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Title: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: TallDude on September 24, 2020, 08:49:19 PM
So it was a great session this evening. It was dark walking back to my car. Problem.. not enough light to see the combination on my lockbox. So I ask some kid if he could shine his phone light on my combi-lock. So he's shining the light his light but I still couldn't read the numbers without my glasses. So I told him the combo and he opened it for this old man. :-\
Next time I'll leave a pair of glasses and a flashlight on my tire......OMG!
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: clay on September 24, 2020, 09:09:17 PM
Oh wow, I'm glad you found some help.

Several times I've forgotten about needing light after sunset sessions and come back to my van in a near panic.

One time I hijacked a Jump bike (one of those rent by the minute electric bikes), i dragged it over to the van while it's chirping at me to put it back where I found it.  I used the light on the front of the bike to open my combo (pushing the buttons on the bike would turn on the headlight). Lol.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 24, 2020, 10:11:38 PM
Hahahaha!!! I'm not laughing at you TD, but rather with you. Because the same thing happened to me Doho in the lot about 5 years ago...but there was only a couple of cars left on the very north side of the lot with no one at them, and I was parked way at the south end. :o

So after about 15 minutes of trying to squint my way to somehow think I'd suddenly see the numbers...I catch a young couple walking out the their car, and start yelling, waving, and hustling towards them - in nothing but board shorts - which only causes them to walk faster to their car as they see half naked mad man running at them. Fortunately they only jumped in their car, started it, but didn't speed off, and I was able to explain my predicament through the ever so slightly opened driver's window.

They never did open their window more than a crack, drove 30' behind me as I walked back to my truck, and then were nice enough to shine their headlights on the lock hanging on my receiver, and then drove off immediately as soon as they saw I had it open...so fast in fact that I didn't even get the opportunity to say "Thank you".

Moral of the story: Never be the last person out of the water, on the beach, or one of the last 3 vehicles in the lot. ;D
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: The Kernel on September 25, 2020, 01:16:35 AM
Yup...Got the t-shirt on this one...

Usually when going out in late afternoon/early evening, I try to remember to remove the Photon I Micro-Light from my keychain and leave it on my car rooftop so I can use it later to read the numbers on the lockbox.  Unfortunately, too often I either forget to do that, or I don't need to use the light, then forget to put it back on my keyring, only to have that little light blow off the car roof at some point on the ride home...then gotta buy another new light, which I OF COURSE usually forget to do. 

About a week ago at Doheny I found myself in the nighttime keybox fumble again--my light having been lost to the rooftop recently.  I HAD anticipated this and had left my lighter on the roof, but of course it decided to sputter out its last gasp just when I needed it.  It took about 20 minutes of shivering and squinting at shadows to get the lockbox open because no one was around to help. 

There's gotta be a product idea out there--something that operates by a Braille-like system or by directional movement?  (Just found this one for a potential stocking stuffer:  https://www.amazon.com/KeyGuard-SL-501-Capacity-Storage-Shackle/dp/B00JRWCQLS/ref=pd_sbs_263_2/137-7464083-5018456?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00JRWCQLS&pd_rd_r=7a1bb6f9-c5c2-4e0a-bb4d-bec6204acf0e&pd_rd_w=GOE6u&pd_rd_wg=QkZhn&pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab&pf_rd_r=CYN6ZPHBKYJSN2Q3MB63&psc=1&refRID=CYN6ZPHBKYJSN2Q3MB63)

Maybe the simpler solution is to get an extra keychain light or small flashlight and then hot glue a magnet onto it so it can be left leave magnetically attached in an accessible spot under the car?
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: supthecreek on September 25, 2020, 04:22:15 AM
TD,
Nothing shatters the apre' surf stoke like being stranded in the dark, wet and hungry!
hopefully the kid quickly forgot the combo  ;)

I finally started using the key loop in my baggies, to permanently attach an "open only" key.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: ninja tuna on September 25, 2020, 04:22:33 AM
Funny stories.  Why don't you guys just get magnetic flashlights that you can leave on your vehicles.  Lots of choices for those.  Then you don't have to worry about remembering to take lights in or out of your vehicles.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: Wetstuff on September 25, 2020, 05:50:38 AM
Ya, like Creek...  ' gotta keep a Deadman in your baggies ..besides the other one.

