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The Foil Zone => Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP => Topic started by: Beasho on July 16, 2020, 05:32:22 AM
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I officially have 2 sessions and have leaped to “Advanced Beginner.” Need advice.
Session 1: Started 15 to 20 mph for 45 minutes. Slingshot 6.4 V2, 6’6” Easy Foiler, GoFoil Maliko 200. Wind Picked up: 20 to 30+ for 1 hour. Duotone 5.0, 6’6” Easy Foiler, GoFoil GL210. Was crushing it then got crushed.
Session 2: 12 to 20 mph for 2 hours. Slingshot 6.4 V2, 6’6” Easy Foiler, GoFoil Maliko 200. Gliding Bliss! (see below)
Plenty of Observations and Questions:
• More wind is better until it gets over 25 mph
• Bigger Foils are better M200 flew great never felt too slow GL210 was like riding a sinking windsurfer aka I need more experience
• My knees got all bloodied up. I need to go from knees to standing almost instantly to avoid this
• I am switching my feet and using footstraps I can’t even comprehend how to sail back side but as a windsurfer I am good with this
• I can now easily get up and fly goofy foot which is my surfing stance on starboard tack. I can even bear off in low wind and pump on to foil, in my mind I am flying like Piros.
• Flying on Port tack is learning to foil all over again. Hunching over bending my knees rearing up and breaching. I have to think hard to keep the nose down. Control is coming oddly from my back foot. All terrifying and fun
• 10 to 12 mph – No way. This results in a 30-degree downwind angle. Make sure there is an easy place to walk home from
• Going up wind, with enough wind, is NO PROBLEM. Way better upwind ability than a planing windsurfer.
• Check the gear – Specifically the tag attached to wrist leash. When it started gusting to 30+ my 5.0 Duotone was porpoising out of control. Up, Down, Up, Down then SNAP it went flying. 1st day on the new toy and the wind ripped it away. Fortunately I was upwind of a neighborhood and the wing went flying towards shore and smashed off some rocks and settled down. I got away with 2 small tears in the wing, retied and kept flying.
Questions:
• What next?
• Any advice for foiling on weak side? I have convinced myself this will just take time
• Jibing on foil – No Fragging way. Please Advise!
I am trying to become a professional beginner FAST
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Experience:
- 35 years Advance Windsurfer: Could Wave Sail anywhere in the world Davenport, CA, Hookipa, The Gorge could forward loop . . Experienced ALL the good and bad windsurfing can throw at you.
- 3.5 years Advanced Foil SUP’r riding everything small and big. 2 years in straps. Can power up and take off on tiny waves, can’t flat water start until I lose 20 lbs hah!
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Day 1 Winging on the 5.0 Duotone Starboard looked like this:
https://youtu.be/obEBStD-QTs
Winging Port more abusive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d__1UFAzuQo
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Amazing first sessions. All your previous experience clearly in play. Lot to discuss here but I would suggest you consider not using straps for a while. You will want to ride toeside (backside?) and it is much easier to learn without straps. Also, the easiest way to learn to switch feet on foil is by doing it first from a very narrow stance...again easier without straps.
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It is awesome to see you on the wing Beasho!
You are going to be your own best coach for a lot of this stuff. Crazy how offside will fight you even though your mind and body fully knows what to do. A few weeks will change this a lot and offside may end up feeling stronger than onside. Wonder what that will do for your other foiling!
Knees and toes. Some boards have a little grit in their pads. That can hamburger you when you are down a lot. Once you have no skin it takes a while to heal up and callous. After a year you will have hooker knees (what?).
You are off!
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Looking good there Beasho!
Looking back at how I could have improved my progression I would have spent more time riding on my weak side and learning to switch feet smoothly early on. I would also have gone to a harness as soon as I was up and riding. For just reaching back and forth hooking in will get you better performance out of your wing and double the length of your sessions. It'll feel completely natural coming from a WS background. Downwinding I never hook in but the harness is still great back support.
