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Title: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on August 30, 2020, 10:01:36 AM
New Cabrinha in the 1:30 to 1:50 area https://youtu.be/SG216BSRMOQ?

you mean the one with two mini-booms?

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On his Instagram, Keahi de aboitiz wave riding with a similar Cabrinha wing... which is presumably the new Cabrinha wing. I have seen the minibooms on another wing I believe (...but can't remember which).
instagram.com/p/CEIpigCHHpW/

One can see different views of the new Cabrinha Crosswing V2 at Jupiter Kiteboarding site. https://www.jupiterkiteboarding.com/store/cabrinha-crosswing-v2-p-8290.html (https://www.jupiterkiteboarding.com/store/cabrinha-crosswing-v2-p-8290.html)
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on August 30, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
I'm using a  boom rig with my Ozone Wasp 4 metre and 6 metre wings -- I come from a 40 year windsurfing background so the boom is natural to me.  With the exception of the Echo, I've wondered why more manufactures don't employ some sort of "boom" more often.  Maybe as this sport grows and matures we'll see more "booms" being added to what's offered by the various wind wing manufacturers.  Hand placement is just so intuitive with a boom. 

As a side note:  Not everyone lives on Maui or a place with waves and tons of wind.  Windsurfing was pretty much killed by the industry in the mid-1990's by getting waaaay too technical and expensive for recreational sailboarders -- anyone involved in the promotion of wind winging should be very cautious about pushing the extreme elements of this sport -- keep it simple, relatively inexpensive and promote it as something that's accessible to anyone with access to water and some wind.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: clay on August 30, 2020, 12:18:29 PM
interesting, looks like the duotone unit and the hot wing had a child.

As someone who gave an honest attempt at picking up windsurfing several years ago I would say windsurfing killed windsurfing.  Even after I had the basics of sail handling down none of my surfing translated to windsurfing, I guessed that I would need to stick with it for 10 years to actually do the surfing part well...That and the uphauling - which is brutal.

Whereas winging ALL of my surf foiling translates to wing foiling, I just needed to acclimate to the basics of wing handling and I was wing foiling right away. 

Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: Admin on August 30, 2020, 03:22:14 PM
Windsurfing was pretty much killed by the industry in the mid-1990's by getting waaaay too technical and expensive for recreational sailboarders -- anyone involved in the promotion of wind winging should be very cautious about pushing the extreme elements of this sport -- keep it simple, relatively inexpensive and promote it as something that's accessible to anyone with access to water and some wind.

You hear that a lot but it never rang true to me.  The gear advanced as windsurfers improved.  It wasn't an industry decision.  Shapers, local sail designers, etc started building the stuff that they and everyone around them wanted to ride.  It was smaller, lighter, faster, jumped, and was in general more performance oriented.  It wasn't a mistake.  The sport would have died completely if it hadn't moved forward.  Windsurfing is an amazing sport but it does require more wind to be really fun (with the exception of some wave locations).  That means that after a while you become really location specific or you end up doing a lot of waiting.  Other sports came along that were much less wind specific.  Foils are the king in making every day a windy day.  It looks like there has been a decent windsurfing resurgence with the foil.  That is really cool to see. 
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: headmount on August 30, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
Windsurfing was pretty much killed by the industry in the mid-1990's by getting waaaay too technical and expensive for recreational sailboarders -- anyone involved in the promotion of wind winging should be very cautious about pushing the extreme elements of this sport -- keep it simple, relatively inexpensive and promote it as something that's accessible to anyone with access to water and some wind.

You hear that a lot but it never rang true to me.  The gear advanced as windsurfers improved.  It wasn't an industry decision.  Shapers, local sail designers, etc started building the stuff that they and everyone around them wanted to ride.  It was smaller, lighter, faster, jumped, and was in general more performance oriented.  It wasn't a mistake.  The sport would have died completely if it hadn't moved forward.  Windsurfing is an amazing sport but it does require more wind to be really fun (with the exception of some wave locations).  That means that after a while you become really location specific or you end up doing a lot of waiting.  Other sports came along that were much less wind specific.  Foils are the king in making every day a windy day.  It looks like there has been a decent windsurfing resurgence with the foil.  That is really cool to see.
This is even true at a high wind location like Maui.  Admin knows how light it can be here during big chunks of the year.  This was my first day on my Unit 6m and i was up on foil both ways.  No jibe completions but that wasn't the fault of the wind.  Wind speed around 10.  My weight, 210.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: VB_Foil on August 30, 2020, 06:28:36 PM
This wing has an interesting secondary mini strut to help shape the canopy??

