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Title: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Wingingtanuki on March 12, 2021, 01:20:17 PM
I'm digging this. 

If anyone has had a chance to ride one, please post up some comments.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: deja vu on March 12, 2021, 01:58:59 PM
I believe the information about this foil was released prematurely and has been taken down.  It will probably be a few weeks or more before this foil is formally introduced to the general public.

No doubt it will be a popular foil -- welcome to the party! Just about every foil manufacturer will have one or more HA foils for sale this year.  Moses has the W1000, 900 and 800.  Slingshot will be adding a HA foil to their Phantasm lineup.  North will have at least one.  Axis has a several and on it goes.  Lots of competition out there, which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Hilly on March 13, 2021, 03:08:42 AM
Not even remotely interested. Flat water tricksters might like it and that is all. Will be ordinary in waves.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 13, 2021, 03:31:54 AM
Will be ordinary in waves.

It might jump to the moon in waves. The faster you go, the higher you jump.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Califoilia on March 13, 2021, 08:08:40 AM
Not even remotely interested. Flat water tricksters might like it and that is all. Will be ordinary in waves.
Yep, gonna be interesting to see exactly who's going to be able to actually get it to fly in ordinary waves. I'm curious to see if anyone over 150 lbs and on a prone board will be able to get that thing to lift them off the water unassisted with as little surface area and high AR that it has.

I know a lot of guys around here have been clamoring for Armie to come out with a HA wing after watching so many of us having such a blast on Axis, C9, Lift, Uni, and GoFoil HA wings, but I don't believe a 9.8 AR was what they expected, wanted, or will be able to ride. But we'll see soon enough...I'm sure a couple of my diehard Armstrong friends already have their deposits in. :D

EDIT: It was just 3.5 short months ago that Armie was saying that there were only a few riders in the world that could ride a HA wing....

https://youtu.be/wvy2OzfH4N4?t=438

...guess everyone got a whole lot better in record time that he decided to make them now. ;D
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Phils on March 14, 2021, 09:29:28 AM
It is small but I wonder if their fuse to front wing connection can handle a larger HA foil. 
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: flkiter on March 14, 2021, 11:03:11 AM
I just couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Dontsink on March 14, 2021, 11:08:43 AM
I just couldn't resist.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMTvzvYrPNb/?igshid=gk83ui8yh0or (https://www.instagram.com/p/CMTvzvYrPNb/?igshid=gk83ui8yh0or)


He is relentlessly annoying the whole industry :)
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Califoilia on March 14, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
He is relentlessly annoying the whole industry :)
The guy's comments are hilarious! The one that goes with the above horses is priceless...

"_foiled_again_ Project ďStripedMosesĒ going off without a hitch. Just kidding, please give me one."
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Hdip on March 14, 2021, 12:38:31 PM
I loved Surfcowboy's response in one of the comments.

Armstrong selling old stock. HA wings don't work! Old stock is all cleared out. Look at our new HA wing!
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on March 14, 2021, 05:59:27 PM
Iím primarily psyched on the 1125 for winging. If it truly is similar to the W1000, then check out Gunnarís review to see why Iím psyching. He basically says itís is favorite wing to date for winging in waves. Enough said. Too bad Moses seems to have some compatibility issues with the W1000 where you need a kite fuse or something.

The new launch seems to include a few extra bolts into the titanium fuse to latch everything down to the nth degree.

Arnie is hamming up the Americaís cup angle and I for one think it is dope. The Mariners museum a few miles from my house has the cat on display that won in San Fran two cups ago. You can basically fondle the foils that are over 6í tall.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: deja vu on March 15, 2021, 08:04:22 AM
Iím primarily psyched on the 1125 for winging. If it truly is similar to the W1000, then check out Gunnarís review to see why Iím psyching. He basically says itís is favorite wing to date for winging in waves. Enough said. Too bad Moses seems to have some compatibility issues with the W1000 where you need a kite fuse or something.

