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Stand Up Paddle => Technique => Topic started by: SoFloSupChick on June 25, 2020, 05:52:45 PM
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Somehow I came across this article, and I thought it was pretty interesting: https://www.magzter.com/article/Boating-Sailing/SUP-International/Paddle-Technique-Its-Not-About-The-Hinge-Its-All-Torque
He’s proposing a different stroke technique, other than what’s commonly coached, and more like cross country double-pole skiing.
I wish the article had diagrams of some sort, because sometimes I had hard times figuring out what he’s trying to say exactly, but I think I got the general gist.
So for the last couple of days I’ve been trying it, and it’s been a pretty positive experience. I looked up a video of the skiing double pole technique, and was kind of basing it it off of that (https://youtu.be/XgWC53_kstA). So instead of “reaching” and “digging in”, I focused more on dropping the upper shoulder, and using the hip hinge movement a lot more, so it ended up feeling a lot like a kettlebell swing movement.
I haven’t timed myself or anything like that, but in terms of speed it felt pretty comparable to the other way. But my lower back and bum shoulder were SIGNIFICANTLY happier doing it this way.
I wonder if anyone else came across or tried this method, or has any thoughts?
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My off season training is Nordic skiing and the double pole is very similar to SUP without any twisting action.
It is great cross training for those in the areas that get winters.
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I can see it being applied, but the standard paddle angle would have to change. I not sure about clean water entry with an increased paddle angle? There's something to be gained in the un-weighting of the board. Some paddlers gained speed by bobbing or pumping their boards.
Basically it's pushing more than pulling.
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As a "double poler" I can see the connection. I've been trying to emulate the pole plant with the paddle; however, on a paddle board you are not 'clipped in' like skis so that sense of being anchored while transferring weight is difficult on SUP. I keep telling myself 'weight transfer' hoping something will stick.
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Check out analysis of Connor Baxter's stroke. Plant the paddle and pull forward. There are some great vids out there.
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Have you all watch this recent video?
https://www.paddlemonster.com/2021/03/04/nordic-double-polling-for-paddle-boarders/ (https://www.paddlemonster.com/2021/03/04/nordic-double-polling-for-paddle-boarders/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJlQ0uaBz_M&feature=emb_imp_woyt
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Have you all watch this recent video?
I don't like it. I can usually go to a paddle board race (in the East Coast of the US) and either win or come in top 3 on a 12 foot plastic windsurfer. Mostly because people don't have good paddle stroke techniques. This is going to make them faster.
I still think this video of Kai Lenny in Fiji was the most impressive display of paddling speed and efficiency EVER!
I call this "Leave No Trace." His board doesn't bob or weave and his paddle leaves (almost) no bubble trail. Pure speed and grace.
High Resolution version here:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1174595722624477
Youtube below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpCZO6BV2WM
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Great video. I come at it from the opposite end, as a 6 day/week nordic skier using SUP as an offseason training tool. Since I started paddling flatwater SUP, I hit the start of Nordic season in waaaay better shape for double poling. Interesting to see it being used the other direction.
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I still think this video of Kai Lenny in Fiji was the most impressive display of paddling speed and efficiency EVER!
I call this "Leave No Trace." His board doesn't bob or weave and his paddle leaves (almost) no bubble trail. Pure speed and grace.
Also interesting, is that Kai has a longer paddle stroke that all of the others in the vid. If you look closely, Kai actually takes his paddle stroke past his feet, compared to the others who are doing the much talked about, "the power stroke ends at your feet" method. This ever so slight difference in paddle stroke length, is giving him just that added little difference in distance traveled per stroke.
I didn't count them, but I bet all those paddlers were very similar in stroke cadence, and that extra added power stroke length that Kai was employing compared to the others was what made up a big part of him making up an other wise insurmountable rally to the win.