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Title: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on May 28, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
was fortunate enough to try out the pre-production Ocean Rodeo Allulla Glide today. Buckle up kids, this wing was so much better in everyway than anything I've tried(Naish, Duotone(*3), ozone, NSP, Takuma, Konrad, etc) it's almost a different animal. Massive wind range, incredible power, balance and responsiveness. Take my Money!
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: APPST_Paddle on May 29, 2021, 03:19:17 AM
Yeah, not into winging (yet), but I kite OR kites, have the 12m Aluula Roam. It's simply better at everything, as it should be to be honest.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: supfoo on May 29, 2021, 08:34:34 PM
Hey Vancouver foiler, are you being bias?  I know OR is a big deal up that way, just want to make sure you donít work or ride for them....
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on May 29, 2021, 11:14:48 PM
Nope, I know the crew for sure but I'm not employed, sponsored or directed in anyway to throw that review up. I I currently use takuma 3 wingride, ozone and Konrad wings. I generally use Neos to kite but do have an Allula Roam. I'm still a bit shocked at how far into next levelness that the full Allula wing was. When I get one, it will prob be the 5m...and a 4m...lol
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on May 29, 2021, 11:30:23 PM
I can't wait, just looking at the leading edge tells me what I need to know.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dontsink on May 30, 2021, 02:58:22 AM
I want one ,or two :)
What holds me back is that they are not yet using aluula based cloth instead of the ripstop.But they are tempting for sure.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: rbgar on May 30, 2021, 09:16:45 AM
I have a full quiver of Aluula kites and they are the best kites I've ever flown by far, can't imaging the OR Aluula wings not being the same as their kites!!
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on May 30, 2021, 09:51:47 AM
I want one ,or two :)
What holds me back is that they are not yet using aluula based cloth instead of the ripstop.But they are tempting for sure.

This was full Allula. Apparently A-series available in August.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dontsink on May 30, 2021, 10:30:10 AM

This was full Allula. Apparently A-series available in August.

??
You mean full aluula leading edge&boom?.
I am talking about the canopy material,they were developing a RipStop aluula-based replacement but it is not on this wings yet AFAIK.
And they have already tried aluula based bladders on kites,apparently lighter and stronger too.
In time the whole thing will be aluula tech.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on May 30, 2021, 11:09:11 AM
Quote from: Dontsink


This was full Allula. Apparently A-series available in August.
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??
You mean full aluula leading edge&boom?.
I am talking about the canopy material,they were developing a RipStop aluula-based replacement but it is not on this wings yet AFAIK.
And they have already tried aluula based bladders on kites,apparently lighter and stronger too.
In time the whole thing will be aluula tech.


Oh right, i should clairify- It was full Allula airframe and I think(?) bladder. The canopy itself was ripstop, still just stupid light. 
I suspect if your waiting on full Allula-canopy and airframe wing it may be a while and like...5(?) k if scaled up. That is just a guess based on the orientation of the leaves on the third tree on the right in our backyard.

I did manage to get out on the Hybrid Allula wing as well, (production version) and the handling and engineering on it is outstanding. This is with the Allula boom. If i remember correctly, we were able to pump the boom to a very high psi(12?).
Also quite light.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: SUPladomi on May 30, 2021, 12:55:47 PM
Here is the distinction between constructions.

GLIDE A-SERIES The entire Wing is 50% lighter than competing Dacron framed Wings! The airframe tear resistance is 2x stronger than Dacron!

DESIGN OVERVIEW The A-Series Glide is already many years ahead of the status quo in the fledgling sport of Wing Surfng. The entire airframe is built with revolutionary ALUULA composite assembled using the very latest in composite seam technology. The combination of the ALUULA composites and new seaming technology delivers an ultra light and stiff airframe that can handle higher PSI than Darcon air frames. This combination is undoubtedly the future of Wing construction.

THE AIRFRAME Built entirely of ultralight and super strong ALUULA 82gsm composite material. The leading edge and boom are 50% lighter and up to 50% stiffer than traditional Dacron airframe wings. The new composite technology combined with higher inflation pressure delivers the most responsive wing on the market. All maneuvers become easier with the A Series Glide Wing. Focus your attention on the water and this wing will be exactly where you want it, when you want it. No wrestling with the wing on transitions! This is truly next level wing performance!

GLIDE HL-SERIES The entire Wing is 20% lighter than competing Dacron framed Wings! The airframe boom is stronger and stiffer while also 50% lighter than Dacron booms!

DESIGN OVERVIEW The Hybrid Light (HL) Glide is the perfect first wing that will take you right up to launching in your first prolonged wave drifts and high speed airs. The airframe is a blend of revolutionary ALUULA composite and Dacron, while the canopy features time tested and proven blends of polyester rip stops.

THE AIRFRAME The HL Glide boom is built with an ultra light and strong ALUULA 82gsm composite material boom. The boom is 50% lighter than a Dacron boom and can withstand higher inflation pressure. This ultra light and stiff boom delivers instantaneous sheeting control, while stabilizing the canopy in gusts, keeping the air foil in its designed shape. When dropping your back hand and surfing or making transitions, the ultralight trailing edge of the HL Glide Wing will stay flying longer than an entirely Dacron framed wing; delivering longer wave glides and making all wing handling maneuvers easier. The leading edge is made with a rugged 160gsm Dacron. Both the ALUULA boom and Dacron leading edge use time tested and proven PU bladders

Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: SUPladomi on May 30, 2021, 12:59:33 PM
What holds me back is that they are not yet using aluula based cloth instead of the ripstop.But they are tempting for sure.

Curious as to why that is holding you back?

As VF said that would be a very expensive wing!
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dontsink on May 30, 2021, 01:40:23 PM
What holds me back is that they are not yet using aluula based cloth instead of the ripstop.But they are tempting for sure.

Curious as to why that is holding you back?

As VF said that would be a very expensive wing!

Because Ripstop is a necessary evil for wing use, it bags out pretty quick.Ok for kites but  wings live a harder life.
Right now there is no lightweight ,stronger alternative.
As for the price, as Aluula production and use ramp up  price will not rise as you predict (or so i am hoping :)  ).
Ocean Rodeo plans to sell Aluula to other manufacturers, from the interview with one of the CEO/founders of OR i think the problem right now is a very limited supply.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Phils on May 30, 2021, 07:04:51 PM
Interesting and disturbing (😀 given the prices). Better wing range on both ends?
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on May 30, 2021, 07:49:28 PM
What holds me back is that they are not yet using aluula based cloth instead of the ripstop.But they are tempting for sure.

Curious as to why that is holding you back?

As VF said that would be a very expensive wing!

Because Ripstop is a necessary evil for wing use, it bags out pretty quick.Ok for kites but  wings live a harder life.
Right now there is no lightweight ,stronger alternative.
As for the price, as Aluula production and use ramp up  price will not rise as you predict (or so i am hoping :)  ).
Ocean Rodeo plans to sell Aluula to other manufacturers, from the interview with one of the CEO/founders of OR i think the problem right now is a very limited supply.

Like i said, prediction based upon basically no real knowledge..
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on May 30, 2021, 09:24:50 PM
While the prices might seem silly, I think a two or three-wing quiver is not just feasible, but likely. If the wings cost 2X what standard wings cost but you only need two or three, then the quiver cost is about the same. I know I don't really need a 2.8. 3.5. 4.2.5.0. 6.0 7.0 quiver--but that's what I have. If I could cover the same span of wind and swell with 3.0, 5.0, 7.0 I'd be a happy camper.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on May 30, 2021, 09:41:56 PM
Bill you'll be happy. it sounds like a f'in kite add, but that 5m felt like a 4m in its handling but was as powerful as the 6m wasp. We did a bunch of head to head tests vs WASP, vs Takuma wing ride III vs hybrid series. I would prob do a 3.5, 5m allula quiver and be set at 190 pds.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Phils on May 31, 2021, 04:38:48 AM
Time will tell.  When winging first came on, we thought we would only need a couple of sizes due to their wind ranges.  But the reality is that there seems to be an optimal range for each wing and now most of the obsessed have full quivers.  I hope it is truly different for these wings.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Supfool on May 31, 2021, 10:18:11 AM
Hey Vancouver foiler, are you being bias?  I know OR is a big deal up that way, just want to make sure you donít work or ride for them....