Jibing... just let that foil glide, a pump or two may even be helpful. The GL 210 should also help in that regard giving you more time to get back to power. Picking your patch of water so you're going downhill on exit. All the same stuff from WS.
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I gybe similar to how I did WS - back foot over to the rail, drive through the inside hip, look through the turn...
Winging needs more core stability I think to stop you being thrown off balance by the wing, and learning how to manage the wing mid gybe just needs experience.
For example, in lighter winds when apparent wind goes close to zero mid gybe, I have to give it a little push to the new side with my back hand just to get it to move over or I hold on with both hands and wait until the wind fills in from behind again and do immediate hand switch.
As per WS, gybing in wind / gust makes it easier...
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Day 1 Winging on the 5.0 Duotone Starboard looked like this:
https://youtu.be/obEBStD-QTs
Winging Port more abusive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d__1UFAzuQo
Beautiful spot. Did you see any other wingers?
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It is awesome to see you on the wing Beasho!
You are going to be your own best coach for a lot of this stuff. Crazy how offside will fight you even though your mind and body fully knows what to do. A few weeks will change this a lot and offside may end up feeling stronger than onside. Wonder what that will do for your other foiling!
Knees and toes. Some boards have a little grit in their pads. That can hamburger you when you are down a lot. Once you have no skin it takes a while to heal up and callous. After a year you will have hooker knees (what?).
You are off!
Agreed, really good start. When you get home you will be in a full suit so no problem with knees. Most wear booties here as well, so no problem with feet getting chewed up. Also lots of great sailing venues at 3rd, Coyote, harbor and Chrissy to hone your skills further. You just need some hours and you will progress naturally on your weak side. Great fast start. Ahead of the proverbial curve. Have fun.
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You are correct....weak side takes time on the water. No shortcut to feeling comfortable. For me, it was less scary weak side with my back foot not in the strap.
For sure, stop using the 200. Big fat wings, when driven by wind power under choppy waters, pick up every pulse of energy in the water, so they pulse up/down constantly as you blast across the bay. While the GL wing will cruise steady and smooth under the wave energy, making it more fun and easier to ride. You just learn to pump the GL up in the same low wind as the 200.
Jibes....it just requires you to get comfortable riding unsupported by the wing. You can turn 90 degrees, then surf downwind, then back to your original direction. Keep surfing it, until you get comfortable down wind carving back and forth. Then just take it all the way around and work on getting comfortable toe side riding.
Riding a harness locks the power in more “steady” and lets you focus more on what your feet are doing. Driving the foil and feeling it, less distracted by the wing buffeting on your arms.
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Great job! No riding advice needed. You’ll be schooling the rest of us in no time.
• My knees got all bloodied up. I need to go from knees to standing almost instantly to avoid this
Been using them since day 1. I thought they would disintegrate in the first week but for some odd reason they are still going strong. Not too bulky. Just enough pad to deal with my crap knees. Even when you improve there will be times you’re not gonna pop right up for a bunch of reasons...Just a thought.
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What DW said. 1. As soon as you are getting up reliably ditch the M200. The Axis 1020 and 920 are medium performance wings that bear some resemblance to the M200--I can't stand being on either of them. It feels like I have a wad of kelp on my foil. You're going too fast for the M200. Either switch to your GL210 or 180 or leave GoFoil behind. Yes, sucks at first, but it's literally a two-day investment to move up to a higher performance wing. I started on a GoFoil 280. I tried it a few months ago and couldn't figure out how I even used it, but for a long time, it was the only wing I could reliably get up on. You won't progress dragging huge wings around. I assume you have a pedestal tail. If you don't, get one. The huge amount of stabilizer incidence that beginner foils have cranked into them guarantee that as soon as you hit a lull you'll pitch up and then come down. It's also a big reason you can't foil well on your weak side.