Here's the solution for the compatibility issue:

https://www.mackiteboarding.com/moses-fuselage-to-wing-adapter-plate/
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on March 15, 2021, 09:56:50 AM
8:00 Mark on Gunnar's W1000 review talks about the geometry of the wing and it's preferred mast positioning.  Not sure how this would work with the referenced adapter plate. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQfD-Wqeugw&t=193s

I hope the HA1125 doesn't need to go further forward than the HS1250 or I'll be in the market for a new wingboard.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Wingingtanuki on March 15, 2021, 11:02:17 AM
Here's Armie winging next to the big boys!
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on March 15, 2021, 02:11:31 PM
HA1125 reaching 50 knots!  ;D
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Deepwater on March 16, 2021, 12:33:52 AM
Can anyone shed light on the A+ system & it's compatibility to the current fuselage/overall system ...?
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: exiled on March 16, 2021, 01:31:14 AM
I just couldn't resist.

Go Foil had a prototype that was barking up a pretty similar tree about 4 months age: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGvilepjmv9/
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 16, 2021, 04:01:20 AM
Can anyone shed light on the A+ system & it's compatibility to the current fuselage/overall system ...?

Per social media comments, it is extra screws. Reverse compatible. Instructions for retrofitting screws to older parts.

My personal opinion is, the extra screws might be addressing the random wobble seen in some kits. Lose fitting hex, or worn hex. Also snapped screws. Any play in the hex, could possibly cause two issues. The hex wearing more from the wobble, and the screws snapping from fatigue. Stainless screws cannot tolerate back and forth side loading. They would work harden and snap. The side loading should be taken by the hex, not the screws.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Hdip on March 16, 2021, 07:51:16 AM
The new wing is over a meter wide. I assume that's why they needed a second screw to hold it all stable. Starboard does a similar side screw too I think.

The retrofit jig kit is supposed to cost $600?
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 16, 2021, 08:13:34 AM
The new wing is over a meter wide. I assume that's why they needed a second screw to hold it all stable.

Thatís a no-way in my opinion.

High aspect wings put less torque on the connection and mast, than the 2400 by a wide margin.

The 2400 feels like a dogs tail wagging under the board.

Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 16, 2021, 09:36:36 AM
further clarification. Racy high aspect wings are low area. So there just isnít enough under there to stain the mast/fuse.

Now if the 1125 was 1800 sq cm, then the rules change.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Vancouver_foiler on March 16, 2021, 10:23:11 AM
think lever.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Bermuda Foiler on March 17, 2021, 07:28:13 AM
Video on the HA1125 foil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiA6mzFJGcE
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Alysum on March 17, 2021, 02:39:26 PM
At my local spot there's a friend who always has to use a mallet to assemble/disassemble the fuselage with the mast. It's pretty worn out now. His front wing does seem to wobble a bit on the hex.
It's going to be interesting to see how durable the whole kit is with HA wings. The screws are tiny.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: clay on March 17, 2021, 03:36:54 PM
If Axis came out with curvy wings like this I would be stoked.

I know plenty of 200+ riding sub 1100 area wings no problem.

I don't believe the Armstrong mast/fuse system are strong nor stiff enough for wings this wide.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Califoilia on March 17, 2021, 06:52:31 PM
If Axis came out with curvy wings like this I would be stoked.
Curious as to what you like about the curvy wing tips, and/or the benefit(s) of them.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: deja vu on March 17, 2021, 08:28:43 PM
I don't believe the Armstrong mast/fuse system are strong nor stiff enough for wings this wide.

The system has been upgraded and is backwards compatible.  The 1550 foil has also been upgraded to a higher aspect V2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bXlJfvnrXI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOf0ayVoLg4&t=26s
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Alysum on March 17, 2021, 08:39:37 PM
If Axis came out with curvy wings like this I would be stoked.
That's what the 900/1000 HA wings had with the downturned tips.
They were great but now the HPS wings are even better, they turn just as well if not better.

A flatter front wing will have less drag and probably more solid too.

If you want to turn a bit more, the Axis BSC series has more downturned tips than HPS.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: PonoBill on March 18, 2021, 09:16:48 AM
I've never understood Armstrong's decision to use a hex plug. Harder to manufacture to reasonable tolerance, less resistance to torque. A tapered square plug makes a lot more sense from a design standpoint. Better yet, bail from the entire plug design. That's the reason I switched to Axis.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Dontsink on March 18, 2021, 10:08:22 AM
Same with Takuma wing to fuse joint.
I suspect there is a lot of interest in making it difficult for 3rd party manufacturers or DIYr to make cheaper and/or better fuses,mast etc...
Just look at the Armstrong stab to fuse joint...so unnecessarily complex.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: clay on March 18, 2021, 10:25:28 AM
If Axis came out with curvy wings like this I would be stoked.
Curious as to what you like about the curvy wing tips, and/or the benefit(s) of them.

