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Title: Apple Silicon
Post by: Admin on November 21, 2020, 02:01:57 AM
Apologies in advance for another geek thread, but wow.  What an interesting time for computing.  These new M1 chips are so sweet and this is just for the base level consumer units.  5 nanometer process.  Science fiction stuff.  SOC fully realized.  Thanks mobile devices!  Onboard integrated memory, integrated graphics at a much higher level, 16 core neural engine on board.  Pretty crazy what they have achieved right out.  You have to wonder what they have coming for their big boy chips.  Really remarkable.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: gone_foiling on November 21, 2020, 07:00:18 AM
Truly impressive! Intel is so f...d!
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: PonoBill on November 21, 2020, 07:53:24 AM
Extraordinary. I almost hit the buy button, but they'd be delivering mine to La Quinta while we're in Solana Beach.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: burchas on November 21, 2020, 09:57:57 AM
Extraordinary. I almost hit the buy button, but they'd be delivering mine to La Quinta while we're in Solana Beach.

I’m waiting a bit longer. The internal architecture of all these machines has carried over from their Intel based predecessors which reads to me half baked.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Admin on November 21, 2020, 11:02:28 AM
Pretty crazy on the Air that with all of these enhancements that they have been able to remove the fan and still get great benchmarks and reviews.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 21, 2020, 11:05:22 AM
https://youtu.be/HxH3RabNWfE?t=626
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: TallDude on November 21, 2020, 11:31:06 AM
My son says none of the gaming companies for games like FN and such are creating Mac versions. Our up and coming techie / gamers say so what to M1 :)
I be buying my wife one soon. 
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Admin on November 21, 2020, 11:40:41 AM
My son says none of the gaming companies for games like FN and such are creating Mac versions. Our up and coming techie / gamers say so what to M1 :)
I be buying my wife one soon.

Windows dual boot has to happen.  I still need it.  I imagine it will at some point.  https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/20/craig-federighi-on-windows-for-m1-macs/
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Admin on November 21, 2020, 11:45:27 AM
https://youtu.be/HxH3RabNWfE?t=626

That is nuts. 
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: PonoBill on November 21, 2020, 03:21:34 PM
yup. 699 for a supercomputer with machine learning and AI built in. The future is here, it's just unevenly distributed.

Gamers just want a chair with a portapotty built in and a big box with flashy lights.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: surfcowboy on November 21, 2020, 03:44:30 PM
They are awesome but wait for the second one. I made my living working on a
Macs for over a decade. Just bought a new i7 the day after these came out. When I need a new mini they will be dialed. Y'all can beta test.  :D

But they are great machines and I assume they learned from the PPC days. Ha!
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: TallDude on November 21, 2020, 03:46:11 PM
You're right Pono. Add to that getting food delivered right to his gaming desk..
This is what my son got for his 18th birthday. It cost $699. ironically.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3080/
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: gone_foiling on November 21, 2020, 04:01:42 PM
Where do you all get $699 price?
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: TallDude on November 21, 2020, 04:15:50 PM
Here's a good video on the spec's
https://youtu.be/tbFixmOdBy0
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: PonoBill on November 21, 2020, 04:17:37 PM
Everywhere. Google Apple Mac Mini Desktop Computer, M1 Chip with 8-Core CPU and 8-Core GPU, 8GB Memory, 256GB SSD, Gigabit Ethernet--699.

Of course, that isn't what I'd buy, and I think the next Mac Mini release will have a lot more stuff for a few hundred more. I'd want a 1TB SDD, 32GB memory, and at least 4 high speed ports of whatever flavor they decide on, so yeah, probably 1600, but I'd paid five figures with more valuable money for a lot less.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: PonoBill on November 21, 2020, 04:24:12 PM
Quote from: surfcowboy link=topic=36760.msg423376#msg423376 date=1606002270
But they are great machines and I assume they learned from the PPC days. Ha!
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Everyone seems to have forgotten the power PC.

