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Title: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: bluemarlin04 on May 10, 2021, 07:17:05 PM
Just learning to Wing Foil. 

I have researched and researched and am still trying to learn but cannot seem to figure out this part.

If I am using a larger foil wing does that mean I can use a smaller wing?

Example- I have a naish 2450 Foil.  Can I use a 4 Meter Wing instead of a 5?

What wing size should I be using? I am 6'3 and around 250 pounds. 

I tried out a Naish 7m once but the thing was so big and huge it was kind of difficult to hold.

Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: gone_foiling on May 10, 2021, 07:35:35 PM
Depends on the wind. But you are a big guy so for you is 6 or 5. If your wind is closer to 20 mph then 5 is ok. Forget about naish wings they have no low end. Get f-one or duotone.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: surfcowboy on May 10, 2021, 08:04:16 PM
This is a tough one.

Im 140lbs and learned on a 2100cm foil and a 5m wing. I couldnt get up in under 15 mph for a few months. Now I can get up in 10-12 on the same rig.

But I dont think I could have learned to do that on any smaller sized gear. This is an issue with the sport. You sort of have to go through the gear and process. We have a local shop thats opening that is trying to work out some sort of buy back program to get you through the first year til you settle into your gear. (Shorter if you can get in the water more often.)

In good news, you can always use your larger hand wing as you get better in light conditions.  Just be careful about buying a giant hand wing (7-9m) thinking youll use it all the time.

Id like to hear other peoples ideas on this but Id think youd need a ton of wind (20mph+) to learn at your size with a 4m wing. Id make it easy on yourself.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: bluemarlin04 on May 10, 2021, 08:21:27 PM
Thanks for the tips surfcowboy and gone_foiling.

I think I will try to use a 6. 

I live on Eastern Oahu so no shortage of wind.

Just want to make sure I can learn it.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: PonoBill on May 10, 2021, 10:21:26 PM
I don't know about wind on Oahu, but on Maui lately, my 3.5 has been getting lots of use. I was about 250 when I started and there simply weren't any big wing available. My first wing was a 3M duotone and I needed something like 30mph to get going. And I needed a huge foil wing--a GoFoil 280. I finally got a 4M wing and was able to frequently use an M200 foil wing.

There is a dividing point with wing foiling when you can get up and foil fairly easily, and now you want to learn to jibe and tack. Somewhere in there, you start going faster. At that point literally, all the gear you have will suddenly become a hindrance and you'll have to ditch it all and upgrade everything.

My point is simply this. Get the gear that will get you going. Don't worry at all about it being the right stuff for the long run--it won't be. Big floaty board, big slow foil, big wing. Like 7' X 32" board (or bigger), Gofoil M280 or M200, and a 5 or 6 M wing. You should be able to find most of that used. Or go talk to Robert Stehlick at Blue Planet and ask for help getting you going. He'll steer you right. Maybe talk to Sam Pae--super good guy and he's great at showing people the basics. Robert can put you in touch with him.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: Dontsink on May 10, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
I think most beginners face this Catch 22.

Board & Wing & Foil size that get you up on foil without pumping abilities will be a bit too much power & lift once you are flying.

But everything starts with getting up on foil so unless you can rent big gear at a reasonable price you have to go through the buy and sell circus.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: WingNut Ohana on May 11, 2021, 12:32:56 AM
5m for bigger guys. The light bulb went on for me when I switched from a 4m to a 5m. Being over-winged in the beginning is a good thing. Foil time is what is important. You wont learn much if you cant get on foil.

When you get better you can always buy a smaller wing. You just have to accept that this is a fast evolving sport and moving on from gear is part of the experience. In the 9 months of doing this, between the wife and I, Weve bought and sold around 7 wings, 2 foils and 2 boards.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: DavidJohn on May 11, 2021, 05:33:03 AM
The big Naish 2450 is the perfect foil for a big guy like you to learn with and wing size will depend on wind strength.. Id say a 5-6m wing should work well in light winds and once the wind hits 20 knots a 4-4.5m will work for you..
btw the new Naish S26 wings have plenty of low end grunt..