My experience is the curvy wings have a very fluid and flowy tight banking carving ability that feels fantastic, and much better at tip breaching without ventilating.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: PonoBill on March 18, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
That makes a lot of sense, Clay, the thing I liked most about the 860 wing, which has a mild gullwing, is that it banks and flows. the fatboy wing I built was a substantial gullwing, and while it had too much lift to be practical, I loved the way it turned, and even with the stupendous lift it would either recover from a breach or skim along close to the surface, sucking air.   
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Califoilia on March 18, 2021, 06:13:47 PM
If Axis came out with curvy wings like this I would be stoked.
Curious as to what you like about the curvy wing tips, and/or the benefit(s) of them.

My experience is the curvy wings have a very fluid and flowy tight banking carving ability that feels fantastic, and much better at tip breaching without ventilating.
Yeah, following up on what PB said, I guess I was thinking about some different "curvy wing tips", and not just a "curvy wing"...because the 860 and 760 are both "curvy wings" that are "very fluid and flowy tight banking carving ability that feels fantastic and much better at tip breaching without ventilating".

Don't know if you've ridden either of those, and what you felt about either of them that didn't meet your above criteria of what a curvy wing should provide.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: clay on March 19, 2021, 08:00:50 AM
I have ridden other brands double curve/ gull wings.

For me I like a single curve, or a surfboard analogy preferring single concave to double concave.  The feel difference is a seemless transition from rail to rail, whereas with the gull/ double curve wing I feel the transition from one curve to the other.

I was listening to a Thomas Campbell interview on the Water People podcast and he said - did you get the feeling?   Meaning regardless of ride we are after the same feel good sensation of our own personal nirvana of a good ride - stoke!
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Califoilia on March 19, 2021, 09:58:35 AM
I have ridden other brands double curve/ gull wings.

For me I like a single curve, or a surfboard analogy preferring single concave to double concave.  The feel difference is a seemless transition from rail to rail, whereas with the gull/ double curve wing I feel the transition from one curve to the other.

I was listening to a Thomas Campbell interview on the Water People podcast and he said - did you get the feeling?   Meaning regardless of ride we are after the same feel good sensation of our own personal nirvana of a good ride - stoke!
Gotcha, I've ridden a bunch of other brands' wings (curvy and otherwise), and yes, they have a different feel. I also think a lot has to do with other things besides just the front wing, and what they're paired with.

Using the surfboard analogy, having a "flexy" board with whatever bottom changes the ride/feel of the board also, as does the choice of fins you have in it. Many variables IOWs....same with a foil. Judging a front wing shape on a flexy mast, and the wrong tail can contribute to a different feel from a front wing design, that with a stiffer mast, and correct tail...might just be the exact thing/feel you're searching for.

Make sure you look my up the next time you're at Sano Clay, and we'll experiment with different (curvy) wings, and see if that above makes any difference and/or maybe changes your mind or opinion about them. 👍🏽
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Wingingtanuki on March 19, 2021, 12:53:48 PM
I've never understood Armstrong's decision to use a hex plug. Harder to manufacture to reasonable tolerance, less resistance to torque. A tapered square plug makes a lot more sense from a design standpoint. Better yet, bail from the entire plug design. That's the reason I switched to Axis.

I prefer the plug design.  It's marginally easier to put together and should resist bolts shearing in a forward collision better than a design that depends on the bolts for "x-axis" strength.  I, for one, have been known to hit bottom at full speed in a spectacular human cannonball catapult display.

You are right that the hex is less secure than a square in the circumference - only reason I see they did that is to reduce the diameter of the female socket in the front wings and it may also help with point loads in the socket?

All this being conjecture, we should ask Armie.  Seems like an approachable dude.

