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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: flkiter on June 22, 2020, 09:20:39 AM
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https://live2kite.com/collections/sup-foil-wings/products/s-series-1150mm-carbon-front-wing
They're coming next month.
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Theyre fast for a big wing, but VERY pitchy with a short fuse and sich a large straight wing
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CCSVIeKjQ9c/?igshid=1v6ybg31xw3ft
More vids to come. Makes the unrideable become rideable.
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Whoa, nice pumping skills & video! What size board were you on?
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5'8" 110 liter DWF board. I'm about 170 lbs. Trick is to not paddle a lot and get a long smooth stroke so the foil can do its thing. Instant lift and glide when it happens.
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5'8" 110 liter DWF board. I'm about 170 lbs. Trick is to not paddle a lot and get a long smooth stroke so the foil can do its thing. Instant lift and glide when it happens.
Is the S1150 easier to get flying than the S1020?
I have been trying to do a flat water start with the S1020 without success , I am 190 lbs.
All the guys that can do a flat water start with the S1020 are lighter so I figure I need something bigger/better to pull it off!
All the small wings that Axis came out with the last year seem to be suitable for proners and sub 170 lbs suppers only , especially if you don't have decent waves!
I am already considering getting a big wing from another brand now that I heard that it will take till the end off August to get a 1150..
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5'8" 110 liter DWF board. I'm about 170 lbs. Trick is to not paddle a lot and get a long smooth stroke so the foil can do its thing. Instant lift and glide when it happens.
Is the S1150 easier to get flying than the S1020?
I have been trying to do a flat water start with the S1020 without success , I am 190 lbs.
All the guys that can do a flat water start with the S1020 are lighter so I figure I need something bigger/better to pull it off!
All the small wings that Axis came out with the last year seem to be suitable for proners and sub 170 lbs suppers only , especially if you don't have decent waves!
I am already considering getting a big wing from another brand now that I heard that it will take till the end off August to get a 1150..
The 1150 glides further per pump and has a super slow stall rate probly better than the 1020 but with high aspect foils, you get a lot of flat area in the front of the wing that makes paddling onto foil in flat water difficult. The 1010 would actually be easier to paddle in flat water than the 1150 due to this. If I'm in a wave that is clean with a gradual steepness then I go 1010 or 910 since I can paddle those faster. If there's a good amount of steepness like a shore break or white wash then 1150 for sure since I can use the drop or push from the wash to get my speed up.
So just going to a bigger wing isn't going to pop you up onto foil, other things to take into account. Size of paddle board you're using, pump rhythm to paddle rhythm, endurance.
The first time I got on one of DWF's boards, I tried his 5'11" and with a Neil Pryde Large wing, I could feel the set up wanting to pop up onto foil in the flat water so I think board shape and size is almost more important than the foil itself when doing flat water starts.
I forgot to mention, the 1010 replaced my 1020 in my quiver. The stuff that I had to work and pump hard for with the 1020/1010, became easy with the 1150.
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I have flat water started the 1150, 1020, and even the 82! (Just barely, and only once. But im still claiming it) my weight is about 78kg.
Basically the bigger and fatter the leading edge, the easier it will be to take off. There is less of a pressure peak on a rounded LE which means it can handle a higher angle of attack with less water flow before stalling. The s series axis foils use a 15% thick raf48 section which you will see has a very thick entry.
You have to know what youre doing to flat water a high aspect, theyre very pedantic when it comes to pump motion and frequency.
My advice would be to start off on the 1020, standard fuse (long fuse= more positive pitch stability= more up) 440 tail and a 750 or 500 mast, in 20 odd knots of wind with short steep chop. Not on shore ocean swells coming across from peru. Once you figure out the motions you can then try in less and less wind until eventually you will do it in flat water
P.s also you have to paddle and pump like you wouldnt believe, you have to be in very good shape and have excellent paddle technique
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And dont give up! I tried for a solid year or 2 before i could nail it every time
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I pumped up on my 1020/440 short fuse with a 6M F-one wing in what was probably 9mph wind today. There were three guys out and they couldn't get up. I'm 73, 225#, and weak as a kitten. It was pretty much a flatwater start, or at least the geezer version. I probably looked like a turkey trying to fly, but I got up and stayed up.
Of course tonight I feel like I gave birth or something equally stressful, so there's that.
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Is Axis 1150 a good foil for wing foiling? I'd like something a bit faster but still beginner-intermediate friendly to my very beginner-friendly 1020-500 (standard fuse). I find that I am often not quite as fast as the swell in SF Bay and not infrequently I have to grab the back handle to add power to stay 'in the pocket' on the swell. I'm new to wing foiling (a couple months in).
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Is Axis 1150 a good foil for wing foiling? I'd like something a bit faster but still beginner-intermediate friendly to my very beginner-friendly 1020-500 (standard fuse). I find that I am often not quite as fast as the swell in SF Bay and not infrequently I have to grab the back handle to add power to stay 'in the pocket' on the swell. I'm new to wing foiling (a couple months in).
You'll really enjoy the 1150 for winging. Faster than the 1020 and really easy glide with minimal pump input. The 920 is also a nice wing for beginners, a bit faster than the 1020 but still very forgiving. If you're going to want to go faster in steeper waves, the 1000 is awesome also. Once you learn the pump technique with the foil and wing then you can ride most wings in the same conditions. I was using an 1150 on a 5'1" board and switching with a buddy on his 1000 with a 6' board yesterday and I had no issues foiling up and staying up wind.
