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The Foil Zone => Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP => Topic started by: Admin on January 25, 2021, 04:38:47 AM
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We are down in Baja sitting out the rest of the winter. Fortunately, our daughter was able to join us and we have both grandkids here as well for at least a couple of months. We were able to get a really nice home which sits at the bottom of a sweet 5 mile downwind run. It is kind of a south shore Maui setup with cruisey, even bumps.
It seems like everyone had the same plan to sit out covid down here. I have never seen so many kiters in one place ever, including here in previous visits.
I have been watching jetski foil lessons in the mornings. Man, does that look frustrating. I can hear them screaming at each other in Italian from the porch :)
We have been using our trusty Axis 760/860 and the 390 tails so far while we adjust to the new Ensis wings but I just cut down my 420 tail to 400 so we will see how that goes with the 980 today.
My legs are pretty well garbage now so every outing feels seat of my pants crazy. Even so, this sport so unbelievably fun. Following swell with a wing and a foil, a mile off the coast, with your wife, jumping fish...magic.
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Kiters
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La Ventana 8) Nice...... We are getting dumped on with rain, hail and snow at low elevations. I don't think you guys will see a drop of it. Generating some crazy winds too. Ocean is looking like 'Victory at sea'.
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Wow! Beautiful, and stoked you're able to stay at such a great place, have lots of fun, and especially being able to do it all with your daughter and grandkids enjoying it all with you. That's something very special for sure. 👍🏽💪🏽🙏🏽
Curious with your decision to cut down the 420 and losing the tips, instead a 460. We have been using our trusty Axis 760/860 and the 390 tails so far while we adjust to the new Ensis wings but I just cut down my 420 tail to 400 so we will see how that goes with the 980 today.
The 420 tips were a game changer for me with just enough hold of the tail paired with the 910 and 900 than I was able to get with the 460 which liked to slide the tail a bit more than I was comfortable with.
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Sounds great, enjoy your stay. Brings back fond memories of LV.
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Jealous! (Although that looks bloody crowded :o, but still jealous!). Heck, I’ll take anything over hands going numb at 45 deg. Maybe you can rig a cam and show us some of that cool video editing with Davinci Resolve
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Curious with your decision to cut down the 420 and losing the tips, instead a 460. We have been using our trusty Axis 760/860 and the 390 tails so far while we adjust to the new Ensis wings but I just cut down my 420 tail to 400 so we will see how that goes with the 980 today.
The 420 tips were a game changer for me with just enough hold of the tail paired with the 910 and 900 than I was able to get with the 460 which liked to slide the tail a bit more than I was comfortable with.
Up until now I haven't really loved any of the high aspect tails. The 420 cut to 400 feels pretty nice, though. I am going to try it at 380 as well and see if that makes it better again. I really like the 390 so that is still my high bar.
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I winged with flkiter yesterday. He tried my Kane tail. His preferred tail, is the 370 with the HPS front.
I totally get why we like different tails. Nick with the 370 tail, takes the HPS wing into a very “pumpy” ride. Nick can go out with a smaller Ensis than others, take off instantly, and pump all around.
While my style, of going for max speed all the time, the pumpy setup doesn’t work. It would go into hobby horse mode if pushed to max speed. So for me, the 420 tail works perfect.
Regarding the Kane tail, it doesn’t out pump the 370, nor does it out race the 420, but it is very loose.
Jacky has decided she doesn’t like reverse shimming the 420. She prefers no shim. Reverse shimming puts her riding nose low. The same nose low riding happens to me without the stock shim. So I ride with stock shim.
Admin, can you explain what you feel and why you like the tail setup you do, or what your style is.
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Up until now I haven't really loved any of the high aspect tails. The 420 cut to 400 feels pretty nice, though. I am going to try it at 380 as well and see if that makes it better again. I really like the 390 so that is still my high bar.
Makes sense (as does what DW says about different strokes/stabs for different folks), and I too loved the 390...up until I found the 420...after I wasn't able to get the 460 to work on the 900...but loved it on the 860, go figure (yeah, I'm a mess :o :D).
The 420 on the 910 and 900 just feels like a nice combo of the 390's maneuverability with its tip to hold in the turns, and is much quicker closer to the 460 speed wise, but holds way better in the turns than the slippery/looser 460 does.