Back on the HA1123 topic, a couple of months ago I fell straight onto the wingtip of my HS1850 and bruised my ribs.  Kept me off the water for a week and a half and I could feel it for about four.  As much as I want to try a HA wing out of pure curiosity - I feel those long, pointy tips could be even more of a Cuisinart than your regular wings. Armstrong foils tend to float sideways for a while before they sink, and someone mentioned a 3 foot wingspan? Ouch.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: PonoBill on March 20, 2021, 05:52:59 AM
I've never understood Armstrong's decision to use a hex plug. Harder to manufacture to reasonable tolerance, less resistance to torque. A tapered square plug makes a lot more sense from a design standpoint. Better yet, bail from the entire plug design. That's the reason I switched to Axis.

I prefer the plug design.  It's marginally easier to put together and should resist bolts shearing in a forward collision better than a design that depends on the bolts for "x-axis" strength.  I, for one, have been known to hit bottom at full speed in a spectacular human cannonball catapult display.

You are right that the hex is less secure than a square in the circumference - only reason I see they did that is to reduce the diameter of the female socket in the front wings and it may also help with point loads in the socket?

All this being conjecture, we should ask Armie.  Seems like an approachable dude.

Back on the HA1123 topic, a couple of months ago I fell straight onto the wingtip of my HS1850 and bruised my ribs.  Kept me off the water for a week and a half and I could feel it for about four.  As much as I want to try a HA wing out of pure curiosity - I feel those long, pointy tips could be even more of a Cuisinart than your regular wings. Armstrong foils tend to float sideways for a while before they sink, and someone mentioned a 3 foot wingspan? Ouch.

If you manage to shear three or four 8mm bolts then it's probably a good thing you sheared them, but the bolts on an axis mount are not in shear. There's a large inset block. The bolts are just in tension, holding the block into the receiving slot on the wing. The downside is the required thickness of the wing which is why the black fuselages came about. It's still somewhat limited, all design is managing compromises.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: clay on March 20, 2021, 11:10:16 AM
@Dave - Will do. 🤙
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: deja vu on March 22, 2021, 02:39:24 PM
New stabilizer to go with the HA foil or any Armstrong foil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5CiC-bXa0o
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: deja vu on March 23, 2021, 12:07:34 PM
Reworked 1550:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHAvf9mvr4
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Deepwater on March 25, 2021, 07:11:27 AM
Anyone have any "how to"  links with guidance / tips on how to drill the current foils & mast with the Armstrong drill jig kit...?
Can't find anything on you tube...
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: deja vu on March 25, 2021, 08:27:25 AM
Here in Canada the Armstrong foils (especially the new ones) are super expensive.  The HA1125 package is $3,760 with tax!  So, we're deficit spending like crazy.  People are receiving government money (stimulus spending) and using it to purchase Armstrong foils?  Apparently or else taking trips to Maui to learn how to wing foil.   ;D  This delusional thinking has to end sometime or maybe not.  :P. Thanks to the pandemic the housing prices here have left the stratosphere and are well on the way to the outer reaches of the galaxy.   :o  All I can do is sit back , hang on and go along for the ride -- the mental patients now run the asylum.  :(

Add 13% H.S.T. (tax) to these prices.

https://www.2-rad.com/foils-1/
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Hdip on March 25, 2021, 08:59:42 AM
You can't buy happiness. But you can buy foils. So it's pretty close.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Deepwater on March 29, 2021, 08:10:52 PM
Anyone have tips or links for guidance on how to drill the mast & wings with the new jig...?
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Wingingtanuki on April 08, 2021, 02:36:32 PM
Well - the wing came in but the fuse did not.
And thereís no wind to try it out anyway.
All I can do is look at it.
(Thatís an HS1850 for scale)
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Deepwater on April 08, 2021, 05:30:47 PM
My HA1125 & A+ fuselage arrived yesterday...
Going to get them in the water tomorrow...very interested to see how it performs... 8)
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on April 08, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
I gave the 1125 itís maiden voyage today! 100cm mast / 70 cm fuse / 13Ē kdmaui tail / +1 shim   4M wing in 14-20mph wing with flat water transitioning to thigh high river bumps in 80 feet of water.

My new 60 fuse didnít arrive and my 50 fuse wouldnít fit at the beach, but luckily I had packed my 70.  I hadnít ridden the 70 fuse in over a year.

This foil is awesome. Finally seeing the light when de-powering into a wind bump and not feeling like I was on the verge of loosing speed quickly if I didnít take the perfect line. Even with the mega-mast burying the foil deep, I was connecting my longest downwind glides yet. I hated the 70 fuse though.