Jim
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: supsean on September 25, 2020, 05:54:19 AM
Gave up on combo boxes early on, as even in sunlight, I have trouble reading it. I have an open only key that I used to keep on a lanyard around my neck. But of course one time it came off in the white water, even though I had on a rash guard. Since then, my leashlok waist leash has a really nice velcro pocket that keeps my key safe. The only problem is that I end up wearing the kook-belt even when the waves are small because of it. But I'm already on a SUP so who's counting.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: PonoBill on September 25, 2020, 07:39:30 AM
Yes, getting old has a lot of complications. I suspect it might get worse, not better.

My truck in HR has an external combination lock that lights up when you press the buttons. But in Maui I wear a open-only key around my neck on a piece of kite line that's just long enough to get on and off with a little finesse. The magic is in making the loop tight enough that there's no way it can come off by accident. I put it on first thing when I get up and take it off only to go to bed.

And of course, there's a hidden key as backup. Assuming I can remember where I put it.

Or you could do as I have done a few too many times--get excitied about conditions and forget to lock up--or even to close the doors. I left my Xterra with both front doors and the rear hatch open in Maliko Gulch while Boyum and I were doing a downwinder. It looked so weird that Frank Forbes took a picture of it and closed the doors. Having a seriously skanky vehicle is a big security benefit sometimes.

The new iwatch has a capability of connecting to nearby RF devices so I expect to see some lock apps for walk-up opening a car (or your home). Probably any car that has a remote lock can be controlled, the only question is how many manufacturers will jump in and how far back they'll go. Remote locks have security protocols and hacking them is an issue.

I installed a walk-up lock at our Hood River home and it was such a pain in the ass that I moved it to a rarely used door to serve as an option when if forget my keys. The conflict between security and convenience is always present.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: sflinux on September 25, 2020, 07:51:35 AM
Hi TallDude,
Time for an upgrade.  Lowes sells the new MasterLock Portable Lock Box with Light-UP Dials (Item#804058).
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Master-Lock-2-7-8-in-72-mm-Wide-Set-Your-Own-Combination-Light-Up-Dial-Portable-Lock-Box/1002648330 (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Master-Lock-2-7-8-in-72-mm-Wide-Set-Your-Own-Combination-Light-Up-Dial-Portable-Lock-Box/1002648330)
I still have the old lock box and would store the free magnetic light under my bumper from harbor freight, but it has since fallen off my car.
https://www.harborfreight.com/ultra-bright-led-portable-worklightflashlight-63878.html (https://www.harborfreight.com/ultra-bright-led-portable-worklightflashlight-63878.html)
I try to park under street lights, else wait for the light of passing headlights of cars.  I noticed that as the lock box ages (corrosion of paint), the numbers get harder to read.  I like lock boxes as they keep my locks from getting gummed up.  We have a lot of local thieves that watch surfers store keys out of sight on their car.  When I am in a hurry, I sometimes leave it hanging under my bumper unlocked while driving home. :-[
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: liv2surf on September 25, 2020, 08:11:38 AM
I had gotten away with getting my electronic key quite wet a couple of times. Several times through the washer, no problem. I may have even kited or SUP paddled (not waves) with it without problem (can't remember for sure). Not long ago I parked to surf in an exposed and unfamiliar spot, I was uncomfortable leaving the key in my car so I took it out with me SUP surfing. I came back and it was worthless starting my car. I had to call my wife to drive the 45 min to this spot. Key is working again .... but lesson learned. The e-key FOB will not hold up to prolonged submersion and water forces from surfing. I think the water cause the battery to run down.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: PonoBill on September 25, 2020, 08:22:30 AM
It's worthwhile to take a very close look at your electronic key fob to see if it contains a open-only key. What I thought was just a metal tab for connecting a keychain on my minivan in Maui (yes, the skanky Xterra got replaced) turned out to actually be an open-only key. I wouldn't have known but I decided to take a look at the owner's manual--an unusual step for me, but I wanted to see how to remove the second-row seating. Not only did I discover the second row of seats can disappear into the floor (they'll probably never see the light of day again) but I also found instructions for removing the open-only key. Two happy surprises, maybe this "read the manual" thing has promise.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: TallDude on September 25, 2020, 08:46:23 AM
For as long as I can remember I've always had my key on me in my board shorts or wetsuit. This lock box thing started with the cheap RipCurl dawnpatrol fullsuit I bought a few years ago. I has no pocket. I've looked all over it, none. That's why I bought the lockbox. The key on my Honda Element doesn't appear to have any electronics in it. I've never had a problem with it in the water. I'm going to check out the lockbox sflinux suggested. Next time I need a wetsuit I'll spend the extra $$ and get one with pocket.   
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: PonoBill on September 25, 2020, 08:49:07 AM
For as long as I can remember I've always had my key on me in my board shorts or wetsuit. This lock box thing started with the cheap RipCurl dawnpatrol fullsuit I bought a few years ago. I has no pocket. I've looked all over it, none. That's why I bought the lockbox. The key on my Honda Element doesn't appear to have any electronics in it. I've never had a problem with it in the water. I'm going to check out the lockbox sflinux suggested. Next time I need a wetsuit I'll spend the extra $$ and get one with pocket.