I think a lot of the discussion has to also do with front wing choice. As mentioned, the 460 worked great for me paired up with the 860, and I believe that has to do with the fact that the 860 has a much lower AS than the other two (6.10 to 6.80+), has the most surface area, and the "deep V" design.
All of which slow it down quite a quite a bit comparatively, and the "V" design works to lock into the turns better in itself...so a looser tail like the 460 speeds it up, but doesn't make it as squirrelly as it does the faster, looser HA and faster wings in the surf on a SUP at least.
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A little update. I cut the 420 further down to 380 and up-shimmed it 1 degree. This is the flattest setup I have run with any foil kit. up .5 degree front wing, down 1 degree stabilizer for total difference of 1.5 degrees. This is with the 980 up front on a short black fuselage. This really cools off the 980 and gets rid of the last bit of kick and jump. It also gets it into the range of the 390 in terms of turning. The 980 is still not a loose goose but this helps.
This made the 980 really fun in some gusty, lumpy higher wind conditions. That is pretty cool to know.
This makes me think that the upcoming 380 (with tips) will be awesome for me. It also has me stoked for the smaller BSC wings that are coming for the Black Fuselage. The upcoming 890 at 1290 area (just a hint smaller than my beloved 860 at 1293 and a bit smaller than the 980 at 1323) and but super thin and more oriented towards all around use and carving vs speed, hell yes!
I would say that mid weight guys or lighter will want to avoid the down-shim that Axis provides with the HPS series. That may off-put people who might otherwise enjoy the wings. If anything they will want to shim in the other direction.
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So you have the final production 980 at 1323?
Just so you don’t think we are crazy, Jacky and I have the preproduction 980s. Smaller, faster, raw unbridled performance, compared the final version. The production 930 is closer to the preproduction 980 size wise.
Final production HPS (a.k.a v2 980) is an easier to ride, tamer version. We actually prefer the original, and wouldn’t sell them at any price. Probably explains our difference in shim choice.
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My 980 says 1253 but the spec list reads 1323 so I assumed that was just a working-on-it thing. I really don't know what mine is. What is printed on yours?
I don't think you guys are crazy at all. So many variables in all of this. No wonder that they have a zillion options.
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Admin have you ever tried a unifoil setup? Sounds like you’d really enjoy it.
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I haven't, but I think they look terrific. Which on do you use?
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I had a signature albatross 175. (the original one) but just sold it as I'm out of the water due to injury for awhile. The way you talk about angles sounds to me like the unifoils which seem very very flat to me, would be up your alley.
New Adam Bennets footage is insane glide on the latest prototype.
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Cool looking joint, I bet you're enjoying it. It reminds me a bit of Ponohouse with the peeled posts. Ours are Ohia, I wonder what those are. In the remodel, which is almost finished (I think, Diane has stopped talking to me about it, which probably means the budget is history) we added a tiled Lanai like that to replace the mud bog back yard.
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My 980 says 1253 but the spec list reads 1323 so I assumed that was just a working-on-it thing. I really don't know what mine is. What is printed on yours?
I don't think you guys are crazy at all. So many variables in all of this. No wonder that they have a zillion options.
You have the v1 980....the epic one in my book. Don’t ever sell it ;D
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We are having a great time but these two frijoles are nearly expats. The discovery of the Marshkabob was the clincher.
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Wait til they find the guy with the chocolate fountain. Their minds will be blown.
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Carseat seems trustworthy, but I wouldn't be giving Olive Oyl sharp objects. And it's not because she might hurt herself.
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So you have the final production 980 at 1323?
Just so you don’t think we are crazy, Jacky and I have the preproduction 980s. Smaller, faster, raw unbridled performance, compared the final version. The production 930 is closer to the preproduction 980 size wise.
Final production HPS (a.k.a v2 980) is an easier to ride, tamer version. We actually prefer the original, and wouldn’t sell them at any price. Probably explains our difference in shim choice.
What's the difference in how they ride? What's the v2 like? Slower?
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Wait til they find the guy with the chocolate fountain. Their minds will be blown.
Hah!
