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Title: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 17, 2021, 05:28:53 PM
Disclaimer- I am a total newbie to wing foiling. Can now get up strong and weak side and do strong side turns to twisted stance every now and then. I am 6í1Ē 185 and am on a 6 m ozone and 9 m aging with a a 5í3Ē HIPE. I have ZERO wind experience. In fact, I used to despise it.

My experience in winging has been awesome and I have had several shoulder and hip surgeries from my previous life sit down hydrofoilling. I went to look for a relief for my shoulders and ran across a great company out of Bend, Oregon called North Shore Inc. called and placed an order for a wing harness and hook. I also ordered a harness strap.

Hooked it up to the ozone 6 m and used it on my first flight today both strong and weak side. Even used it in the twisted stance. Went for almost 2 hours and could still drive home. This IS the answer for people with bad shoulders. If I can do it then about anyone could. NSI FTW!!
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 17, 2021, 05:29:49 PM
Hit a submerged island or reef. Lots of falls. So fun!
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Seattle-Wind on May 18, 2021, 10:37:25 AM
I have a few sessions with my new NSI minimal waste harness - love it. I can ride for some much longer and don't get nearly as tired. It's a cool sensation hooking-in and just leaning back and flying the wing with a few fingers on one hand. Reminds me a bit of kiteboarding. I'm riding F-One Swings.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: deja vu on May 18, 2021, 01:41:45 PM
I just received mine but haven't had a chance to try it out yet.  I'm hoping that it'll work for both wind foiling and winging (I also just received an impact vest -- I always wear a helmet after a major scare 25 years ago).
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: JonathanC on May 18, 2021, 03:19:16 PM
I use a super minimal harness using a modified kite harness hook over heavy webbing belt, would be great to ditch the stainless steel hook. My only concern with the NSI is the plastic buckle fastening the belt - if that lets go with a big pull from wing or board in the surf you lose the lot. Iíve sewn in a metal loop and pass through the fold back with a long section of Velcro, the final tail then tucking into the loop on the kite hook. Am I being overly cautious? Had a few big swims from leashes on downwind sups letting over the years, never a good feeling!
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on May 18, 2021, 06:27:44 PM
That's my objection as well. I don't trust plastic buckles. On the other hand, today I hooked in during a very gusty session in Kahalui harbor and got blown off the board at high speed--catapulted into the wing. I tried to unhook, but my modified (unbent a bit) kite hook didn't release and I wound up being dragged, upside down, by my hook with the wing drawing very nicely for quite a distance with the board following along like a happy puppy. I finally got a little slack in the wind--enough to get the wing unhooked.

It wasn't anything dangerous, in fact, it was kind of fun, but I'm going to get an NSI hook.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: liv2surf on May 18, 2021, 06:44:00 PM
I am going to replace my metal hook with an NSI-style Delrin hook (buy from NSI or fabricate my own if theirs wont fit my 2", I think, seat belt webbing belt). I like that the single point of attachment folds over when climbing onto board (per a friend's experience) unlike my hook whose 2 attachment points make it stick straight and firmly out (which is what a self respecting kite or windsurf hook should generally do). Also, Robert from Blue Planet said better to have the retractable leash mounted directly to webbing). Notice my safety line on plastic buckle because I lost a hook and belt when the buckle opened (I don't tie wing to this belt so it wasn't a huge loss).
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: surfcowboy on May 18, 2021, 06:52:42 PM
Sam I too hated the wind. Hdip and I joke about it all the time. Now I understand why kite and windsurf guys all have vans. You sort of have to get a van to get out of the damn wind before and after. lol

Love hearing that you could manage it as a beginner too.

For those who have belts and such thereís also a 3D print file floating around the net. Iíll see if I can find it but supporting NSI is a good thing to do too.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 18, 2021, 07:22:53 PM
Excellent points on the plastic buckles. I think it is a good reminder regarding wear and tear than breaking. That said, zero experience with this stuff. Super impressed with NSI. Also bought their sticky strap attachments.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on May 18, 2021, 09:08:19 PM
ran across a great company out of Bend, Oregon called North Shore Inc. called and placed an order for a wing harness and hook. I also ordered a harness strap.

