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Title: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 06, 2020, 04:56:54 PM
Wanted to get some input on this as I am just beginning to explore downwind/swell riding.  I have found the easiest is to just hold the wing horizontally overhead with both hands. Works ok but zero style points.  Today I worked on complete flag out by grabbing leading edge handle as I turned downwind while toeside on a swell and pumped a few times to keep going but I had limited success regrabbing my wing to power up again and usually crashed.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 06, 2020, 05:13:46 PM
Phils,

I am working on that same thing exactly and in the same way...and I have been getting stuck at that spot exactly.  I think I figured out (a part of) my problem today.  If I jybe to toeside and go downwind with both hands on the wing, the power from the wing stays forward.  That holds the nose down and it works great.  But...when I have been going for the leading edge handle my back hand goes to the handle and I have been bringing the handle back to my hip.  It just feels comfortable there, but that lets the node ride up and it doesn't stay together for long.  Today I made a conscious effort to get my weight forward.  My thought was, "stop sailing, start surfing".  I only had one success today and it was brief but it was definitely an improvement.  I am not sure what the exact sequence will be but I feel like the answer is right there.  Watch for a lot of explosions this week :).  By months end we will be on the handle!
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 06, 2020, 05:31:25 PM
There is a video on FB of Brandon Scheid at the Hatchery posted a couple of days ago which I found very helpful and inspiring.  I have no clue how to post it here.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 06, 2020, 05:43:56 PM
https://www.facebook.com/brandon.scheid.1/videos/10102066706482528
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 06, 2020, 05:45:57 PM
There is a video on FB of Brandon Scheid at the Hatchery posted a couple of days ago which I found very helpful and inspiring.  I have no clue how to post it here.

You can paste the url from any video source into our text field.  No tags are required.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Thatspec on July 06, 2020, 06:39:08 PM
If I jybe to toeside and go downwind with both hands on the wing, the power from the wing stays forward.  That holds the nose down and it works great.  But...when I have been going for the leading edge handle my back hand goes to the handle and I have been bringing the handle back to my hip.  It just feels comfortable there, but that lets the node ride up and it doesn't stay together for long. 

Getting "back to power" from the leading edge handle is still a very tricky thing for me and is causing a large percentage of my re-starts. Part of your brain has to always be driving that foil regardless of what your hands might need to do. Dropping to the leading edge handle is sort of the ultimate commitment. Maybe transitioning back to the power handles well before you need them would be a good way to develop the muscle memory for when you need them "right now" (I end up in some awkward positions waiting too long). On the other hand, my pumping has improved significantly just refusing to go back to power (the lemon board has also helped).

I say this after every run but todays Viento / HR run was my best ever. So far I haven't had to deflate and prone paddle out of a single downwinder, I think in general it's pretty safe. Totally safe actually this time of year, just a risk of inconvenience. If you guys are interested in doing a run just let me know, I don't get in a hurry, just go until my back thigh is throbbing then sit on my board for a bit. When I go with the paddlers it's not so relaxing, they generally time it and race. Would be fun to do a wing only run sometime :)




Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: PonoBill on July 06, 2020, 07:15:45 PM
What you do with the wind depends on wind speed. If the wind is a lot faster than the swells them you can let the wind wander out in front of you. When you need it, pull it UP first. If you pull it too you and try to get to the power handles it will be too close and you'll lean forward over it into a bad balance position. Pull it up, turn a little bit in the direction you want to go, and get the handles--front first.

If the wind is slower than you are going in a bump the wing will be behind or to the side of you. Again, lift it up over your head before you go for the handles. If the wing is behind you, you need to turn a lot harder across the swell to get close to the reach position. If you don't, the wing will pull you off the board.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 06, 2020, 07:16:33 PM
If I jybe to toeside and go downwind with both hands on the wing, the power from the wing stays forward.  That holds the nose down and it works great.  But...when I have been going for the leading edge handle my back hand goes to the handle and I have been bringing the handle back to my hip.  It just feels comfortable there, but that lets the node ride up and it doesn't stay together for long. 