Gramps is just stoked to have found the wood fired oven. How have I lived without this for so long? So far we have done some really good pizzas and some BOMBER steaks. 800 degrees? Oh, yes.
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This area is so cool. There are a few gentle but really organized waves that break most mornings just down the beach from us. One is a super mellow SUP wave that looks like it would be really fun for SUP foiling. I can't SUP anymore but Chan and her sister were getting some nice SUP rides last week. They had it to themselves. SWEET.
I have had to give up on winging. Bit of a bummer but the time has come. My bod is just too unreliable now to make it work. When I head out I never know what I am going to get. I may get 15 or 20 good minutes or maybe none. Even at its best it was kind of crazy feeling but still fun. The problem is when my coordination goes now, it is going super hard and fast. I had two freaky sessions where it kicked out on me and I couldn't tread water or get back on my board. I had to drift in (long) beside my gear. I can't work with that. I am letting it go. Fortunately there are a ton of hungry wingers down here and my new/relatively new Winging gear is/was in high demand :).
On the upside there is some super fun gravel path "mountain" biking through the Cactus forests that suits me well. I have been hitting that every day.
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What??!! You are quitting winging altogether as in never again? I sure hope not....
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Admin! Sad to hear that!!
I hope it’s just a moment
Take care!
Andrea
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Shocking news. Your enthusiasm for winging has been such a joy and inspiration to many of us.
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Shocking news. Your enthusiasm for winging has been such a joy and inspiration to many of us.
Shocked as well What Happened Admin injury,just hope this a temporary thing,your our winging ringleader
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Fuck. this has been one seriously shitty year+. Take it easy bud, I'll see you back in HR.
Maybe the TowBot?
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Hey Admin. Really, really sorry to hear this. It just sucks. I've appreciated all the advice you've provided and how enthusiastic you have been in promoting this sport. I'm still in the very early stages of learning winging but you have helped me a lot. Most of the equipment I have purchased has been on your recommendation, and it has all been "spot on".
Thanks again for all you have done. Hope that somehow you can find a way around this, and if not can find something else that gives you as much pleasure.
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Have you had any success with any of the meds or therapies?
On the mtn biking, look into a pedal assist. Rode one today. Wow! As soon as you start to pedal a little harder up a hill, it just gives you such a boost. Handles great too. Only felt a little heavier than my bike. It was an 'Intense Trazer'.
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Thanks guys. You are awesome!
I have a kind of rare 10% shitty version of MS. There is only one FDA approved drug for Primary Progressive MS and I am not good candidate because I am no longer developing new lesions. My problem is that I have a lot of lesions in my brain and spinal chord that are in the process of degrading. The drug works best on preventing new lesions so there is not much if any potential benefit to me. There is a lot of stuff in the works that has great potential but it is all in various stages of trial. This is one https://www.jpost.com/health-science/hadassah-stem-cell-treatment-could-let-ms-patients-walk-again-651475 .
I knew this was coming and I knew that I had lost some stuff this winter, but honestly, I thought I had this year. I did gear up for Video just in case :). I got myself a new camera and a great 400 prime (which I have always wanted). I fully intend to stay involved and shoot a lot of foiling in the Gorge this upcoming season. I have fallen in love with these foiling sports. I love the activity but also the gear and I really enjoy the spectating aspect as well. It is just a super nice thing to watch and I think I will love shooting and editing it.
Tall, that is a great suggestion on the e-bikes. I have been looking at those and I am not sure which way to go. My dad (80) just bought this Niner and he loves it https://ninerbikes.com/products/rlt-e9-rdo . We actually rented eBikes when we were down here last year and we all got stoked on it (and those were very budget and beat up bikes). The place we are at has these fat tire (not electric) bikes and I had never ridden one before. Man are they stable and nice on stuff like deeper sand and gravel. Super low pressure tires feels like suspension. I may go with an e version of a fat bike or go with the widest traditional tires on a full suspension model. Not sure about that yet. This would be more about comfort and stability than performance. I can't stand and ride so staying seated all the time...you get it :)
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If I were going to buy instead of build it would be from Luna, and either this if I wanted something more or less traditional that I could order with a 2000 watt option:
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-9vkjq73s/images/stencil/2048x2048/products/1862/12015/x1_glossy_01_-_fb__95322.1605825000.jpg)
or this if I wanted to really piss off the folks at Post Canyon:
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-9vkjq73s/images/stencil/2048x2048/products/1724/12414/surron_black_edition_with_black_rst__04592.1609197852.jpg)
Yes, you can get it with pedals.