Given the depreciation of mac stuff, you could buy the current Mac Mini, play with it for six months before the better toys come out, and sell it for 200 less than you paid for it. Or do what I do and stick it in a drawer and forget it until it's a collectible (or you finally through it away). I have an Osborne 1 that's probably worth more than I paid for it. But 40 years is a long time to wait to get your money back and $2000 in 1981 is worth $6,320 today, so I'm probably not getting that for a beige doorstop.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: gone_foiling on November 21, 2020, 04:29:17 PM
Everywhere. Google Apple Mac Mini Desktop Computer, M1 Chip with 8-Core CPU and 8-Core GPU, 8GB Memory, 256GB SSD, Gigabit Ethernet--699.

Of course, that isn't what I'd buy, and I think the next Mac Mini release will have a lot more stuff for a few hundred more. I'd want a 1TB SDD, 32GB memory, and at least 4 high speed ports of whatever flavor they decide on, so yeah, probably 1600, but I'd paid five figures with more valuable money for a lot less.

ah ok, Mac mini, I was thinking of laptop - I guess I want one 😂, thanks Bill.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 21, 2020, 06:17:53 PM
Where do you all get $699 price?

https://www.apple.com/mac-mini/
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: burchas on November 21, 2020, 07:53:23 PM
...When I need a new mini they will be dialed...

And hopefully will let you run the new shiny $799 BlackMagic eGPU (or any eGPU for that matter) bought to supplement Davinci Resolve 17 and Rhino 3D because right now you'd be F**ked.

My guess would be No though, by then they'll replace the current beefed up mobile class GPU included with their new Desktop class GPU. At least for the marked up models.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: LaPerouseBay on November 21, 2020, 09:35:50 PM
...When I need a new mini they will be dialed...

And hopefully will let you run the new shiny $799 BlackMagic eGPU (or any eGPU for that matter) bought to supplement Davinci Resolve 17 and Rhino 3D because right now you'd be F**ked.


Hmm, Am I mistaken in assuming that BM has a specific version of Davinci 17 for the M1?  Therefore - Davinci 17 should run fine on the new Mini?  I think that's what this guy is saying, but I'm no expert...   

https://youtu.be/p2B8uksMFRU?t=84
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Admin on November 22, 2020, 12:26:14 AM
...When I need a new mini they will be dialed...

And hopefully will let you run the new shiny $799 BlackMagic eGPU (or any eGPU for that matter) bought to supplement Davinci Resolve 17 and Rhino 3D because right now you'd be F**ked.


Hmm, Am I mistaken in assuming that BM has a specific version of Davinci 17 for the M1?  Therefore - Davinci 17 should run fine on the new Mini?  I think that's what this guy is saying, but I'm no expert...   

https://youtu.be/p2B8uksMFRU?t=84

Davinci should run fine but they are not currently supporting external GPU's.  Astounding that they are sharing the 8 GB of memory between graphics and CPU with no offboard memory and getting the results that you posted.  Davinci isn't that taxing on the CPU (mostly just compression/decompression) but it really pushes the GPU for everything else.  A lot of really robust systems with big memory video cards won't play back those RED 6K and 8K files well without proxies, etc.  It is going to be wild to see what they design for the Macbook pros that have always had discrete graphics and (my interest) the iMac's which had become super powerful machines even before these new chips.  For that matter they are planning a new (half sized) Mac pro.  What does that look like with these considerations? 

And what about the addition of that neural engine?  Brand new on macs. 

Blazing-Fast, On-Device Machine Learning

The M1 chip brings the Apple Neural Engine to the Mac, greatly accelerating machine learning (ML) tasks. Featuring Apple’s most advanced 16-core architecture capable of 11 trillion operations per second, the Neural Engine in M1 enables up to 15x faster machine learning performance. In fact, the entire M1 chip is designed to excel at machine learning, with ML accelerators in the CPU and a powerful GPU, so tasks like video analysis, voice recognition, and image processing will have a level of performance never seen before on the Mac.

Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Admin on November 22, 2020, 01:48:42 AM
Holy shit.  It really does look like they have achieved something exceptional.  He isn't even testing the model with 16 GB of memory!  8 GB of shared memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMzT3bajoPs
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: burchas on November 22, 2020, 05:27:08 AM
...It is going to be wild to see what they design for the Macbook pros that have always had discrete graphics and (my interest) the iMac's which had become super powerful machines even before these new chips.  For that matter they are planning a new (half sized) Mac pro.  What does that look like with these considerations? 