Nice user name Supfoo.  I can tell you as a Vancouver kiter/wingfoiler that ORs actually aren't all that popular up here. I see way more Naish and Duotone, North and Airush kites typically.  Head across to Vancouver Island and it's a different story.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Solent Foiler on June 01, 2021, 08:03:46 AM
Bill you'll be happy. it sounds like a f'in kite add, but that 5m felt like a 4m in its handling but was as powerful as the 6m wasp. We did a bunch of head to head tests vs WASP, vs Takuma wing ride III vs hybrid series. I would prob do a 3.5, 5m allula quiver and be set at 190 pds.

Great to have some feedback, finally! Thanks! Been impatiently waiting for these to arrive in the UK...

What was the difference between the full Aluula A Series and HL/hybrid like? I'm currently on a waiting list for an HL/hybrid 5m (went for Slicks for 4 and 3m as I was boom curious). I was up for getting an A Series, but it was the Dacron canopy that made me pause. I expect to throw some cash at a three wing A Series quiver in future though...
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on June 01, 2021, 08:31:33 AM
Bill you'll be happy. it sounds like a f'in kite add, but that 5m felt like a 4m in its handling but was as powerful as the 6m wasp. We did a bunch of head to head tests vs WASP, vs Takuma wing ride III vs hybrid series. I would prob do a 3.5, 5m allula quiver and be set at 190 pds.

Great to have some feedback, finally! Thanks! Been impatiently waiting for these to arrive in the UK...

What was the difference between the full Aluula A Series and HL/hybrid like? I'm currently on a waiting list for an HL/hybrid 5m (went for Slicks for 4 and 3m as I was boom curious). I was up for getting an A Series, but it was the Dacron canopy that made me pause. I expect to throw some cash at a three wing A Series quiver in future though...

I'm not an expert or an OR spokeman so you may want to ask them, but the A series is full Allula airframe from what I saw. The HL is Allula boom and Dacron LE.
Seems like a lot of ppl are waiting for full Allula canopy. If that's the case I suspect you'll be waiting a very long time.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Solent Foiler on June 01, 2021, 02:06:48 PM
Bill you'll be happy. it sounds like a f'in kite add, but that 5m felt like a 4m in its handling but was as powerful as the 6m wasp. We did a bunch of head to head tests vs WASP, vs Takuma wing ride III vs hybrid series. I would prob do a 3.5, 5m allula quiver and be set at 190 pds.

Great to have some feedback, finally! Thanks! Been impatiently waiting for these to arrive in the UK...

What was the difference between the full Aluula A Series and HL/hybrid like? I'm currently on a waiting list for an HL/hybrid 5m (went for Slicks for 4 and 3m as I was boom curious). I was up for getting an A Series, but it was the Dacron canopy that made me pause. I expect to throw some cash at a three wing A Series quiver in future though...

I'm not an expert or an OR spokeman so you may want to ask them, but the A series is full Allula airframe from what I saw. The HL is Allula boom and Dacron LE.
Seems like a lot of ppl are waiting for full Allula canopy. If that's the case I suspect you'll be waiting a very long time.

Sorry, I should have been clearer with my question. It was the difference in performance between the two - thought you got to ride both?
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on June 01, 2021, 02:31:48 PM
Bill you'll be happy. it sounds like a f'in kite add, but that 5m felt like a 4m in its handling but was as powerful as the 6m wasp. We did a bunch of head to head tests vs WASP, vs Takuma wing ride III vs hybrid series. I would prob do a 3.5, 5m allula quiver and be set at 190 pds.

Great to have some feedback, finally! Thanks! Been impatiently waiting for these to arrive in the UK...

What was the difference between the full Aluula A Series and HL/hybrid like? I'm currently on a waiting list for an HL/hybrid 5m (went for Slicks for 4 and 3m as I was boom curious). I was up for getting an A Series, but it was the Dacron canopy that made me pause. I expect to throw some cash at a three wing A Series quiver in future though...

I'm not an expert or an OR spokeman so you may want to ask them, but the A series is full Allula airframe from what I saw. The HL is Allula boom and Dacron LE.
Seems like a lot of ppl are waiting for full Allula canopy. If that's the case I suspect you'll be waiting a very long time.

Sorry, I should have been clearer with my question. It was the difference in performance between the two - thought you got to ride both?

As i said above, the full Allula airframe was superior in everyway.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Solent Foiler on June 01, 2021, 03:19:10 PM
As i said above, the full Allula airframe was superior in everyway.

Ok, thanks!

Found your other thread, which fleshes out that assessment a bit...
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: crSUP on June 03, 2021, 05:40:29 AM
I can't wait, just looking at the leading edge tells me what I need to know.

I read this comment the other day and got me thinking, would you be so kind to elaborate what you look in a leading edge and why? (here or in a new post)

thanks for your contributions, I have been reading some of your adventures and they are.... at least entertaining  ;D
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on June 03, 2021, 09:04:27 AM
I can't wait, just looking at the leading edge tells me what I need to know.

I read this comment the other day and got me thinking, would you be so kind to elaborate what you look in a leading edge and why? (here or in a new post)

thanks for your contributions, I have been reading some of your adventures and they are.... at least entertaining  ;D

The allula leading edges are small diameter, taking advantage of the higher pressure capabilities of the fabric. A small diameter leading edge with typical wing pressure would be floppy. Large diameter leading edges backwind easily and are inefficient aerodynamically. (https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-cam6oqe/product_images/uploaded_images/ocean-rodeo-2021-aluula-glide-full-aluula-le.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Velasco on October 20, 2021, 02:16:28 AM
Any new feedback on the A-series Glide?
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: juandesooka on October 20, 2021, 08:33:52 AM
Any new feedback on the A-series Glide?

I got a 5m about a month ago. Used it 3-4 times, only in light wind so far, and I am extremely stoked.  The rigid frame provides excellent power transfer pumping, which extends its low end -- it has replaced my 6m for light wind.  The wing's lightness is really noticable when luffed wave riding.  I had doubts about the style of handles, but was pleasantly surprised....they just seem to work, both for hand pivoting in gybes and to make the grab for luffing.  I am hyper critical about gear, in weighing pros/cons, but can't think of anything negative (other than price of course). 

This mackite review goes over it ... he's pretty frothed out on it.  His conclusion is that this sets the new standard and is the future of wings.  I tend to agree ... 5 years from now I suspect there will be a divide between the high end performance gear made with aluula (across all brands, not just OR), and less expensive entry level gear for beginners and hacking around.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_fWL4mzxDE

Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on October 20, 2021, 07:31:24 PM
Wow, looking at that powered up shape in the middle photo is making me crazy. Beautiful wing. the shape wouldn't be any cleaner if it were made out of fiberglass.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on October 20, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
Stoked! Looks like this wing is found a good match in the rider 8) But man, those shots are right out of the catalog...
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on October 20, 2021, 10:23:41 PM
Is that a cut up power cord for a harness line on your 2k wing?
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: juandesooka on October 21, 2021, 10:27:37 AM
Is that a cut up power cord for a harness line on your 2k wing?
Troll....you KNOW it is!   ;D

Works pretty well actually, better than rope (too limp, gets stuck in hook), not as good as the proper plastic covered line you made for me and I've yet to attach.   :P
The main negative for the power cord solution....when pumping it swings back and forth violently, and it hurts if you get whipped in the face by it. The other negative, it looks bad.

Back to the thread: my half-a**ed power cord loop is not up to the quality standard this wing deserves, and I pledge to do better.  8)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on October 23, 2021, 08:57:50 PM
Is that a cut up power cord for a harness line on your 2k wing?
Troll....you KNOW it is!   ;D

Works pretty well actually, better than rope (too limp, gets stuck in hook), not as good as the proper plastic covered line you made for me and I've yet to attach.   :P
The main negative for the power cord solution....when pumping it swings back and forth violently, and it hurts if you get whipped in the face by it. The other negative, it looks bad.

Back to the thread: my half-a**ed power cord loop is not up to the quality standard this wing deserves, and I pledge to do better.  8)

I had to. lol.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: peterwSUPr on November 08, 2021, 05:17:05 PM
Does anyone have anything they can add about the HL series wings?  I get that paying the extra $$ for the full Aluula will give you a better wing, but can anyone break this down a bit more?  I understand that the HL series will be not as light, but still lighter than most or almost all others.  I assume(?) that the dacron leading edge is a larger diameter but is still not as stiff as the A-series.  Is that mostly an issue for heavier riders perhaps?  Maybe the low end is not quite as good with the bigger LE tube?

Maybe the simpler question might be that if the full Aluula wings are better than the vast majority of the wings, how does the HL series compare to the other popular models out there?  Is it just in among the crowd, or does it still stand out among the others?