(https://i.ibb.co/MsBR05W/B05-B440-F-37-A2-4-BDD-AC58-66996-D2-F5583.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y30tsTY)

(Prototype)

Genius or gimmick?!
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on August 31, 2020, 10:11:25 AM
I could imagine that by actively maintaining the structure of the canopy the mini strut attached to the canopy could improve power when pumping the wing to get started and to get on foil. Seems like on a wing where this structure is not actively maintained (such as my Slingwing v2 and most others where strut is not attached directly to the canopy) the first part of the pumping stroke is dedicated to returning the structure of the canopy again before it can fill up with pressure.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: Admin on September 01, 2020, 01:25:28 AM
I could imagine that by actively maintaining the structure of the canopy the mini strut attached to the canopy could improve power when pumping the wing to get started and to get on foil. Seems like on a wing where this structure is not actively maintained (such as my Slingwing v2 and most others where strut is not attached directly to the canopy) the first part of the pumping stroke is dedicated to returning the structure of the canopy again before it can fill up with pressure.

That is a funny image because it looks like the combined struts have a deep foil shape but mounted backwards with the (potentially) lifting surface facing the rider. 
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: clay on September 01, 2020, 01:21:01 PM
Good observation.  I had a look at a minute or so before I saw it.

I wonder what that does when backwinded (if i remember correctly the non/less curved side does 2/3 of the lifting, or maybe in this case pushing or even accelerating forward)?
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on September 01, 2020, 06:36:11 PM
A few more shots of the Cabrinha Crosswing v2.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: PonoBill on September 01, 2020, 08:11:19 PM
I like the little upper strut, the larger lower strut looks like a good candidate for a simple boom. It doesn't seem to tension the canopy.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on September 11, 2020, 08:16:24 PM
This wing has an interesting secondary mini strut to help shape the canopy??

(https://i.ibb.co/MsBR05W/B05-B440-F-37-A2-4-BDD-AC58-66996-D2-F5583.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y30tsTY)

(Prototype)

Genius or gimmick?!

I talked with a very good wing foiler today who has used the new Cabrinha wing and he says he is very impressed with this wing (he has foiled with many, many wings).   

We have to wait a couple of more weeks for the official release and some online reviews.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on September 11, 2020, 11:07:29 PM
......
I used the new 2021 Cabrinha with 2 longer mini booms handles and they were well placed, plus the mini boom were wide enough to let you adjust while going.
.....

winged surf likes the two mini boom handles on the 2021 Cabrinha Crosswing v2 wings (paraphrasing from another thread).
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: PonoBill on September 12, 2020, 08:40:35 AM
I keep staring at that wing thinking it's a great candidate for conversion to a boom. Since the boom doesn't need to directly tension the canopy other than perhaps assisting the upper strut it could be a two- or three-piece carbon tube that would pack down. The baffle fabric, or whatever you'd call that flap between the struts, could have cutaways where your hands need to go. Much simpler than a strut and mini booms, and much lighter. Supported carbon tubes under minimal compression and flex don't have to be thick. Attach it to the leading edge and the canopy strut with fabric pockets and support it with the baffle. Damn.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on September 12, 2020, 09:20:02 AM
I keep staring at that wing thinking it's a great candidate for conversion to a boom. Since the boom doesn't need to directly tension the canopy other than perhaps assisting the upper strut it could be a two- or three-piece carbon tube that would pack down. The baffle fabric, or whatever you'd call that flap between the struts, could have cutaways where your hands need to go. Much simpler than a strut and mini booms, and much lighter. Supported carbon tubes under minimal compression and flex don't have to be thick. Attach it to the leading edge and the canopy strut with fabric pockets and support it with the baffle. Damn.

