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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: BrownSugah on June 14, 2021, 08:49:00 AM
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SOOO much foiling - winging- etc all going on even SUP Journal covers them but is anyone just going for the SUP SURF GLORY lol
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YES of course !
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I get all the windy and foily activities, and why they must be fun.
But then I would surf less? Just continuing the long roll here, hopefully a ways to go.
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still SUP tons, but have to do something when it's windy and wing foiling is amazing fun
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!00% SUP
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I like the advice from Mo Freitas, ride everything (referring to SUP, longboard, shortboards).
My main passion was kite surfing but found SUP surfing a perfect complement for the windless and marginal days.
I grew up bodyboarding, never really got into surfing.
SUP surfing has gotten me into surfing midlengths.
I find some days are awesome for kite surfing, some are perfect for SUP surfing, and some are better for surfing.
I try to choose the gear that will maximize my fun depending on the conditions.
Recently, I saw my first wing foil at my local spot. Seemed to have benefit for cloudy/foggy low ceiling days where kites want to fall out of the sky.
But back to Mo's advice, I find that each of the sports I mentioned, complement each other, where getting better at one, brings a new set of skills to the others.
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Hard to believe we are already Old School.
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I still get a thrill when surfing... hope it never goes away...
Also love the minimal gear and the ability to cover a lot of ground... water
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I'd think that forums are simply weighted towards "how to" and at this point, "how to SUP Surf" is literally completely covered by simply searching the forum. I am personally eternally grateful to all who contributed. And really, this site is a book for new stand up surfers if you simply look for the most viewed threads on surfing.
So you SUS guys need to get started talking about sessions, trips, new boards, and all the stuff that is not related to the first 2 years you do something because that's what is left to discuss. Though you are free to have those discussions again, you will just have less folks who are stoked to talk about them.
The evolution of foiling is hot and heavy. But if you go back and look at 2010-2013 or so, you will see the same stuff. Come back in 2-3 years and one of us will be saying the same thing.
Let me remind the old timers of some progression highlights. lol
Everyone on big all-arounders, even racing
Race boards appear
Unlimiteds and DW boards appear
SUP surfboards get "real"
The BATTLE OF THE PADDLE!!!!
Race boards become 12'6"
We all figure out how to get out in big surf
We all figure out how to manage being caught inside
SUP surfboards get short
SUP surfboards get longer
Inflatables happen
Raceboards become 14'
and so on...
If you were here for all this then you know that this current foil focus is just the short SUP trend all over and if you search, a year into that guys were posting, "does anyone surf longer boards anymore?" and before that, "does anyone just go out and cruise on flatwater anymore?" and recently, "does anyone race anymore?"
So yeah, I'm sure people do surf but there aren't 100 SUP companies making them and we aren't seeing 1,500 people travel to CA to race in the surf and demo surf boards anymore and so you guys who are SUS'ing should 100% step up and post more content! ;)
The other thing that happened is that everyone above Malibu status who posted all the threads started foiling. If you look back at threads there will be thousands of views of a thread that like 5 people are talking on. The admin (and his ad revenue) needs you guys!
So if you surf and you want to see content, post. Because all us blowhards started foiling and all the other short board surf guys bought dirtbikes and mountain bikes. hahahahaha (Califoilia knows who I mean.)
But seriously, don't start foiling. It's like crack. Stay in school kids. Winners don't do drugs.
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I started surfing when I was 10
Years later, I started windsurfing/wavesailing to escape the surf crowds.
SUP surfing got me back into surfing because I could catch waves and paddle to outer breaks proners couldn’t or wouldn’t.
Wind surfing rigging , storage and travel got to be so arduous with too much gear.
Wing foiling
is a nice mix of surfing with sailing with minimal gear and easy to travel with. Ponds, lakes , oceans, even snow....plenty of options.
I still love nothing better than the scenic 10 mile paddle I did yesterday with my wife and that will never change. SUP is such a great sport and as hard or easy as you make it but almost always accessible.