Thx,
Peter
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Velasco on November 26, 2021, 10:26:49 PM
If you haven't taken off the middle handle and repositioned the front and back handle (to the newly vacated spots), stop what you are doing and take care of that immediately - I did this today and the wing woke up and realized its full potential...

Stock out of the bag, my 5.0 was great when there were whitecaps.  I could not pump the wing because the handles were pretty loosey goosey.  I had used it for a handful of sessions and started looking forward to when OR was going to release the boom that could be retrofitted to the Glide.

After thinking about how I loved the Ensis V2 handles, and looking at the handles on the Glide, I undid the center handle and took the slack out of the front and rear handle by using those connection points - this is a totally different wing now - huge range, awesome "power" (forward drive, not grunty lift), and can pump super easy now.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on November 26, 2021, 10:56:33 PM
Mark Raaphorst fabricated a rigid, super light boom that slips into the handle pockets. A lovely piece of work. I guess I need to get one of these.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on November 27, 2021, 06:59:57 AM
Mark Raaphorst fabricated a rigid, super light boom that slips into the handle pockets. A lovely piece of work. I guess I need to get one of these.

My understanding is that OR is going to come out with their Carbon boom add-on in a month or two... Maybe Mark will give you his once it's released
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on November 27, 2021, 07:01:17 AM
If you haven't taken off the middle handle and repositioned the front and back handle (to the newly vacated spots), stop what you are doing and take care of that immediately - I did this today and the wing woke up and realized its full potential...

Stock out of the bag, my 5.0 was great when there were whitecaps.  I could not pump the wing because the handles were pretty loosey goosey.  I had used it for a handful of sessions and started looking forward to when OR was going to release the boom that could be retrofitted to the Glide.

After thinking about how I loved the Ensis V2 handles, and looking at the handles on the Glide, I undid the center handle and took the slack out of the front and rear handle by using those connection points - this is a totally different wing now - huge range, awesome "power" (forward drive, not grunty lift), and can pump super easy now.

Thanks for the tip! I'll try that as soon as I get mine 8)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on November 27, 2021, 05:03:59 PM
Does anyone have anything they can add about the HL series wings?  I get that paying the extra $$ for the full Aluula will give you a better wing, but can anyone break this down a bit more?  I understand that the HL series will be not as light, but still lighter than most or almost all others.  I assume(?) that the dacron leading edge is a larger diameter but is still not as stiff as the A-series.  Is that mostly an issue for heavier riders perhaps?  Maybe the low end is not quite as good with the bigger LE tube?

Maybe the simpler question might be that if the full Aluula wings are better than the vast majority of the wings, how does the HL series compare to the other popular models out there?  Is it just in among the crowd, or does it still stand out among the others?

Thx,
Peter


Peter,

The  Hybrid Glide is still best in class, or close to. The wing Is still very light, handling fantastic and the high pressure strut/boom is a beauty.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: peterwSUPr on November 28, 2021, 03:21:29 PM
Thanks for the info.  I actually bought a 4m a couple days after I asked the question above and got one good day on it before it got sub-zero and too cold here.  I have only ridden a few other wings but I was quite impressed and happy with the purchase.  I might have to try the tightening of the handles tip, although I was able to undo the middle handle at one end and slide on a regular windsurfing harness line on the middle handle, and then fine-tune its position for nice balance, so that was kind of nice too!

Peter
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 29, 2021, 04:06:35 AM
The carbon handle option from the manual.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51711932762_c68baf8f79_k.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on November 29, 2021, 11:27:02 AM
That's clever, but intrinsically wobblier than what mark did. His has long, fingers that fit under the strap from the opposite direction. and are curved to fit the strut. He made the ends detachable, which is probably a mistake. A fixed end can be fitted while the strut is deflated. I think this base design of a strap that any kind of handle can fit under is the direction wings will go in the future. It's a simple thing to do, extremely light, and far more flexible in terms of what the end configuration is--mini booms, full boom, handles, or whatever. It's more or less what Admin has been insisting would be best for the last three years. Though I think he was imagining something more like a threaded strut. This is better.

With the inherently rigid Allula fabric pumped to a higher tension than dacron can be, it's ideal. If I wasn't feeling like I'm leaking money right now I buy one today.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on November 29, 2021, 06:49:48 PM
It is clever. Probably lighter solution as well.
Should extend the low end of this wing.

4M A Series on its way. Would be very interesting to test the range of this one
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 30, 2021, 03:45:37 PM
I was one of those guys who said ďno way am I buying a wing that expensiveĒ

Well then I tried one.

They are special. Very special.

Looking beyond the obvious, the Aluula, my amateur wing designer mind is saying hum, look at thisÖ

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51716445268_68fb264889_z.jpg)
Wing tips twist UP. Called washout in the hang glider world. By contrast, BRM tips twist DOWN.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51715384007_2a8a48f7ac_z.jpg)
The leading edge arcs upward. Other wings lay flat when tipped to one side. Interesting.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CW30kwoFVye/?utm_medium=copy_link
I WAS going to make carbon handles, now Iím not. I think these handles might be better than rigid carbon. These handles are direct and responsive, while being the most comfortable on the handsÖever!  Without the wrist torquing you get with a hard boom.

https://youtu.be/Trzf6OaCdTY
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on November 30, 2021, 04:52:46 PM
I was one of those guys who said ďno way am I buying a wing that expensiveĒ

Well then I tried one.

They are special. Very special.

Looking beyond the obvious, the Aluula, my amateur wing designer mind is saying hum, look at thisÖ

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51716445268_68fb264889_z.jpg)
Wing tips twist UP. Called washout in the hang glider world. By contrast, BRM tips twist DOWN.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51715384007_2a8a48f7ac_z.jpg)
The leading edge arcs upward. Other wings lay flat when tipped to one side. Interesting.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CW30kwoFVye/?utm_medium=copy_link
I WAS going to make carbon handles, now Iím not. I think these handles might be better than rigid carbon. These handles are direct and responsive, while being the most comfortable on the handsÖever!  Without the wrist torquing you get with a hard boom.

https://youtu.be/Trzf6OaCdTY

Ross Harington was a Hangglider pilot for many years. He was one of the only people that were trusted to design and repair gear. That was 30 years ago, so he has prob learned a few things since then most likely.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on November 30, 2021, 04:55:56 PM
Dude.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 01, 2021, 09:58:21 AM
I saw a photo of Marks wing with the carbon boom. His wing is different than mine. Older model?

Notice how my center strut has 6 attachment points for the handles. Marks wing only has 4 attachment points. Mine has the option to setup tight handles, or loose handles. Mark has no options. I can understand why he absolutely had to make his own boom if his wing came with loose handles.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51717048985_0b52ca75a0_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 02, 2021, 05:31:07 AM
Cool screen grab from a video. The US flag on the side of the building is the size of an NBA basketball court.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51720268135_6157510019_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 02, 2021, 04:51:42 PM
Closer look at the handles

https://youtu.be/HemokHEPjkw
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on December 02, 2021, 05:52:20 PM
I saw a photo of Marks wing with the carbon boom. His wing is different than mine. Older model?

Notice how my center strut has 6 attachment points for the handles. Marks wing only has 4 attachment points. Mine has the option to setup tight handles, or loose handles. Mark has no options. I can understand why he absolutely had to make his own boom if his wing came with loose handles.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51717048985_0b52ca75a0_z.jpg)

Pretty solid upgrade moving the handle attachment points wider.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: ninja tuna on December 02, 2021, 06:28:16 PM
Cool screen grab from a video. The US flag on the side of the building is the size of an NBA basketball court.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51720268135_6157510019_z.jpg)


Very cool photo Dwight.

You obviously like the OR, are you going to fill us in.

The flag is actually more than double the size of an NBA basketball court.   209 feet tall by 110 feet wide.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 02, 2021, 06:40:33 PM

The flag is actually more than double the size of an NBA basketball court.   209 feet tall by 110 feet wide.

Jacky and I debated what they told us on the tour bus. I said football field. She swears they said NBA court. Sounds like the tour guides are making it up as the go. ;-)

We took the tour when than ran a special deal for locals.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: headmount on December 03, 2021, 11:07:42 AM
Cool screen grab from a video. The US flag on the side of the building is the size of an NBA basketball court.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51720268135_6157510019_z.jpg)
So is this near Cape Canaveral? 
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 03, 2021, 12:39:37 PM

So is this near Cape Canaveral?

Yes. I live 5 miles from the cape employee gate and Blue Origin factory.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on December 04, 2021, 07:57:49 AM
If you haven't taken off the middle handle and repositioned the front and back handle (to the newly vacated spots), stop what you are doing and take care of that immediately - I did this today and the wing woke up and realized its full potential...