Im 63 and about 220 lbs and Ive been using the new Naish S26 6.8m wing on light days.. This vid was from a few days ago.

https://vimeo.com/544444990
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: bluemarlin04 on May 11, 2021, 02:57:13 PM
Thanks Ponobill and everyone else for the replies.

Sorry I should mention.  I am a very proficient foiler. 

I can surf it.  Link turns.  Pump. Etc.

I actually learned on the back of the boat and then moved up and progressed.

Now I just want to learn how to put the wing into the equation...

Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: bstein on May 11, 2021, 04:11:29 PM
The big Naish 2450 is the perfect foil for a big guy like you to learn with and wing size will depend on wind strength.. Id say a 5-6m wing should work well in light winds and once the wind hits 20 knots a 4-4.5m will work for you..
btw the new Naish S26 wings have plenty of low end grunt..

Im 63 and about 220 lbs and Ive been using the new Naish S26 6.8m wing on light days.. This vid was from a few days ago.

https://vimeo.com/544444990

Hey DavidJohn - great video. I have the same board and am about the same weight and height. What size foil did ride?
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: cnski on May 11, 2021, 05:50:28 PM
I'm pretty much your size. You need a 6m hands down. And a good stiff one. Like a Duotone Unit, Ensis, or Cabrinha Mantis. A stiff wing is mandatory for a guy your size.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: bluemarlin04 on May 11, 2021, 06:32:28 PM
I'm pretty much your size. You need a 6m hands down. And a good stiff one. Like a Duotone Unit, Ensis, or Cabrinha Mantis. A stiff wing is mandatory for a guy your size.

Thanks.

Will check those out.

Which one do you recommend?

Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: bluemarlin04 on May 11, 2021, 06:42:38 PM
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/spo/d/kapolei-6m-duotone-echo-wing-foil/7312242949.html

any comments on this one?
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: cnski on May 11, 2021, 07:15:40 PM
Yes, that is a stiff wing and would be good for sure. Didn't mention the Duo Echo earlier because I assumed you would be out carving up big beautiful waves but that is a good wing and a good deal.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: DavidJohn on May 12, 2021, 01:10:45 AM
The big Naish 2450 is the perfect foil for a big guy like you to learn with and wing size will depend on wind strength.. Id say a 5-6m wing should work well in light winds and once the wind hits 20 knots a 4-4.5m will work for you..
btw the new Naish S26 wings have plenty of low end grunt..

Im 63 and about 220 lbs and Ive been using the new Naish S26 6.8m wing on light days.. This vid was from a few days ago.

https://vimeo.com/544444990

Hey DavidJohn - great video. I have the same board and am about the same weight and height. What size foil did ride?

Thanks.. Im using the Naish S25 HA1800.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: juandesooka on May 12, 2021, 01:46:56 PM
Good advice above ... now that I think of it, pretty much everyone I know who started winging with the intermediate plus board, ended up going bigger to start after a whole bunch of frustration. 

Strongly agree that being over-winged is preferable to under-winged in early days. Same as learning kiting, you want power on demand, press the gas and it goes.  As well, more wind gives something to balance against, vs standing on a tippy board in chop trying to generate forward momentum.

Report back on your progress! It has been interesting to see different rates of take-up for folks with varied backgrounds.  Windsurfers and windfoilers get it really quick. Kiters and surf foilers have a little advantage, but slower. 

I just gave a buddy a half hour land orientation and it really highlighted how spending that half hour on land may save you many hours of frustration on water.  Initially he couldn't hold the wing in position, it kept dipping and backwinding. He'd ask what he was doing wrong and I couldn't explain, just had to show him -- and then 10 minutes later, once he had it figured out, he couldn't remember what he was initially doing wrong either. It seems so obvious once you know how.
Title: Re: Recommended Wing Size
Post by: bluemarlin04 on May 21, 2021, 11:47:35 AM
That one I found was gone.  So I am back on the hunt for a new wing.

The shop nearby only got starboard wings.  Are those any good?
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