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SOOO much foiling - winging- etc all going on even SUP Journal covers them but is anyone just going for the SUP SURF GLORY lol
ummmm, yeah.... but we still allow the token surfer to hang with us ;D
Pic from yesterday...
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I rarely post because my phone won't keep me logged in, but I'm a frequent lurker these days. I'm still all in with SUS!
Logan
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Very simple, I pick the best tool for the conditions, it just happens that foiling is better in a wider variety of conditions, here's the breakdown:
No waves/no wind = Work
Flat/Wind - Kite Foil
Waves below chest high/wind below 12 knots - Foil
Waves below chest high/wind 10-14 kts - Kite Foil
Waves (any size)wind >14 kts - Kite directional surfboard
Waves above chest high/no wind - SUP Surf
Waves knee high and not enough depth to foil - Longboard SUP
Thats about it.
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no
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Not since last summer but since my favorite long board is in the shop I'm going to grab a paddle this week(end)
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Creek if I had those empty waves I’d SUS more too!,
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Yes. I still enjoy it and will continue as long as I am able. It’s funny I started prone surfing again after around 8 years or so layoff and while it’s a lot of fun and challenging, I have realized while I like sup surfing so much. I can get into position much quicker, I can move away from a crowd, surf all types of conditions and tides and I get a ton more waves.
While I am intrigued by foiling at this point it’s probably something I won’t do. Sup or prone foiling is not ideal where I live due to the short beach break type waves and I don’t really want to invest the time and money to see what I might be missing.
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Yup. I got out the old Foote in SoCal last winter and had a good time with it. If conditions permit I'd rather surf foil, and if there's enough wind I'm wingfoiling, but I'm able to go back to a SUP surfboard without screwing up foiling, and vice versa. When I first started surf foiling I found it was absolutely incompatible with surfing, but I'm far along enough now to be able to switch off with minimal adjustment. My SUP surfing isn't at the level it was before I started doing all this foil stuff, but it's in the ballpark and I'm not an embarrassment in a lineup--or at least no more than usual.
Cowboy nailed it, there's not much point in writing about SUP surfing or downwinding or even just going for a paddle. Been there, done that about 24,620 times.
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Yes I still stand up paddle surf (WHEN THE FOILING SUCKS).
Love having my foil, wing dings and my stand up paddle board all in my rig.
I go our dawn patrol, foil if I can, if thats not working I stand up surf, If that is not working because of the wind, I try to wing ding.
There is another thread somewhere in here where I go on and on about how foiling helps my stand up surfing. I still truly believe that foiling helps your surfing and surfing helps your foiling.
Its good to get off balance on your standie from time to time to kedep yourself in check.
-red
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I started SUS at the age of 50, 7 year ago. I too will do it as long as the body will let me. There are many things that I love about SUP surfing but right near the top is I learn something new every time out. While I don't consider myself a beginner by any stretch, I do feel like I have a tremendous amount of growing left in my surfing. I am in a race to develop those skills before my body not physically allowing me to.
After a run on some longer performance boards, I am currently surfing only smaller (under 9 feet) Simmons shapes. I am still dialing in my new L41ST ( I should probably do a review) but it is a very different world of surfing. If you would have told me a year ago at 245 pounds I would be on an 8'10 I would have laughed my ass off. I don't know what will come next but I am fairly certain it will be SUS. Not sure I would want to learn to foil while I am so far from where I think I can go as a SUP surfer.
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SUP surfed Friday and had a great session. Dawn patrol, shoulder high, no wind, glassy, air temp 70 deg, water temp 65 deg, just me and 2 other prone guys out. I surfed from 6:15 am till 11:am and I was beat. A lot of waves 8) Wouldn't want to do anything else.
Still love my L41 8'8 ST. Wouldn't want to surf any other board.
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Same here still SUS, switch between short sup and longboard sup. I'm trying to learn sup foiling so that things might change.
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Yup, an L41 definitely shoves you forward in progression. Until I started foiling I've never gone that fast on any kind of surfboard before, never ripped the top off a wave or outran the the shoulder and had to do cutback after cutback just to stay in the power. I get the same kind of feeling from foiling.