Stock out of the bag, my 5.0 was great when there were whitecaps.  I could not pump the wing because the handles were pretty loosey goosey.  I had used it for a handful of sessions and started looking forward to when OR was going to release the boom that could be retrofitted to the Glide.

After thinking about how I loved the Ensis V2 handles, and looking at the handles on the Glide, I undid the center handle and took the slack out of the front and rear handle by using those connection points - this is a totally different wing now - huge range, awesome "power" (forward drive, not grunty lift), and can pump super easy now.

Thanks for the tip! I'll try that as soon as I get mine 8)

That was exactly my experience on the 4M. Very responsive when pumping, just as good as boom based wings I tried but without the extra load.
First try on 15knots day, easily up on a 1600 foil (a thin profile mid aspect) with my 190+ and 25LB rig.

This wing rides very different than my F-one Strike/Swing, Not better across the board but certainly better in certain areas. Much more stable both luffing and when waiting for gusts.
Much more responsive when pumping. It's about a pound heavier than my 3.5M Swing but feels just as light when handling. The 3.5M feels like a toy kite in comparison.

When it comes to upwind riding this wing is also very different the the Strike. With the Strike I'm able to point upwind much sooner and have better ability in light conditions
but with the Glide, as soon as I build a little speed, I'm able to hold a much better line without continuously edging.

Will see how it goes once have more time on the wing but I'm stoked. I tried few other highly regarded wings and I couldn't wait to end the session and go back to my F-one.
Not the case with the Glide. One of the big differences for me with the Glide is the front hand pressure where with the F-one is back hand. Just 2 Cents of a not highly skilled winger.

One thing I can say for sure is that after reconfiguring the handles I'm no longer looking forward to the carbon handles.

Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Beasho on December 09, 2021, 04:35:52 PM
How differentiated are the Glide-A vs the Glide-HL Ocean Rodeo models?  Does the Glide HL cut it or do you have to go full Allula for the benefits?

I am specifically looking at 4.0 meters to start.  I am massively leaning towards a boom WING but am getting swayed by the light weight and surfability observed by these OR wings.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 09, 2021, 05:25:52 PM
  Does the Glide HL cut it or do you have to go full Allula for the benefits?


We were prepared to buy HL in smaller sizes and A in bigger. Mainly because the internet opinions had stated Aluula was so stiff, some said, everyone might not like it. Better to go softer construction in smaller sizes, they said.

We did not take that advice AFTER riding the OR A wing 5m and 6m. My wife and I are continually amazed by these two sizes. We both swear these wings have a surreal ride. Buttery smooth to a level that is shocking (even for my 116 lb wife) They make gusty offshore wind, feel dead steady. My best guess is, the rigid airframe NOT distorting is why, and maybe a brilliant wing design. Dacron wings distort in every gust, possibly making the ride feel more gusty.

We have yet to experience high wind. Our sessions so far maxed out at gusts to 19-20 on the wind. We have maybe 6 sessions on the 5 and 6. We have been avoiding rigging smaller to test stability at the limits. Rock stable in the harness. You can ride no hands, like a windsurf sail.

We decided to go full Aluula and bought the 4 and 3 also. Leap of faith solely based on how superior the design of OR 5 and 6 is.

Youíll notice the OR team rider in this video also changed his handles to the wide and tight setting.

https://youtu.be/zKUPlZS-ZKQ

Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on December 09, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
How differentiated are the Glide-A vs the Glide-HL Ocean Rodeo models?  Does the Glide HL cut it or do you have to go full Allula for the benefits?

I am specifically looking at 4.0 meters to start.  I am massively leaning towards a boom WING but am getting swayed by the light weight and surfability observed by these OR wings.

I can't speak about the HL as I got the Glide-A 4M. This wing is 3.5lbs. But feels like nothing. All my friends with Armstrong, Duotone, Cabrinha were super impressed how light this wing feels.
As far as responsiveness, for me, it felt as responsive as the DuoTone Echo but felt much better in operating. I recently added the SlingShot Phantasm PTM 926 to my quiver. This foil requires aggressive short quick wing pumps to get it up, especially with my board and its long tail. The OR got me up easily on a 17knots day. They do have carbon handles attachment compatible with this wing coming up shortly, just in case you'll feel the need. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on December 09, 2021, 07:38:46 PM
Wait till you try next years models...wow.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Solent Foiler on December 09, 2021, 11:13:46 PM
Wait till you try next years models...wow.
Someone on the Australian site has said they have tried a Glide with a full Aluula based canopy? Can you confirm or deny?!?

I was very excited when I first heard about these wings and I'm still very excited about these wings, despite not buying this season - they just took too long to land in the UK so got the Slicks instead. If a full Aluula canopy is on the way, I expect to be much poorer for it, and will wait as long as it takes!
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 10, 2021, 04:00:17 AM
I know for a fact, new canopy materials are being tested by another brand. These materials are from the same family of materials as the newest leading edge materials, Hookipa, Aluula, etc.

Was told the best wings will have no polyester based material (Dacron/Tejin/X-ply) by late 2022 or 2023.

This is what we can buy today, so Iíll worry about that when we can buy them. Old guys donít have time to wait.

Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: deja vu on December 10, 2021, 07:43:05 AM
This is what we can buy today, so Iíll worry about that when we can buy them. Old guys donít have time to wait.

No need to rationalize a purchase once you hit a certain age -- no point worrying about the future.  I'm living my future in real time!

Good thing this sport is maturing at warp speed (IMO, it took windsurfing 20 years to progress to where winging is after 3 years).

DW -- I have to admit you've found a way to stay on the bleeding edge.  If I want to know what's happening equipment wise in this sport I just check out your videos and posts.   :)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on December 10, 2021, 09:26:14 AM
I have the same basic philosophy about gear and age, but it battles with a fundamental frugality learned when I was poor.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: deja vu on December 10, 2021, 10:20:09 AM
I have the same basic philosophy about gear and age, but it battles with a fundamental frugality learned when I was poor.

For many, who have some financial resources during their "mature" years, it took years of frugality to get there.  Old habits die hard -- I keep reminding myself that I can't take it with me and my beneficiaries will probably spent it without a second thought about where it came from.  I'm at the point where that old 60's song now makes sense -- "Da da da da da da live for today for tomorrow may never come".
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: juandesooka on December 10, 2021, 10:26:34 AM
I have the same basic philosophy about gear and age, but it battles with a fundamental frugality learned when I was poor.

Ding ding. Same for me! In becoming a lifelong surfer, one of the deciding factors in early 20s was cheaper gear and not buying lift tickets.  And now here I am chasing foils and wings LOL.  Now in early 50s, I am getting the advanced mid life crisis feeling about just how many years are left for this level of activity.  So spend the $ now. Though listen to Jim Bones Progression Project podcast....74 and doing 6 hour sessions!  There's still some time. But he's buying whatever gear he needs!

Back to thread subject: I have moved my 3m HL / 5m A-series to the 4/6 A-series quiver that I feel I "need".  Now ready to rumble.  Though I already have regrets about giving up the 3m....when the wind's high 30s or 40s, that small wing is gold. I will see how the upper end of 4m is like, and may end up reinvesting.  Former ozone winger, loved that wasp, I used my 4m to mid 40s but I know a part of that high end performance was how bagged out it got, the extra flex in handles and leading edge helping soften those gusts.  :P   I foresee the 4m aluula ripping my arms off in 40kt.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on December 10, 2021, 11:04:35 AM
Yeah, Jim is a force of nature. Interesting aside--Jim and the Artist Ari Vandershoot were the first owners of Ponohouse. Some day I'll get the full story from Jim. He's one hell of a waterman, always fun to talk with, and he's amazingly agile, getting up on his prone board so fast and smooth. That's simply impossible for me. We're more or less the same age--74. They give short rides on this merry-go-round.

But yes, Juan, I'm certain my heirs will blow through any inheritance with a tiny fraction of the attention I give to preserving the bucks--then again I don't want to spend my last decade flipping burgers or greeting at Walmart.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: cnski on December 10, 2021, 11:10:58 AM
First one of you geezers to buy a Mike's Lab wins. Actually suprised it hasn't happened already....
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on December 10, 2021, 12:57:53 PM
If I thought it would work for me, yeah, sure. I don't see anything there for fat geezers.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 10, 2021, 01:01:37 PM
First one of you geezers to buy a Mike's Lab wins. Actually suprised it hasn't happened already....

Iíve heard about two people who tested the Mikes Lab 1100 back to back against the ART-999 and both thought the 999 was better. Mike has the better mast though.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: spindrift on December 10, 2021, 04:34:32 PM
Wait till you try next years models...wow.