Yes it's a great company, no it's not in Bend, it's in Hood River. Walking distance from my house.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Pasquales on May 19, 2021, 10:31:04 AM
I'm thinking of buying a harness for going upwind.  Sometimes my elbows get a little sore when the winds aren't steady, from having to slog while waiting for a gust.  I was a little concerned about a plastic hook, but appears well built.  Looks like it can easily unhook quickly.   
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: juandesooka on May 19, 2021, 05:06:06 PM
Liv2surf: good idea on the safety line.  I was using a cheap luggage strap to hold my reel leash and also attached my kite leash to it too.  Had one of those hmm moments looking down and realizing how flimsy that plastic is, given how much is riding on it with both my board and wing safeties. Strongly encourage a separate mounting mount.  I am fully nerding out by wearing an old liquid force shorts harness over my wetsuit....reel leash on back, wing attached to the kite leash holder, hook ready to go.  Even has a pocket for snacks.  ;D

Pasquales: big fan of the harness option. I have bad elbows from kiting and sup'ing....the harness takes the heat off, especially for big wings.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 19, 2021, 08:59:10 PM
This was incredible for going upwind!! Both strong and weak side!! Even toeside once. Total game changer for me and my bad surgically repaired shoulders. Serious. I could drive home and sleep with no pain!

I didnít unhook a few times and was launched while still attached. I didnít pull a Pono (still chuckling picturing that fall lol) and still got it to release fairly easy.

Again, I have zero wind experience and this was my first ever harness and could attach on the first attempts. Iím on a Gong inflatable so donít need to worry about beating up my gear... that said, the plastic buckle will not do major damage. 10/10 for my rating. It worked so well that I even went back to the NSI (Hood River) site and left a review. For real. 😁
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Solent Foiler on May 20, 2021, 02:58:43 AM
This was incredible for going upwind!!
Yes... it is, isn't it! 👍
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: FedorBOS on May 20, 2021, 08:14:48 AM
This looks like an interesting option that might serve for both kiting and winging without the bulk of a standard harness:

https://www.akdurablesupplyco.com/product/kite/ether-harness/

iKitesurfmag did a write up:

https://www.iksurfmag.com/issue86/?page=237
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: jondrums on May 20, 2021, 01:22:26 PM
too bad no loops for a board leash and wing leash.  I think the NSI system still seems like the winner because of that (I don't have one, just by looking that is)
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on May 20, 2021, 01:41:29 PM
Comments about harnesses for wings on facebook range from derision that anyone would be such a weak suck that they would need one to folks who seem to think they need substantial back support and a spreader bar to keep from getting their kidneys squashed. What you choose to do is up to you. I AM a weak suck at 74 with numerous shoulder operations, at least I am compared to me at 40 prior to my rollerblade hockey misadventures. I've been using a harness with a wing for about a year and a half. I'm still fiddling with mine since I don't have exactly what I want yet, but I've determined that in the strongest winds the Gorge and Maui can provide, all I need is a belt. No spreader, no big cushion, just a belt and a hook.

If all you are going to use the belt for is holding the hook, then any kind of closure is fine. I only use plastic buckles for non-vital uses. I've nearly been killed or crippled by one, so I don't trust them--at all. If you're going to attach a leash, or maybe both leashes to it, then I would never use a plastic buckle.

This morning I sewed belt loops to my impact vest so my belt can hook to it and keep the vest down and the belt up when I'm doing my usual face plants. I'll be adding a plastic NSI hook in the near future, and when I get back to Hood River and my Tuff-Sew machine that will happily sew a thick leather belt to my finger (no I haven't tried this, but it would) I plan to sew through the back loop and the vest to the belt with some ridiculously strong kevlar thread I happen to have a spool of, after which I will attach the leashes to it. I plan to get one of the retractor leashes from Blue Planet and also provide a loop for my wing leash. Given that I'd have to lose both the belt with its stainless steel reversing loop and velcro closure AND my impact vest in order to become disconnected from vital stuff, I think I'll be in good shape.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: WingSurfPeterT on May 21, 2021, 05:04:54 AM
I put one of the NSI plastic hooks on a mystic stealth slider rope spreader by running some thin spectra loops through the rope slider holes and then  attaching a piece of webbing between the loops. I added a bit of bungy on one side to keep it tight.  Works great and twists sideways when climbing on to the board and stays straight while riding.  If I over stitch my sewing on the webbing a  bit more  I could probably use the same harness for kiting if needed as a regular slider, without using the nsi hook.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: deja vu on May 22, 2021, 06:42:17 AM
This harness worked fine for me for wind foiling.  I'm going to try it next for winging.  Nice and light and no problem for climbing on the board without damaging it.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 23, 2021, 07:43:44 AM
Used this again yesterday in lighter wind. Iíll double down on how great it is!! Stayed hooked and ran out of water and survived the drop down!!