.... Maybe transitioning back to the power handles well before you need them would be a good way to develop the muscle memory for when you need them "right now" ....

This is exactly what my rational brain tells me but it is so much fun to try and get one more pump in.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 06, 2020, 07:43:04 PM
What you do with the wind depends on wind speed. If the wind is a lot faster than the swells them you can let the wind wander out in front of you. When you need it, pull it UP first. If you pull it too you and try to get to the power handles it will be too close and you'll lean forward over it into a bad balance position. Pull it up, turn a little bit in the direction you want to go, and get the handles--front first.

If the wind is slower than you are going in a bump the wing will be behind or to the side of you. Again, lift it up over your head before you go for the handles. If the wing is behind you, you need to turn a lot harder across the swell to get close to the reach position. If you don't, the wing will pull you off the board.

Good stuff, thanks.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: PonoBill on July 06, 2020, 09:07:52 PM
Wow, my spelling on the post sucked to the point that it's hardly comprehensible to ME.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Solent Foiler on July 06, 2020, 11:21:07 PM
Exploring the same here too. The issue I have is that I don't get any decent size bumps so have to rely on overspeeding downwind during the bear away by really hanging off the wing hard and pumping before coming back onto the wind and powering back up again. I've described it before as putting down a top and bottom turn on a wave, and I'm trying to extend the gap between the two with not much success. Each time I depower, I slow down so quickly, that I almost immediately have to put that bottom turn in. I've resorted to holding on the wing with both hands and feathering the power, with wing overhead, which allows longer rides. Not sure if the foil is helping much - currently smallish low aspect surf foil - but new high aspect foils are arriving soon, so will soon know.

I could wing to an area with better bumps but it's a bit committing and would take me quite far away from home and across a major shipping channel. A future adventure...
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 07, 2020, 12:09:41 AM
If I jybe to toeside and go downwind with both hands on the wing, the power from the wing stays forward.  That holds the nose down and it works great.  But...when I have been going for the leading edge handle my back hand goes to the handle and I have been bringing the handle back to my hip.  It just feels comfortable there, but that lets the node ride up and it doesn't stay together for long. 

.... Maybe transitioning back to the power handles well before you need them would be a good way to develop the muscle memory for when you need them "right now" ....

This is exactly what my rational brain tells me but it is so much fun to try and get one more pump in.

I like that idea, Thatspec.  I am going to try it.

That video is so chill because when he goes to the handle he is mostly cruising and doing little maintenance pumps.  It makes me recognize that in an effort to pick up this skill I am forcing pumps where they don't belong.  I need to commit more and start trying the handle in better swell. 

Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: obxDave on July 07, 2020, 12:53:18 AM
Not sure if the foil is helping much - currently smallish low aspect surf foil - but new high aspect foils are arriving soon, so will soon know.

Which high aspect foils do you have on order?
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Solent Foiler on July 07, 2020, 01:03:48 AM
Not sure if the foil is helping much - currently smallish low aspect surf foil - but new high aspect foils are arriving soon, so will soon know.

Which high aspect foils do you have on order?

That's a little story in itself but short answer is the Gong Veloce L and XL. I'm basically on a flat water spot which would suit them but I was really torn between the Veloce and less extreme Curve / Pro foils but HA seems to be the way things are headed and won't be a prohibitively expensive mistake if I don't get on with them.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: obxDave on July 07, 2020, 02:26:31 AM
Not sure if the foil is helping much - currently smallish low aspect surf foil - but new high aspect foils are arriving soon, so will soon know.

Which high aspect foils do you have on order?

That's a little story in itself but short answer is the Gong Veloce L and XL. I'm basically on a flat water spot which would suit them but I was really torn between the Veloce and less extreme Curve / Pro foils but HA seems to be the way things are headed and won't be a prohibitively expensive mistake if I don't get on with them.

Cool :).  Do you expect them to arrive soon? Still very new so Iíve only seen a couple of quick reviews so far. They should be great for pumping and downwinding.