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Does anyone, but me, still Stand Up Paddle ?
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Does anyone, but me, still Stand Up Paddle ?
My flat-water paddling has always been for pure enjoyment.... and I can't imagine my life without it! :)
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I SUS from about 2013 to 2018 continuous, but it sort of drug me back into the surf world and I find myself mostly prone surfing now. The last time I SUS was in 2019 in Maui. I will probably SUS this summer a few days.
My surf time has been limited this past year due to my kids' interests. My youngest daughter is getting into tournament golf and it just sucks a lot of time. The simplicity of the equipment is what I like about prone surfing. I have migrated back towards mid lengths (7-2 to 7-6) just because I can throw one inside my truck cab, and most of my surfing is done before and after business meetings near the coast. My favorite is HPLB, just because they are easy to catch waves on and still fun to ride.
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I came late to the party. Just before the foil revolution on the site (maybe 3.5 years ago). Standupzone saved me countless hours of trial and error, and helped me to progress/choose a board/surf safely and even made a few aquaintances. AND surfcowboy, for sure this site is an incredible how-to resource with so much advice. I am still committed to sup surfing and still check this site regularly.
But it is true, the maturity of the sport is evident. Not as many people making new contributions to the sport -- perhaps. because things are more locked down. Even in the videos of the pros you see this. Mo Freitas used to have the most excellent surf videos, as did Kai Lenny and so many other surfers. The Paddlewoo podcasts ended. At this point it leans more to being older guy sport; and supthecreek is leading the way there, and we need some more adventures in sup surfing to keep the progression going!
Seabreeze seems a bit more active at this point, and I go to SupBoarder Pro for their reviews of new equipment and technique vids. But beyond that, there is not much activity on the internet in what seems to be quite a healthy, if not niche, sport.
also, my apt. in Brooklyn, NY keeps me down to one board, and certainly wouldn't work with a Foil. Also, I'm kinda broke and can't afford all the craziness that wind-foiling entails.
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Never strayed. Yesterdays session from dawn patrol.
1:34 hour, 23 waves, 1.1 mile and 15 mph top speed.
I was happy.
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Never strayed. Yesterdays session from dawn patrol.
1:34 hour, 23 waves, 1.1 mile and 15 mph top speed.
I was happy.
Wow, that’s serious accuracy right there! I just know I get a bunch of waves, tho I do wear a watch so I’m not late for work. ;D
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Only SUP surf. Mostly try for dawn patrols now as our beaches are crowded by late morning. Hope to follow Creek's example and keep surfing well into my 70s. Crazy good fun!
Bob
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I SUP surf most of the time, along with a handful of friends. Overall as a group I would say we are intermediate skill level. We all pretty much began as prone surfers and added SUP in the past few years. Love the long rides and higher wave count. If it gets big enough or the conditions cause us to feel too far out of our comfort zone we switch back to prone.
I lurk around here almost daily, just don't post very often. Check seabreeze frequently as well. I have been thinking the posts in here have slowed some also. I really enjoy reading these forums and appreciate all the knowledge and information you all share. It has helped me tremendously. I guess I should post more often & ask more questions. There is still a lot more for me to learn.
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SUP surfed this morning with pro Daniel Hughes. I see him now and then. I see a studly looking young man with long hair standing in the lineup holding a paddle but no board. When I paddle out I can then see his board 2 1/2 feet below the surface and he's standing on it. Of course just ripping it up. He swapped a friend of his who was surfing on a 9' prone longboard. He was able to stand on it and paddle it around in the lineup 3 feet under water! It was hard for him to catch a wave because the long board shape didn't want to surface. He finally catch one deep and just shredded that long board up. Super nice kid.
We have a good swell building right now and the south wind had backed off this morning. I caught a ton of good waves:) Took a nap.. 8)
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As to, “does anyone just stand up paddle” the answer, and I don’t mean this in a demeaning way I promise, but yes. Tons of people own inflatables and paddle in lakes and rivers all over the world. If you watch a YouTube video from FL you will see SUPs in the background all the time and every large boat in every marina has 2 on board.
