just to add. I am 6'2 245. My ST is 8'10 x 32 160L. (GF=1.44)
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: supthecreek on June 26, 2021, 05:53:44 AM
Hi Ken, nice to see a vid of you again!
You handled the board well and the waves looked fun!

I have a few boards that are so fast, that I have to manage speed to get the ride I want.
Sometimes a top turn as I take off, then start carving control turns down the line before I get to Mach speed.
When I need the speed, I can run it into a longer arc, down the line turn, which handles the speed and gets around sections.

Now that travel stops are back in plan A, I will have to drop in some day, instead of wizzing past on my way up and down the coast!
I have missed the visits to surf with you my friend.... and all of the awesome Jerzy Crew!
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: LBsup on June 26, 2021, 06:24:25 AM
Hi Ken, nice to see a vid of you again!
You handled the board well and the waves looked fun!

I have a few boards that are so fast, that I have to manage speed to get the ride I want.
Sometimes a top turn as I take off, then start carving control turns down the line before I get to Mach speed.
When I need the speed, I can run it into a longer arc, down the line turn, which handles the speed and gets around sections.

Now that travel stops are back in plan A, I will have to drop in some day, instead of wizzing past on my way up and down the coast!
I have missed the visits to surf with you my friend.... and all of the awesome Jerzy Crew!
Hey Rick,  thanks!  Yea it sounds like there is an adjustment period to get used to fast boards.  I hope you do plan to make a stop or two in the Jersey area, please let me know when/if you do.  I’d love to demo the Placid, reading about it on the other site sounds like one I would enjoy.  Take care.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on June 26, 2021, 05:40:56 PM
In general, best to converse with Kirk to get an idea of sizing and model for your conditions.
But it seems the trend for riders that love riding L41 as their all-around board is to not go too small in terms of volume, to best balance the fun to work ratio.
The taller rider will appreciate width in terms of leverage.
For e.x.
ST:
AJR ST 8'4" x 31" 4.5" 136L 6'1" (225#)  [gf=1.33]
DEMO LBsup L41 ST 8' x 30.5" 129L 5'9" 200# [gf=1.42]
TallDude ST 8'8" x 32" 4.5" 146L 6'7" 225# [gf=1.43]
Northjerzsurfer: L41 ST 8' x 30.5" 129L 175# [gf=1.62]
StarboardSUPMan  ST 8'4" x 31.5" 136L 6'2" 175# [gf=1.71]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Simsup:
Ponobill: Simsup 8'8" x 32" x 4.5" 150L 235# 6'2" [gf=1.4]
Lopezwill: L41 Simsup 8'10" x 33" 159L 230# 6'4"  [gf=1.52]
Beasho: L41 Simpsup 8'2" x 32" 139L 180# [gf=1.7]

[gf = guild factor = volume of board (L) / weight of rider (kg)]

Im actually about 210.  so im around 1.36 GF. and on the lower side  But completely agree. these boards should be at 1.3 or above to be fun and fast.

Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: slsup on June 26, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
I have the L41 bruce wayne GF 1.25 so I don't know how relevant to the ST but it does have a relatively wider nose and tail similar to some of kurts other shapes.

I can use this board in a wide variety of conditions, but not super stable to stand around on for me. Anyway it has a very pronounced double concave/spiral v. I find the effect of this is to help split the board so when you are on rail your not feeling the width, and it also feeds from rail to rail very quickly. The trade off to me is it is hard to wrap a cutback all the way around or pivot off the tail. 0 to 90 degree turns no problem. If you've ever surfed a wider tailed fish surfboard thats kind of what I'm feeling more like a fish but still can carve it up in overhead surf. I have no problem with it being too fast or slow, but I would say it is happiest on fast down the line waves.

Kurt makes a variety of stuff so it's hard to generalize, my friend has a more traditional pin tail of his that he likes.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: SUPlime on June 27, 2021, 07:43:03 PM

I've found, as I mentioned to you in person, this has become my go to board 85% of the time for our speedy NJ waves below Chest high.

As a matter of fact the size waves you were in on it would probably be the max I would take that out in before going to my Genration Wedge.


I took my 7'11" 125L ST to Nicaragua two summers ago. Waves were consistently head+ and the ST (or at least me on the ST) wouldn't hold an edge on a steep face. I often felt like I was 'skating' out. Anybody else have this experience?
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: TallDude on June 27, 2021, 08:02:43 PM
When it gets OH+ and it's steep I'll surf my 9' green machine with a tradition pulled in nose and tail. Plus more rocker. It can handle the speed and the steep set up a thruster or quad. It needs to be big for that board to really perform. BUT...... 95% of the time, I'm on shoulder to head high slopey waves which is where my L41 ST is so much more fun.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: ospreysup on June 27, 2021, 08:53:39 PM
SUPlime and Talldude- This was exactly the conversation I had with Kirk. I was between a Popdart and the ST. I chose the added stability over the performance because I was buying sight unseen (or demoed). To quote Kirk on the ST compared to the Popdart for East coast waves; "Not as functional when the surf gets big and round.......but a great general purpose board." 