Now that it is more dialed I will cut and burn the extra belt length. So awesome!!

Pono- since you have committed to one wing set up, are you interested in selling the 1300? I love the 1150/460 set up I have.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: paddlur on May 23, 2021, 09:46:56 AM
After logging many hours on on the NSI minimalist have to say it works very weíll especially with duotone harness lines easy in and out hooking,for a V1 winging harness they hit the mark light and simple very functional.The stitching on the ďplant onĒwebbing for leash attachments need to be reinforced as Iíve blown 2 of them right off with wing attachment leash they were no match for the pull of the wing in waves perhaps in flatter water conditions they would be fine.lost my wing the other day and luckily it stayed put on shore after a 200 yd paddle! The one good leash attachment is the one that is incorporated in belt webbing NSI should add another one of these for sure.So what I do now is add a loop of 3/16 spectra around belt on the other side for wing attachment with small carabiner,Also the plastic belt buckle highly recommend a backup of Velcro that threads thru buckle in case it comes undone highly recommended itís a secondary security measure for buckle.All in all great winging harness but NSI has some easy improvements to be made for a V2 version then it would be even better
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on May 23, 2021, 11:18:02 AM
I'm going to go talk to NSI when I get back to Hood river about version 2. I think the fixes I'd propose would not increase the cost to manufacture at all. A more trustworthy closure, a better way to attach the wing leash. That's about it. I've ordered the Blue Planet retracting leash and I'll integrate it into my impact vest/Wing Harness with an NSI hook and a non-tangling wing leash. I doubt that all my ideas have merit, but I've been playing with this stuff for a long time.

After a lot of experimenting, I've determined that the best place to attach the wing leash is right above the harness hook--the middle front. This enables the leash to be as short as possible, doesn't favor either side, falls easily to hand for pulling the wing to you after a fall, and doesn't want to wrap around your neck as a back-mounted leash does. It's not the obvious place to mount the leash, but it works amazingly well.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: paddlur on May 23, 2021, 12:47:14 PM
Here you can see my velcro safety backup on buckle and rear board leash 2 point velcro back up in case one breaks a secondary saves it, both these rear plant on attachment points and all for that matter need reinforcement for sure! If they address these on V2 would be great,the buckle absolutely needs a back of some sorts like I have because itís not if,itís when plastic buckle releases by itself!
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 23, 2021, 02:41:00 PM
Great day and love the harness. I do like the ideas to modify it. Connected 4 jibes today!!

Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on May 23, 2021, 03:29:38 PM
Here you can see my velcro safety backup on buckle and rear board leash 2 point velcro back up in case one breaks a secondary saves it, both these rear plant on attachment points and all for that matter need reinforcement for sure! If they address these on V2 would be great,the buckle absolutely needs a back of some sorts like I have because itís not if,itís when plastic buckle releases by itself!

Yes, they simply can't be trusted. I lost my weight belt in the middle of a deep dive. I was lucky to not get the bends too badly or an embolism. If I wasn't used to "blow and go" ascents it could have killed me. Never again.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: paddlur on May 23, 2021, 05:13:13 PM
Here you can see my velcro safety backup on buckle and rear board leash 2 point velcro back up in case one breaks a secondary saves it, both these rear plant on attachment points and all for that matter need reinforcement for sure! If they address these on V2 would be great,the buckle absolutely needs a back of some sorts like I have because itís not if,itís when plastic buckle releases by itself!

