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The Foil Zone => Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP => Topic started by: deja vu on March 18, 2021, 03:28:53 PM
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Here's a video of Alan Cadiz promoting the attributes of the new Duotone Slick:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L02dL5Eqtg
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At the 6:44 minute mark of the above video I think it's Ken Winner doing the tacks -- those with a windsurfing background will know who that is!
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Yes and he riding a Mike's Lab with a custom Sky board.
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I want one. Or maybe several.
I am also noticing all those riders have 2 front straps and NO rear strap. Mmmmmm ????
I have my bias for straps front and back but when I see someone, all of them, that good I have to take note and potentially change my game.
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I want one. Or maybe several.
I am also noticing all those riders have 2 front straps and NO rear strap. Mmmmmm ????
I have my bias for straps front and back but when I see someone, all of them, that good I have to take note and potentially change my game.
I ride without a back strap on my bigger, non sinker board and it feels more intuitive being able to really drive hard carves by putting a foot close to a rail, making more efficient use of body weight. Less tiring too, as you're not putting loads of torque through a footstrap. My small board is actually too narrow to get really good leverage through moving my back foot so a rear strap is needed, and I jump that board anyway.
Alan Cadiz mentioned on the Blue Planet podcast he moves his back foot around too much for a back strap but had committed to keeping the foil in the water from the start.
EDIT - oh, and I have a Slick on order and can't wait to get that amped power in a short wingspan for sinker starts.
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At the 6:44 minute mark of the above video I think it's Ken Winner doing the tacks -- those with a windsurfing background will know who that is!
Yeah, that's Ken, he also designs all the duotone wings and he's Allan's friend and neighbor, which is how Allan gets all those prototype wings. Well, that and he is probably the best testing resource on the planet with both his own skills and those of the instructors who work for him as well as the many students to try things at all experience levels. Allan is a pretty damned good fabricator and aluminum welder too. He made his own boom ends from welded aluminum in the early days of winging.
If they make a wing larger than 6M I'll buy one. I just bought a full quiver of F-one Strikes, but as a boom guy, these look really good.
I wing strapless. I don't jump--my head says yes, but my knees say NO! Robbie says "both or none" though I still like a front strap for surfing.
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I'd really like to get a slick 5m but it's mentioned that the Aluminium booms won't be ready until May and no date on carbon booms.
I'd rather have a carbon boom but know prices on that yet. I'll guess I'll wait until everything's in stock in May there might be more options by then.
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I'd really like to get a slick 5m but it's mentioned that the Aluminium booms won't be ready until May and no date on carbon booms.
I'd rather have a carbon boom but know prices on that yet. I'll guess I'll wait until everything's in stock in May there might be more options by then.
$200 U.S. for the carbon boom. The aluminium is a lot cheaper.
https://www.mackiteboarding.com/2021-duotone-slick-wing/
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It's pretty easy to make booms.
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How long is it?
A 120cm spearfishing carbon tube is 60€.
28mm outside diameter.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLAvs2CESgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzT3xn-qbIM
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Slick compared to the Echo: lower aspect; tips drawn in (bounce off the water when there is contact); more tension in the canopy; more stable; more control; more power; better boom system, which is more direct and so on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLDRdUpHkWs
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How long is it?
A 120cm spearfishing carbon tube is 60€.
28mm outside diameter.
The simplest way to make a boom is from a Kenalu Paddle shaft. They're tapered and happen to be almost exactly the right size for the original duotone boom ends. I don't know about the Slick's boom ends but they look about the same size. I made a number of duotone carbon booms for myself and my friends. as far as I know, they are all still in use. If I manage to get a slick that will be the first thing I do. Dropping the boom weight by 60 percent is a big deal, especially for downwind or when flagging. A heavy boom drops the tail of the wing unless it's blasting.
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How long is it?
A 120cm spearfishing carbon tube is 60€.
28mm outside diameter.
The simplest way to make a boom is from a Kenalu Paddle shaft. They're tapered and happen to be almost exactly the right size for the original duotone boom ends. I don't know about the Slick's boom ends but they look about the same size. I made a number of duotone carbon booms for myself and my friends. as far as I know, they are all still in use. If I manage to get a slick that will be the first thing I do. Dropping the boom weight by 60 percent is a big deal, especially for downwind or when flagging. A heavy boom drops the tail of the wing unless it's blasting.
You can order the Slick with a carbon boom -- it's more expensive ($200) but specifically made for the Slick and is very light. I'm not sure what carbon paddles cost or how much effort goes into modifying them.
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In the unboxing video above the author mentions how light the carbon boom is. You can also see what the ends of the boom look like and how it attaches to the wing.
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585 gr (alu) Vs 330 gr (carbon).
That’s what is written on the website.
