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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: jondrums on September 09, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
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Wow, it is so incredibly fun to be high performance wave riding when everyone else is bobbing around complaining about how crappy it is. Literally, paddle out, spin, ride, repeat. Do I have anything constructive to say that is worth creating a new topic? No - classic shit-post.
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As someone who checks this and the 3 other foil forums I know about every hour, I appreciate your effort good sir.
Now someone go find me the measurements of a Takuma Kujira foil so I can see if it's the smaller Axis 900 I'm thinking it is and plop down my deposit. If I sell my Axis 900 and 760 that'll just about cover the $1600 to get me back to a full carbon setup!
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is worth creating a new topic?
It might. Especially if you could show off your new sexy foil board ;)
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It's actually a worthwhile thing to post, especially since surf foiling at the beginner/intermediate level looks lame. I was shocked to find out how much fun it is. I started doing it because I thought it might be the door to downwind foiling, which it may well be if I get light enough, or magically less clumsy, or simply learn to pump better. But I had little interest in doing it because it looked like it would be boring just mowing back and forth on weenie waves. It's not.
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I guess we're all jonesing for online foil content during that time when we can't go to the beach and we're supposed to be working.
The other day I paddled out to a shark's cove in Santa Cruz, which has got to be the worst possible place to go foiling due to kelp in the take-off zone and grass on the reef where the wave breaks. Not only that it was absolutely terrible to get to with a foil - negotiating between kelp patches and eel-grass on a long paddle approach from the put-in beach. I don't know why I was bothering except everywhere else was either mobbed because of the beach shut-downs and air quality issues. I had pretty much resigned myself to sitting out there and enjoying just being on the water and the conversation. So then the guy who seemed to own the lineup for the last several years sees a good set wave and tells me: "Let's go". I'm like, no you go ahead - and he says "no I want to see what that thing can do." So, fuck it, I'm going.
Taking off on the wave with a foil was going to be a slalom course and most of the time results in getting the foil tangled. Once you actually get the wave, you've got to immediately get as high in the water as possible to get over the eel-grass patches, and slalom around and between the kelp stalks. Luckily I knew this from surfing there all those years.
So I turn and go right next to him. I miraculously make the wave as he watches me pump up high and put on the jets to get on top of the wave above the grass and several snap turns to avoid the kelp. I got a little ways down the wave before the foil caught something and face-planted. I probably sat out at the peak for another half an hour before trying another few and eventually having a really nice session playing pinball around the obstacles as the tide came up.
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It might. Especially if you could show off your new sexy foil board ;)
I will as soon as I have something to show. Still waiting on the blank to get on the router
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Wow, it is so incredibly fun to be high performance wave riding when everyone else is bobbing around complaining about how crappy it is. Literally, paddle out, spin, ride, repeat. Do I have anything constructive to say that is worth creating a new topic? No - classic shit-post.
Agreed jondrums. In the beginning I was so eager to share the stoke with my surfing buddies. I quickly grew tired of that and have given up. I dont care what they do anymore. I have NO desire to sit in the lineup or even anywhere close to it. The drama around the lineup is the worst part about surfing and to me it goes against the whole sport. I have a bunch of buddies that just want to catch the best waves and the biggest drops. They talk about the water temperature.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT FOILING!!!! The only place I can is here and seabreaze..and my brother who got me into all of this. No my wife wont hear it..
PS have you all seen the CRAZY WING from the dockstart video "horuemovie" in instagrunt posted????
https://www.instagram.com/horuemovie/?hl=en (https://www.instagram.com/horuemovie/?hl=en) MOST RECENT
I want to talk about that.
Thanks for keeping it going jondrums...
-red
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Fine I admit it. I check this forum probably 5 times an hour! I have a problem, so sue me!
Hey red_tx check out the surfermag forums if you haven't. The foil forum there is decent. (Fine it's mostly me posting) but some other people are on there too.
https://forum.surfer.com/index.php?forums/foil-surfing.9/
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Fully foil brained here and have really only started. Yes, foil content is low. I have no desire to be famous or attract attention but I think we all have to commit to better video capture.
I’m headed out for a week in San Diego. Hoping to find a foil surf spot that works for me (I think I have one or two to try) but the best part is staying on a boat. In the afternoon I can take a late lunch break and step off the dock and wing foil most days.
As to your wife, I’m trying to get my water-phobic wife to learn to drive a ski so we can rent at the marina and she can tow me. (She loves quads and jet skis are really just quads on water, right? Right?) Foil brain.
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I would advise against that plan cowboy! driving a jetski as a tow-boat is actually quite difficult. They aren't made to go slow and speed control is actually quite difficult. Much better to have someone driving who knows a little bit about foiling enough to feel what is too fast or too slow. Trust me, it is super duper scary when the driver starts going too fast and you're having to decide whether to drop the line or hang on until they slow down. Nightmare session with someone who is otherwise a great waterski and passable wakeboarding driver but knew nothing about foiling.