If you're a happy as clam now, you'll be squeaking like the Pillsbury Doughboy when you see the desktop class systems. Super smart people at Apple, they'll have all the fanboys paying to test the new drug for them and have them come back and pay a lot more when it's fully baked.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Admin on November 22, 2020, 08:49:54 AM
or...people buy them, are blown away...and come right back when they are ready again.  That has been my Apple experience.  They sell hard but deliver harder.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: burchas on November 22, 2020, 09:35:50 AM
or...people buy them, are blown away...and come right back when they are ready again.  That has been my Apple experience.  They sell hard but deliver harder.

Call it how you want but they'll separate people from their money one way or the other in a very fast cycles. Much of it because of the fanfare and hype that very often leave people searching for answers once the noise is gone and all they're left with is a super fast machine that half of their eco-system isn't compatible with. That has been my Apple experience for many years, not as a user. As a service provider I made a lot money because of it.
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Wetstuff on November 22, 2020, 09:58:38 AM
Ya, Boss... I have been a fanboy even thru the difficult years.  It is my second/third, but I still have a Mac Classic II, beige breadbox ...also, a Bondi Blue gumball that has an old accounting program on it.  I found it better to keep a specific computer for specific jobs.  We run an iPad and an old laptop off satellite at home and I have three active Macs here.  My only PC exposure is a Samsun laptop used exclusively to dnld Netflicks, etc. using a 'not available for Mac' program—Audials—that does great screen captures of movies, etc.  ...even the captions, if needed.

Not to discount Burchas' expirence, but the only computer here that needed the help of an expert was the Samsung.  Perhaps, it is because—like with many things—I operate in the lower bands of utility.  Similarly all my cars typically have obtained high mileage w/o major issues but have never seen more than 3,000rpm.

Jim

Jim 
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: tarquin on November 22, 2020, 10:09:34 AM
How many times have apple been found guilty of slowing down phones!
 They dont seem to do it with there computers though?
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: Admin on November 22, 2020, 10:22:31 AM
or...people buy them, are blown away...and come right back when they are ready again.  That has been my Apple experience.  They sell hard but deliver harder.

Call it how you want but they'll separate people from their money one way or the other in a very fast cycles. Much of it because of the fanfare and hype that very often leave people searching for answers once the noise is gone and all they're left with is a super fast machine that half of their eco-system isn't compatible with. That has been my Apple experience for many years, not as a user. As a service provider I made a lot money because of it.

Fair enough.  We usually keep our desktops ~4 years and then move the older ones to update warehouse computers.  We have iMac's that are ready but we'll wait for the new M chips.  iPhone's, we finally upgrade from 6's.  Just replaced ipads as well (maybe 5 years ?).  Old ones to the grandkids.  Chan got a watch and she is loving it. 
Title: Re: Apple Silicon
Post by: burchas on November 22, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
or...people buy them, are blown away...and come right back when they are ready again.  That has been my Apple experience.  They sell hard but deliver harder.

Call it how you want but they'll separate people from their money one way or the other in a very fast cycles. Much of it because of the fanfare and hype that very often leave people searching for answers once the noise is gone and all they're left with is a super fast machine that half of their eco-system isn't compatible with. That has been my Apple experience for many years, not as a user. As a service provider I made a lot money because of it.

Fair enough.  We usually keep our desktops ~4 years and then move the older ones to update warehouse computers.  We have iMac's that are ready but we'll wait for the new M chips.  iPhone's, we finally upgrade from 6's.  Just replaced ipads as well (maybe 5 years ?).  Old ones to the grandkids.  Chan got a watch and she is loving it.

Sound like a very responsible strategy of a well informed user.

I'm more excited by the implications of this new tech going forward and what it means for the unified macOS/iPadOS/iPhoneOS experience. Developers who for years worked around the constraints of the mobile OS and managed to create simple and streamlined workflows for very sophisticated software will now be able to provide their offering across the entire eco-system
and use the years of experience developing economically for the "limited" mobile platform to really offer significant performance boost on these new machines and a more responsive development cycles.
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