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Here's a good look at the Slick with the aluminium boom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEL5Dzpi41k
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Light wind with the Slick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqI3I8kvsj0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P93S6fDJ10&t=4s
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD1QLDD3Wmw
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For those interested here's a review of the big Slick and comparison with the Echo by Dominic Hoskyns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3FaN_4DZI
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I converted a Duotone Slick Aluminum boom to carbon for TJ at Big Winds using a shaft from Black Project--a very pretty shaft, it killed me to cut it, silvered carbon fiber. It took about fifteen minutes to do the conversion--maybe less. The end result is super light. If I get a slick that will be the first thing I do.
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The Ke Nalu Xtuff handle came out at 220 grams and worked and fit great.
The shrink wrap was a extra 100 grams that really only seems to have added a little visual benefit
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I converted a Duotone Slick Aluminum boom to carbon for TJ at Big Winds using a shaft from Black Project--a very pretty shaft, it killed me to cut it, silvered carbon fiber. It took about fifteen minutes to do the conversion--maybe less. The end result is super light. If I get a slick that will be the first thing I do.
Hey Bill - what was the OD on the boom, and what wall thickness did you go with? Waiting on delivery, figure I will get materials now to expedite carbon swap.
Thanks
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I converted a Duotone Slick Aluminum boom to carbon for TJ at Big Winds using a shaft from Black Project--a very pretty shaft, it killed me to cut it, silvered carbon fiber. It took about fifteen minutes to do the conversion--maybe less. The end result is super light. If I get a slick that will be the first thing I do.
Hey Bill - what was the OD on the boom, and what wall thickness did you go with? Waiting on delivery, figure I will get materials now to expedite carbon swap.
Thanks
I didn't measure it, but there's another at my shop, as well as the offcut. I'll try to remember to do so this morning. Of course, it's whatever Black Project uses for their shafts, but simple enough to measure. I had to cut a little notch in the inner sleeve of the small end cap. The outer sleeve fit loosely but the inner sleeve was too tight to reliably insert. A little wedge, a generous amount of hot glue, and a mallet solved the problem nicely, and the part is in compression anyway.
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Looks like their standard diameter shaft is 29mm, and reduced diameter is 26.5. However, at this rate I probably won't get my wing until September... so maybe I should just wait until I see the whites of its eyes.
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Finished my slick carbon boom, 233gms. Used a kayak carbon paddle shaft bought off ebay, 130cm long, US$66. Fully sealed, no rivets.
Just need some wind to try it.
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nice job! hard to tell from pic did you use the plastic end parts from the Duotone Al boom or make those yourself?
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I used PVC foam blocks bonded to the shaft then shaped and lightly glassed in carbon.
I thought of taking moulds off the Duotone parts but too much work for one item.
No grip on the shaft, just rough sanded with 80 grit. I’ve used this method on my carbon kite bars for a few years and it works well, just don’t get sunscreen on it.
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Nice work. I guess you could sell that aluminum one. I've just drilled the rivets out, pulled the end bits off, then hot glued them in place on the carbon shaft and added rivets to keep the bits from turning.
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Hey Wingfoil - or anyone else who has a slick:
would you be kind enough to take a few pictures of the ends of the boom next to a ruler and also give me an overall length of the boom with fittings?
I was able to score a slick wing without the boom and I'm going to make a carbon boom from a paddle shaft rather than buy the aluminum one for $80. I figure on 3D printing the end fittings and hot gluing in place. Unless the paddle handle fits in the front end as is, I'll use that since its super light.
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The stock boom is 1285mm, but any wing below 4 mtr can use a much shorter boom. The 2.5mtr takes a 1030mm boom and the 3.0mtr takes a 1075mm boom. A mate had his stock length boom pop out on his 4mtr, seems some 4mtrs need a longer than 1285mm boom.
Same mate made a mould of the front end as the 3D printed ones were heavy, now they are foam filled carbon.
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I picked up a 4.5m slick without a boom.
It turns out the Kenalu ergoT handle fits the front end perfectly. I have a broken paddle shaft that I cut to size and I just need to make a stopper for the back end and hot-glue it in. Its going to be super light, I'm psyched.
I would guess that just about any paddle handle would work and who of us doesn't have an old carbon paddle around.
This wing looks sweet!
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FYI - everything works great. It’s cheaper than the carbon handle to buy a ke nalu shaft and ergo T handle and plug the other end. Also this is about 200g solution versus the duotone 330g for the carbon mini boom. I personally really liked the grip of the x tuff shaft. I reckon that just about any paddle with a T handle could be cut to length. Cheers!
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photos please!
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FYI - everything works great. It’s cheaper than the carbon handle to buy a ke nalu shaft and ergo T handle and plug the other end. Also this is about 200g solution versus the duotone 330g for the carbon mini boom. I personally really liked the grip of the x tuff shaft. I reckon that just about any paddle with a T handle could be cut to length. Cheers!
Yup. Ke Nalu shafts turn out to be kind of the ultimate fabrication component for wings. The taper is just right for all kinds of stuff.