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Never fear. She will never call my bluff. But as a long time water skier I agree nothing is worse than a crappy driver.
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Lots of excitement out there for the Takuma Kujira. Looks like if you want to compare it to the axis 900 you’ll have to shoot for the med size one the 1220. I have the LOL 1300,1600 and 1900 and love them! Can’t wait for the new ones -already set w the full carbon set up so pretty frothed as well!
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McRae and Fiona Wylde pumped their way at high speed into the event center a few days ago after a seriously great SUP foil downwinder--they both had Takuma wings. The wings looked odd and not super high-performance to me, but they loved them. The stabilizer looked to be on an extreme angle to me, and I had my angle gauge with me, so I measured McRae's. The looks were deceiving, it was 2.8 degrees. It's a pretty wild looking wing. McRae's has the wing tiplets pointing up toward the board, which seems strange, but he said the wing recovers in a breach and he rarely even feels it though he can hear it.
Fiona's tiplets point downward through the wings looked very similar. I didn't talk to Fiona as much about the performance, she was busy with other people. I had also had an amazing session in the crazy wind with my 3.5 wing and 860 foil, and was so buzzed with adrenalin that my teeth were chattering.
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The other day I paddled out to a shark's cove in Santa Cruz, which has got to be the worst possible place to go foiling due to kelp in the take-off zone and grass on the reef where the wave breaks. Not only that it was absolutely terrible to get to with a foil - negotiating between kelp patches and eel-grass............
Especially active year for kelp in 2020. Should die off in Fall and get washed away so Winter and Spring could be the time for decent foiling.
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Yep, SUP foiling is SUPer fun! Even more fun is taking a really flexible carbon mast out in over head stuff, and trying to turn it out of trouble when need be...YEEF'NHAW!! (Not recommended while wearing clean board shorts...if you want them to be clean in the end) :o :P
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I guess we're all jonesing for online foil content during that time when we can't go to the beach and we're supposed to be working.
. . . So then the guy who seemed to own the lineup for the last several years sees a good set wave and tells me: "Let's go". I'm like, no you go ahead - and he says "no I want to see what that thing can do."
I am on the East Coast Connecticut and Rhode Island. It is FLAT, FLAT, FLAT with regular forecasts of 0.5 - 1.0 ft. The forecast for tomorrow is JUMPING 2 to 3 feet. GREEN.
So I am the guy from California that surfs 100+ sessions a year at Pillar Point in Half Moon Bay. I regularly show up with Ruby this summer and we are totally alone surfing 2 to 3 foot waves. On one particularly small day one of the locals asks "How was it?" "1 to 2 feet I respond." He looks at our rental car with Illinois plates, we are in Rhode Island, and says "You drive all the way from Illinois for these crappy 1 to 2 foot waves." I just laughed.
On a slightly bigger day I didn't have to film or edit. A doctor named Ed shot this video and sent it to me. Classic summertime New England foiling and still SUPER fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUnGSm995U0
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Yep, SUP foiling is SUPer fun! Even more fun is taking a really flexible carbon mast out in over head stuff, and trying to turn it out of trouble when need be...YEEF'NHAW!! (Not recommended while wearing clean board shorts...if you want them to be clean in the end) :o :P
Yeah, anything bigger than waist high and you need gear that does EXACTLY what you want it to. I generally avoid that and stick with the re-form junk.
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I got a 3 for 1 this morning on SUPfoil! The middle wave was barely just a momentary hop onto a swell to rest my legs, but I'm going to count it.
Towards the end of my session, the tide was coming up and there was a huge backwashing coming off the rocks. The rocks are at an angle to the swell so the backwash is coming back at even more of an angle to the incoming swell. It was really fun to try and pull off the back of the wave and grab a bit of the backwash on the way back out. That's a first for me.
On the negative side, I cracked another paddle blade by hitting the foil while pumping. Dammit, there goes another couple hundred $$. I now have a renewed desire to figure out how to tool up a super durable paddle blade construction. Hmm, let's see, do I need another project?
More to the point of the thread - for the last hour while the waves stopped breaking there was about 50 other people in the water sitting around on their longboards and wavestorms while I continuously rode non-breaking swell. Suckers! SUPfoiling is so fun.
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Jon, I am 6 foot tall, My paddle is ~73 inches and I am running the long Gen 1 Gofoil mast.
I do not think I can hit my foil if I tried. Foil is GL210
What are your specs?
-red
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I’ve gone back to +6”
I’m 6’1” and on the long Tuttle mast. I think It happens when I’ve got my knees bent and if the board gets a little angled sideways which bring the foil wing up and out to where I am paddling
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Another super fun morning. After a few good waves in one spot, I paddled over to another peak and sat for a while waiting for the right combination of clear path and a set wave. Pulled into a really nice one and all of a sudden - a swimmer in the water - OH! its a guy with a camera and fins. Got a nice aggressive top turn in right in front of him and continued down the line. I felt like a bit of a hero for sure. I wasn't able to catch his insta but maybe I can find it and post up a pic.