Made probably 80% of gybes compared to 98% on the 1250. Made my two toeside tack attempts (touched down on one).  The stall speed looks around 7-9 mph. Launch speed is very similar in the 6-7 mph range. Definitely pumped more than I have in a long while and I certainly  worked out the soreness from yesterdayís COVID vaccine!  Really needed a strong gust while moving forward to get up.  My mast positioning, strap location, and tail shim choice were probably not helping. Will need some dialing in.

I will check back in after I get out on the 60 or 50 fuse with the new tail wing.

Initial thoughts: this will be my go-to river bump riding foil and down-winger foil, as well as summer flat surf pump wing. It also felt like it wanted to jump as it flew upwind!

Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Phils on April 10, 2021, 02:15:27 PM
I gave the 1125 itís maiden voyage today! 100cm mast / 70 cm fuse / 13Ē kdmaui tail / +1 shim   4M wing in 14-20mph wing with flat water transitioning to thigh high river bumps in 80 feet of water.

My new 60 fuse didnít arrive and my 50 fuse wouldnít fit at the beach, but luckily I had packed my 70.  I hadnít ridden the 70 fuse in over a year.

This foil is awesome. Finally seeing the light when de-powering into a wind bump and not feeling like I was on the verge of loosing speed quickly if I didnít take the perfect line. Even with the mega-mast burying the foil deep, I was connecting my longest downwind glides yet. I hated the 70 fuse though.

Made probably 80% of gybes compared to 98% on the 1250. Made my two toeside tack attempts (touched down on one).  The stall speed looks around 7-9 mph. Launch speed is very similar in the 6-7 mph range. Definitely pumped more than I have in a long while and I certainly  worked out the soreness from yesterdayís COVID vaccine!  Really needed a strong gust while moving forward to get up.  My mast positioning, strap location, and tail shim choice were probably not helping. Will need some dialing in.

I will check back in after I get out on the 60 or 50 fuse with the new tail wing.

Initial thoughts: this will be my go-to river bump riding foil and down-winger foil, as well as summer flat surf pump wing. It also felt like it wanted to jump as it flew upwind!

It may be too early to tell but do you think you have to go one wing size bigger compared to the 1850?
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on April 11, 2021, 12:37:33 PM
Phils,

   Initial though is yes, one size wing larger.  I really want to try the 50 fuse, as the 70 fuse could have been throwing my pump game outta whack a bit.  Also want to try with a bit more angle of attack in the tail. 

   I proned the 1150 with the 85cm Mast and 70 and 50 fuse yesterday.  I had the KD maui 13" tail and +1 shim, which makes it very pitch neutral out of the tail I believe.  I didn't have time to mess with base plate positioning so left in one spot for both fuses.  Initial thoughts:

1. Foil is fast. 
2. Super stable on take-offs.
3. 70 fuse sucks for 3' at 10 seconds.  Couldn't turn it.
4. 50 Fuse is technical on the pump with that tail combo. (lack of pitch in the tail let it wander quite a bit and didn't seem to jump up super fast on de-weight).   First time pumping a HA wing, but seen plenty of footage of the quick pump technique.  Super fun.

Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Wingingtanuki on April 15, 2021, 10:25:34 AM
I have two sessions on the HA1125 and I didn't want to post my thoughts until I had at least one session in higher winds, but it seems like that isn't going to happen anytime soon, so I'll go ahead and post about my two low wind experiences. All wind speeds I took from the National Weather Service weather buoy from my spot for the times I was out wing dinging.

Stats: 10 knots windspeed with gusts to 13 (14 at times).  I'm 155# and both times used a Strike 5.0

Rode back to back with a HS1850, first session HA1125 first then HS1850, second session reversed (that way being tired doesn't affect the outcome).  Both were on 72cm mast, 60cm fuse (old style) 232 rear, 0 degree shim.

Top speed: 18.1 knots on the HA1125, 16.5 on the HS1850 (Recorded on Apple Watch)

Takeoff:
I was on foil all the time with the HS1850 - one or two pumps and you're up. 
The HA1125 requires more finesse: a combination of more patience, pumping the wing with a shorter stroke and maybe a tad more downwind angle.