Yes, they simply can't be trusted. I lost my weight belt in the middle of a deep dive. I was lucky to not get the bends too badly or an embolism. If I wasn't used to "blow and go" ascents it could have killed me. Never again.
Amen Bill agree 100% especially that plastic buckle say it again absolutely needs a secondary safety mechanism integrated in buckle no doubt,hopefully you can give the guys at NSI some good advice as they are real close to a really good winging harness,bottom line they need to be beefed up for wave ocean use hands down
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on May 26, 2021, 06:25:12 PM
I bought this 1.5Ē webbing metal buckle for $12. More challenging to find than I thought. Should eliminate the plastic buckle issue?
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Beasho on May 27, 2021, 04:51:57 AM
I bought this 1.5Ē webbing metal buckle for $12. More challenging to find than I thought. Should eliminate the plastic buckle issue?

Be careful with this buckle. I bought that exact model from Amazon.  I rigged it up and sailed 50 feet before it popped open.  Good thing I hadn't gone far from the launch.  I use it as a solid belt now.  Looks hard core and relatively water resistant.

I am not sure if I twisted it, or if something hit the little brass clips but either way it released quickly.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Beasho on May 27, 2021, 05:07:53 AM
I am sure I would like the NSI harness.  As an alternate here is my 30 year old Sherbert DaKine windsurfing harness.

Light, comfortable and modular. 

I added a DaKine Maniac Hook.  I wasn't sure what to do with the super thick webbing that the rig comes with BUT then realized it prevents the hook from rolling over on the thinner webbing on the harness.  I threaded the original webbing through the DaKine metal hoop and sent it around the back of the harness.  Added 2 orange lines for 1) Board and 2) Wing leashes.  Then I use the reversible Velcro to attach to the metal DaKine clip on the front.  Voila!  If you hunt you can find the Maniac hook with webbing for $20.

NOTE: When climbing on the board always shift the hook toward the tail of the board.  DW originally recommended a harness when LEARNING to wing because "You can focus on the foil rather than the wing."  100% true if you have a windsurf or kite background the wing takes care of itself.  And I am able to ride a 5.0 (my smallest wing) in gusts up to 38 or 40 mph.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: SUPladomi on May 31, 2021, 08:40:06 AM
Has anyone had a safety issue with having both leashes attached to a waist belt?

I believe Gunnar Biniasch posted that he did on kiteforum but was unable to find the post.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: NSIteam on June 03, 2021, 10:30:37 AM
This was incredible for going upwind!! Both strong and weak side!! Even toeside once. Total game changer for me and my bad surgically repaired shoulders. Serious. I could drive home and sleep with no pain!

I didnít unhook a few times and was launched while still attached. I didnít pull a Pono (still chuckling picturing that fall lol) and still got it to release fairly easy.

Again, I have zero wind experience and this was my first ever harness and could attach on the first attempts. Iím on a Gong inflatable so donít need to worry about beating up my gear... that said, the plastic buckle will not do major damage. 10/10 for my rating. It worked so well that I even went back to the NSI (Hood River) site and left a review. For real. 😁

Glad it worked out well for you! We might be offering a deeper hook sometime in the Summer. Thanks all for the feedback on the reinforcement, all harnesses being made now have much better reinforcement at the attachment points - a bonus to being made in the USA is that we can make these changes quickly! Got a new hook setup coming out soon btw...
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on June 03, 2021, 09:24:24 PM
If you upgrade the buckles please let me know!! Other than the buckle, I love this set up. 😁
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: NSIteam on June 04, 2021, 10:32:40 AM
Got a fix for the buckle setup actually! Free to anyone who has purchased a harness from us. We've seen 1 failure at this point and it was in very cold water.

No sewing and retains the adjustability of left or right hip with the excess strap going out to the side. PM me your name/address and I will get those out  :D

The best we can do for any attachment point failures at the moment is to include additional webbing slide loops, very sorry for that oversight. If anyone is in need please let me know through PM.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on June 04, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
That's pretty cool. The most common failure is from age and UV, one side of the buckle snaps off and then it won't stay closed, or worse, suddenly opens. I'm using a stainless steel reversing loop and a double-sided velcro connection.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Dontsink on June 04, 2021, 02:19:06 PM
That's pretty cool. The most common failure is from age and UV, one side of the buckle snaps off and then it won't stay closed, or worse, suddenly opens. I'm using a stainless steel reversing loop and a double-sided velcro connection.

