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Stand Up Paddle => SUP General => Topic started by: supthecreek on September 10, 2020, 06:26:05 PM
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This video focuses on foot placement when SUP surfing... particularly useful on bigger boards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-qB8_uZLuY&t=21s
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Nice foot work. Love the GoPro view for it.
Thanks for sharing.
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Wow, you're quite nimble! And here I am like a statue afraid to even attempt a buoy turn...lol
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Very nice. This is obviously the proper use of the nose mount, instruction.
Very chill vid and as you so clearly show, gots to keep them feets movin.
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I don't have to move my feet that much because I wear a size 14 shoe ;D
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Front foot on center is the most important tip in the video. All too often, I see people with their front foot way off center which makes them lean forward, hunched over to compensate.
Having your front foot on center allows you to stand up straight. Bend the knees as you enter a turn and straighten up as you leave the turn, but keep your upper body upright. Move your hips forward or backward as needed. Don't lean forward.
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This video focuses on foot placement when SUP surfing... particularly useful on bigger boards
I agree with Badger that centering the front foot is important for a complete beginner, BUT as you progress into actually turning, the your movement of your back foot is what I find very helpful. Using the inside ail is key to putting the board on its rail, and helping it to turn on the wave. And it isn't something super natural. You have to practice it.
Why on bigger boards? I guess on the bigger boards you have to move the back foot more? Just did some looking at the pros, and I guess the don't have to move their back foot as much. They just get the back foot right on the arch pad in the back and use their body weight. While on the wider boards, one must move the foot to get the board to turn.
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Putting the back foot on rail can definitely help you turn, especially on bigger boards. You can move the back foot all you want but there is no benefit from moving the front foot away from center. The front foot should always remain near the centerline of the board while on the wave.
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Actually, I frequently move my front foot towards the rail as well.
When I really want to carve hard, both feet will move closer to the rail.... particularly when going backside.
If I walk forward of the pad I always move both feet near the inside rail.... it gives me more control of the rail.
For sure, the front foot is centered much of the time, but don't be afraid to move that to the rail as well. (picture)
This video focuses on foot placement when SUP surfing... particularly useful on bigger boards
I agree with Badger that centering the front foot is important for a complete beginner, BUT as you progress into actually turning, the your movement of your back foot is what I find very helpful. Using the inside ail is key to putting the board on its rail, and helping it to turn on the wave. And it isn't something super natural. You have to practice it.
Why on bigger boards? I guess on the bigger boards you have to move the back foot more? Just did some looking at the pros, and I guess the don't have to move their back foot as much. They just get the back foot right on the arch pad in the back and use their body weight. While on the wider boards, one must move the foot to get the board to turn.
Exactly!
Pros and very light SUPsters can ride shorter boards.
That allows them to have their:
Back foot on the tail pad (steering wheel)
Front foot on the handle (gas peddle)
Less distance between the Kick Pad and handle is a great advantage
Smaller boards generally have narrower tails... and that allows them to plant their foot on the stomper and stay there.
Being a big unit, my boards are generally longer and wider, so I have to move a lot more. Front, back, side to side.
It is natural for me, coming from the 60's longboard era, where walking was the name of the game!
My feet move so many times on a wave that it's hard to count. :)
Here's a video of a guy ripping on a 7'4 x 25 GenRation Wedge
His feet never have to move!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=304&v=kfpzlzsfmqc&feature=emb_logo
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Thats funny, I just noticed the other day that I was moving my front foot a bit inside as well on a wave that I was running along on.
I am on a 8'10" Sunova Steeze, and clock in at 88kg on a 125ltr board, so a 1.4 ratio without my winter rubber, so maybe a similar ratio than you on your board.
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Yes, hopping your front foot over to the rail for a few seconds can be useful but it would not make sense to use that as your normal surf stance.
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Yes, hopping your front foot over to the rail for a few seconds can be useful but it would not make sense to use that as your normal surf stance.
but there is no benefit from moving the front foot away from center. The front foot should always remain near the centerline of the board while on the wave.
These are both very strong statements, that I respectfully disagree with.
I understand your point on the front foot being centered fairly often when going frontside...
But front foot near the rail makes perfect sense, when going backside.
Note:
In the video above I was riding a 29" wide board, so my front foot wasn't moving as much as it does on my wider boards.
I am a fairly strong surfer on my backhand exactly because my front foot is almost always left of center, with my heel closer to the rail.
My back foot still moves rail to rail, but more often than not, my front heel remains near the rail. (pic #2)
I have the advantage of 6 years of video to review, when considering my response, and my front heel is railside to provide powerful turns and solid rail control. (pic #1)
When noseriding backside, both heels are on the inside rail.
While my frontside "normal surf stance" may have front foot centered, it doesn't last long because my feet are almost constantly moving.
Some SUPster ride very small boards and their feet are planted... one on kicker and one on handle
But there are a lot more folks riding bigger boards that require more movement toward the rail, to maximize performance.
Here's a :21 sec video from 2014 (still using the nose cam)
It clearly shows my front foot on the rail for the entire ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AFL8x83i2E
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Nice Jah reggae footwork, Creek. Back foot on inside rail? Yea, man! Especially with quad fins!
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Different styles I suppose. I always keep my front foot centered and maybe use a little more body english to produce the same or similar effect as moving the front foot over.
One thing I'm positive is counter to turning performance is having the feet on opposite sides of the centerline.
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Yes, hopping your front foot over to the rail for a few seconds can be useful but it would not make sense to use that as your normal surf stance.
What's normal surf stance? Going straight? Who wants to do that?
Different styles I suppose. I always keep my front foot centered and maybe use a little more body english to produce the same or similar effect as moving the front foot over.
Try a backside bottom turn without moving your front foot to the inside rail. Ain't gonna happen.
One thing I'm positive is counter to turning performance is having the feet on opposite sides of the centerline.
No kidding.
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Try a backside bottom turn without moving your front foot to the inside rail. Ain't gonna happen.
I made a point of watching my feet when I was out this morning and I do move my front foot a little closer to the rail on backside bottom turns. I never really gave it much thought. 90% of my surfing is done facing the wave so my normal surfstance is on the centerline. I forget that not everyone has the luxury of a point or reef break. I generally don't spend much time surfing backside.
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My front foot is always on the side of the stringer that's facing the wave. As I make the drop I'll pull the front foot back, but still on the same side. When I hit the lip and come back down the face my front foot will usually still be on the side facing the wave. My back foot does most of the moving side to side. If I start left (or backside for me) but plan on cutting back right, my front foot will be more centered. I'll compensate for that by moving my back foot almost off the rail. A toe drag turn. With size 14's i don't have a choice.
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When you hit the lip the front of the board is not engaged, so the front foot placement is less critical. The board pivots between your feet. I'm actually pulling my nose of the board towards me with my front foot heal, and pushing the tail away from me with my back foot. In the second photo you can almost see the twisting in my upper body as I rotate oposite my board.