I think the wind was marginal for the HA1125 and I expect it would be much easier to get it going with a solid 14 knots of breeze. I could take advantage of a 4-5 second gust to come up on foil on the 1850, the 1125 needed a 7-8 second gust - this seems like an eternity when the wind is low.

The 1850 comes up gradually and is easier to control with the front foot, the 1125 comes up fast and will porpoise if you're not paying attention, so you need to be subtle: rear foot while coming up to speed, then front foot gradually to control trim.  Think of it as feathering the throttle instead of stomping on the accelerator.  A longer mast would probably be helpful (more on this later).

Pumping: The 1850 can ride higher in the water, for some reason.  This means that pumping the foil is easier on the 72 cm mast as there is more "room to play" between touching down and breaching. The 1125 will breach easier so I found myself keeping it lower in the water.  This means the board slapped the chop more and I had less space to pump the foil.  A longer mast would probably solve both those issues and probably improve the low end a little.

Gybes:  I'm at 50% on foil for the 1850 (so take my comments with a grain of salt), Could not stay on foil for any on the 1125. The 1125 comes off of foil abruptly and then slows down almost immediately.  With the 1850, you can feel the foil start to drop and it is easier to recover. Also, I can touch down and just kiss the surface of the water and come back up on foil immediately after the foot switch.  Cannot do that yet with the 1125 (maybe need more wind).  The arc of the turn has to be wider with the 1125.

Glide:  Both of these wings will handle the lulls really well and won't come off foil easily.  If I put the Strike in neutral I can pump the 1850 for longer, again some of that may have to do with the mast height.

Upwind angle:  Substantially higher with the HA1125.  The Strike and the 1850 or 1550 are pretty amazing but  the HA1125/Strike combo is unreal.  I had no worries going deep downwind to get on foil because I knew I could just motor back upwind once I got the thing flying. 

Speed:  If the 10% speed increase I mentioned at the beginning of the post holds in higher winds, I should be able to easily improve on my previous speeds. I'm expecting 25 knot straight-line speeds in 18-20 knots.  Maybe not spectacular but super fast for me. Maybe I can keep up with the windfoilers in straight line speeds and the kitefoilers in wind angles  ;)

In conclusion, for where I'm at - learning to ride small waves and perfecting transitions, I'll stick to the HS1850/1550 because they are sharper turning and more forgiving and will come up on foil easier when you make a mistake.  But for higher winds, higher speeds and upwind/downwind cruising angles in the bay, the HA1125 will be the foil to ride.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on April 15, 2021, 01:31:39 PM
Great review Wingingtanuki.   

I just received the new FlyingV FV200 tail wing.  This thing looks nuts!   I hear it pairs super well with the 1125, so I will try and get some water time so I can provide my experience.

I tried proning the 1125 w/ 85CM mast and both the 70cm fuse and 50cm fuse (KDmaui 13" tail w/ +1 shim).  It was super stable on takeoff and wanted to go fast right away.  70cm fuse wouldn't turn and the 50 fuse was tough to pump!  I felt like a newbie snowboarder going straight and not knowing to to keep an edge, waiving my arms around.  Can't wait to get the 60 fuse and FV200 in the water for a proper dial in session.  I'll just say my first session didn't go as well as I had planned (pumping laps everywhere).
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: deja vu on April 15, 2021, 07:59:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0QlyIrV-X0
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Dave B on April 15, 2021, 09:00:31 PM
Super skills!  Well done. Stoked on this for small days -connections all day prone.   I hear itís nuts!  Got one on order..
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on April 22, 2021, 08:09:20 PM
Ok so like 4 or 5 sessions in the books for the 1125. Three days in a row with the swallowtail. Today was the day I was waiting for to test at my local river spot. Steady 15-20mph side shore conditions. After trying the +1 shim yesterday and then trying a negative 1 degree baseplate shim, I went back to zero shims and slammed forward in the box with the 50 fuse (A+ is 2cm longer, so really 52).

Iím pretty blown away by this setup. The wing has so much range and can turn on a dime. It definitely requires good technique and quick reflexes, which is what I enjoy.   I was towing into small double up river bumps and gliding at least twice as far between power ups.  The acceleration is instant. Start to get towards stalling point? Just sheet in and BAM you are way down the line to the next Streep section to de- power again.  I can already tell that riding this wing will improve my technique on the others.

