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Title: I got GONG'd
Post by: Wetstuff on August 13, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
I had an interest...  I think Patrice makes some great stuff.  I'd have that little, foil tugboat inflato - ' just because I think he did such a good job.  I did find something ..it was only ~U$140. Then the other gong rang out like they hit it with a steel mallet - when shipping became U$267. 

Not much in the last few years, but I have shipped pretty much everywhere 'cept to Antarctica. My last was a carton to OZ of about 11lbs (5kg) in July was just under U$100.   I cannot imagine what I wanted to order (an inflato surfboard) would have been more than that in weight or cube.

I can understand the 'no dealers' business model - you are stuck with factors or horrible receivables, aged inventory, and the need to become generic like many 'big names'.  But I do not see the logic of not setting up 'export' transport from the point of production - particularly if done in Asia.  He has a great business, puts a ton more effort in his product than many but this is a large weak spot in the opinion of this consumer. 

Jim
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: surfcowboy on August 13, 2020, 03:54:40 PM
You are 100% right. They have to sort out shipping/logistics.

But, I will say, I'll betting French companies have restrictions that we can't fully understand in the USA. If not, they are making a bad choice as a company (I say this as a business owner who does international business as well.) If so, they probably need to tell us, lol. It's hurting their rep.

I'm wondering if Le Poste is not an option, but a requirement for some reason. Where's Colas when you need him? I love their stuff but I just bought a used Swing wing for more money because I couldn't deal with a 2 month lead time. I'd like to add more foil parts but just can't bear the hassle. This should not be an issue in 2020. Correction, it's not an issue in 2020.

Great company, flawed logistics. Takoon seems to have sorted this somehow, but may not be funded enough to get enough container loads to sell. (speculating but their lead times are getting longer by the week.)

Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: PonoBill on August 13, 2020, 06:27:13 PM
There are all kinds of sophisticated fulfillment companies that could fix that easily. Anyone shipping straight from China gets to take advantage of a long-term contract for shipping via postal service to the USA. I've been surprised that didn't go away.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Fishman on August 13, 2020, 09:19:39 PM

So true.

 It looks like Switchkites  do a good job taking advantage of the Hong Kong shipping for there New Zealand company. Takoon used Chornopost from France,  which worked out good and a reasonable cost compared to what Gong was quoting. I did see where they looking to hire people for this area of their business so maybe some change will come.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Wetstuff on August 14, 2020, 05:24:56 AM
Fish'm... You brought up SWITCH. I did not want to poke Patrice in the eye with that one.  'Three days to the (rural) east coast of the USA - Free shipping'.  Probably like many small business people I have ordered from China. I find them friendly and efficient and economical.  China Post must provide a subsidy - it's a helluva lot cheaper coming than going.

Jim
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Fishman on August 14, 2020, 08:03:12 AM
Fish'm... You brought up SWITCH. I did not want to poke Patrice in the eye with that one.  'Three days to the (rural) east coast of the USA - Free shipping'.  Probably like many small business people I have ordered from China. I find them friendly and efficient and economical.  China Post must provide a subsidy - it's a helluva lot cheaper coming than going.

Jim
Wow 3 days is incredible.
 I've read and heard from a few sources that the US actually subsidizes a lot of Hong Kong to US shipping cost.
Which make zero sense to me, and I would have thought Trump would be all over that if he could so i'm not sure how that works. It's a big part of the reason that even US vendors have trouble competing with China.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: all~wet on August 14, 2020, 09:53:04 AM
Perhaps the juice ain't worth the squeeze to Gong... shock of all shocks... the U.S. market isn't a priority. Maybe he is wise enough to see that bigger is not always better. Could be Patrice has found a perfect- an enviable work life balance with his current slice of the market. Has the time to tinker/design/play in the water and make a good living... a good life.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: TallDude on August 14, 2020, 11:47:28 AM
Perhaps the juice ain't worth the squeeze to Gong... shock of all shocks... the U.S. market isn't a priority. Maybe he is wise enough to see that bigger is not always better. Could be Patrice has found a perfect- an enviable work life balance with his current slice of the market. Has the time to tinker/design/play in the water and make a good living... a good life.
I get that 100%. There are so many ways to expand my business, yet I like the throttle right where it is. I do have to turn down a ton of work, but that's part of managing my happiness. 
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Wetstuff on August 14, 2020, 12:08:25 PM
That's is certainly a possibility, AW, ' fer sure.  If you look at 'availability', it appears that his pre-orders pretty much absorb the next production run on some items. 

Given some of the White House based mockery and 25% tariffs slapped on FR wine he's probably justified having a 'who needs you' attitude. Outsiders should know we do not all wear orange makeup.

Jim
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: clay on August 14, 2020, 12:20:02 PM
Adding this:

I recently sold a used wing, and a harness.  Both relatively light weight and smallish box, one expensive one cheap.  Shipping quote from CA to East coast with all 3 big carriers was $50.  I don't remember ever seeing shipping in the continental US be that much, seems shipping cost is out of whack right now.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Wetstuff on August 14, 2020, 01:49:32 PM
Ya, Clay... it's nuts.  My poor wife had a friend that 'really likes her UPS driver' so she goes to Staples and gets suckered into a menu of options that play on the fear of the infrequent shipper.  ("Marjie..it was a pillow!?")