It’s just not the high level paddling that you hear guys doing on here and that used to be popular. But SUP in numbers is probably bigger than ever. It’s just not an enthusiast sport now, it’s more of a casual thing. But I can’t imagine that twice as many people aren’t paddling this weekend than were in 2012. Their boards are just cheaper now and they aren’t dropping in at Sunset.
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We're seeing fewer, but more experienced, stand-ups in our local lineups. (Subject to change as the water warms up.) ;D
Also, fewer day-rentals in our area will allow renters to take their boards into the ocean.
What seems to be trending in our lineups are soft tops, Wavestorms, Wave Bandits, etc. Thanks to JOB and Ben Gravy, these are no longer a definitive sign of the kook.
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Alive and thriving on Cape Cod
Last weekend I was out with at least 25 SUPsters in one session..... thankfully yesterday, I scored perfection with only 2 out :)
Also, the stoke is still worldwide, I consult more newbies from Japan to Germany and everywhere in between.... mainly SUP surfers.
and my YouTube Channel is constantly gaining subscribers
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I got out and sup surfed for the first time in about 6 months. Took the 10 year old Starboard Pocket Rocket 9'0 out in San Diego last Friday.
I was reminded after a few hours surfing that I miss it! My body was also SO SORE. I loved it.
I just got back from picking up a used 2017 14' Naish Glide GS off of Craiglist so I can paddle and surf no matter the wave size.
Once I lose a few lbs my Infinity Blurr 8'5x121l may work well again. Yes! I'm sup surfing!
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I still only SUP surf, and I've gotten into designing my own surf SUPs which keeps me extra stoked. I still prone surf quite a bit too.
When I load my car to go surf, I usually put in a surf SUP and a surfboard, and use the one most apt for the conditions.
I surf the most crowded beach break in los angeles, so having a surf SUP is a distinct advantage in catching waves.
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I just so this on Facebook and it looks so fun. Its no longer new but it is still a beautiful sport.
https://fb.watch/6lxfxGYQP6/
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I picked up a couple of used boards over the winter ( 10ft style & 8'8" hokua). Also have some friends wanting to try and I sometimes have to bring a spare board for one of them. Loading the car and being able to lock them up is getting to be a task. If I could go as often as I would like to I would want to find a van or something. Right now I am still working more than I want and surfing less than I want.
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I am, sort of. I'm still at the beginner stage.
I'm sure foiling is great but I'll stick with Sup surfing when winds are low and kite surfing when the wind turns up.
For me the benefit of SUP surfing is speed and simplicity. Change to wet suit, pull board out of bag, go!! Everything else has set up time, which basically makes sessions awkward for me.
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I only SUP surf. Though not as much as I used to. Has nothing to do with foils, just a more fucked up head....but I may try it when I visit brother Bill later this month. I'm more interested in getting a wing. Good surf is rare but we have a lot of sloppy onshore days. My daughter has an old Starboard cruiser with the drop down dagger board. If I like the wing I'll probably buy it from her.
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I've been resisting the foil temptation and still having a blast SUP surfing. As long as you're having fun!
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had some sweet overhead + surf past two mornings here south shore oahu
plenty of thrills for all
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I'm mostly a flat water paddler but I've started SUP surfing a little bit over in Santa Cruz and Pacifica and other than being really bad at it because I've never really surfed before... Its been a LOT of fun. So far my goals have been getting better stability in the ocean and not pissing off the locals, LOL.
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I pretty much am and always have been flatwater only. I finally gave it (SUP surfing) a shot a few years ago but it was ugly lol. I'm sure if I put in the time with it I'd get better but I just don't feel like dealing with the higher volume of board and paddle in hand for surfing. I'm actually looking into getting into mat surfing but that's a whole learning curve unto itself. For SUP I'll stick with flatwater.
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I'm in transition. I recently got a wing foil. I had to sell two boards to pay for it so I'm down to just one SUP. I'm hoping to SUP surf on clean days, wing foil when it's windy, and possibly do some SUP foiling as well. I've heard that foiling can mess with your SUP surfing ability so we will see how that goes.