Back on subject; Iím just riding in flat water for now and during every session I always practice some occasional  ďrelease and pumpĒ (point downwind, go to one handed wing luff and pump the foil since I donít really have any sizable bumps to work with). I figure that luffed downwind pumping is good practice for luffed swell/wave riding.  I donít always get that far but Iím getting more comfortable with it. My Moses W1100 actually pumps really well and I think my technique is slowly improving over time
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Solent Foiler on July 07, 2020, 03:12:19 AM

Cool :).  Do you expect them to arrive soon? Still very new so Iíve only seen a couple of quick reviews so far. They should be great for pumping and downwinding.


The front wings arrived yesterday, but that's only half of the order. The remaining parts are currently in a container which SHOULD arrive at Gong on Thursday.

I hope that they are not a one trick pony, and they are still fairly manoeuvrable, which the chat on their website says they are. I've found Gong's description of their products to be pretty accurate so although a bit of a punt given lack of feedback, I've no reason not to trust them. Just need to build the skills to release their potential!

Will feedback here whatever the outcome... I have two images in my head:
1) me flying around at insane speeds ripping it up with a massive grin on my face
2) making massive splashes falling from 1m+ up at insane speed...
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 07, 2020, 03:40:10 AM
Watching Brandon's video again carefully, he powers up his wing about 15 seconds in and the way he does it puts him on the opposite tack so he has basically done a downwind transition.    I think what I will start working on is doing some downwind transitions this way.  Instead of the usual carve and flip wing, go downwind on swell and/or pump while flagging out BRIEFLY,  then repower on the opposite tack.  As was suggested by Thatspec, this approach should develop DW riding techniques.  There are extra hand movements involved which can be practiced on land first.

Obviously, foils with good glide will make this much easier.  Yesterday, I was on my Armstrong 1600.  I have the new HS 1850 on order which should glide and pump better. 
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Solent Foiler on July 07, 2020, 03:52:53 AM
Yes - that's something I've been doing as well. Diving off downwind, going past dead downwind (ie gybing) but not flipping the wing or swapping feet and then coming back again. That's just to spend time in that zone where the wind comes from one side and then the other and getting used to the feel of it...

What I need to work into that is getting the wing flagged, but I need to power up again so quickly that not been able to get my head around the hand movements. One thing I noticed that Robert Stehlik does to control his duotone is hold the boom and pull the leading edge into his bicep which is something I might need to do with the Pulse too.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 07, 2020, 04:27:27 AM
Yes - that's something I've been doing as well. Diving off downwind, going past dead downwind (ie gybing) but not flipping the wing or swapping feet and then coming back again. That's just to spend time in that zone where the wind comes from one side and then the other and getting used to the feel of it...

What I need to work into that is getting the wing flagged, but I need to power up again so quickly that not been able to get my head around the hand movements. One thing I noticed that Robert Stehlik does to control his duotone is hold the boom and pull the leading edge into his bicep which is something I might need to do with the Pulse too.

Hand movements:  This is what I see on the video.  He is riding left foot forward with left hand on flag out handle, so basically toeside, left foot forward.  He brings the wing up closer to himself, then his right hand grabs the front power handle, then his left hand grabs the same front power handle and his right hand goes to the back power handle.  Now he is effectively riding heel side, left foot forward.

So the entire down transition would be:  start by riding toeside, left foot forward.  Flag out with wing in left hand while going down wind.  Repower so you are riding heel side, left foot forward.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 07, 2020, 07:25:05 AM
He's goofy foot but this kid is like a Masterclass.

https://www.facebook.com/fonesup/videos/603763193483215
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Thatspec on July 07, 2020, 09:23:53 AM
Yes - that's something I've been doing as well. Diving off downwind, going past dead downwind (ie gybing) but not flipping the wing or swapping feet and then coming back again. That's just to spend time in that zone where the wind comes from one side and then the other and getting used to the feel of it...




I will do this as well sometimes, usually when there is just one swell and no obvious path within a 'set'. Another effective tool that simplifies the 'getting back to power' issue, lower the wing but keep your front hand on the power handle. It sits there almost as nicely as using the LE handle but makes it much simpler to re-power with only the back handle to re-grab. Probably brand specific, my S25 sits nicely (as does the Gong) though this tends to wear the skin off your knuckles more quickly.