PonoBill, Are you proposing a retrofit project (cutting off the inflatable lower strut) or suggesting Cabrinha should have a carbon boom (as standard or option)?
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: PonoBill on September 12, 2020, 03:47:53 PM
Both. Either. I can't stop looking at that thing.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on September 15, 2020, 08:11:15 AM
Apparently, the Cabrinha Crosswing v2 has two inflation points: 1) the leading edge + 1 split strut and 2) the other split strut.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on September 17, 2020, 10:22:50 AM
Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYwSs0corw
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 17, 2020, 11:32:26 AM
Good review. Lots of good features.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on September 17, 2020, 10:22:40 PM
Good review. Lots of good features.

Apparently, the Cabrinha Crosswing v2 has two inflation points: 1) the leading edge + 1 split strut and 2) the other split strut.

Agreed, good review by Tucker at MacKite.

In my previous comment, my speculation about the two inflation points and 3 bladders was incorrect. From Tucker's video, I see that inflating the 2 center struts to 11 psi for rigidity (with one shared inflation point) and then the LE to safer 6 PSI (using a 2nd inflation point) makes a lot of sense.

Perhaps the biggest flaw I heard of was the lateral flexibility of the mini-booms ....but that seems to be an almost inevitable consequence of the stanchions holding the rigid mini booms far enough away from the strut.

Overall, I really liked the Cabrinha Crosswing X2, both features described and performance evidenced from Tucker's riding.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: Admin on September 18, 2020, 02:43:35 AM
Great video.  They clearly put a lot of thought into that wing.  True V2.  Cool that the strut(s) inflate to 11.  That looks much stiffer and nicer than I had imagined.  Handles look pretty good as well but how they went so far and still left them partially floppy is beyond me. 
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: winged surfer on September 18, 2020, 04:53:35 AM
I had the hance to try it in 5m size.
I liked the mini booms, much nicer than all the other handles i tried.
Honestly i did not feel that floppy thing Tucker was talking about in the video.
I still prefer the boom feeling but that’s a personal opinion.
I thought the wing was lighter but in the air it is very very stable and i was impressed how you can jybe turning it litterally with 2 fingers.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on September 18, 2020, 07:58:10 AM
I think the inside strut of the new Cabrinha wing, which is attached to the canopy, acts like a camber inducer found in windsurfing race sails.  The draft is held in place by this strut, which may give it more power, especially in lighter air and may make it a little more stable throughout its wind range.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: Thatspec on September 18, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
Maybe this guy doesn't have enough pressure in the strut? Why is the front handle in this pic 20-30 degrees offset from the rear handle. His front hand is jammed against the back of that handle. Just get rid of the lower part of the strut and add a mini boom, can't be that hard. Won't purchase another wing that doesn't have a well thought out boom.

https://ibb.co/Y30tsTY
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on September 19, 2020, 10:12:37 AM
Not much new here.... but here is unboxing, inflation and a few 'demo pumps' of new Cabrinha X2 on Damien Leroy's Facebook. He has a few other shots of the wing in action in other posts.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=681548252454985&extid=70WBMUDZqQMXzIMI
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on September 25, 2020, 08:43:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs3d96fpS6I
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: PonoBill on September 25, 2020, 09:39:20 AM
It would be fairly easy to make a connector boom to span between those two mini boom handles. A connector would make transitions easier and add rigidity to the handles. I'm thinking a carbon fiber tube a little bigger than the mini-booms, sectioned in half where the boom overlaps the handles. I'd stick loop velcro on the handle where the overlap happens, and hook material inside the section to hold things in place while wrapping the attachment loops. Eliminating handle twist goes a long way in stiffening the handles. I'm going to have to get one to try this. 7 or 6?? Hmm.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on September 25, 2020, 11:09:32 AM
It would be fairly easy to make a connector boom to span between those two mini boom handles. A connector would make transitions easier and add rigidity to the handles. I'm thinking ....

I like this idea!!

If using a harness line, would you add it to the connector boom? (Could harness line-inflatable boom connection points be useful for the connector boom attachment?)

Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on September 30, 2020, 03:30:47 PM
Here is another video review of the Cabrinha Crosswing X2 (in French): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT16iSrNgQs
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on October 02, 2020, 09:52:30 AM
Comments in English with this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Tk7tHpbLU&t=57s
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on October 11, 2020, 10:23:26 AM
I now have the 5m Cabrinha Crosswing X2 (and just sold my Slingwing v2 5.4m, which I loved). I will also get a 4m and 6m when available shortly. This wing is powerful and flies fast. Really easy to pump wing to get up on foil. The canopy is very rigid and doesn't luff/flap at all. I like the handles a lot (after the slipperyness washes out after 1-2 sessions). Wing handles and drifts well. Floats well during transitions. I am pleased with this wing. In overpowered conditions, and if one let's the front handle out inadvertently, there can be a tendency for the wing to backwind a bit and stall. Perhaps this is exacerbated by the flat canopy. I have figured out how to manage this after the first couple sessions. The double inflation points are slick. Deflates fast, too. A bit of a challenge to learn how to fold with the minibooms.... but it can be done. I loved the bag that came with Slingwing v2, not so much for the Cabrinha messenger bag duffel style. I really like having a backpack with two straps.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on October 23, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
I demoed a 6 metre Cabrinha today -- it was powerful and controllable until I got hit with a slightly bigger than normal gust.  At this point it got very unruly and backwinded in a disconcerting manner (winds were 3 to 10 or 11 m.p.h. with an odd gust of maybe 14 m.p.h. -- no whitecaps).  Personally I feel the front handle needs to be extended forward by five or six inches to get better leverage over the wing in gusts.  Both the Wasp and Echo (in my opinion) are more controllable wings even though the Wasp will flutter like  crazy in big gusts.  I'd like to demo an Armstrong wing to see how it compares to the others.

The Cabrinha wing does not pack down in the same way my Wasp (X2) and Echo does -- the wing's bag is large and even then it is hard to pack the wing up so that it fits.

I did like the handles and it is easy to pump the board up onto the foil in really light wind.  There's a lot to like but the backwinding has given me pause and I'm glad I got to demo this wing before purchasing.

Now I understand why some are switching out wings like most of us switch out underwear.    :(

Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: peterwSUPr on December 12, 2020, 03:15:42 PM
Has anyone else tried this more recently and if so do you have any thoughts on the above comments?  I'm looking at a 5m, but my brother is in a lighter wind area and looking at a 6m.  We'd both like to hear a bit more about if the 5m or 6m is harder to handle if it does get overpowered.

Thanks,
Peter
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 12, 2020, 03:56:20 PM
A couple of local buddies tried it. They said the same as above. It back winded.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: peterwSUPr on December 13, 2020, 03:42:54 AM
Thanks, do you know if that is specific to the 6m?
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: wingdingjoe on December 13, 2020, 08:37:40 AM
also very interested in this design... did they happen to mention that it back winded MORE than 6mt swing o other comparable large wings?

I've found that the large LE wings almost always seem to have difficulty sheeted in and pointing high and just assumed cause of too much turbulence behind that huge "mast."

anyone find the official WEIGHT of the large cabrina? I would like to compare it with the weight of the new Shinn 7mt "resurrector" wing... which looks pretty fain sexy to me.  8)
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: peterwSUPr on December 13, 2020, 10:58:05 AM
I should also have asked, was this backwinding a "deal breaker" or just something that was not ideal?  Most equipment in most sports have strengths and weaknesses and tradeoffs.  Was any negative of this backwinding made up for by other good aspects of the handling?

Thx,
Peter
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on December 13, 2020, 04:20:58 PM
I have a 6 metre Wasp and after demoing the 6 metre Cabrinha I still have the Wasp -- I find the Wasp easier to handle in gusts but not as easy to get up on foil as the Cabrinha.  I hope to try an Ensis and an Air Rush before buying anything else -- I want to make sure it will be a worthwhile upgrade.  I mentioned the backwinding to the person who lent me the Cabrinha and he said that he agreed and that the backwinding was an issue for him as well.  I was also told that Cabrinha had another wing coming soon -- not sure how accurate that information is but then again everyone seems to have a new wing coming soon -- it's making my head swim.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: Piros on December 13, 2020, 04:39:16 PM
A couple of local buddies tried it. They said the same as above. It back winded.