This will sound weird, but you need to tune your foil setup so your front foot isn't doing all the work of keeping the foil under control. With the much higher range of speed and power the stabilizer incidence is a bigger deal. In a wave the power is coming from the foil, on a wing the power is coming from a point at least six feet higher than the foil--more like nine feet if you're overpowered and feathering over your head. Big difference. A good beginner setup has high incidence to resist that high center of thrust, but it results in high front foot pressure and a trim point that cranks in a few degrees of AOA, That works against you all the time, but it's WAY more noticeable on the weak side. When you're going from gust to lull, or when you turn downwind, the need for the stabilizer to counter the high center of effort goes away. If you turn downwind and your foil immediately rises then you've got much too much. The wing isn't shoving the nose down, so up you go. Get that incidence angle under control and your front foot is just there to stand on. You can get back to where your foot pressure is controlled by shifting forward with your hips instead of pressing and praying.
I've mentioned this elsewhere, but my front foot now needs to be behind my footstraps, on top of the handle if my rear foot is on the mast with the mast plate shoved all the way forward. What caused that radical change? A little washer.
Stick one thin washer in the front of your stabilizer and see what happens. You'll work harder to get up, but once you're up you are sliding through the water, not pushing through it. BIG difference.
Everything else is just TOW.
Oh, and foiling jibes requires that you be able to coast through the turns without wing force. Guess what happens if your foil is dragging.
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What DW said. 1. As soon as you are getting up reliably ditch the M200. The Axis 1020 and 920 are medium performance wings that bear some resemblance to the M200--I can't stand being on either of them. It feels like I have a wad of kelp on my foil. You're going too fast for the M200. Either switch to your GL210 or 180 or leave GoFoil behind. Yes, sucks at first, but it's literally a two-day investment to move up to a higher performance wing. I started on a GoFoil 280. I tried it a few months ago and couldn't figure out how I even used it, but for a long time, it was the only wing I could reliably get up on. You won't progress dragging huge wings around. I assume you have a pedestal tail. If you don't, get one. The huge amount of stabilizer incidence that beginner foils have cranked into them guarantee that as soon as you hit a lull you'll pitch up and then come down. It's also a big reason you can't foil well on your weak side.
This will sound weird, but you need to tune your foil setup so your front foot isn't doing all the work of keeping the foil under control. With the much higher range of speed and power the stabilizer incidence is a bigger deal. In a wave the power is coming from the foil, on a wing the power is coming from a point at least six feet higher than the foil--more like nine feet if you're overpowered and feathering over your head. Big difference. A good beginner setup has high incidence to resist that high center of thrust, but it results in high front foot pressure and a trim point that cranks in a few degrees of AOA, That works against you all the time, but it's WAY more noticeable on the weak side. When you're going from gust to lull, or when you turn downwind, the need for the stabilizer to counter the high center of effort goes away. If you turn downwind and your foil immediately rises then you've got much too much. The wing isn't shoving the nose down, so up you go. Get that incidence angle under control and your front foot is just there to stand on. You can get back to where your foot pressure is controlled by shifting forward with your hips instead of pressing and praying.
I've mentioned this elsewhere, but my front foot now needs to be behind my footstraps, on top of the handle if my rear foot is on the mast with the mast plate shoved all the way forward. What caused that radical change? A little washer.
Stick one thin washer in the front of your stabilizer and see what happens. You'll work harder to get up, but once you're up you are sliding through the water, not pushing through it. BIG difference.
Everything else is just TOW.
Oh, and foiling jibes requires that you be able to coast through the turns without wing force. Guess what happens if your foil is dragging.
Like this?
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Welcome to the world of fun and freakish foiling . Looks like you are doing great with only a few sessions under your belt. Its funny how impossible certain techniques seem to be and then, out of nowhere, those techniques become possible. Concentrate less on getting to that expert level and more on just enjoying the process of learning, and crashing. As it was with foiling, step by step. at incrementally slow advances. I could be wrong, but it looks like you are on the west side of the Atlantic again. I have not been making it down to RI due to this Covid thing so we might miss each other. Enjoy your wings. I know I am. And yes, as awkward as offside/weakside felt when I first started, it now feels as easy as my good side. Its not as efficient going upwind but I really suck at switchstance. Wishing I had at least been a windsurfer in my younger days.