 I have only had my ST out twice in overhead and after experiencing the speed by flying off the back of my board on my first wave, I tried something a little different for me. On entry I gave an extra pump at the top (which is counter intuitive for me) which allowed me to get ahead of the wave  without speeding down the face. Once ahead of the wave,  I faded a cutback back to the pocket to kill the some speed. From there I continued to the cutback to kill speed. Not sure if this is a thing or just me being a kook but I felt like I was surfing way more of the wave face for me. Not sure how accurate the Apple Watch is but this was the biggest wave  (overhead+) and most amount of time on a wave I have every surfed. Also the first time I tried the little pump at the top with my ST.

Looks like you can see the little wiggle at the top on both waves in the picture.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on June 28, 2021, 05:20:19 PM

I've found, as I mentioned to you in person, this has become my go to board 85% of the time for our speedy NJ waves below Chest high.

As a matter of fact the size waves you were in on it would probably be the max I would take that out in before going to my Genration Wedge.


I took my 7'11" 125L ST to Nicaragua two summers ago. Waves were consistently head+ and the ST (or at least me on the ST) wouldn't hold an edge on a steep face. I often felt like I was 'skating' out. Anybody else have this experience?

Yep...not something I want to be in a dredging pocket or Head high bareling wave.  Definetly the board's kryptonite.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: PonoBill on June 28, 2021, 09:50:30 PM
The L41 is all about the fins. Connectors. I tried everything else I could think of because I broke one and I couldn't find connectors in local stores (SoCal). They're hard to find anywhere, but they make the L41 into a carving machine. Without great fins they skid out, with connectors they carve like buttah. It's been a while since I surfed my L41 and I just gave it away, but I never used as much of a wave until I got that thing, and it eased my transition to foiling since it's as close to foiling as you can get without being 2 feet off the surface with a sushi blade under you.

Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: Bean on June 29, 2021, 07:15:05 AM
Yes, Controllers (Futures) work well for sim-sups, (even boards with Probox fin boxes (Infinity Phoenix), with minor mods.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: sflinux on June 29, 2021, 11:16:37 AM
I agree Controllers work best. 
But in weak waves they can feel slow.  I experimented with fins and found that Keel fins are fun.  Feels like twins have less drag than quads.  Been using the Rasta Keels in weaker waves.  The area of the Rasta-keels is 24.6 versus 30.3 for the Controllers.  I have the Torren Martyn keel fins on my wish list (height 135mm/ base 178 mm), which look even bigger than the Rastas (height 121 mm/ base 174.5mm).
The Controllers are basically a split keel.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on June 29, 2021, 06:12:14 PM
I agree Controllers work best. 
But in weak waves they can feel slow.  I experimented with fins and found that Keel fins are fun.  Feels like twins have less drag than quads.  Been using the Rasta Keels in weaker waves.  The area of the Rasta-keels is 24.6 versus 30.3 for the Controllers.  I have the Torren Martyn keel fins on my wish list (height 135mm/ base 178 mm), which look even bigger than the Rastas (height 121 mm/ base 174.5mm).
The Controllers are basically a split keel.

This is an awesome peice of advice.  I also use controllers on my ST.  I'm going to give twins a rip and see how it works in the really gutless summer stuff.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: surfercook on June 29, 2021, 06:42:52 PM
I experimented with fins and found that Keel fins are fun.  Feels like twins have less drag than quads.  Been using the Rasta Keels in weaker waves.

I have a set of Rastas! They are def loose. But I use em with sidebites. Really like the control of a quad better than a twin.

Here's the 9'11" Hull Ripper in action with the Rastas. Got em w/sidebites for $70 off Craig's.

Summer Surf- 6/25/2021
https://app.soloshot.com/video/b54faa56-4bf4-4ca6-874b-63aaf8ca1d23

Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: PonoBill on June 29, 2021, 11:57:14 PM
Senior moment. I meant Controllers of course.
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: LBsup on June 30, 2021, 04:11:55 AM
I agree Controllers work best. 
But in weak waves they can feel slow.  I experimented with fins and found that Keel fins are fun.  Feels like twins have less drag than quads.  Been using the Rasta Keels in weaker waves.  The area of the Rasta-keels is 24.6 versus 30.3 for the Controllers.  I have the Torren Martyn keel fins on my wish list (height 135mm/ base 178 mm), which look even bigger than the Rastas (height 121 mm/ base 174.5mm).
The Controllers are basically a split keel.

This is an awesome peice of advice.  I also use controllers on my ST.  I'm going to give twins a rip and see how it works in the really gutless summer stuff.
I tried riding my Superfrank as a twin once and while it was really fun once on a wave, I found it hard to paddle straight and had to really adjust my paddle stroke to catch the wave.  Maybe Controllers or keel fins paddle straighter?
Title: Re: L41 ST Demo session
Post by: Bean on June 30, 2021, 07:51:54 AM
That could be an added benefit.  Way back in 2012, playing around with the Phoenix half moons on my 14' Fanatic (under the expert guidance of Larry Allison), I was surprised they seemed to track as well as the big single fin.
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