Yep same issue here .
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: Admin on December 14, 2020, 01:48:19 AM
Out of interest, have you guys tried maxing out the inflation on these?  I know that the Swings would come at you if they got anywhere near the wind at MFG inflation suggestions but they do pretty well at 10 PSI.  They can point much higher like that and at the very least become very predictable (you know when to are going to fight you).  I wonder if that is the same with these.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: flkiter on December 14, 2020, 06:49:51 AM
I rode the 5 & 6 of the cab x2 wing and I really wasn't a fan of them. Maybe if it was a 2019 release, I really would of liked it but with the ensis V2, duotone unit, airush and several others in the market, I feel that it's not up to par with those. The tail of the strut bends in, while others are out so I feel more drag as the wing gets bigger and less up wind ability. The handles are a breaking point and I felt the wing tip wanting to go under my board easily. Once on foil, it was good but needed more wind than my other wings. I think this is a good high wind wing but for my funky winds, it just wasn't for me. I liked the mini boom idea but felt they're a little far apart from each other and maybe a stronger attachment and angle like the brm would be nicer. I felt like gimmicks of the double struts and mini booms could have potential but needs refinement. I'd like to try the 3 of 4 meter in strong winds since I feel that's where there testing was.
Hopefully companies learn from kite testing to test the bigger sizes and scale down instead of testing small stuff and scaling up.
Cab does have a new wing coming, has the booms on it from what I've seen so far. Maybe it'll fix the issues of the x2
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on December 14, 2020, 07:43:56 AM
Out of interest, have you guys tried maxing out the inflation on these?  I know that the Swings would come at you if they got anywhere near the wind at MFG inflation suggestions but they do pretty well at 10 PSI.  They can point much higher like that and at the very least become very predictable (you know when to are going to fight you).  I wonder if that is the same with these.

I pumped the boom strut to 11 psi and the front strut to around 6 or 7 (what it called for).  I'm staying away from wings that need a lot of pressure in the struts.  I like innovative stuff and really wanted to like this wing.  For my style of winging I just wasn't comfortable with it.  I've winged with both the Wasp and Echo and are used to them -- for my purposes I'm no longer interested in this version of the Cabrinha.  If Cabrinha introduces a version with a real "boom" and makes some changes to its strut system I'll give it another try.  After trying this one it seemed to me to be more like a work in progress rather than a well tested completed product.  Maybe I'm out to lunch but I'm looking for something that handles gusts well and goes upwind in a predictable manner.  I'm looking for a 7 metre for those light wind days (lots of those for me) but I could only get my hands on a 6 metre to demo.  After trying the 6 I felt that there was little chance the 7 was going to work for my style of winging.  Bottom line (if you can)  -- try before you buy.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: DavidJohn on December 15, 2020, 12:59:26 PM
New V3 called the Manta coming soon that will be a different design and more surf’able.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: liv2surf on December 15, 2020, 10:49:14 PM
And now for a different (and longwinded) opinion. 

In general, I really like the Cabrinha X2 wings. I have owned the 4, 5 and 6m Cabrinha Crosswing X2 for a few months now (..since they were each released). There are many things about the X2 to like ...that I like).  I have flown all of these in over, under and normo-powered conditions. I have flown Cabrinha v1 and Slingwing v2 previously. I have been wing foiling successfully for >9 months and started last January.

I believe these wings are very powerful for their size probably due to the forced camber of the canopy. I tend to like this. The canopy is very tight, rigid and quiet.

I like the two minibooms for power adjustment and transitions and simplicity of finding the handle. (see additional comments).

Backwinding: I notice the backwinding most when trying to drift this wing off the LE handle (this is a surf/downwinding specific application). I think this makes this wing less desirable for surf and downwinding but doesn’t impact it as much for flat water wing foiling. My understanding is that this behavior is a potential of all wings. For this wing, I think backwinding becomes less of an issue as you learn how to handle this wing. I am almost unaffected by it now. But it does like continuous back hand pressure to prevent backwinding.