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Like this?
Yup, though that is kind of a grande washer.
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Take my observations and advice with a grain of salt. They are based on exactly one session this morning with a 2.8 (Thanks Bill!). It went awesome as I wasn't sure I would even be able to get up to my feet. I was able to fly both directions with no issues. I will add that I did a lot of towfoiling and I am a competent strapless kitefoiler as a result. I can ride toeside with no issues and can do a flying jibe inconsistently.
• More wind is better until it gets over 25 mph
You need a smaller wing for 25. 5M wing in 25 is probably like windsurfing a 6.0 in 25. Doable but too much. You probably would have been crushing it with a 4M wing.
• My knees got all bloodied up. I need to go from knees to standing almost instantly to avoid this
Son of a bitch this is painful. I was cursing so much it would have made a sailor cry.
• I am switching my feet and using footstraps I can’t even comprehend how to sail back side but as a windsurfer I am good with this
Lose the straps (again my opinion). You have a lot more freedom to move your feet and make micro adjustments. Riding toeside will be more comfortable.
• Flying on Port tack is learning to foil all over again. Hunching over bending my knees rearing up and breaching. I have to think hard to keep the nose down. Control is coming oddly from my back foot. All terrifying and fun
Obviously this will come with time. See advice below.
• 10 to 12 mph – No way. This results in a 30-degree downwind angle. Make sure there is an easy place to walk home from
I'll be curious to see in time, how close you get to this threshold. I was surprised as the wind began to shut off how I was able to pump the wing and foil and get flying.
• Check the gear – Specifically the tag attached to wrist leash. When it started gusting to 30+ my 5.0 Duotone was porpoising out of control. Up, Down, Up, Down then SNAP it went flying.
Seeing how much the wing was flopping around today made me wonder if it was possible for the wrist leash to slip off in very strong wind.
Questions:
• Any advice for foiling on weak side? I have convinced myself this will just take time
Didn't you teach Ruby how to foil towing with a motorized dinghy? Get back on that thing and tow on your weak side. Then cross the wake and voila, you are riding toeside! Make sure you do it on your weak side just as much as your strong side.
• Jibing on foil – No Fragging way. Please Advise!
Again get towing with the dinghy! Practice stepping your back foot forward up to your front foot while staying flying. You should be able to get it real close like within 6". Then in your normal stance oscillate up and down while flying. Once you are feeling the rhythm, on the way up right before you go weightless step your back foot up to your front foot and then back before oscillating back down. Once that starts going well then you've got to go for the whole foot switch using the same process. Try to keep your torso upright and centered. Once that goes well, carve towards the wake and switch your feet before crossing it. Boom! You've done a jibe! If you want more, then try the whole process while riding toeside.
I am trying to become a professional beginner FAST
Hopefully you'll find something useful in all that. Good luck!
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I am a learning Machine: Thank you for All the Advice
1) At first I said "No Way" to knee pads. Then I bought them. Fit great. Excited to use them. I may even use them while I am surf foiling for crawling on the board. Although I don't like to fall very often :o
2) SUPladomi pushed me over the edge and I got the kids to drive the boat while I foiled regular foot (my weak side). Given that the kids can learn to foil pretty quickly behind the boat I shouldn't have much of a problem. 10 minutes per session of dragging goes a long way towards getting comfortable.
3) The wind was blowing 10 to 12. A bit light for my skills. But I took out the 35 year old Windsurfer One with a dagger-board and sailed around with the 6.4 Slingshot.
So No Wind No Problem - Use the boat
If the wind is light - Take out the Windsurfer
I am still going to use the Maliko 200 for the first several sessions but once I get a few more miles of travel I will likely swap out to the GL210.
Thank you again for all the advice. Keep it coming.