Two beginner sessions in on the foil and now the wind has died with no wind in the forecast. Very little surf to speak of either. For times like this, I have an electric skateboard as backup.
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I'm in transition. I recently got a wing foil. I had to sell two boards to pay for it so I'm down to just one SUP. I'm hoping to SUP surf on clean days, wing foil when it's windy, and possibly do some SUP foiling as well. I've heard that foiling can mess with your SUP surfing ability so we will see how that goes.
Two beginner sessions in on the foil and now the wind has died with no wind in the forecast. Very little surf to speak of either. For times like this, I have an electric skateboard as backup.
Foiling absolutely messed with my SUP surf ability, just because of the different volume distribution on the board, the muscle memory taking off on a foil, etc. Of course, I pretty much went full-on foil and maybe SUP surfed 5 times out of 100 sessions in the last year.
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I have read that too, that wing foiling will mess up SUP surfing, and I have been waiting to see but I haven't felt it yet and been foiling for over a year and a half. Maybe windsurfing background had something to do with it .
It's possible SUP foiling will mess up my SUP surfing, but won't try SUP foiling until this winter.
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The missus and I still only SUP Surf, but we hang out with the foil crew because they're so chipper and happy all the time with their new toys and tales of gliding and revelry. I still see more suppers than foilers but it's getting closer to even these days.
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I have read that too, that wing foiling will mess up SUP surfing, and I have been waiting to see but I haven't felt it yet and been foiling for over a year and a half. Maybe windsurfing background had something to do with it .
It's possible SUP foiling will mess up my SUP surfing, but won't try SUP foiling until this winter.
Foiling totally hosed my SUP surfing and sup surfing screwed with my foiling. I think it's only true in the beginning when you're trying to make all the moving pieces mesh. The boards move completely differently and foiling emphasizes your front leg. I was pearling and falling on my SUP like I'd never done it before.
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Kia doesn't seem to have a problem switching back and forth?
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I just check in here every so often to see who’s started foiling from the initial group who said they only sup surf. ;D
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Still just SUP surfing!
The foil is tempting, but I don't think it adds anything to my days out yet. Once I am convinced that foiling would lead to more waves and fewer crowds I'm in. Here in Oregon though.... I surf alone most days.
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I just scored 5 days of epic sup surfing north of Santa Cruz a couple weeks ago. Glassy, head high reef points and uncrowded. I had a van full of foils and wings ready for action. The eel grass was shutting down the foiling for the most part. I was stoked to get on the Colin McPhilips 9'6" and do hot laps around the proners. I have always valued being versital and not being a unisport guy who cries if his sport isn't working. When I go to the ocean, I bring all the proper tools.
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I knew I’d rile a few of you up with that. 😅
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I watched a wing guy ride on foil for 30 minutes while I got tangled up in kelp on my prone foil for a half hour. 8 waves. Maybe 20 seconds of ride time. He had 2 miles of ride distance covered. :)
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I wake up every day just totally stoked about SUP surfing.
Around here it is necessary to get out at sunrise to beat the crowd.
Pics from 2 days ago.... LOVE this sport more than ever!!!
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Hi, New to the fourm but have SUP surfed since 09, & surfed before that (manual style). I switch it up - I have figured out how to SUP, SUP FOIL, & PRONE FOIL. I am on a 5'4" foam board at since the water is warm and waves are small. If over 3 ft then SUP for sure. Smaller than 3 ft then FOIL I tend to get hurt on the high speed foil crashes.
I get greeted at SanO all the time where's your foil? - No foil today SUP today.
I have be the only one out at SanO on a SUP in a crowd of foilers having a blast- they are scared of the late drops on the Dog Patch mush burgers. More for me.
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I surf Monday morning and this morning. There was 4 or 5 SUP surfers and maybe 8 or so prone at the break I've been surfing. Water temp went from 60 deg last week to 70 and trunking it this week 8) Kids are going back to school 'In Person' next week. That should kill the crowds a bit.