It reminds me of getting fresh tracks after 2í of fresh pow and dropping into a steep slope that has plenty of covered up moguls. You canít feel the hard moguls but you are banking and slashing everywhere.

At this point, this is my favorite Armstrong wing for Winging.  It turns my local spot into an amazing time. 10 miles covered in an hour and wanted to keep going for another 10.

Canít wait to take it to wing in some ocean waves!
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: deja vu on May 06, 2021, 04:17:42 PM
Armstrong HA1125 powered by the Slick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TCAbOU4xHg
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Phils on June 08, 2021, 04:10:37 AM
When I first saw the specs on this foil, I dismissed it a being too small for winging but over time, with better low end wing dings and more experience with smaller foils, I decided to give it a go.  All I can say is WOW.  The hype is accurate.  My preferred set up is with 60 cm A+ fuse, 232 tail (no shim), 85 cm mast all the way forward.

The biggest downside is the higher speed needed for lift off.  I am guessing I need a wing size bigger compared to the Armstrong 1250 or Axis 910.  That will probably get better with more time and refinement of technique. (keep board flat until speed is built up). 

The upside is that the acceleration, glide and pump are in a completely different league compared to anything I have experienced (Lift HA, Axis HA, LP, Delta).  It just goes and goes.  A couple of light, quick pumps and it shoots forward to that next swell.  It is the ultimate Gorge foil.  And I can carve it.  It took a while to figure out the technique but when I get it right, it just locks in and carves a wave face like it is on tracks.  This is the first high aspect foil I have been able to do this with. 

Attached (I hope) is an image of my geeky self at The Wall (East Gorge) on a 30 mph day with my Fone 2.8
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on June 08, 2021, 04:31:42 AM
Yeah Iíve been almost exclusively on the 1125 for a while now. You can definitely carve it! 

Finally dialing in my prone settings as well. Last session with typical tiny summer swell I was catching tiny waves on the inside of the surfers at a peak, kicking out and pumping for the horizon, having my pick of swells for the return trip down the beach where the waves werenít really working for surfers. Being able to have that confidence is something I havenít experienced with other Armstrong wings.

Iím on the look out for a ha950 or similar!
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Cornbread on June 16, 2021, 01:31:38 PM
When I first saw the specs on this foil, I dismissed it a being too small for winging but over time, with better low end wing dings and more experience with smaller foils, I decided to give it a go.  All I can say is WOW.  The hype is accurate.  My preferred set up is with 60 cm A+ fuse, 232 tail (no shim), 85 cm mast all the way forward.

The biggest downside is the higher speed needed for lift off.  I am guessing I need a wing size bigger compared to the Armstrong 1250 or Axis 910.  That will probably get better with more time and refinement of technique. (keep board flat until speed is built up). 

The upside is that the acceleration, glide and pump are in a completely different league compared to anything I have experienced (Lift HA, Axis HA, LP, Delta).  It just goes and goes.  A couple of light, quick pumps and it shoots forward to that next swell.  It is the ultimate Gorge foil.  And I can carve it.  It took a while to figure out the technique but when I get it right, it just locks in and carves a wave face like it is on tracks.  This is the first high aspect foil I have been able to do this with. 

Attached (I hope) is an image of my geeky self at The Wall (East Gorge) on a 30 mph day with my Fone 2.8
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Cornbread on June 16, 2021, 01:33:32 PM
Hey Phil

What size KT board are you on? Looks like you're dialed in.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Phils on June 17, 2021, 05:26:41 AM
Hey Phil

What size KT board are you on? Looks like you're dialed in.

It's 4-9 x 75 L Custom build.  Light and stiff.  I am very happy with it.  They were very good to work with and will build you exactly what you want.
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: blueplanetsurf on June 18, 2021, 02:14:18 PM
Here is a new video where Daniel talks about the Armstrong lineup, including the 1150, this video is focused on prone foil surfing:
https://youtu.be/kAtdrCN8l84
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: Cornbread on June 20, 2021, 09:48:51 AM
Great info Robert and Daniel. 

Will you post a video of how to "shave" the 1250?

Thank You
Title: Re: Armstrong HA1125
Post by: VB_Foil on June 23, 2021, 10:44:46 AM
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