Not fair to offer the gift and then not open the box. :-X
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on December 10, 2021, 04:53:20 PM

Iíve heard about two people who tested the Mikes Lab 1100 back to back against the ART-999 and both thought the 999 was better.

Were they fat geezers by any chance? Just so I know how many years I have on this foil before I need to switch to an ART ;D
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 19, 2021, 04:56:23 AM
My wife has noticed one feature of the A-Glide that is particular to her. She has mentioned it several times after a session. Harness hook-in is way easier. The power is so smooth and steady, she never has an oh-shit, almost did a wheelie moment, trying to hook-in. Being 116 lbs, this issue probably doesnít apply to many others.



Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 27, 2021, 05:47:51 PM
The carbon handle on the OR. The contest going on now.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51781523749_2c46aeea35_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 28, 2021, 05:12:51 AM
https://youtu.be/9wDFJ6mL_8g
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: headmount on December 28, 2021, 09:16:19 AM
My wife has noticed one feature of the A-Glide that is particular to her. She has mentioned it several times after a session. Harness hook-in is way easier. The power is so smooth and steady, she never has an oh-shit, almost did a wheelie moment, trying to hook-in. Being 116 lbs, this issue probably doesnít apply to many others.

Which inflation pump do you use for the A-glide?  12 lbs is alot of PSI
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: deja vu on December 28, 2021, 12:41:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYR6eajh3HY
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 28, 2021, 01:23:37 PM

Which inflation pump do you use for the A-glide?  12 lbs is alot of PSI

WMFG. It goes to 14 psi.

https://wmfg.co/products/wmfg-kiteboard-pump-4-0t-1
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: wingdingjoe on January 07, 2022, 09:15:06 AM
We keep just reading amazing reviews on this product...with the only gripes being (by some) the floppy handles and wishing that OR would hurry up wiht the carbon handle upgrades. Anyone have any inside info about when those handles might go into production?

Has ANYONE had any quality control issues yet? unexpected delams or stitching problems or valve problems with the ORs? Im so close to pulling the trigger on a 6meter....but also Morbidly curious as to the release of other brands Alula offerings...anyone have an idea on when hte DLab doutone might be hitting the market? Other brands?

I read with keen interested the posts that DWIGHT has made about the Tip washout geometry of the OR and it will be very interesting to see if the competitors do something similar or just keep their geometry the same but with stiffer material. Im having such a blast rediscovering our entire coastline with WINGING after 20 years of kiting it that i can ALMOST justify just burning through my lifes savings on all the new and great gear...just hard to believe there arent ANY pet peeves or negative comments about the GLIDE wings yet..jeje...
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: VB_Foil on January 07, 2022, 12:40:50 PM
Im in a similar position, looking at replacing my 5M-6M wing range with an OR or maybe the Duotone D-Lab, which is rumored to be out in March stateside.  The LE on my 5M BRM is gigantic.  A slimmer faster OR looks amazing. 

I'm concerned I wouldn't like the D-Lab hard handles.  One more potential ding machine for my board's rails (especially doing stinkbug starts in hectic conditions.  The LE looks pretty large here as well, so maybe not taking into account Allula's performance characteristics from design standpoint, simply an alternative construction. 

Nuzzo recently posted on Insta about finally figuring out the 'tight' handle position, which 'made it much easier to ride in gusty conditions', so his complaint about touchy gusty performance seems to be nullified.  He did mention he wished there was a firmer LE handle for more control when DW riding, so maybe that could be a minor gripe. 

Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 07, 2022, 05:37:33 PM
bad news guys, the only negative is cost.

Swapped on the water today with a bud riding a Dacron wing. OMG, what a nightmare riding Dacron. Aluula forever.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: gone_foiling on January 07, 2022, 06:37:19 PM

Swapped on the water today with a bud riding a Dacron wing. OMG, what a nightmare riding Dacron. Aluula forever.


So dramatic  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: VB_Foil on January 07, 2022, 07:13:50 PM
I was this close to joining Nuzzo on a downwinder to test the OR and X Wing, but both my kids got ill the night i was about to jet pre-dawn. Itís hard to pull the trigger on Aluula without demoing lol.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Thatspec on January 07, 2022, 07:14:48 PM
Watch from 1:58:00 for 30 seconds or so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN1MiCnLkKY

Mathis Ghio, the top OR racer getting smoked by dacron ;D
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dontsink on January 08, 2022, 01:26:20 AM
Watch from 1:58:00 for 30 seconds or so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN1MiCnLkKY

Mathis Ghio, the top OR racer getting smoked by dacron ;D

Truly smoked :)
But i do not know if the wing mattered much, once Titouan gets upwind and in front at the buoy Mathis was riding in his dirty air.

I think foil size and design have a much bigger say in speed and upwind performance than wings.

I would like to see  GPS tracks of someone going upwind, same day, same gear but swapping a Dacron vs Aluula wing of same size.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 08, 2022, 04:07:48 AM

I would like to see  GPS tracks of someone going upwind, same day, same gear but swapping a Dacron vs Aluula wing of same size.

Here is the deal. Learned while swapping wings with my buddy on Dacron. Itís draft stability. Sure you can go wind on Dacron and compete with Aluula, but wholly shit what a cluster fuck fighting the shift draft stability all the way upwind. Meanwhile on the Aluula, Iím cruising no hands smoking a cigarette (not really). But you get the point.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Thatspec on January 08, 2022, 08:28:21 AM

Truly smoked :)
But i do not know if the wing mattered much, once Titouan gets upwind and in front at the buoy Mathis was riding in his dirty air.

I think foil size and design have a much bigger say in speed and upwind performance than wings.



Sure, clear tactical error by Mathis going too wide at the buoy and Titouan capitalizing, brilliant move. These guys are both on very similar size 'kite' foils in the 5-600 cm2 range.

Itís draft stability. Sure you can go wind on Dacron and compete with Aluula, but wholly shit what a cluster fuck fighting the shift draft stability all the way upwind.

Nonsense ;D, this is also clear in the video, the Strike looks perfectly well locked in. A properly designed wing doesn't need to be stiff as an I beam for draft stability. Now the weight issue IS a big deal in large sizes. If I had to live in a place where I needed a 6M regularly (just shoot me ;) ), I'd certainly buy a 6M Glide.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 08, 2022, 02:27:27 PM

Nonsense ;D, this is also clear in the video, the Strike looks perfectly well locked in.

Strike has horrendous daft stability. Better than last year, but still crap in a harness. Not close to being best in class for draft movement. Even worse with the CWC. I had to place the rear harness line connection in the middle of the rear handle, not at the provided pigtail. Harness lines expose crap stability instantly. The harness doesnít line. Your noodle arms do lie.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on January 08, 2022, 02:42:34 PM
I think the improved draft stability is why the Strike goes upwind better than the swing, but yeah, it moves around a bit and it's a lot more noticeable in a harness. I don't have to do anything in the way of adjustment to my harness lines, I just fiddle to trim a bit more in the larger sizes. I don't sheet to power up, I raise the tail of the wing a tiny bit and the lower wingtip moves inward. I haven't tried the larger CWC sizes enough to say much, but the 6M CWC remains my favorite wing, to the degree that I use it when I shouldn't. I don't see a big difference in draft stability between the 5 and the 6M.

My harness lines are on my fake boom and I have them a bit closer together than the wing attachment doohickeys enable. That should make things worse in the draft department, but if it is I don't notice it. I can lean back and one-hand the wing for as long as I choose to.

I'm looking forward to eventually getting alluula wings, but I'm not going to do it until I feel my strikes need replacement. Even then it will probably only be larger sizes.

PS, my spell checker keeps trying to change alluula to arugula so if you see that in a post you'll know it's the f&**&g spell check.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: wingdingjoe on January 08, 2022, 07:04:44 PM
omg Pono!.. You've hit on the perfect solution.. ARUGULA leading edge for when I get the munchies during the second hour of my sesh... It's brilliant man I luv it
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Thatspec on January 08, 2022, 08:24:21 PM

Nonsense ;D, this is also clear in the video, the Strike looks perfectly well locked in.

Strike has horrendous daft stability. Better than last year, but still crap in a harness. Not close to being best in class for draft movement. Even worse with the CWC. I had to place the rear harness line connection in the middle of the rear handle, not at the provided pigtail. Harness lines expose crap stability instantly. The harness doesnít line. Your noodle arms do lie.