Don't forget that your leash has a key pocket in the cuff. I've never seen one that doesn't.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: Bulky on September 25, 2020, 10:43:48 AM
While I always take a key somewhere on my person (pocket, leash, neck), I've had a trusty backup zip-tied underneath my car for years.  I discovered recently that this is only a reliable  system if the zip-tied key is actually the one for your car.  Talk about feeling the highs of wisdom and complete stupidity in rapid succession....
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: PabstSUP on September 25, 2020, 01:16:01 PM
All this makes me happy that my home break is a spot where you don't have to lock your car... 
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: justsomeguy on September 25, 2020, 01:19:25 PM
Have always just used the loop in the pocket of my trunks ... haven't lost a key yet.

Did give some thought to using a lockbox, but figured any low-life with the will (and a hammer) could probably bash the thing open anyways.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 25, 2020, 02:09:34 PM
I'm going to check out the lockbox sflinux suggested.
After my lockout I went investigating for something that had to be better, and found the lockbox sflinux linked to, and it's worked great since. Just have to make sure to remember to check it in the dark every so often to make sure the battery and light are still good...because even when brand new, the light is so dim that during the day you can't tell that it's even illuminated at all.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 25, 2020, 02:14:19 PM
Have always just used the loop in the pocket of my trunks ... haven't lost a key yet.

Did give some thought to using a lockbox, but figured any low-life with the will (and a hammer) could probably bash the thing open anyways.
If s/he has a hammer...windows are way easier, a lot faster, and probably won't draw as much attention with one pop vs. pounding on a metal box several times or more. Not to mention costlier if s/he's gonna get in anyway, but now I've got a window to replace on top of everything else.  >:(
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: clay on September 25, 2020, 04:36:07 PM
Hi TallDude,
Time for an upgrade.  Lowes sells the new MasterLock Portable Lock Box with Light-UP Dials (Item#804058).
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Master-Lock-2-7-8-in-72-mm-Wide-Set-Your-Own-Combination-Light-Up-Dial-Portable-Lock-Box/1002648330 (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Master-Lock-2-7-8-in-72-mm-Wide-Set-Your-Own-Combination-Light-Up-Dial-Portable-Lock-Box/1002648330)

How does this light up lock box do with saltwater fingers on the dials?

My non-light up lockbox started "rusting" right away and need to keep greasing the dials to keep them from seizing. 

I looked into key options for Sprinters and as far as I know there is no open only key, opening the door with a non chipped key does something "bad", I don't recall at the moment but it sounded like a pain to reset.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: surfercook on September 25, 2020, 06:27:44 PM
lol...at least you didn't need a ride back to the house for the keys!  ;)
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: PonoBill on September 25, 2020, 07:18:53 PM
Being a total geek with a new toy, I started researching the U1 chip that Apple put into the iWatch 6. The iPhone 11 has had a U1 chip fo about a year, but doesn't do all that much with it. U1 is an ultra-wideband positioning tech that lets other U1 equipped devices locate you within a few centimeters and take action prompted by encrypted messages passed very rapidly between devices. UWB devices not only know who is sending a message, they also know where the message comes from. So it's a lot easier to do secured actions like unlocking a car. You walk up with your phone in your pocket and your watch on your wrist and the car knows it's you.

There are a lot of applications for this tech, and it's going to be a land-grab race to see who gets the most useful applications and services with it. Some of the stuff can also be done with Bluetooth Low Energy, but UWB is several orders of magnitude more precise.

Some of the shit you may not like. Walk up to a cereal box in a grocery store and your watch might offer you a discount coupon for exactly the box you're looking at. Handy, yes, creepy, yes.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: Quickbeam on September 25, 2020, 10:56:37 PM
my leashlok waist leash has a really nice velcro pocket that keeps my key safe.