Even generally, you're right.  I have rolls of fabric on eBay andódamn if most of the interest is from CA or WA!  6x6x60" is obscene.  The only half-bargains are fixed-rate boxes for the USPS.  Stomp the c'hit out of it ...' cram it in a large FR carton. 'If it fits (it's gonna!) it ships.' It's the only workaround in shipping I know of.

Jim
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: all~wet on August 14, 2020, 05:06:10 PM
Perhaps the juice ain't worth the squeeze to Gong... shock of all shocks... the U.S. market isn't a priority. Maybe he is wise enough to see that bigger is not always better. Could be Patrice has found a perfect- an enviable work life balance with his current slice of the market. Has the time to tinker/design/play in the water and make a good living... a good life.
I get that 100%. There are so many ways to expand my business, yet I like the throttle right where it is. I do have to turn down a ton of work, but that's part of managing my happiness.

Good onya TD- there is a great return from simply knowing how and when to say no.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: paddlur on August 14, 2020, 06:39:50 PM
Perhaps the juice ain't worth the squeeze to Gong... shock of all shocks... the U.S. market isn't a priority. Maybe he is wise enough to see that bigger is not always better. Could be Patrice has found a perfect- an enviable work life balance with his current slice of the market. Has the time to tinker/design/play in the water and make a good living... a good life.
I get that 100%. There are so many ways to expand my business, yet I like the throttle right where it is. I do have to turn down a ton of work, but that's part of managing my happiness.
Yep 100% canít see any reason to go through the hassle these days with Gong shipping from a France to the U.S too many good options stateside to deal with that la poste crap or what ever it is then customs on our side,did it once never again for me but back then werenít a lot of options here, yeah it ainít perfect here nowadays either, but what is?certainly Gong has some great stuff Patrice is a innovator respect no doubt but until they figure a decent consistent way to ship to the states without all the headache that I and many others endured count me out,no thanks,however if they sorted it out in a non hassle no BS way to consistently get product here yeah Iíd be definitely interested,guess Iím dreaming eh
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: PonoBill on August 14, 2020, 10:39:55 PM
FedEx and UPS have a nice little monopoly scam going on, and it's about to get a lot worse. In any other administration, the postmaster general would be on his way to the slammer. The nicest thing you can say about the guy is that he's a thieving, lying, sleaze-bag motherfucker. And that's before he does his level best to steal the next election. With the US pulling out of the UPU any international rates will be self-governed. In other words, we're going to get even more hosed.

If you really want to get screwed, ship something to Hawaii, where the Jones act makes shipping three times more expensive. The Jones Act requires that any supplies shipped between two U.S. ports has to be on a U.S.-built ship owned by an American company and staffed by U.S. residents. We're from the government, and we're here to help you.

Bend over.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Area 10 on August 15, 2020, 04:14:01 AM
FedEx and UPS have a nice little monopoly scam going on, and it's about to get a lot worse. In any other administration, the postmaster general would be on his way to the slammer. The nicest thing you can say about the guy is that he's a thieving, lying, sleaze-bag motherfucker. And that's before he does his level best to steal the next election. With the US pulling out of the UPU any international rates will be self-governed. In other words, we're going to get even more hosed.

If you really want to get screwed, ship something to Hawaii, where the Jones act makes shipping three times more expensive. The Jones Act requires that any supplies shipped between two U.S. ports has to be on a U.S.-built ship owned by an American company and staffed by U.S. residents. We're from the government, and we're here to help you.

Bend over.
After reading this, I did a bit of Googling and came across this article, which claims that the US Postmaster General is colluding with Trump in order to interfere with the forthcoming election.

Is this a widely held belief in the US? Do you believe it to be true?

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/dejoy-usps-postmaster-general/
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: PonoBill on August 15, 2020, 08:36:43 AM
Yup. Unquestionably.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on August 15, 2020, 08:46:42 AM
After reading this, I did a bit of Googling and came across this article, which claims that the US Postmaster General is colluding with Trump in order to interfere with the forthcoming election.

Is this a widely held belief in the US? Do you believe it to be true?

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/dejoy-usps-postmaster-general/
Yes, colluding with foreign countries is so 2016. Nowadays we simply put the scum on top of the pond for all to see, and then make no bones about colluding with them openly from the podium with both middle fingers raised to the maybe we'll count your vote general public, and call it "Demockery", a new US political system. Works really well if you also have an equally fraudulent leader of one of the "checks and balances" houses meant to detour such flagrant BS. "Merica!"  ::)
 
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Admin on August 16, 2020, 04:06:38 AM
Yup, in 2020 we have movements to defund the Postal Service and the Police.  What could go wrong?
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Area 10 on August 16, 2020, 08:02:58 AM
After reading this, I did a bit of Googling and came across this article, which claims that the US Postmaster General is colluding with Trump in order to interfere with the forthcoming election.