If that's what you need to believe to justify that investment, carry on. The incessant froth over the next new thing deserves a reality check once in a while. Watch the video again...
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on January 08, 2022, 11:16:56 PM
What is Draft Stabilty?
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: headmount on January 09, 2022, 12:01:31 AM
I borrowed a 5M from MR.  Problem was I couldn't pump it up with my Duotone pump.  So I harvested a fitting off a Board Rider (BR) and it worked on the ORodeo.  Here's the two fittings side by side attached to the Duo pump.  In 1st pic the OR is on the right and doesn't insert itself deep enough into the Duo pump interface.  The reason is a fraction sized 'step' on the inside of the pump interface. (2nd pic)  The third pic shows the shaft length on the threads.  Pitch on threads seems the same and it screwed in well but shaft length on OR fitting (on right) is longer than the BR fitting.  The wing inflated with no noticeable leaks (or hisses) but for intense use I wonder if that thread shaft length matters??  I pumped the strut up to about 8 PSI.  It says 12 PSI but I wanted to make sure about the fittings before I did.  The LE I also inflated to about 8 (the duotone pump only has numbers to 7)  Flew it in my yard and light was my first impression.  We're in a light to no wind pattern right now but just trying to get it ready when wind returns.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dontsink on January 09, 2022, 04:04:35 AM

Nonsense ;D, this is also clear in the video, the Strike looks perfectly well locked in.

Strike has horrendous daft stability. Better than last year, but still crap in a harness. Not close to being best in class for draft movement. Even worse with the CWC. I had to place the rear harness line connection in the middle of the rear handle, not at the provided pigtail. Harness lines expose crap stability instantly. The harness doesnít line. Your noodle arms do lie.


If that's what you need to believe to justify that investment, carry on. The incessant froth over the next new thing deserves a reality check once in a while. Watch the video again...

I would not dismiss Aluula because of that vid, it is more of a tactical lesson than speed test.
Even if the Aluula wings were not faster at all  just the weight saving would be a huge plus for me.

And if DWF says it has more draft stability i would believe it,he has tried a ton of gear.

My Takoons show no better upwind angles on GPS than my Starboard/Airush, but i can easily sail them one-handed ,this i find impossible on the Airush because the draft is all over the place.A draft stable wing is less tiring and lets me focus more on finessing the foil.

Wether weight & draft stability are worth the price increase is personal choice, but i believe Aluula will be the standard for top of the line wings in the future.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Thatspec on January 09, 2022, 09:38:05 AM

I would not dismiss Aluula because of that vid, it is more of a tactical lesson than speed test.
Even if the Aluula wings were not faster at all  just the weight saving would be a huge plus for me.
Absolutely agree with this, mainly for a huge wing like a 6M.

And if DWF says it has more draft stability i would believe it,he has tried a ton of gear.
All opinions are biased (including mine). I can't offer an opinion, just video showing that a dacron wing can compete with and even beat the newest technology. The draft stability of these old fashioned wings is not an issue for these guys (or for me).


My Takoons show no better upwind angles on GPS than my Starboard/Airush, but i can easily sail them one-handed ,this i find impossible on the Airush because the draft is all over the place.A draft stable wing is less tiring and lets me focus more on finessing the foil.
Sure, design is at least as important as materials.


Wether weight & draft stability are worth the price increase is personal choice, but i believe Aluula will be the standard for top of the line wings in the future.
It looks like great stuff, I'm not going to be a beta tester though.

Froth on ;D
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 09, 2022, 12:17:46 PM
I actually owned a Strike.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: spindrift on January 09, 2022, 03:10:10 PM
What is the best pump for accurate and higher PSI?
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Fishman on January 09, 2022, 04:18:46 PM
What is the best pump for accurate and higher PSI?
You unscrew most gauges and replace it with a good digital one with a little hardware froms Lows.
0-15 PSI is spot on.
https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Connector-Protector-Uharbour-Resolution/dp/B07CXM3ZGT/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?crid=26QDWU266U3MS&keywords=digital+15+psi+pressure&qid=1641773796&sprefix=digital+15psi+pressure+%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-4
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on January 09, 2022, 04:54:02 PM
I own both the Fone Strike and the OR Glide A. I really love the Strike, such a great design that works everywhere.
I tried a bunch of other leading brands wings and could not find anything that felt nearly as good as the Fone

That said, the Ocean Rodeo is special. Very stable and balanced wing. The material makes a Big difference. It's shocking how light it feels.
The stiffens of the wing opened up a whole new set of conditions I could ride with a 4M.

The Fone though, after 6 months of heavy usage, does not hold form as well as it used to. Even when pumping 2-3 psi over recommended.

If the Ocean Rodeo Allula will hold form twice as much as the Fone it will be well worth the price (especially since I paid 30% off list price).
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: JohnnyTsunami on January 09, 2022, 05:56:40 PM
What is the best pump for accurate and higher PSI?
You unscrew most gauges and replace it with a good digital one with a little hardware froms Lows.
0-15 PSI is spot on.
https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Connector-Protector-Uharbour-Resolution/dp/B07CXM3ZGT/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?crid=26QDWU266U3MS&keywords=digital+15+psi+pressure&qid=1641773796&sprefix=digital+15psi+pressure+%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-4


1/8Ē NPT 1.5Ē face center bottom mount will replace a duotone gauge with no modification. Use a little Teflon tape and keep the rubber gasket. Mcmaster has them certified. Only issue is the you canít cut the plug or it will drop glycerin so you burp it with a screw driver otherwise keep it facing up in storage. Pretty nice knowing your psi witching a couple % . I have one one each pump and a spare in my kit.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Fishman on January 09, 2022, 08:35:25 PM
What is the best pump for accurate and higher PSI?
You unscrew most gauges and replace it with a good digital one with a little hardware froms Lows.
0-15 PSI is spot on.
https://www.amazon.com/Pressure-Connector-Protector-Uharbour-Resolution/dp/B07CXM3ZGT/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?crid=26QDWU266U3MS&keywords=digital+15+psi+pressure&qid=1641773796&sprefix=digital+15psi+pressure+%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-4


1/8Ē NPT 1.5Ē face center bottom mount will replace a duotone gauge with no modification. Use a little Teflon tape and keep the rubber gasket. Mcmaster has them certified. Only issue is the you canít cut the plug or it will drop glycerin so you burp it with a screw driver otherwise keep it facing up in storage. Pretty nice knowing your psi witching a couple % . I have one one each pump and a spare in my kit.
I found the glycerin filled to be very temperature sensitive, off by as much as 30% as the temp dropped. The digital were far more accurate regardless of temperature. I use them both parallel from 40f to 95f.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: juandesooka on January 09, 2022, 09:11:19 PM
I now have a 4/6 a-series, as I decided the low end is where it will have the most impact. I have been really stoked on them so far, no real detriments. I haven't use them too frequently yet, as we're in off season for wind.  A novelty highlight was using the 6m in super light wind with ice skates on a frozen pond. 

Light, powerful wings, nicely balanced. I moved the handles to the tighter position as recommended, I'd say it improved the responsive feel.

Looking for cons for a balanced report: they are powerful wings, so the high end of what would be a normal size range becomes difficult to manage. EG my ozone 4m I could use into the 40s, but in mid 30s I am really struggling to hold the OR down.  Same for 6m into 20s, compared to my ozone.  Which I'd say is a good problem to have.  The mackite review suggested letting a couple psi out if maxed.

i was worried about handles, but i don't find them floppy at all, quite happy with them.  One negative though, in cold weather we have to wear gloves, and I am finding I get hand fatigue quite quickly. Harness is mandatory for me to take the heat off.  I am thinking I may jerry rig a webbing strap like the ozone that hangs below the main handles, use it as a rest for hands when lit. (similar my blown out ozone handles)

Headmount: I had a duotone unit, the OR pump nozzle wouldn't fit, I needed a specific duotone adapter. In reverse, I expect the duotone doesn't fit right on OR, both for diameter and also for depth, because of that internal gizmo to turn the valve inside.  I think the OR pump nozzle is the generic size for pumps, air mattresses, sups, etc, probably easiest to find the standard pump hose.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on January 09, 2022, 09:53:54 PM
We keep just reading amazing reviews on this product...with the only gripes being (by some) the floppy handles and wishing that OR would hurry up wiht the carbon handle upgrades. Anyone have any inside info about when those handles might go into production?

Has ANYONE had any quality control issues yet? unexpected delams or stitching problems or valve problems with the ORs? Im so close to pulling the trigger on a 6meter....but also Morbidly curious as to the release of other brands Alula offerings...anyone have an idea on when hte DLab doutone might be hitting the market? Other brands?