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This video was a great help and where I got the "Use a Windsurfer" advice:
https://youtu.be/mnfxe7w5rds
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Here I was flying around in what looks like Light Air. It actually was 15 to 20.
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Here I was flying around in what looks like Light Air. It actually was 15 to 20.
Looks like perfect training conditions :). How did you get the shot?
The way I see it every session is about learning/trying something. I like to think of it as the perpetual advanced beginner stage. Yesterday we were all on our small wings with 20-30 conditions. I was back to beginner status using my 3.3 Echo for the first time (first time I used anything under 4m). It was a wee bit strange the first few minutes but I slowly settled in with it and had a great time. Tacking into 30 mph winds in chop height that was 2/3rds the mast height with my “toy” wing was interesting!
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New England, specifically Eastern CT, has been terrible for this wind-wing passion and learning. 2 days on and then 4 weeks OFF.
This is the reason I moved West.
Tropical Storm turned Hurricane Isaias provided some relief. The wind jumped from 10 to 40 mph with gusts to 60. Liquid smoke. And then the power went out. Nothing to do but Downwind Connecticut Style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORDAXLTWiMk
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Looks like the conditions I'd like. For jibe learning this seems perfect. That is the light air picture
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Thank you again for all the advice. Keep it coming.
Sure, here's some advice. Don't post pictures of your feet. They are almost as ugly as mine.
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The wind is UP! First time in 5 weeks!!!!!
Yes 5 WEEKS! This is why it is so hard to learn in New England (at least Ct).
Goods news - Have 1 more hour under my belt. Took off on my weak side (Regular foot sailing Port).
NO PROBLEM! Rather I flew on the foil and didn't feel massively uncomfortable. Completed a planing jibe from Starboard(Goofy) to Port and didn't switch my feet. Went right into 'toeside sailing.' This is the only way I could understand toeside. Definitely want to be TORQUED up with wind when going into a jibe. It's nice to be planing (or foiling) with ZERO apparent wind and have the sail just gently switch over.
I took the following advice:
1) Got the knee pads - Thanks OBX
2) Ditched the M200 but it felt like a kid walking away from my blanky. Went with the GL210. Thanks Pono
3) Stayed Overpowered. Wind 15 to 25 and went with the SS V2 6.4 Meter.
4) About to add a harness line. It gets tiring when overpowered. Just have to figure out Length??? - Thanks DW
More to come. I'll take some artistic video. Try to make a 3rd session look interesting without looking like an old guy flailing around as a beginner. More to come.
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Take DW's advice on what harness lines to use (Duotone adjustable with both end adjustable. I'm using the 22-28" all the way extended). Take my advioce and find a DaKine Maniac hook. Most come with the 2" belt intended to attach the hook to a harness. I just extended the belt a bit and added velcro so I could run the belt through the included stainless steel buckle and reverse it to velcro securely. Works great and you can easily shove it out of the way to remount without board damage or all the way to the back when you just don't need the hook. I use the same belt for my board leash.
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I’m at 28” on the harness line. Adjustable is the safe bet.
We are not windsurfing or kiting, so harness does not need to be belly crushing tight to hold it in place. So my relaxed harness fit, allows my spreader bar hook to fold down when it hits the board rail. It doesn’t punch or ding the rail, or dig at the deck pad. I ignore the hook.
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Take my advioce and find a DaKine Maniac hook. Most come with the 2" belt intended to attach the hook to a harness. I just extended the belt a bit and added velcro so I could run the belt through the included stainless steel buckle and reverse it to velcro securely. Works great and you can easily shove it out of the way to remount without board damage or all the way to the back when you just don't need the hook. I use the same belt for my board leash.
We are not windsurfing or kiting, so harness does not need to be belly crushing tight to hold it in place. So my relaxed harness fit, allows my spreader bar hook to fold down when it hits the board rail. It doesn’t punch or ding the rail, or dig at the deck pad. I ignore the hook.
Now you guys tell me! Just figured out that the traditional waist harness - YES TIGHT - punches at the board everytime you get back on the board. Fortunately my board has a pad.