Is this a widely held belief in the US? Do you believe it to be true?

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/dejoy-usps-postmaster-general/
Yes, colluding with foreign countries is so 2016. Nowadays we simply put the scum on top of the pond for all to see, and then make no bones about colluding with them openly from the podium with both middle fingers raised to the maybe we'll count your vote general public, and call it "Demockery", a new US political system. Works really well if you also have an equally fraudulent leader of one of the "checks and balances" houses meant to detour such flagrant BS. "Merica!"  ::)
Ok, since I am not a US citizen, I am baffled as to why Trump maintains so much support. It was blatantly obvious that he was an amoral opportunist since way before he was elected, and now he's president he is dismantling much of what has made the US such a successful country that so many people feel such affection for. Are his supporters ignorant of this (and if so, how?), or do they think that the US will be better if the checks and balances that have led to the US becoming the most powerful country in the world, by improving decision-makimg, are swept away? The problem for us, and the rest of the world, is that he is getting away with such casual corruption and prolific lying that he is encouraging the same behaviour in OUR leaders.

Many US commentators on the media in European outlets are saying that he is in effect destroying the GOP too, since anyone with integrity wants nothing to do with this administration, and find the policies too extreme.

Who would have thought that geopolitics might determine the cost of a wing? :)
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: all~wet on August 16, 2020, 10:45:16 AM
Living life in ones lizard-brain.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on August 16, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
Self deleted...never mind. :-X :D
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Admin on August 16, 2020, 11:42:51 AM
Many US commentators on the media in European outlets are saying that he is in effect destroying the GOP too, since anyone with integrity wants nothing to do with this administration, and find the policies too extreme.

You mean Mitt Romney and Jon Kasich?  Outside of that I don't see a whole lot of separation of the GOP from Trump. 
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Area 10 on August 16, 2020, 04:45:13 PM
Many US commentators on the media in European outlets are saying that he is in effect destroying the GOP too, since anyone with integrity wants nothing to do with this administration, and find the policies too extreme.

You mean Mitt Romney and Jon Kasich?  Outside of that I don't see a whole lot of separation of the GOP from Trump.
Interesting. So the ship is going down with the captain?
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Admin on August 16, 2020, 05:24:59 PM
I don't see it as a foregone conclusion that the ship is going down.  Trump is currently polling at ~ the same 44% approval range that he has been at for years (and I think we can safely assume that their is hidden support as well) .  All of the events that seemingly would have swayed his party and his following do not appear to have done that.  Possibly the opposite.  If the GOP disagrees with him they sure have not shown it through action.  For those of us who have been opposed to essentially everything that Trump has done it has been stressful to experience. 

I thought that there was a real opportunity for us to oppose this with a moderate Democrat alternative.  We aren't doing a great job with that.  There is an increasingly vocal and visible Dem faction that could make it hard for traditionally Republican voters who are tired of Trump to join our side.  I am also not convinced that we have a strong draw/strong turnout ticket with Biden/Harris.  Our best hope is that the vote against will be sufficient.  I would love to see a blowout that would send a that was not us message to the world, but at this point any win would suffice.
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Area 10 on August 16, 2020, 07:17:21 PM
I wasn't meaning that Trump will lose the election. I meant that ultimately the course that Trump is taking can only end badly, eventually, and then all those anywhere near his orbit will be spending years being investigated.

We have a similar problem in the UK. And so social and economic inequality is growing, and we have seen more people per capita die from covid than probably any other sizeable country.

But I guess that Trump supporters will be over-represented amongst the covid deaths. (As Brexit supporters will be in the UK.) So there will be a strange kind of irony in that. 

And importing Gong wings is set to become more expensive for us too...
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Wetstuff on August 17, 2020, 06:58:52 AM
10,  We have a cultured a self-destructive gene since the late ' 60s that has metastasized to the point the general types of people who support Trump are seemingly prepared to shot their neighbors   ...openly discussing revolution (more guns than people here) and, clearly themselves in the foot, to make sure the 'their values' are not shared with Blacks, Browns and any 'others'.  (that may be their only differing base value I can see...)

There was a fellow who took a filet knife to us in Rolling Stone.  It's a long, but sobering read.  I'll post it in the general catagory also.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

Jim
Title: Re: I got GONG'd
Post by: Area 10 on August 17, 2020, 03:38:38 PM
10,  We have a cultured a self-destructive gene since the late ' 60s that has metastasized to the point the general types of people who support Trump are seemingly prepared to shot their neighbors   ...openly discussing revolution (more guns than people here) and, clearly themselves in the foot, to make sure the 'their values' are not shared with Blacks, Browns and any 'others'.  (that may be their only differing base value I can see...)

There was a fellow who took a filet knife to us in Rolling Stone.  It's a long, but sobering read.  I'll post it in the general catagory also.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

Jim
Great article. What is remarkable is how soon China will overtake the US as the world's largest economy. With the influence of the US in the world greatly weakened by Trump, and the US divided amongst itself, this could be a painful time very soon as the US wanes economically and culturally.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/largest-global-economies-1992-2008-2024/
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