I read with keen interested the posts that DWIGHT has made about the Tip washout geometry of the OR and it will be very interesting to see if the competitors do something similar or just keep their geometry the same but with stiffer material. Im having such a blast rediscovering our entire coastline with WINGING after 20 years of kiting it that i can ALMOST justify just burning through my lifes savings on all the new and great gear...just hard to believe there arent ANY pet peeves or negative comments about the GLIDE wings yet..jeje...

OR has just about the best warantee service around so don't worry about factory delam's or anything like that.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 10, 2022, 04:49:55 AM
What is the best pump for accurate and higher PSI?

WMFG
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 10, 2022, 05:04:58 AM
..with the only gripes being (by some) the floppy handlesÖ..

Has ANYONE had any quality control issues yet?

I think the handles are the best Iíve ever used, so those anti reviews baffled me, but I think I figured out why.

A local guy who owns a 6m A wing just bought a 5m hybrid and the stuffing inside the handles was complete different and he hated the handles on the hybrid. I suggested he check the shop to see if other hybrids had the bad handles.

Iím guessing OR has been doing updates during the current model year. Reason for thinking this, is not just this instance, but seeing a photo of Mark Rappahorstís Aluula wing and noting his had completely different handle mounting locations. His 5m was missing the wide-tight handle setting option.

I had my center strut (internal) bladder pop from not seating at the front completely. This is a typical (random) center strut issue throughout the industry. The OR does have the little string holding the front of the bladder in place. So nothing more OR can do to help there. Iím going to partially inflate, strut and leading edge, before going to high pressure to help ensure all bladders seat properly. With one pump wings, you kind of get this, with both chambers inflating together. The OR has dual inflation points.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on January 10, 2022, 10:08:21 PM
..with the only gripes being (by some) the floppy handlesÖ..

Or has changed the handles. They also have modified some things to prevent the unseating of the bladder.

Talking to Ross Harrington he told me to pump the strut first as well.

Has ANYONE had any quality control issues yet?

I think the handles are the best Iíve ever used, so those anti reviews baffled me, but I think I figured out why.

A local guy who owns a 6m A wing just bought a 5m hybrid and the stuffing inside the handles was complete different and he hated the handles on the hybrid. I suggested he check the shop to see if other hybrids had the bad handles.

Iím guessing OR has been doing updates during the current model year. Reason for thinking this, is not just this instance, but seeing a photo of Mark Rappahorstís Aluula wing and noting his had completely different handle mounting locations. His 5m was missing the wide-tight handle setting option.

I had my center strut (internal) bladder pop from not seating at the front completely. This is a typical (random) center strut issue throughout the industry. The OR does have the little string holding the front of the bladder in place. So nothing more OR can do to help there. Iím going to partially inflate, strut and leading edge, before going to high pressure to help ensure all bladders seat properly. With one pump wings, you kind of get this, with both chambers inflating together. The OR has dual inflation points.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Thatspec on January 11, 2022, 01:26:37 AM
The material makes a Big difference. It's shocking how light it feels.


Interestingly, The 5M strike weighs .17Kg less than the 5M OR glide, at least according to weights I could find around the interwebs :o

And what is actually 'wearing out' on a wing over time? The generally consensus has always been the canopy material, not the dacron. :-\

Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 11, 2022, 03:42:57 AM
Look at the very best one year old Dacron wings.

The canopy is still tight and wrinkle free in the forward 1/3 and a blown out distorted mess in the back 2/3. The reason is the Dacron leading edge bends, allowing rearward portion on the canopy to flap and self destruct when flown in itís upper range.

If the leading edge does not bend, it will keep the entire canopy tight longer. It should not self destruct as quickly.

There is an old saying in kiting. Donít leave your kite on the beach all day flapping it self to death.

Aluula is not for everyone, Haters gonna hate. I see it on the beach. People donít want to try Aluula. Theyíd secretly prefer it to fail.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on January 11, 2022, 04:07:54 AM
The material makes a Big difference. It's shocking how light it feels.


Interestingly, The 5M strike weighs .17Kg less than the 5M OR glide, at least according to weights I could find around the interwebs :o

And what is actually 'wearing out' on a wing over time? The generally consensus has always been the canopy material, not the dacron. :-\

For reference, my 3.5M Swing weigh a cool pound less than my 4M OR (2.5 vs 3.5) but the difference between the 2 wings is night & day.

Pumping with the Swing feels like pulling on rubber band in comparison to the OR. it flaps around so much it feels heavier than the super stable OR.

The 3.5 Swing doesnít see action unless itís 30+ wind. The OR 4M comes out around 15.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Thatspec on January 11, 2022, 07:06:03 AM
People donít want to try Aluula. Theyíd secretly prefer it to fail.

It's already succeeded, just needs to become more mainstream and come in at a less over inflated price point. For the current cost difference it should show an obvious performance advantage and the aforementioned video is not showing that (Fact, not opinion). It should have won all those races, carried itself up to the beach, then go get everyone cappuccinos (with extra froth ;D )

Burchas, how did you get 30% off?
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: VB_Foil on January 11, 2022, 10:07:54 AM
Sorry, but that video is not a good measurement of alluula's/OR performance.  Poor racing and washed out wind by OR Rider for the rest of the race (Fact). He was in the lead until the wide/late turn.  Plus Tito is insanely talented and could take the Slingshot V1 wing and beat almost anyone on the highest dollar wing. 
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on January 11, 2022, 11:24:59 AM
People donít want to try Aluula. Theyíd secretly prefer it to fail.
It should have won all those races, carried itself up to the beach, then go get everyone cappuccinos (with extra froth ;D ) Burchas, how did you get 30% off?

I had to forgo the cappuccino w/ extra froth option ;D
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Wingfoil2001 on January 11, 2022, 11:37:48 AM
A mate has the 5 mtr Glide Hybrid, itís his only wing so about 5 months of fairly hard use. The dacron looks just fine on the canopy and leading edge. But the Aluula, it has bulges in places, white lines appearing, almost as if the gold coating is splitting.
Looks like too much pressure in the strut but his pump wonít do 12 psi.
Heís not happy and will be asking for warranty. Longevity of Aluula may be an issue.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: JohnnyTsunami on January 11, 2022, 01:53:52 PM
This material has been out in kites for a few years. Perhaps anyone knows a kiter who has used an Aluula one for a while?

I used to roll my dingy racing sail on a 4" diameter thin PCV tube which left absolutely zero creases, I wouldn't be opposed to doing this to a wing if it is as good as advertised, since they just live in my pickup shell full time anyway.

Just ordered two Aluula duotone wings so I'm invested.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: juandesooka on January 11, 2022, 04:56:43 PM
This material has been out in kites for a few years. Perhaps anyone knows a kiter who has used an Aluula one for a while?

I used to roll my dingy racing sail on a 4" diameter thin PCV tube which left absolutely zero creases, I wouldn't be opposed to doing this to a wing if it is as good as advertised, since they just live in my pickup shell full time anyway.

Just ordered two Aluula duotone wings so I'm invested.

A lot of the local riders (south Vancouver Island) use the aluula kites, I've never heard any issues, they all seem to love them.
I will be very interested to hear your feedback on the duotones when they arrive.  I am pretty confident aluula will be the future for all wings, lighter and stronger, what's not to like.  Similar to kiting, the new canopy materials were brand specific for a year or two, then industry wide quickly after.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 11, 2022, 05:47:29 PM
Ocean Rodeo ships folded. It took two sessions to figure out rolling it was probably bad. I now fold mine like it came from the factory. Less stress on the stiff material. Donít treat it like crap and just wad it up.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 14, 2022, 05:41:06 AM
Hey Ocean Rodeo, if youíre out there, donít listen to this guy. He doesnít get it. The leash is LIGHT by design. Heavy leashes add to wing weight. Your leash is just like the F-one leash, light, light, light.

Your windows are small and light too. They work. He missed this point about weight. The skinniest center strut in the industry allows the window above the strut to be the most effective window at this location in the industry. Everyone elseís fat center struts block the window view. Bonus points for reinforcing the window with Aluula!

Your handles in the wide setting, are the most comfortable in the industry. The combination of plastic and foam stuffing is awesome on the hands. The handles get super tight and rigid in the harness.

The wing control from the nose handle is better than other wings Iíve owned. The handle is SIZED right, comfortable, WIDE and FLAT and offers better hand control, than the industry typical round handle. Bonus points for using super thin, LIGHT neoprene for scuff protection. Lighter neoprene than Iíve seen used by other brands. You got soooo many little details right.