Same here,metal loop and Velcro.
I was using a diver belt buckle but on falls with some speed the wŠter can get under the buckle lever and excess strap and force It open.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: deja vu on June 04, 2021, 02:50:16 PM
Here's a waist harness with an assortment of add on goodies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soIxBI3xVSY
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on June 04, 2021, 08:44:39 PM
Here's a waist harness with an assortment of add on goodies:

Yeah, I bought the belt from Blue Planet with a reel leash. It looks good though the belt is flimsy single-layer webbing and it has a plastic loop. Certainly strong enough but thin web belts are floppy and stretch more. I'm going to double up the webbing and replace the loop with stainless before I use it, and I'll add some loops for placing the wing leash above the hook, and probably add the new NSI spreader or just their 2" hook.

I incorporate the entire assembly into my impact vest (I did a really shitty job of sewing on belt loops) which gives a lot of benefits--holds everything just where I want it, keeps the vest from riding up when I hit the water at high speed. Keeps my boardshorts up (everyone appreciates this), and the central wing leash allows me to use a short leash. I don't think I'm going to be doing behind-the-back tacks with that setup, but I can't do them anyway, so it's a bit moot.

Attaching the wing leash to the belt is a bit pointless in the Gorge, but In Maui, or anywhere with serious surf, having two leashes attached to different body parts can put you in a situation not unlike a roman slave executed by being tied to two chariots.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: paddlur on June 06, 2021, 06:39:06 AM
If you upgrade the buckles please let me know!! Other than the buckle, I love this set up. 😁
NSI team this great news as the attachment points hands down needed reinforcement bigtime,exception being the 1 integrated in belt!unfortunately I missed the new revised model as I am in NE Brasil now with my jury rigged minimalist harness currently have back up velcro strap threaded on plastic buckle and use 3/16 spectra loops on belt for added attachment points the V1 hook gotta say works very well with duotone harness lines thoroughly tested many hours.This good news canít wait to get a revised V2 if you will version when back in the states,until then keep in winging with my modified V1 which seems after these improvements will be pretty close to a good as it gets for a winging harness right on NSI
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: NSIteam on June 11, 2021, 02:42:11 PM
Here's a waist harness with an assortment of add on goodies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soIxBI3xVSY

That is a bit more of a waist leash than a harness. The feedback we are seeing is hooking in is ok on lighter days but quickly gets uncomfortable in anything beyond light and for more than 30 mins or so. We have a similar setup that we only recommend hooking with on lighter/shorter sessions which has a neoprene cover with doubled up webbing for a little additional padding and anti-twist. https://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=533&idcategory=375 (https://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=533&idcategory=375)

After being asked for the spreader bar as a hook only option for 2" webbing we are offering it now in case anyone was wondering.

Hey PonoBill, we do get some decent surf here, 40+mph winds over water cook up some swell. Adding to the sketchyness is the addition of debris floating in the churny water. One of our guys went out in 40-50mph winds last week. Not double overhead or anything but intense nonetheless!
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on June 11, 2021, 08:33:19 PM
Here's a waist harness with an assortment of add on goodies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soIxBI3xVSY

That is a bit more of a waist leash than a harness. The feedback we are seeing is hooking in is ok on lighter days but quickly gets uncomfortable in anything beyond light and for more than 30 mins or so. We have a similar setup that we only recommend hooking with on lighter/shorter sessions which has a neoprene cover with doubled up webbing for a little additional padding and anti-twist. https://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=533&idcategory=375 (https://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=533&idcategory=375)

After being asked for the spreader bar as a hook only option for 2" webbing we are offering it now in case anyone was wondering.

Hey PonoBill, we do get some decent surf here, 40+mph winds over water cook up some swell. Adding to the sketchyness is the addition of debris floating in the churny water. One of our guys went out in 40-50mph winds last week. Not double overhead or anything but intense nonetheless!

Umm, I probably should have mentioned I live on State St. The house on the right side if you're headed downtown that has the outrageously great looking garden--and no, that doesn't have anything to do with me, I just live there.  I can walk to your shop. I almost came by today to pick up a hook, but I was busy working on my race car trailer. My shop is the old Gino's marble cutting place on Guignard--the one with the GMC motor home with all the PV panels on the roof.