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Is Axis 1150 a good foil for wing foiling? I'd like something a bit faster but still beginner-intermediate friendly to my very beginner-friendly 1020-500 (standard fuse). I find that I am often not quite as fast as the swell in SF Bay and not infrequently I have to grab the back handle to add power to stay 'in the pocket' on the swell. I'm new to wing foiling (a couple months in).
You'll really enjoy the 1150 for winging. Faster than the 1020 and really easy glide with minimal pump input. The 920 is also a nice wing for beginners, a bit faster than the 1020 but still very forgiving. If you're going to want to go faster in steeper waves, the 1000 is awesome also. Once you learn the pump technique with the foil and wing then you can ride most wings in the same conditions. I was using an 1150 on a 5'1" board and switching with a buddy on his 1000 with a 6' board yesterday and I had no issues foiling up and staying up wind.
Great input flkiter. Do you wish you had your friend's 1000 instead of 1150 or are you stoked on the 1150? Does the huge span of the 1150 get in the way? (I guess easier to kick the wings and those wings are going to be really impacting the bottom if the setup rolls in the shore break).
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1020/500 standard fuse is a really tough combo to pump and takes a lot of front foot pressure. For the price of a thin washer you can improve the speed quite a bit--shim the front of the 500 to decrease the angle. Or get a 390. I measured my 500 and got +5 degrees. I cut that back to a little less than +2 degrees with two thin washers and it got a bit unstable. I could probably get used to it once I found the right foot position, but I went to one slightly thicker washer to get +3 degrees and that felt great.
Apparently the 390 is zero degrees as is. It doesn't look pitchy with Admin riding it, so there might be other things going on, but he loves it.
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Is Axis 1150 a good foil for wing foiling? I'd like something a bit faster but still beginner-intermediate friendly to my very beginner-friendly 1020-500 (standard fuse). I find that I am often not quite as fast as the swell in SF Bay and not infrequently I have to grab the back handle to add power to stay 'in the pocket' on the swell. I'm new to wing foiling (a couple months in).
You'll really enjoy the 1150 for winging. Faster than the 1020 and really easy glide with minimal pump input. The 920 is also a nice wing for beginners, a bit faster than the 1020 but still very forgiving. If you're going to want to go faster in steeper waves, the 1000 is awesome also. Once you learn the pump technique with the foil and wing then you can ride most wings in the same conditions. I was using an 1150 on a 5'1" board and switching with a buddy on his 1000 with a 6' board yesterday and I had no issues foiling up and staying up wind.
Great input flkiter. Do you wish you had your friend's 1000 instead of 1150 or are you stoked on the 1150? Does the huge span of the 1150 get in the way? (I guess easier to kick the wings and those wings are going to be really impacting the bottom if the setup rolls in the shore break).
I'm stoked on the 1150 and if I could just have one wing it would be the 1150 for now being summer.It can turn with part of the wing coming out of the water so no issues with tight turns for me. The 1000 handles better in high wind conditions for me.
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I tried the 1150 only flat water and catching boat wake. Super easy maybe the easiest foil this size to get up ?? Amazing glide on tiny boat wake so I guess it might be good for super light dw.
Two firends of mine have it (SUPER, they are heavier than me) and now they can connect multiples waves which they couldn't do even with the 1020.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFAIDJBIigl/
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That’s impressive Greg! I wish I had half of your skills. At the same time I wonder if gofoils gl240 is any similar to axis 1150. Look close to me.
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Similar width, but for some reason, a lot draggier.
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Where does a guy go in Hawaii to get axis -1 shims 3D printed for cheap?
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Where does a guy go in Hawaii to get axis -1 shims 3D printed for cheap?
Yes, I'm looking for a half dozen -1 shims. If anyone has a 3D printer and wants to make and mail me some, please send me a message.
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I'm still fascinated with the 1150. great wing. And if you want shims, consider some thin washers. I have two 3D printers and I've never bothered with printing fancy-schmancy shims. Just get a selection of thin washers. You can get nylon ones and even sand them thinner if you need to. The 1150 does like a bit of shimming for the stabilizer. I went too far with the 390 and could hardly get it off the water. One degree at most. For the 440 I use two degrees of shim, but it's still not as fast as the 390 is.
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I got an 1150 and am running it on the 83/19m mast and ultra short fuse with 390stab. I am kind of loosing my chit over this setup. This thing was weird for the first session but then it started behaving. I can flag out and pump as far as I feel like. It connects bumps and glides like magic. I really want to try its little brothers out. Not sure if I should get the 1010 or 9010. It is crazy how much more it performs when its 3 inches under the surface rather than deep. Pono, which way are you shimming the 390 up or down?
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down, putting the shim over the front screw. Decreasing the incidence angle to about 2.5 degrees. If you do that you'll have to move your feet back a bit and get used to both less front foot pressure and less lift at low speed.
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............... It is crazy how much more it performs when its 3 inches under the surface rather than deep.
Yes, I have noticed this, too, though I think this is a general property of all front wing (but maybe more so flat/HA wings?).
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I'm still fascinated with the 1150. great wing. And if you want shims, consider some thin washers. I have two 3D printers and I've never bothered with printing fancy-schmancy shims. Just get a selection of thin washers. You can get nylon ones and even sand them thinner if you need to. The 1150 does like a bit of shimming for the stabilizer. I went too far with the 390 and could hardly get it off the water. One degree at most. For the 440 I use two degrees of shim, but it's still not as fast as the 390 is.
What does shimming the (front screw) stabilizer up to 1 degree do for pumping efficiency, speed and lift. I guess this shimming to decrease stabilizer AOA decreases lift but decreases drag, so should increase speed and glide. What about pumping efficiency? Thanks
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Less drag + more speed = pump father