Lazy review in my opinion.
https://youtu.be/-_fJzYyCrJA
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on January 14, 2022, 01:47:25 PM
Hey Ocean Rodeo, if youíre out there, donít listen to this guy. He doesnít get it. The leash is LIGHT by design. Heavy leashes add to wing weight. Your leash is just like the F-one leash, light, light, light...

I'd agree it's light. Much lighter than my Fone leashes in fact, however, the OR leash does feel cheap and not in the same class as the Fone. I did replace my OR leash with an Fone leash
because of that. I will forward my opinion to my contact at OR and hope they come out with a better leash.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 14, 2022, 03:40:46 PM
1/8Ē amsteel leash has breaking strength of 2400 lbs. So heavier rope might make people feel good, but adds nothing but weight.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: juandesooka on January 14, 2022, 04:35:17 PM
I am not a fan of the leash cuff, as I don't use wrist connection and it makes it harder to tie off to things.  Buddy replaced it with a swivel and locking carabiner...that's what I am going to do too.

I am also struggling with holding the handles when it gets really cold, get grip fatigue due to gloves.  I had no problems with my bagged out ozone handles, pretty much just stretched out nylon webbing. You don't grip, more just hang off them. So I am thinking I'll try installing some nylon webbing below the OR handles, use those as a backup if hands get too tired to hold on.  Or hopefully not any more cold snaps this winter!  :P
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: jondrums on January 14, 2022, 06:43:07 PM
Putting an eye splice into both ends of 1/8" dyneema 12 strand cord is the best option if you use a waist harness.  Not that hard to do and not very expensive.  The sailing world has lots of options for lightweight swivel shackles and if you want one a snap-shackle has a quick release as a bonus.  I personally think this is the way
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: ninja tuna on January 14, 2022, 07:39:09 PM
Hey Ocean Rodeo, if youíre out there, donít listen to this guy. He doesnít get it. The leash is LIGHT by design. Heavy leashes add to wing weight. Your leash is just like the F-one leash, light, light, light.

Your windows are small and light too. They work. He missed this point about weight. The skinniest center strut in the industry allows the window above the strut to be the most effective window at this location in the industry. Everyone elseís fat center struts block the window view. Bonus points for reinforcing the window with Aluula!

Your handles in the wide setting, are the most comfortable in the industry. The combination of plastic and foam stuffing is awesome on the hands. The handles get super tight and rigid in the harness.

The wing control from the nose handle is better than other wings Iíve owned. The handle is SIZED right, comfortable, WIDE and FLAT and offers better hand control, than the industry typical round handle. Bonus points for using super thin, LIGHT neoprene for scuff protection. Lighter neoprene than Iíve seen used by other brands. You got soooo many little details right.

Lazy review in my opinion.


But he did say all of those were small potatoes. Those are accessories which we all have several different opinions on. No biggie there.

The meat and potatoes that I think all of us in general look at, it sounds like he is right in line with everything you have said about these wings. He said it was a solid performer in all aspects with really good construction and great wing and great all around performer.  And loving the super lightness of it.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on January 20, 2022, 09:25:08 PM
Was out w the OR owner today and had a chance to try the carbon handles. Major upgrade. It takes the wing and puts it firmly at the top of the heap. Tried some other stuff too but should prob check what I can share about.
Either way, the future is bright indeed.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: wingdingjoe on January 21, 2022, 10:41:18 AM
Juicy gossip INDEED! Thanx for sharing! Any idea on possible dates for release of those handles to us mortals?
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: deja vu on January 23, 2022, 11:52:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9v4G1Q0TsM
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 24, 2022, 07:25:37 AM
I built a carbon handle for my OR.

It reinforced our (includes wife) opinion the current soft handles are the best handles in the industry. Trying the carbon handle brought back memories of our boomer days. Where it is uncomfortable on the wrist, and awkward, letting your fingers twirl about a handle during transitions. The soft handle wins in this regard. Then as for pumping, these OR soft handles are actually rigid near the ends, where we place our hands for pumping. We like the current handles best, installed wide and tight. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51839368667_e1f1ba0ae5_z.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51840672654_45e2bb84c0_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dontsink on January 24, 2022, 07:57:26 AM
Wrist angle is something to keep an eye on,for comfort and health.
I was used to an up-palm front hand grip from windsurfing ,and i used it for winging until i started getting chronic pain in my wrists after sessions.
The angles are different and it was causing me some sort of tendinitis.Now i grab palms down,as light grip as possible and trying to keep wrists straight all the time.
I had carbon tube all ready to DIY a boom but maybe not a good idea for me.Still getting some trigger finger on long cold days though.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 24, 2022, 08:37:51 AM
Here is a video I did a month ago. I decided not to built the carbon handle at that time. Turns out I was right back then. I should have listened to myself. Oh well, at least the doubt is gone for us.

https://youtu.be/HemokHEPjkw
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: juandesooka on January 24, 2022, 09:27:04 AM
I have mixed feelings, I see both pros/cons.  My wing riding has been 99% soft handles, I tried buddy's duotone once and was pretty impressed how the boom made a positive connection, felt good for micro adjustments, gybes really easy.  It didn't convince me to switch, but I can see the appeal.

I was lucky to get in on the same demo session as Van_foiler. My first impression with the carbon handles was they were harder to hold -- I have been having issues lately with grip fatigue with cold hands, so even the OR soft handles can be a problem (vs the bagged out ozone straps I was used to).  But then in use, the carbon handles gave me the same positive connection feel as I had previously with a boom.  With the super stiff aluula strut, the entire assembly felt very solid.  Honestly, it was kind of WOW, in how tightly it came together.  Most noticeable for me was hand switches and in flying off the front handle where you luff but not quite switch to the front handle for full luffed swell riding.  You can fly the wing quite easily with one hand, 90% depowered.

When they are available, I will likely pursue them.  Though I also still plan on trying out my webbing backup strap idea, to ease hand fatigue on the cold days.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: burchas on January 24, 2022, 11:12:56 AM
I can see an application for the carbon handles in really light days. I've identified two instances in which the responsiveness of the rigid handle have advantage over the original handle.

- Standing on the board while waiting for a gust - Rigid handle was less tiring on shoulders trying to handle the wing
- Pumping - The extra stiffness reduces the number of misfires trying to get up on the foil, again, conserving energy

Once flying, I'll take the softer handles every time, however, in light wind the extra load on the wrist with the stiff handles was not a big concern.

Testing my Fone 6M Strike against a Cabrinha X2 5M with a foil that requires a little more speed to get up (SlingShot PTM 926) on really light wind day, the Cabrinha won every time.
Doing the same with a foil that pumps up really well (Axis 1010) meant less wing pumps.

If I am to project it to my Ocean Rodeo with carbon handles it means best of both worlds. The OR as is already about the same as the Cabrinha in that regard but being much lighter
and flying so much better means many more successful light wing session and I could probably get away with a 5M OR instead of my 6M Strike. The difference in weight alone will make
Light wind session much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: PonoBill on January 25, 2022, 11:32:46 AM
I have never seen the advantage of handles--soft or hard--other than packing the wing. Booms are a pain in the ass for the tiny fraction of wingers that are transporting on a bicycle or some other limited means of transport, but most folks carry their stuff in a vehicle--so what does a handle solve?

DW, if you made a boom rather than a handle, especially one that made the connection between the boom and the strut rigid, you'd probably find a lot more comfort and utility. Your design doesn't make sense to me, you duplicated the limitations of soft handles in a hard handle, and the connection via a short flip that does little to brace the handle is a beautiful fabrication, but poor utility. If the handle was boom length, reaching from the first connector to the last, and the connections reversed back towards the center they would be held in place axially by the tensioned straps. Put the handle on while the wing is deflated and when it's inflated the connection is axially tight. If the connectors carried parallel to the strut for some distance, especially if they were long enough to reach past the inboard handle connector loops both front and back, you could make them fit the curve of the strut and offer radial rigidity. This part could be made substantially less than a pound--Mark's design is similar though it doesn't quite reach the inboard loops, which is a flaw I'm my opinion, but it's nearly as light as the original handles. I weighed the original handles from Mark Raaphorst's wing and they are about ten ounces. Adding perhaps six ounces for the ability to grab the boom anywhere along its length and one hand it would be worthwhile for me, never mind added control and ergonomic benefits

My drawing looks more like a towel rack than a boom, but you probably get the idea anyway.
Title: Re: Ocean Rodeo Glide-Allula
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 25, 2022, 01:57:59 PM
I made the handles in the style of ORs carbon handle. With the Aluula strut inflated to 12 psi the handle is rigid like itís bolted in place.
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