I live in Hood River half the year, and Maui the other half. I've been haunting the Gorge since the 80's, so yeah, I know.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: liv2surf on June 27, 2021, 11:09:26 AM
I am going to replace my metal hook with an NSI-style Delrin hook (buy from NSI or fabricate my own if theirs wont fit my 2", I think, seat belt webbing belt). I like that the single point of attachment folds over when climbing onto board (per a friend's experience) unlike my hook whose 2 attachment points make it stick straight and firmly out (which is what a self respecting kite or windsurf hook should generally do). Also, Robert from Blue Planet said better to have the retractable leash mounted directly to webbing). Notice my safety line on plastic buckle because I lost a hook and belt when the buckle opened (I don't tie wing to this belt so it wasn't a huge loss).

I replaced my metal hook (shown) with a NSI-style hook which I routed out of 1/2" acetal plastic (Delrin ģ), not shown. I believe NSI has the hook with 2" slot now (their original hook did not accommodate 2"). I love my new hook. So much better than the metal hook, primarily because it folds over when climbing on board and sticks out when riding (both of these are perfect attributes fit for purpose).
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: radair on August 05, 2021, 09:31:35 AM
I recently picked up the NSI Minimalist harness. It is really nice except for the plastic buckle mentioned above. I had our local Gear Doc stitch on an aluminum climbing harness buckle and am very pleased with it. The NSI hook easily slides to the side for paddling or toe-side riding. Works great.

I'd like to figure out a better harness line. I'm using an Ozone Wasp https://ozonekites.net/proddetail.asp?prod=ozone_wasp_v2_harness_line (https://ozonekites.net/proddetail.asp?prod=ozone_wasp_v2_harness_line) line which is elastic, so it's a little short when not hooked in and a bit long when I am in. It also does not release that easily due to the stretch. I know some folks DIY lines with paracord and plastic tubing. Have any good recommendations?
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Dontsink on August 05, 2021, 11:55:50 AM
I recently picked up the NSI Minimalist harness. It is really nice except for the plastic buckle mentioned above. I had our local Gear Doc stitch on an aluminum climbing harness buckle and am very pleased with it. The NSI hook easily slides to the side for paddling or toe-side riding. Works great.

I'd like to figure out a better harness line. I'm using an Ozone Wasp https://ozonekites.net/proddetail.asp?prod=ozone_wasp_v2_harness_line (https://ozonekites.net/proddetail.asp?prod=ozone_wasp_v2_harness_line) line which is elastic, so it's a little short when not hooked in and a bit long when I am in. It also does not release that easily due to the stretch. I know some folks DIY lines with paracord and plastic tubing. Have any good recommendations?

I use paracord and plastic tubing.
It works but:
-If i dont use the tubing the paracord blows away an it is really hard to swing it into the hook in strong winds.
-With plastic tubing it swings into the hook.Also into my face when pumping hard ,it hurts :(
I swing it into my back hand thumb and hold it there when pumping.

I think it is 3mm or 4mm paracord.
I had tied it wide at first but now i have set it really close toghether so i dont get my hand trapped in tacks.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: VB_Foil on August 05, 2021, 06:55:43 PM
Random note about harness line and digit safety:  I had my f-one harnessís rear attachment looped around the rear handle on my BRM.  As I went for a tack and completed the hand swap and reached for the rear handle, I slid my middle digit right into the small loop created by the spectra harness line. I lost my balance backwards for a second as I frantically shook my hand to free my finger and thankfully regained balance as I freed my finger and road away clean.  It wouldnít have ended well going over the wing with my finger stuck!
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on August 06, 2021, 07:13:58 AM
Yikes, I've had similar situations in surf or high wind. Always scary. I have enough stuff wrong with me without losing digits. I use the Duotone double adjustable harness line attached to my fake boom. It doesn't flop in my face, it's easy to hook in and release, and it won't rip off a finger. Here's a little video on my harness attached to an impact vest. The retractor is both attached to the Blue Planet belt and is riveted to my impact vest to keep it from flopping when the belt is loose. The Blue Planet belt is not as high-quality as the NSI one but I wanted a retractor, and neither had metal buckles, so I had to do modifications anyway. I swiped a stainless steel loop from a Da Kine Maniac hook, and used the Blue Planet velcro set up. It works flawlessly, though I'd warn that the extension line Blue Planet sells has end loops that are just paracord dipped in some plastic goop. Like all paracord, the loops fray internally so you can't see that they are weak. After two weeks of use I tested mine and they broke easily. I replaced the end loops with spectra. The shock-corded extension I show in the video turned out to be the perfect width to catch between the toes on my back foot--super irritating. The modified Blue Planet version is thick enough to avoid that irritating issue.

 https://youtu.be/WEI9H4ivZy4
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Surfside on August 06, 2021, 09:16:32 AM
PB, those Duotone double adjustable harness lines are hard to find so, I opened my box of old  stuff and have been using these 25 year old Windsurf Hawaii harness line attachments. They wrap the handles nicely.