Thank you for this. I have the leashlok waist leash and had no idea it had a pocket. Had to go and check, and sure enough, there it was. Very cool. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: TallDude on September 26, 2020, 08:18:58 AM
lol...at least you didn't need a ride back to the house for the keys!  ;)
And to thank you for that Mark, I gave you a cup of day old coffee. What a friend.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: surfercook on September 27, 2020, 12:45:51 PM
lol...at least you didn't need a ride back to the house for the keys!  ;)
And to thank you for that Mark, I gave you a cup of day old coffee. What a friend.
Lmao! You seem like an asset in the friends dept.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: TallDude on September 27, 2020, 01:42:06 PM
A fresh cup next time your out, will make it official:)
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: SUP Leave on September 28, 2020, 11:00:30 AM
This is so relatable. I have a tundra with an open only key and have two wired up under the chassis in different locations. Plus one stays in the loop of my wetsuit.
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I have locked in plenty of keys and done many other brain dead things but ever since one day when I was 26 I have always fitted my vehicles with multiple keys and keys in alternate locations (at the office and leave a set with my sister).

It was a late October afternoon, I was having a wonderful afternoon fishing for coho salmon on a pretty remote river. I had a 4 fish limit of beautiful fish and the temperature had dropped below freezing as dusk fell on the river. I had walked a mile from my truck to where I was having good luck. The location was a logging road and when I parked I was with 9 rigs and in the morning there would likely be at least 10 rigs, but after dark I was the only one there. I had a Chevy Truck (96 S-10) at the time.

The place I parked had a waist deep side channel that you have to cross with some substantial current. During my afternoon of fishing the river rose about 6". When I got to the crossing it was dark and I was navigating by headlight, plus I had 4 salmon on a rope, and I accidentally entered the river in a location that was slightly downstream of where I should have. 3/4 the way across where it started to get deep - the fresh current swept me off my feet.

It could have been a pretty dangerous situation, I was wearing chest waders and below me was 10' deep snaggy water, but I was able to lunge out and swim a few hard strokes and grab on a log on the side I was headed to. The fish rope was tied to me and  the fish were swept into some debris below the log, and were dragging me back and downstream I had to reach down and around the log to pull the fish out. During that operation my headlight fell off, and was swept downstream.

So was able to roll out onto the log and get out of the water. My waders were already freezing with ice by the time I got to my rig and I realized that my keys were not in my fishing vest. They had fallen out along during my swim(I thought). No matter I had a key wired under the truck, but my light was shining bright in the river. So I laid down and started feeling around up under the chassis. I could not find the key. After what felt like 10 minutes (probably less) my fingers were so numb that I could not feel anything. My hands were just lumps at the end of my arms. Teeth chattering, soaked from head to foot I realized things were getting pretty serious.

First I thought maybe I had wired the key up on the other side of the truck so I tried that for a bit. No luck I just barked my hands up more. They were bleeding but I couldn't feel a thing. The choices were a 3 mile walk in the dark to a main road to hopefully get a ride somewhere or break a window out, because there was a flashlight in the glove box. I chose the window breaking, so I hunted around for a rock and had a helluva time breaking out one of the back window panels. My hands were so cold and bloody that everything I grabbed was slick with blood, so I had to keep wiping down with my bait towel, but actually I was able to blow the back window latch apart and got in without breaking a window. I don't know how long the whole thing took, but I got a little freaked out because of how cold I was.

My stupidity paid off in that I had actually left my keys in the car on the seat so I was able to get heated up pretty fast. Turns out the key under my chassis had fallen off. I used a zip tie, but must have had brush up under there knock it off or maybe it froze and broke. So now I do duplicates with twisted wire holding them in  (one near a front tire, one near a back tire) and I do a few dry runs of finding them with my eyes closed. It is also nice to have 2 keys in case you park over a puddle or on a busy road. I also hide a starting key inside every vehicle, because now the opening keys don't start the car.

TLDR - non surf related story about why I wire up two opening only keys under my rigs.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: rw2 on October 08, 2020, 06:34:01 AM
I apply the KISS rule to lockboxes and never understand why people scramble every digit of their lockbox code after they lock up (presuming here you are not using the kind where you punch the code in).

Drives me nuts at a few of my properties where I use lockboxes.