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3) Stayed Overpowered. Wind 15 to 25 and went with the SS V2 6.4 Meter.
Do you think you could have pumped up on foil with a smaller hand wing? 6.4m sounds huge for 15-25, even with the GL210. What’s your next size down from the 6.4m?
Used to live in Westchester County (NY) many moons ago, and drove to CT to windsurf. Summer winds were nothing or briefly screaming around storms. I feel for ya!
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Take my advioce and find a DaKine Maniac hook. Most come with the 2" belt intended to attach the hook to a harness. I just extended the belt a bit and added velcro so I could run the belt through the included stainless steel buckle and reverse it to velcro securely. Works great and you can easily shove it out of the way to remount without board damage or all the way to the back when you just don't need the hook. I use the same belt for my board leash.
Got one, and used the hook today for first time. Couple questions. Did I read earlier that you opened the hook up a bit? And any tips on getting the harness line in and out of the hook while riding? Haha I was able to get it in after a few attempts, but then couldn't get it to come out. Then I fell and it was even harder to unhook it! Haha! (Using the stock f-one harness line)
Also can you post a pic of how you extended the belt/webbing the hook comes with? I used some other webbing that I had made a freedive weight belt with, but not sure if I trust the plastic clasps I used...
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I’m at 28” on the harness line. Adjustable is the safe bet.
We are not windsurfing or kiting, so harness does not need to be belly crushing tight to hold it in place.
I'm not sure how long this is. It felt "OK" but looks like a late 70's homemade attempt at a harness line. Floppy, too wide . . . . ADVICE?
What I realized is that without the harness "foil-winging" fells like Wave Sailing (with a Windsurfer). When doing true down the line wave sailing you can't stay in your harness. You unhook and dance down the line with the wave, board and sail. 2 hours and you're cooked. You only hook back in to sail out to sea and rest. With the harness, in flat water, you could sail for 4 to 5 hours without simply falling over from exhaustion.
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Not quite SupTheCreek quality solo shot but this was TimeLapse Fishers Island Sound.
1st Half Session #3 on the wing. Blowing 15 to 25 mph. Slingshot V2 6.4 and GoFoil GL210 with Easy Foiler 6' 6" board.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ann1eLk6H1o
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I was flying high then CRUSHED!
3rd reach. 3/4 mile out and I catch the edge of sail. Fly into and land on wing. All was good. Looked around nothing wrong. So I roll off the wing and my board is upside down. Wind catches wing it flies into air and hits board / rig upside down Kaboom. 💣
Always be sure to have the exit plan. Fortunately the tide was ebbing INTO the wind. I might have washed up a couple miles away but was able to swim back to the starting point.
Rookie Move!!!!!
When the board flips over --> GET THE FOIL UNDERWATER FAST!!!!!
Who fixes these? I suspect 1) New Bladder 2) Send to Big Winds for repair (???)
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Yup! Almost same thing happened to me yesterday. Fell, came to surface, saw my board upside down next to wing, and before I could do anything watched it tip over onto wing. Stab through the wing, then a wind gust lifted the wing so the other side of stab could make another hole....
Currently looking for someone on Oahu who does repairs. It's a little more than my caveman handiwork can fix.
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https://fixmykite.com/
Jeff Howard in Corpus.
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I've had wings repaired by Airtime in Hood River and Northshore Kite Repair in Maui. Both places do first-rate work.
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https://fixmykite.com/
Jeff Howard in Corpus.
Just spoke with Richard and sent out my Wing.
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Wind picked up. I was on the backup wing. 5.0 Duotone.
Planned out the session. This means doing calculations on wind, current and WTF can go wrong.
Things almost went very wrong. I had to self rescue when the current was dragging me East and then the wind shifted from Westerly to Northwest and started blowing me towards Rhode Island.