I do, however, have a spare 1500 watt motor we can slap on any bike you feel inclined to electrify. Little motors have a place, I just don't know where that might be.
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Happy to hear you are planning on staying involved. You have a lot of advantages to create great work including being at the Gorge AND knowing your subject matter so well. Mel and I look forward to seeing you guys again soon.
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https://wattwagons.com/products/hydra
When I was looking at bikes last couple months that thing looks pretty amazing for a full suspension E bike. It has a fat tire option.
Then the budget fat tire option is always. Www.lectricbikes.com $900.
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Wattwagon builds very cool bikes, though spec'd the way I'd want it's nearly $12K. That's serious bread for a bike, though I know the entire MTN bike world flings bucks around briskly. I'm very much in favor of internally geared hubs for eBikes, I used an Alfine for the three-wheeler I built about ten years ago and if I were going to make something serious instead of the crap I currently build, it would certainly have one. I tried a nuvinci in my three-wheeler as well but it's only rated for 250W and mine is 1200 watts. I'm just waiting for it to fry in the middle of noplace.
My current strategy is go mega cheap on the bike ($200 for Mongoose fat tire piece of shit) and not on the power plant so I can ride it on the beach, get it salty, watch it corrode away, and then toss the bike and swap the power onto another. I can do the conversion in about two hours. That strategy is working perfectly in La Jolla. The weird thing is that people with $5K bikes think my P.O.S. is really cool-looking. I'm on the beach with it pretty much every day. No one does that--they're all in the parking lot chained to a post. I rode mine down the cliff path to Blacks a few days ago to foil. the lifeguard came by and told me I was going to destroy my bike. I explained. He just kind of stared at me. I don't know whether he thought it was a great idea or that I was nuts.
The likelihood of Admin doing that is precisely 0, so I don't know why I'm bothering to recommend it.
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Admin that sounds like a total bummer, a big loss. Poop. Hope the other happy places in your life keep the stoke high.
If you ever want to collaborate on a many hands video project I'd love to hear about it.
My 5 year old and I have comfort levels on different planets. I am stoked when he is up for some little waves, and we have discovered dune sledding which is pretty fun. Most days some driftwood or the sand castle kit is the go to gear of the day...
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Really sorry to hear this Admin I thought it might of been a injury.Hopefully you can pick your days and still wing on smoother less choppy days or lake winging might be a bit easier too?Heard it’s pretty choppy down in LV and LB in Baja,might be making more difficult to wing there.Sure your stoke and passion will get you in the water to some capacity look forward to seeing some of your drone work.Oh Bill what is that rad looking Ebike looks like a E KTM bike? Thats what I don’t understand about these new E bikes more expensive than my 13 500 EXC KTM!
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I know what you mean Paddlur, though that Luna Sur Ron is a fairly reasonable $3800, though you can spend more on upgrades. Still spendy, my KTM390 Adv was $6200.
I got to ride one of the Sur Ron bikes that was fully kitted. The guy spent about 5K on it, but it was extremely cool. 20KW motor and a little over 100 pounds. That's 26 hp, and it felt like it--like a 100cc motorcycle with, only with a LOT of low end. I leaned back to wheelie it and went over backward. We killed the battery in about 30 minutes being hooligans, but he said when he rides it normally he's getting about 50 miles of range.
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No quick fix and a damn roller coaster. If photography or the mountain bike thing take over, I’m down to join you. Also, think about sailing Lasers. Years ago, I had a friend with MS, a US Ski Team Olympian, and he absolutely loved Lasers and how it kept him in the moment. When you return to Hood River, I’ll be in touch. I want to hear more on Baja, the place looks great! Dave
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Sorry to hear. Seems like you have plenty too keep you busy though.
Pizza ovens are great for slow cooking too. Have something ready and once the pizzas or what ever are done throw it in and forget about it. I have done legs of lamb, duck confit. All sorts. Pork Pil Bil would be high on my list there!