In this last Titouan video Admin posted, you see at one point an issue Bill describes earlier. The wing often (very) won't sit there so nice and pretty while holding the LE handle. It likes to twist sideways or worse, 'wallpaper' you when you outrun the wind. Seems to happen mostly going through Swell and the Hatchery when there are the most windsurfers per square meter. Usually I'm in a hurry to get through there due to the crowds but a little more back and forth would add some wind to support the wing. Very often I'm switching hands on the LE handle while cutting back and forth across the larger swells and this is the arguably the best feeling of the entire experience for me. Other times I get going too fast to even think about turning tightly :o

Had a near incident at Swell yesterday with a person who misjudged my 20+ downwind speed and insisted on going downwind of me. Screwed up my rhythm and I went in three more times in the next mile :'(

There are points in this downwinding process where we are far and away the least maneuverable craft and and cannot give way. The lawn mowing windsurfers want to use their 50 yard patch of longitude all day, I need it for about 15 seconds ::)
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: PonoBill on July 07, 2020, 10:38:31 AM
He's goofy foot but this kid is like a Masterclass.

That's like watching video of YoYo Ma to learn to play Cello.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: RobM on July 07, 2020, 10:41:24 AM

Had a near incident at Swell yesterday with a person who misjudged my 20+ downwind speed and insisted on going downwind of me. Screwed up my rhythm and I went in three more times in the next mile :'(

There are points in this downwinding process where we are far and away the least maneuverable craft and and cannot give way. The lawn mowing windsurfers want to use their 50 yard patch of longitude all day, I need it for about 15 seconds ::)

B#$%trd windsurfers!   I used to be one those guys  😜.  Tried wsurfing after about 8 months of winging a few weeks ago, not sure I'll ever go back!  Winging is soooo good!!!
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: PonoBill on July 07, 2020, 11:13:09 AM
Back on subject; Iím just riding in flat water for now and during every session I always practice some occasional  ďrelease and pumpĒ (point downwind, go to one handed wing luff and pump the foil since I donít really have any sizable bumps to work with). I figure that luffed downwind pumping is good practice for luffed swell/wave riding.  I donít always get that far but Iím getting more comfortable with it. My Moses W1100 actually pumps really well and I think my technique is slowly improving over time

Oooh! That sounds like exactly what I need to do, only we've got plenty of bumps.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: maiz on July 08, 2020, 07:52:26 AM
Great ideas posted here, this forum is awesome! And thanks for bringing up this topic.

I started spreading my wing a few weeks ago and while zig-zagging across the river makes an intricate (not necessarily pretty) knot, flying down wind is next. I'm looking for folks to meet up and ride downwind. @thatspec, @admin, who else is in the gorge?

First d/w sessions will be, let's say...informative. I'll find a groove, been kiting since '06 with 2 years on foil.

Cheers!


Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Thatspec on July 08, 2020, 09:10:21 AM
I'm looking for folks to meet up and ride downwind. @thatspec, @admin, who else is in the gorge?

First d/w sessions will be, let's say...informative. I'll find a groove, been kiting since '06 with 2 years on foil.

Cheers!

Heck, it looks like you went two miles longer in that session than a Viento to HR run. Should be no problem for you.
Send me a PM, I'm going generally every other day. Today is on somewhere though I have an appt. down in Carson so not sure where or when.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: maiz on July 08, 2020, 09:18:46 AM
Wish I could peel away from work every other day early enough to get out there. Friday looking more promising than today.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 08, 2020, 10:35:52 AM
Great ideas posted here, this forum is awesome! And thanks for bringing up this topic.

I started spreading my wing a few weeks ago and while zig-zagging across the river makes an intricate (not necessarily pretty) knot, flying down wind is next. I'm looking for folks to meet up and ride downwind. @thatspec, @admin, who else is in the gorge?

First d/w sessions will be, let's say...informative. I'll find a groove, been kiting since '06 with 2 years on foil.