1 - Sailed to the South
2- Pointed North, wind shifted North West
3- Very Quick puff meant I could point up and hit the Morgan Point Lighthouse. Thanks to Jesus
4- I paddeld laying on the board for 3/4 of a mile upwind for 45 minutes to Esker point
5- I ran home in bare-feet for 1.3 miles
Arse kicked licking wounds
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If I hadn't hit the Morgan Point Lighthouse I would have gone across the Mystic River to Enders Island. Doesn't look far but it would have been a 9 mile loop (in Purple) to get back home. My iWatch was NOT yet activated. Lesson learned.
More on that next.
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After the self rescue I needed a little bit of recovery. So I packed up my gear, on my bicycle, and peddled to the other side of the point. To hide from the current.
Successful Dry hair Session. With the boom and the Duotone managed to jibe without falling in (ever, not once).
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Then this. One week later. Windy day 15 to 22 (maybe 25)
16.9 miles on the foil. I am feeling comfortable on Regular Foot sailing port tack. 6.4 Slingshot v2 WITH A HARNESS (Than you DW). GoFoil Maliko 200. Big Slow Wing.
Wing blowing Southeast. Switching feet. The only time I go "Toeside" is when jibing and not switching my feet. Toe-Side is ridiculous. Utterly insane. I could see 'maybe' going toeside with the sail fully luffed when riding a wave. Otherwise in flat water TOTALLY INEFFICIENT. Learn how to switch your feet.
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A few miles on foil is pretty crazy man. These are the numbers I’m looking for.
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Then this. One week later. Windy day 15 to 22 (maybe 25)
I am feeling comfortable on Regular Foot sailing port tack.
Switching feet. The only time I go "Toeside" is when jibing and not switching my feet. Toe-Side is ridiculous. Utterly insane. I could see 'maybe' going toeside with the sail fully luffed when riding a wave. Otherwise in flat water TOTALLY INEFFICIENT. Learn how to switch your feet.
Wow great progress, that's a lot of miles early on, super!
Did you hear what we witnessed out at the point last week? They were all riding toeside.
Does anyone foil waves and switch feet?
Yes, switching feet is great, I wish I was better at it.
AND we bought wings to ride waves. Unless it's a long backhand no cutback point break need to ride toeside to foil waves, Much easier to learn toeside in flat water...
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[quote author=Beasho link=topic=36274.msg421003#msg421003 da
Did you hear what we witnessed out at the point last week? They were all riding toeside.
Does anyone foil waves and switch feet?
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Yes! Your customer Westendorf reported wings flying in harmony on the point for the first time Evah!
Really cool.
And Yes I will be switching feet.
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Then this. One week later. Windy day 15 to 22 (maybe 25)
16.9 miles on the foil. I am feeling comfortable on Regular Foot sailing port tack. 6.4 Slingshot v2 WITH A HARNESS (Than you DW). GoFoil Maliko 200. Big Slow Wing.
Wing blowing Southeast. Switching feet. The only time I go "Toeside" is when jibing and not switching my feet. Toe-Side is ridiculous. Utterly insane. I could see 'maybe' going toeside with the sail fully luffed when riding a wave. Otherwise in flat water TOTALLY INEFFICIENT. Learn how to switch your feet.
Great progress!
I have this practice thing where I’ll switch feet every 10 sec on a given tack (around 5 times in quick succession), in choppy water on an 75cm mast,....maintaining a pretty high point of sail (pinched upwind) the whole time, or slightly more broad reach with more speed. You actually can do ok with toeside efficiency when needed. When you start tacking, especially heel-to-toeside, you’ll definitely appreciate having that toeside riding efficiency already mastered!
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Toe-Side is ridiculous. Utterly insane. I could see 'maybe' going toeside with the sail fully luffed when riding a wave. Otherwise in flat water TOTALLY INEFFICIENT.
You will end up finding toeside super efficient, even in very light wind. These foils are ridiculous in what points of sail they will allow compared to windsurfing for instance. Even if you were riding toeside on both reaches you could stay much higher than you needed to for any wave spot. For sub foiling conditions, up and down or touring you definitely want to know how to ride heelside as well.