I have a metal rack i can grill on or put pans pots etc on. The little peletts are smoking pellets.
Veggies too. Whole sweet potatoes!
Enjoy.
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Those are some cool looking bikes. My main interest is in fitness and I have been hesitant to go to an e bike because I don't want to sacrifice the leg workout. I was biking a lot to keep my legs going before winging and I am going to need that again now. Do you guys find that you can still get a strong workout on an e bike? My hope is that I can set it to overcome the weight increase but not so much that it is too passive an activity. Is that realistic or should I stick with a conventional bike with wider tires?
I would be happy to film you Zoners or share footage with you guys. That sounds great to me.
Dave, I love sailing and it is something that I would love to share with my grandkids. Before windsurfing, as a young kid, I used to beg my dad to take me sailing sunfish. I had looked into foiling moths before winging and it looks awesome to me. That may still be possible. I am going to consider all of that again.
Tarquin, That looks epic. Tell me the whole path. Are you leaving an active fire while you are doing your pizzas and then removing the fire for your slow cooking? The oven here is pretty large and I have been making the fire to one side and cooking next to it. It is really hot and fast.
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Do you guys find that you can still get a strong workout on an e bike? My hope is that I can set it to overcome the weight increase but not so much that it is too passive an activity. Is that realistic or should I stick with a conventional bike with wider tires?
We get a workout with ebikes. We just ride greater distances. Arrive with tired legs. Jacky pedals the whole trip. I sometimes stop pedaling, if my bad hip gives he trouble. I just throttle the rest of the ride. Certainly not as tired as regular biking, but still good exercise and fun because we can ride 25 miles.
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I always say that with an ebike, you get as much workout as you want. If you just want a leaserly ride, use the motor a lot, for a good workout, don't. The big thing is that an ebike is not a substitute for a bicycle, its a substitute for using your car for short trips.
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Substitute for a car is a good point. The phrase I see a lot with regard to ebikes is. Not easier, just farther and faster.
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I would break e-bikes into different categories for clarity. Push and go and Pedal assist.
Push and go's..
The bulk of the e-Bikes sold are for cruising. Beach Cruisers with fat tires get everyone to Trestles faster (and without mom having to drop the groms off and pick them up). On a weekend you could see a hundred fat tire e-bike parked on the beach at Trestles. Every kid in town has one, and they don't know how to pedal, nor do they use the pedals. Just a thumb switch throttle and zoom away. Older folks who normally wouldn't ride a bike or exercise much can now spin their legs around without much effort, be out in the fresh air and get healthier, which is awesome. These folks usually get non-fat tire cruisers.
Pedal assist..
E-Road bikes..... not a big seller. You're talking the king's of the road, and ultra fitness EGO group who hates people in their way. They even dislike anyone walking that might blow there draft and momentum. This is serious business... not to be F'd with... you idiots!
E-Gravel bikes.. I've seen a few out on the trails. Interest group.. Graveller's. It's a spin off of Road biking on the dirt. I don't quite get it, but I know people who love it. It's a Pickle Ball thing.
E-mtb... Surfer's hate Supper's in the line-up, Some mtb'ers hate e-mtb on the single tracks. It's never a going down issue, just pure jealousy when they wine past you on the assents.. and you have to move out of their way.... >:( Everyone I've met mtb'ing is nice, including the 'Pedal Assist'rs'. My wife is an avid mtb'r and she rides both kinds with different groups. She prefers the standard full-suspension mtb because she likes to climb. She's a little uncomfortable with steep single tracks. I'm just the opposite. The whole time I climb, I'm getting more excited about the down that's approaching. Mtb's have advance so much in the past 10 years, it's amazing. The longer frames with more slacked head tube angles and super advance suspension allows you to just charge down bumpy steep rutted terrain with ease and control.
The pedal assist motors are advancing every year and sense the pressure you are ally to the pedal. They can make micro adjustments within milliseconds to compensate for a weaker leg. You don't even feel it. A quick little incline that goes up 4', the motor will sense the need for power before you even realize you're in the wrong gear, and you'll just easily pedal up it. I was following a friend of mine who has an e-mtb and I saw his back tire spin climbing a steep little up hill. He said he didn't even feel it.