Cheers!
My wife and I are at the gorge. We r at ES/Jensen almost every day
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Thatspec on July 08, 2020, 10:46:45 AM
Well the weekend is looking windy at least :) It also looks like tomorrow has better potential for DW-ing than today anyway. Probably will do a short session somewhere though and work on my weak side...
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: PonoBill on July 08, 2020, 02:01:50 PM
Great session at Swell City today, chasing bumps. There were some hefty waist-high chunkies coming through, thick and powerful at the bottom, pointy and feathering on top. If I had straps it would have been a good day to jump.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 08, 2020, 04:22:34 PM
Played with grabbing front power handle with downwind hand, releasing back hand, pumping a couple of times and then powering up.  Worked really well today and easier than I anticipated.   
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 09, 2020, 03:47:29 AM
Played with grabbing front power handle with downwind hand, releasing back hand, pumping a couple of times and then powering up.  Worked really well today and easier than I anticipated.

Phils,

I am not following.  Are you jibing to toeside and keeping your front hand on the power handle like Thatspec had mentioned?  I tried that yesterday on a swell and linked a few "jibeless jibes" with it yesterday. 

We had a really fun 4.2 session at Swell yesterday.  I am in for a downwinder on a cool day or pretty early when it is still cool. 
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 09, 2020, 04:40:18 AM
Not sure who suggested it but this worked great for me:  while riding toe side (left foot forward), I do a modified flag out by grabbing the front power handle with my left hand while keeping my right hand free.  Pump a few times while going downwind and then as I lose glide, I spin the wing and quickly grab the back power handle with my free right hand and power up in the opposite tack. So I ride away heel side (still left foot forward).   

So it is basically a toeside to heelside carving transition but you draw out the downwind part of the carve and ride one handed for a bit.   Surprisingly easy since it is only 2 hand movements.   Doing the same type of sequence but actually flagging out with the leading edge handle takes several more hand movements and my success rate was much lower.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 09, 2020, 05:05:51 AM
Ah, got it.  That is similar to what I was trying as well but I guess I simplified it even further by not switching hands jibing to toeside.  I just kept the left hand on the front handle, let go with the back hand and turned to past downwind and back.  It worked well the first time.  Then I milked it for too long a few times and lost it.  I also over accelerated on a swell and lost it.  More today...
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 09, 2020, 05:43:48 AM
Admin, I think what you are doing is actually more difficult and it's great that you can pull it off.  At my lack of skill level, changing tacks is quicker and much easier.  If during the one handed riding phase, your left hand is on the front handle, that left hand has to get back to the rear handle to power up while maintaining the same tack.  It is much easier to keep the left hand on the front handle and just spin the wing with it while grabbing the rear handle with your free right hand.  This powers you up quickly but you do end up changing tacks.  Of course, all this only works if you are using the power handles.  There are several more hand movements involved if you use the leading edge handle.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 09, 2020, 06:52:04 AM
I am jibing (starting like a jibe) and letting go with the back hand and luffing while riding downwind from the left hand on the front handle only.  That lets me turn from downwind on one tack to downwind on the other and back without ever changing hands or grabbing the rear handle.  My only successful exits from that so far have been ending with a heelside turn and grabbing the back handle again with my right hand (on the original reach).  Today I am going to try ending as a jibe to the new reach which will mean that I need to switch hands at the end.

If I understand you correctly you are jibing and completing your hand switch (both hands) and then switching your your front hand back from right hand on the front handle to left hand on the front handle.  I think the difference is that you are initiating after a completed jibe and hand switch and I am doing it straight form the jibe with no hand switch.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 09, 2020, 06:56:33 AM
Ok, sorry but I think I finally understand.  You go to one handed riding from heelside.  Everything I described is going to one hand from toeside so the luffing wing is mostly behind me.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 09, 2020, 07:14:43 AM
Ok, sorry but I think I finally understand.  You go to one handed riding from heelside.  Everything I described is going to one hand from toeside so the luffing wing is mostly behind me.

Yes, it results in the same position (left hand on the front handle only riding toeside) but it is even simpler because it eliminates the hand switch as your left hand is already in place on the front handle coming straight out of the jibe.  One less thing for me to blow :).  I do have to start the jibe with the front hand underhand though.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 17, 2020, 03:44:51 AM
How good is this?

https://www.facebook.com/brandon.scheid.1/videos/10102079529510078
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 17, 2020, 06:43:15 AM
That video is fantastic.