It would be nice if they were available.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Dontsink on August 06, 2021, 02:16:43 PM
I have ordered some quick fix windsurf harness lines.
Quick fix means they can attach to a windsurf  boom without having to remove the boom end,which is a must if you want to use them on a wing with handles.

Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: Sam the Surfer on August 06, 2021, 02:42:45 PM
Used the harness with the modified metal buckles with a Gong 9 m wing today and it worked great!! Was able to shed wind when I needed to which is key for inland winging. The Axis 1150/460 works incredibly well for winging!! Iíve been wake foiling and dock starting with it and forgot how awesome this is to wing!!
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: ninja tuna on August 06, 2021, 04:08:08 PM
I have a question about using the reel leash for the board leash.  Are any of you afraid of the board being farther away and getting tangled in the extra length?  I understand it can happen with any leash.  But there is less chance with a shorter leash.  I just ordered my NSI setup so thinking about how I will set it up and there are some good options in this thread.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on August 06, 2021, 05:26:18 PM
I have a question about using the reel leash for the board leash.  Are any of you afraid of the board being farther away and getting tangled in the extra length?  I understand it can happen with any leash.  But there is less chance with a shorter leash.  I just ordered my NSI setup so thinking about how I will set it up and there are some good options in this thread.

I've only used mine in the Columbia, not the ocean, but the gorge is fairly dynamic. I think these things were designed for much lighter kite boards, so I wouldn't be surprised to have a problem, but so far, it's been great. I'm working hard at not using the wing to help balance, which means controlling the foil as if I were foil surfing and flagging or luffing the wing as much as possible. Basically downwinding using the swells for power with the wing available when needed. That means I'm having some very unusual falls with lots of drama. I think I'd be much worse off with a standard straight leash doing this. The retractor and short extension has worked extremely well.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: VB_Foil on August 06, 2021, 05:34:53 PM
I have a question about using the reel leash for the board leash.  Are any of you afraid of the board being farther away and getting tangled in the extra length?  I understand it can happen with any leash.  But there is less chance with a shorter leash.  I just ordered my NSI setup so thinking about how I will set it up and there are some good options in this thread.

Iíve used my reel leash in the waves a few times. The added length isnít an issue as it is always taught. You wipe out and it will begin reeling in as soon as possible. No tangles yet. It doesnít feel great to get a tug in the gut in surf over shoulder high!
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: ninja tuna on August 06, 2021, 07:04:10 PM

Thanks Bill and VB



 It doesnít feel great to get a tug in the gut in surf over shoulder high!


Never had that happen.  Been using the waist leash for sup surfing in waves up to double overhead with no issues ever since Beasho mentioned it.  ezpz.
Title: Re: Wing Harness (NSI)
Post by: PonoBill on August 07, 2021, 09:33:30 AM

Thanks Bill and VB



 It doesnít feel great to get a tug in the gut in surf over shoulder high!


Never had that happen.  Been using the waist leash for sup surfing in waves up to double overhead with no issues ever since Beasho mentioned it.  ezpz.

Wow, I sure have. I thought I was going to have bail either the wing or board when I was caught in the Portagee Triangle at Kanaha in shoulder-high surf. That was wrist and ankle leashes, so I switched to a waist leash for both. Then got dragged around semi-helplessly at Upper Kanaha for ten minutes in some shoulder-high short-period stuff. No fun at all. I think long-period stuff probably gives you a chance to get your shit together. The super-short period stuff in the Columbia is less of a bitch with the reel. The reel brings the board close and then a big swell hits it and pulls it away. The time delay of the soft extension and retrieval is enough to get tangles and other problems sorted. I've found that super helpful.
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