The down side, weight. The e-bikes are heavy. If the battery dies on you, you are pushing it like a motorcycle out of gas. 50 lbs is on the lighter side. The e-Cruisers are very heavy and cheap. The high end light weight e-mtb's are the lightest. They want to be able to fly off jumps and not feel the weight, so you pay the big bucks for all that tech.
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https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/electric-mountain-bikes/powerfly-equipped/powerfly-fs-9-equipped/p/32991/?colorCode=grey_black
These are cool.
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It would be hard to improve on the comments already posted, especially Talldudes, but I'll just chime in with my experience. For me ebikes get used:
1. more often
2. for more things
3. to go much further
4. much faster
I frequently pedal past fit people pushing their bikes or slowly cranking up grades that I'm powering up. I'm pedaling hard, but I wouldn't be pedaling at all if I didn't have help. Yup, people with standard bikes sneer, but then they spend $15K on things to make their bike easier to ride half the distance I'm willing to go on an eBike, so who cares?
I'd contend that I get a better workout because I'm more inclined to use my eBike for things I'd never consider using a standard bike for. I'm not doing century rides up Mt. Hood with a standard bike, I've done two with my eBike. I don't casually ride up to Parkdale with a standard bike, I do with my eBike. I don't take a standard bike to run errands, I do it all the time with my eBike. It goes well beyond being a substitute for a car. I've only had one MTB rider bitch at me in Post canyon, so I asked him how he got to the top. And of course, he shuttled. I didn't. He was on what I assume was a 5K+ bike. I was on my $200 fat tire Walmart Mongoose with $1500 worth of battery and motor.
the answer to your question about how you set the power is straightforward--yes, you can absolutely set the power to get the workout you want. The more sophisticated controllers are torque-sensing and you can set them to respond to the amount of power you are applying, not just the fact that you are pedaling, as speed sensing controllers do. Most newer high-end mid-motor bikes use torque sensing. One more reason to avoid hub motors.
As far as sailing goes, there are more suitable foil sailboats for your condition now, Moths require a great deal of agility. There are a lot of choices. Watching some of them sail in Mission Bay has been a revelation--they make powerboats look slow and clumsy. Not cheap, but not crazy either. the Mothquito -- https://www.mothquito.com/, Stunt S9: http://www.stunt-s9.com/, the F101 Trimaran https://www.parallel45marine.com/f101-foiling-trimaran/ , and a lot more.
I watched a guy a few weeks ago sailing the f101--pretty amazing boat. There was a guy in a ski boat chasing it and bouncing all over the place while the guy in the f101 looked like he could be eating a sandwich and taking a nap.
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This might be doable even with some physical limitations:
https://www.sailingworld.com/best-dinghy-ufo-foiler/
http://www.fulcrumspeedworks.com/UFO/
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10 years with an e-bike. Anyone that tries one realizes they are like a magic carpet ride. Giggling right from the start.
This is my 3rd of 4 eBikes but my preferred ride to the beach. In fact it is my only ride to the beach. 1,200 session since Nov 2011.
My bike has started to replicate. With a One-Wheel added to the mix.
Unlike PonoBill I splurged on a $1,000 Fat-Tire bike with a front shock. The shock cost $600 so it was a $400 bike with a shock and $1,500 of electronics.
Oh and the rack. As Jeff Clark said "you have more time that rack design than the bike is worth."
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This looks pretty sweet. Nice mix of light weight with a little bit of help if I get in a jam. Not too much of a beast when it falls on me :) . I still want to pedal without assistance a lot. At 35 lbs I should be able to burn myself out going uphill sans power for as long as I can and then spell myself with some extra juice. That sounds great. I ride most days but 1-1.5 hours tops is all I do. Getting stoked for this.
When we moved to the Gorge we had Bridgestone Steel bikes. They were a big investment for us at the time and we rode the hell out of those things. Steel, rigid forks, thumb shifters, old school cantilever brakes. These were high end at the time but they probably weighed more than this fully suspended e bike. Crazy.