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Got ahold of the clip
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGrRUhCDWUf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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What an awesome shot!
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Got ahold of the clip
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGrRUhCDWUf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Wow, jondrums, that guys handle is almost the same as yours only he added "urf" to the end.! small world.
Jondrumsurf looks like he is having fun on his 10 foot run. I cant wait to meet red_txurf out there in the line.. all smiley and happy go turny.. oh wait, that would require me going to a line anywhere. nah.
I like that board I need to upgrade mine.
-red
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Got ahold of the clip
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGrRUhCDWUf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
That's a great hero shot jondrums. Maybe you'll be lucky and that guy will swim by on your maiden flight with your newly designed board :)
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I'm reinvigorated (again) from a super fun session this morning. This is the very first time I've ever gone in a few minutes early because I was exhausted. Literally grabbing a several hundred yard long wave within a minute of paddling back out into place. Barely anyone else out, and those that were couldn't really catch much. I could see people pulling into the parking lot and drive right back out without even stopping to take a look. Yup, it was fairly small and barely breaking but that's all it takes to zip high performance zigs and zags and come off the water with a smile. Goddamn SUP foiling is fun.
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I'm reinvigorated (again) from a super fun session this morning. This is the very first time I've ever gone in a few minutes early because I was exhausted. Literally grabbing a several hundred yard long wave within a minute of paddling back out into place. Barely anyone else out, and those that were couldn't really catch much. I could see people pulling into the parking lot and drive right back out without even stopping to take a look. Yup, it was fairly small and barely breaking but that's all it takes to zip high performance zigs and zags and come off the water with a smile. Goddamn SUP foiling is fun.
"Damn it feels good to be a gangster" 8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIoPlLEXM2Y
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well, I might as well use this thread as my own personal blog whenever I have a great session.
Cold stiff onshore breeze, short period, blown out high tide beach break. What a crappy day. I pulled into the lot at first light, 6:15a. Every deep rooted instinct from years of surfing told me to get back in the car and go back to bed. I watched as at least three cars pulled in and drive right back out to go home. It's not like anywhere else was going to be good with an onshore breeze. I put on the cold still damp wetsuit and decided to put on gloves too.
Once I'm on the water and spun for the first set wave, I knew I made the right call. How fun is it riding crappy gutless wind bumps, linking peaks down the beach?!? I had a great session pretty much all by myself at a break that normally would have a few hundred people out on a typical morning. Goddamn - SUP foiling is fun.
I was riding the NL190 at 205lbs and should have gone smaller and faster with the Takuma 1210 that I have been loving every time I put it on. But I still can't get myself to trust that such a small foil will be fun in slow gutless surf. I've been riding big foils for too long and I need to readjust my gear instincts.
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Oh, and fuck you foil designers that put sharp wingtips on these sexy foils. I paid good money for the foil without realizing it is probably going to cost me almost as much over its life in repairing and replacing westuits. Half the time I go out I'm putting a cut into the wetsuit. And that's after taking a sanding block to take the super sharp edges down. Guess I'll take the block to them again.
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Yeah, that sander came out after I put the wing tip of my Takuma 1210 through my foot. Just barely avoided stitches.
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Oh, and fuck you foil designers that put sharp wingtips on these sexy foils. I paid good money for the foil without realizing it is probably going to cost me almost as much over its life in repairing and replacing westuits. Half the time I go out I'm putting a cut into the wetsuit. And that's after taking a sanding block to take the super sharp edges down. Guess I'll take the block to them again.
I was going to make a snarky comment about "Oh so you want to go fast . . . . well then get used to the sharp foils."
Then I thought about our marine mammal friends. The FASTEST we are going on foils, in surf, is 25 mph. I dare anyone to show me a 30 mph reading in the surf. Dolphins can move way faster than this with huge underwater bodies and their fins are NOT sharp.
Someone: FIGURE IT OUT.
PS: I have drawn blood on both feet and other parts of my body from the foil so I am no stranger to the pain and bloodletting. Here was a recent blow from the tail fin in the surf. This was from the leading edge through my wetsuit and I think my watchband too. Good thing it was sideways.
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Skyrama hit 31mph in the surf. New armstrong 1125. It was in a story think, maybe it's still on his page.
Project cedrus uses a softer material for the front and rear of the mast. I hope to get that mast in the water today or tomorrow.
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I've never once been hit by the leading or trailing edge of the mast. I love what Cedrus is doing, but I think softness there is misguided. Much more concerned about the main wingtips and tailtips. leading and trailing edges of the foils also haven't been an issue for me.