I am pleased with my progress since starting this topic.  What helped most was committing to the handle, even if for very brief periods of time.  For practice and unless I am under powered, I do my transitions in either direction via the handle.   Build up some speed as I head down wind and look for a bump, grab handle with down wind hand, head straight down wind and then finish my gybe with the extra hand movements needed.  High success rate unless I stay on the handle too long and stall.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on July 27, 2020, 08:01:54 AM
Practicing going to the handle on a calm East wind at Viento. This seemed so hard a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: PonoBill on July 27, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
Okay, I've got to quit screwing around with switchfoot jibes and commit to this. I also need to figure out a reasonable way to shuttle for downwind. I'm thinking I can finish outfitting my fat tire ebike for carrying all my foil stuff so I can lock it to a post about anywhere.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on July 28, 2020, 01:42:23 AM
Looks great Phils!  I have been doing the hand pass on the LE handle.  I was fumbling too much on that little strut handle.  Two days ago (very smooth 4.2 with a gentle Easterly swell) I ended up accidentally walking the dog a few times before the crash.  Consistency is getting better with this.  Super fun to work on.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on August 01, 2020, 07:44:32 AM
Starting to put it all together.  Plus the magical Armstrong 1850.

https://www.facebook.com/phil.seu.58/videos/771379353634181
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Thatspec on August 01, 2020, 08:58:09 AM
Nice video Phils :)
Was that you two days ago over in the White Salmon waves around 4? I didn't recognize the board but you looked familiar.

We did Celilo to Rufus again yesterday and it was highest stress run yet. Through Hells Gate was super light wind (for the 3.6) along with much of the way to the Maryhill bridge. Had to do the first half almost completely under wing power, really no rideable waves. Good practice I guess but not really what I'm looking for there. It's 13 miles under paddle power but I clocked 21.4 miles going back and forth so much.

From the bridge down past Rufus though was the usual classic huge smooth rollers, even a mile of that makes it all worthwhile. We should do an all wing downwinder some time this summer.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Phils on August 01, 2020, 09:24:02 AM
Yes Thatspec, that was me the other day.  I was inspired by watching you riding down wind that day.   I would be interested in a big group DWer
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: PonoBill on August 01, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
Next week looks kind of skanky, which is weird for this time of year. Light and gusty. I'm going to set up for solo shuttling with my eBike. I have to take all this COVID shit seriously since my wife has type 1 diabetes. She points out that I'm theoretically at greater risk than her given my age, but I'm invulnerable.
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: Admin on August 02, 2020, 02:16:08 AM
Next week looks kind of skanky, which is weird for this time of year. Light and gusty.

I think you read the forecast for Montana :).  We have 4 days of steady 20's coming with a possible nuker on Thursday. 

For the downwinding/one handing, I am pretty stoked with the progress.  I realized that my biggest problem was trying to force it where it didn't belong and make it happen with pumping alone.  When I focused on one-handing when I was already angled in and already gliding on a decent swell it clicked.  Yesterday was really goofy wind but there were fun, organized and lined up swell in the channel.  I got gliding on a few, dropped the wing and rode angled in for a long while and got the wing back in hand.  A few really good explosions as well  when I let it go too straight down the face :). 
Title: Re: Downwind riding techniques
Post by: PonoBill on August 02, 2020, 08:35:07 AM
Yeah, the biggest problem with the transition from wing power to swell power is overfoiling and a huge explosion since I'm going fast, on a long mast, that just popped out on top of a waist-high swell. Like falling off a ladder. Not what I expected even after doing the same thing in Maui waves and swell. The amount of lift and power on a swell face is always more than I expect. When I come over the top of a swell and concentrate on getting to the leading edge handle I faceplant every time. I have to either look for a low spot in the swell or get over the top and on the face and settle down (stop screaming!) before I do the transition. I'm sure we can get to the current Chris Anderson level with practice, though of course by that time he'll be off to the new CA level.
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