We had two Santa Cruz Blurs that ewe brought back with us from Maui. Great bikes. They were carbon and both exploded into a zillion pieces when we got rear ended with them on the back of the car. Insurance replaced them for us and we got some new Boingers, Chan a Specialized, I got an Ibis which has been great. They were nicely speced at the time and we had them converted to 1X setups a few years ago. Even so, they are 26 inch and the guys at the bike shop look at us like we walked out of a time machine when we get them tuned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7BTzji72Co
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Ok, now that this turned into a thread about ebikes.
Has anyone built a trailer to tow wingboards and a few wings behind a ebike.
If so, how did it work? We have lots of beaches but a lack of beach parking here so thinking about this option
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I've built trailers to carry 17' downwind boards behind eBikes and motorcycles, but now I just use a surfboard rack. I can carry everything I need either on the bike or in a backpack. For a foilboard, I think it's the way to go. Trailers are always a bit of a hassle.
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My love affair with this wood oven is getting serious. I have a couple dozen pizzas done now. Fav so far is a goat cheese, tomato, jalepeno, onion, pineapple deal that was Scee-rumptious (although it made the Grandkids run and hide in disgust).
Naan, yes! I am going to do a lot more of those.
Did a cast iron fish yesterday. There is a dude who has a little one man fresh fish store and he gets Pierna, Jurel, and Sea Bass every day, all super nice. Onion, Garlic, herbs, olive oil, olives and some grape tomatoes. What it lacks in pretty it makes up in AWESOME. Youch!
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Nice.
The trick too pizzas is too flame up just before you put them in. Have some small bits of wood. Some wood flames up better. Try a few and see. The ovens are that domed shape for the flame to circulate over the top. I get mine up too around 380-390°C. So as you are doing build the fire then once up too temp push the coals to one side.
Then once your pizzas are done and the oven cools down you can do your slow cooking. I have a cast iron skillet, terracotta dishes and a big cast iron pot with a lid. I also have the raised grill to sit things on or grill.
When I close it up it will stay around 120-140°C all night.
There are thousands of slow cooking and smoking bbq vids to get ideas of times temps etc.
As you are finding out they are awsome. I bought mine just for pizza but use it more for slow cooking now.
Also great for the kids. We just put a big table out with everything on it and the kids make there own pizzas. Lots of fine semoule instead of flour so the dough dosnt stick. Again there are tons of vids.
Elbow length fireproof gloves are a must. As well as some very long utensils.
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Coincidentally I've been making a lot of flatbreads and Pizza lately, though just in the standard oven I have in this rental house in La Jolla. I started with making Pita to go with Tagines I was making, but then I realize the only thing I needed to add to make a good Pizza dough was some olive oil, and I can do that even after the dough has been mixed. so I make a HUGE quantity of dough, use some, refrigerate some in bags, and freeze some. I thaw the frozen stuff in the fridge and take the refrigerated dough to room temperature before use. works perfectly.
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Holy shit! My Octopus Teacher guy had a second mid life crisis and is on to making wood fired videos.
I am doing those taters, though (but with 1/10th that oil and a boatload of black pepper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djoub57k9Vk
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I have a perfect piece of raw material to make a wood-fired pizza oven from--the end bell of the 250-gallon propane tank that I made my smoke from. A little zip/zap with the plasma cutter and I'll have the dome. I think I even have enough Rockwool left over to insulate it. I think it will be mega-cool to do an aluminum shroud shaped like the end cap of a 50's airstream.
OK gotta do it. Another stupid project. You guys are a bunch of ADD enablers.
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I bought one and it is basically that. A metal shell with insulation. You need to get the special bricks for the bottom though.
I wanted to build a traditional one but some people in the know talked me out of it. The traditonal ones take ages to heat up and you have to be careful not to crack them. If its been raining and you heat one up too quickly they can crack.
The bottom of mine is a metal frame with insulation then the bricks. A double layer metal shell with insulation. There is also a deflector inside that gets the flame circulating.
Like I said mine will stay hot all night.
At the end of that vid he should have pulled out a big cast iron pot. " Now here is a big pork belly I have marinated over night. I am going to sear it on my fancy Tuscan grill then chuck it in the pot with a load of marinade and the lid on. I am going to stuff myself with steak and potatoes and a few bottles of red. Have a nap and wake up thinking bloody hell that was good. Then remember there is pork belly in the oven for dinner. Good bye."