Just swipe one digit and you're good. Additionally, it's great for when it's cold out and your fingers are numb.

The fact is that if someone is going to spend time guessing your code, they'll probably just break the window instead.


Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: TallDude on October 08, 2020, 10:18:56 AM
I apply the KISS rule to lockboxes and never understand why people scramble every digit of their lockbox code after they lock up (presuming here you are not using the kind where you punch the code in).

Drives me nuts at a few of my properties where I use lockboxes.

Just swipe one digit and you're good. Additionally, it's great for when it's cold out and your fingers are numb.

The fact is that if someone is going to spend time guessing your code, they'll probably just break the window instead.
Sorry, but that makes way to much sense to be posted here.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: oceanAddict on October 13, 2020, 07:01:10 AM
Have always just used the loop in the pocket of my trunks ... haven't lost a key yet.

Did give some thought to using a lockbox, but figured any low-life with the will (and a hammer) could probably bash the thing open anyways.
If s/he has a hammer...windows are way easier, a lot faster, and probably won't draw as much attention with one pop vs. pounding on a metal box several times or more. Not to mention costlier if s/he's gonna get in anyway, but now I've got a window to replace on top of everything else.  >:(

 Not all windows are equal  8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdvwHg6nOQc&t=14s&ab_channel=JakubHerrmann
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: PonoBill on October 13, 2020, 09:41:32 AM
Good thing it wasn't transparent aluminum.

https://youtu.be/RnUszxx2pYc
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: clay on November 08, 2020, 03:50:24 PM
Unsure if needed to read this or better off not knowing and playing the odds:
https://www.theinertia.com/surf/car-thieves-are-stealing-surfers-vehicles-in-san-francisco-by-exploiting-key-hiding-devices/?fbclid=IwAR3WsAPm1ymXskVBHUskej9d0wITRaUCCH2ZrRkvs85OYOWtdTqQJ-E-rRk 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LvDHobpNc
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: TallDude on November 08, 2020, 05:39:50 PM
Thanks' Clay. Good article. I did find a little key pouch sewn into the seam near my shoulder blade on my Rip Curl 'dawn patrol' fullsuit. For the most part, I'm not using the lock box anymore. Pretty safe at SanO with everyone hanging around the cars all the time.
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: sflinux on November 09, 2020, 02:50:34 PM
Clay, thank you for sharing, very helpful. 
I talked with a local locksmith and he said it will be ~$38 to copy my Honda key into one that doesn't have the chip (for door entry only, but is safe for salt water).  He said I just need to get the key code from the Honda dealer.
I am going to try this product from Amazon (silicone sack):
https://www.amazon.com/KGUARD-Waterproof-Windsurfing-Bodyboarding-Kitesurfing/dp/B087H3LSFG/ (https://www.amazon.com/KGUARD-Waterproof-Windsurfing-Bodyboarding-Kitesurfing/dp/B087H3LSFG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=kguard&qid=1604961971&sr=8-1)
Today I will try a wide mouth 125 mL HDPE bottle with a lanyard, stuffed inside my wetsuit. :-\
Title: Re: Fun glass off surf till dark...Then can't get into my car! sad...
Post by: sflinux on November 11, 2020, 07:48:00 AM
Update: Honda dealer was able to make me a "dummy" key for $20, which is a plain metal key for door entry, but no chip so will not start the car.
The Kguard product looks good if an electronic key is your only option (depending on your car).  If inserting a metal key in the Kguard, may be a good idea to cap the key with a short piece of tygon tubing to eliminate any sharp edges.
125 mL HDPE bottle worked, but was bulky. ::)
If you don't have a trunk in your vehicle to hide your keys (I typically disengage the trunk release from inside the car), something like a gun safe is an alternative, which will fit phone, wallet, and keys.  If anyone knows of a gun safe that is secure and hard to pick, I would be interested to know.
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Post by: Badger on November 27, 2020, 05:52:54 PM
I was considering a lockbox but got turned off by all the bad reviews on Amazon.

I prefer to have my car key with me when I surf. That way I know it's safe and it's easy to get to when I need it. The Nissan dealer cut me two valet keys for $13.00 each. They won't start the car. All they do is lock and unlock the doors. One key goes around my neck on a strong piece of nylon string and then goes into the key pouch in the neck of my wetsuit. The other key is well hidden on the vehicle just in case I ever get locked out.



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