I like the two inflations points 1) High pressure for the center struts 11 psi + and 2) low pressure for the larger LE (closer to 6 psi). This also makes for easier and quicker deflation. I like the novelty of the middle split strut. I wonder if different inflation pressure of the two split strut elements could be used as a hack to tune the performance of this wing (there is a shutoff valve between them that could allow this).

The build quality and canopy material is excellent. The bag sucks (but no one decides on a wing based on the bag).

The leash connection point about a foot back from LE allows upside down wing to be more easily flipped over unlike my other wings.

In general, I am happy with these wings.  Another friend (a former windsurfer) has the 3, 4, 5 and 6m and is very happy with them, too. I spoke to yet another windsurfer who is getting one. One of my friends owns F’one wings is not happy with his 4m X2. Cabrinha X2 wings seem popular among the windsurfers switching to winging likely because of the mini-boom handles (non-scientific survey).   

Some additional comments:

I had SEVERE problems with the minibooms when I first used the new wings due to their slipperiness (from detergent used in manufacture—which washes out after several sessions) combined with my small hands which caused intense, session-limiting hand fatigue (due to needing to actively grip during the whole session) but this has totally resolved. I am comfortable with long multi-hours sessions now, as much as the two other wing models I have owned.
 
I misspoke in an earlier post when I mentioned backwinding seemed due to not enough front hand pressure. Now, I realize I can correct any hint of backwinding by apply back hand pressure. I suppose this canopy’s need for constant back hand pressure doesn’t allow the wing to be luffed as well in overpowered conditions or for drifting in the surf compared to other brands with more relaxed canopies. This may also limit the wing’s top end range.

Last week I have wing foil surfed real waves at Kanaha on Maui while drifting on the front handle and this worked reasonably well. I was stoked about this. But, sadly, I did not get enough wave time in Maui :(  So, for me, the jury is still out for how good a wave wing foiling wing this is. Cabrinha is coming out with a new wave-specific wing which I have heard is called the Mantis (some one else said Manta which actually sounds more likely). I heard it will not have either minibooms and split-strut…. but all just rumors heard on the beach.

I like the minibooms even more after fabricating a removable and adjustable middle miniboom (which fits all 3 of my wings). This 3rd miniboom allows me to tie the two original minibooms together which eliminates their original slight tendency to move fore and aft (it also allows me to have a single harness line for all my wings, a more rigid & predictable harness connection and provides a nice, less-powered hand hold in the middle useful at various times). I fabricated this from a broken adjustable-length  carbon fiber SUP paddle shaft and 1" schedule_40 90 degree elbows. I attach each elbows a) in 2 spots to each miniboom and b) also to the strut harness connections (important for providing enough support to use the harness line). I am posting a picture of this build attached to my 6m. Currently, for attachment (a work in progress) using zip ties (and Velcro strap) but want to find something stronger, more eco-friendly (and quicker to attach and remove for packing).

Initially, the wings are a bit more challenging to fold after use due to the rigid minibooms…. but I have learned how to fold them and get them into the bag pretty quickly and small. I just traveled with 3 of these in their bags to Maui (packed into 1 suitcase) and it worked fine.

Due to the tendency to backwind which one can mostly learn to deal with and the hand fatigue from the short-lived, detergent-induced (from manufacture) initial slipperiness of the minibooms, it would be hard to appreciate the positive qualities of this wing if demoing a new wing for 30 min, IMHO.

In summary, I am generally quite happy with these wings but slightly concerned they will not be among the best when flown off the LE handle in waves and when downwinding.
Title: Re: Cabrinha Crosswing v2
Post by: deja vu on December 16, 2020, 08:36:47 AM
Great stuff putting a third "mini boom" on.  I'm glad to hear you've made a few minor adjustments and are enjoying these wings -- very innovative and interesting wing.  I'm hoping the Echo V2 will have a real boom attached to a boom strut -- that could be my ticket.
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