When you do those potatoes smash a few cloves of garlic and put them in the oil. Skin and all just smash the cloves with your hand and chuck them in. I also chop the top of a whole bulb and pour olive oil and balsamic on it then roast it.
Weber briquettes are great too get things going. The thing you put them in to heat them up quickly too. Throw them in once they are red hot and some wood too flame up. I am up and cooking in under an hour.
I think the airsteam look pizza oven is a great idea. I bet you could sell a few of those!
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One thing I am liking about this (maybe because this oven is large) is that it can be raging hot edged up to the active fire/coals (one minute, fast rotate pizza hot) hot where the fire and spread coals were, and normal oven hot out by the opening.
I stocked up for a Naan fest this week. Youtube says a bit of yogurt and more sugar in the dough is the key. OK. Potato Onion Naan may offset my lame ass bike riding but...its happening.
Olivia loves making dough with me and creating designer pies. Carson won't eat anything that he has seen being prepared or cooking and would prefer that all food came in geometric shapes (preferably in superhero packaging). Nothing else can really be trusted.
As for video guy, I can assure you that around here meat has never been put back on the bone. Resting the meat may be a sound practice but we only rest the meat long enough to do 20 seconds of the "shhhhhh, the meat is resting" creep around....and then its gone, daddy gone.
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My shop used to be a marble and granite cutting operation that went BK in the credit crunch. I have at least 40 pallets stacked with large marble and granite offcuts. I won't have any trouble building a granite base. Or 500 granite bases--maybe a thousand. Firebricks would be good addition but I'll probably just use what I have, make it five inches thick, rest the oven on it and max it out to see how much rock blows up.
I used to have a literal mountain of trim pieces my wife wouldn't let me ditch (she wanted to "make" things from them. I envisioned marble birdhouses)--until I pointed out there were rats and yellowjackets living in the mountain. Then boom--gone.
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The instructions said 900 degrees for naan. 900 degrees sounded pretty hot, so this time I went for inferno mode. Crikey, this thing was going. 15 to 20 seconds a side - done. We cheated and pre did the potatoes and caramelized the onions on the stovetop. Chan finished the naan by painting them with melted Ghee and garlic. Used the outdoor grill for the chicken dish. They left us with a full rack of super nice Indian spices so we were good to go there. I forgot about the in-belly expansion phenomena and overdid it - by a lot. There is simply no way to moderate with Indian food.
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Awsome! Thats when its good to have a stew or slow cook meat. Once you have built up a fire like that it will stay hot for hours.
Going to cook lunch on mine soon. Got to love a woman that wants steak and potatoes for Valentines day.
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Heat the Weber briquettes up. Throw them in with some wood. That gets up to 300°C pretty quick. Trays of veggies in and the steak is sitting ready to go.
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Mine came with a divider. You can push the coals to one side. As you said the great thing is you can use the oven in different ways. I started the veggies in the oven but 15-20 mins in the pizza oven gives them a great flavour.
Steak, pumpkin,sweet potato, potatoes, stuffed mushrooms, garlic! Loads of leftovers for dinner or lunch tomorrow.
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Last pic.
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That looks fantastic!
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It's the CookZone. I've been cooking up a storm here, but that's not because I've got a great toy to use, just COVID and no restaurants. I guess I could go, but I'd be by myself and be confined to- and sleeping in the far corner of the house for 14 days. the lady be strict.
I am looking forward to whipping up a Pizza oven and firing up my megasmoker. I don't know exactly what I should do with a smoker that can do 30 briskets at a time, but I'll think of something.
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The wave right out front was looking super fun today. Chan got some great SUP rides before the wind kicked up. Shortboards were doing well inside. Pretty cool as we had previously always stayed up in El Sargento and I had never considered this place for any waves. It is actually reasonably consistent. Bonus!
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Nice wave, a little offshore breeze to clean it up. Have you seen Sam Pae's boogie foilboard. He screwed up his ankles (I think, he's been a bit obscure about the issue) and can't do SUP foil anymore. He's fallen in love with foiling like superman. The way my balance and knees are going, I might have a few of these in my future.
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He also did this with a salvaged busted wavestorm:
https://www.facebook.com/1203581688/videos/pcb.10221948406478290/10221948405758272