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Title: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 15, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
I had sent a private message to Admin if it would be okay if I started a topic on Surfboards which is the forerunner to the Sup. He told me I could and put it in the General or Gear Talk forums. So I decided to put it in the General forum.

Since being at home all the time doesn't suit me, I am lucky to live in a subdivision with two lakes which I take one of my four sups down to and flat water paddle twice a week because of the virus.

I came down with what I thought was a UTI (urinary tract infection) a few months back, but when antibiotics didn't solve the problem, my urologist ordered a CT Scan and the scan found a half-inch in size kidney stone in my left kidney. Long story short, the stone was removed under general anesthesia this past Wednesday (5-13-2020).

But, as they say in the maritime industry where I used to work, I'm in "drydock" for the next four days. Since "idle hands are the devil's workshop", I have those idle hands. So I got to thinking about surfboards, specifically longboards of at least 9'-9'6" in length. I first learned how to surf on a longboard when I was 15 years old and it's length way back then was 9' in length with one single fin.

On the upper Texas coast, I see many shortboard surfers on their performance boards. If the surf is flat and only knee high wave height, you don't see surfers.

But I figured surfing a longboard again would work if the surfboard was long enough and suited to the general waves where I go on the upper Texas coast. So I started surfing the internet to find some surfing forums where I could lurk and gleen information from them. I found three of them and they are listed below.

http://forum.realsurf.com/forum/

https://surfing-waves.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=15

https://jamboards.com/forums/surfing/

But I wanted to get some opinions from all of you on this site who surfed before they found sups.

Now down to the nitty gritty.

I've done research on some nice longboards from some shapers. I'm sure you'll recognize the names of: Stewart, Carroll and Degree 33.

Now for my criteria. The longboard has to be from 9'-9'6" in length. It must have 3 fins and if I'm lucky, 5 fin boxes. I will say I'm partial to Furtures fin boxes and epoxy constructionwhich are very duralbe since poly boards dent easily. Epoxy is also lighter in weight than poly boards.

I'm 5'8"and 140 lbs right now (which is 63.50 kilograms), a good rule of thumb is to match my weight in kilograms to a longboard between 63.50--72 liters of volume. With that I started my search with Stewart Surfboards and I'm looking at two of them.

One of the Stewarts is a 949 model, 9' x 23" x 3" @ 67.9 liters, 5 Futures fin boxes epoxy construction which is at the link below.

https://stewartsurfboards.com/collections/949

The second Stewart is the Redline 11 (eleven) model, 9'0 x 23 3/4" x  3 1/4" @ 74.7 liters, 3 Furtures fin boxes and expoxy construction.

https://stewartsurfboards.com/collections/redline-11

Another choice is a Ricky Carroll PLB (performance longboard) which is, 9'0 x 22.25" x 2.75" @ unknown liters (one important detail that should always be listed), 5 Futures fin boxes and epoxy construction.

https://www.realwatersports.com/collections/ricky-carroll-surfboards/products/ricky-carroll-plb-pu-poly-90

Another is surfboard from Degree 33 and it is the Ultimate model which is 9.0 x 23" x 3" @ 72.5 liters, 3 FCS fin boxes and epoxy construction.

https://www.degree33surfboards.com/collections/longboards-performance/products/9-ultimate-longboard-surfboard-teal-chevron-epoxy-2019

I've got some videos I can post up, but I don't want to make this topic into reading a manuscript so I'll stop at this point.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: ninja tuna on May 15, 2020, 11:59:36 AM
OK, but was there supposed to be  question in there.  Longboards are a blast in small surf.  It lets you get out and when it is just tiny.  All my longboards were before the liter thing and I weigh 50lbs more than you.  If you want something to cruise and play in the small stuff, a little wider is maybe mo better.  like 22-23" wide.  But you are a light weight so that may not apply to you.  My more "performance" longboards were usually about 21 wide and more pintail for the maneuverability.   But hell, to go have fun in small gutless surf, you dont need to get crazy picky.  Getting a used one is even a great option to save money.  Even the foam wavestorms, people are having a blast on.

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfinJ on May 15, 2020, 02:16:13 PM
Any of those is fine. All fine shapers. 

For what you want not too rockered and the rest won’t matter too much.

I have a 10' log, thick full railed cruiser to catch anything from a ripple up.
Also a 10’ longboard gun for the big stuff and a thinned out 9’er with lots of rocker for chasing the hollow and fast ones.

See longboards can vary a lot as well.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: seadart on May 15, 2020, 05:42:27 PM
If you are looking at getting a board shipped from California you might as well look at  Infinity (Dana Point) and Walden (Ventura).  I keep getting ads from them saying their boards are on sale.  Hard to go wrong with them. I have a Walden Magic Model, it's pretty fun.  Honestly just to get out in small surf you could get a Costco foamy and just have fun.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Subber on May 15, 2020, 06:13:23 PM
You can also most likely Prone Paddle surf one of your long board SUP's.

I'm about an inch taller than you (and we'll say a bit heavier) and I've prone paddled
a couple of my longboard SUP's a few times:

Pearson Laird Surftech Longboard 10'6"x23"x29.75"x18"x4.375," 154 liters, 24 lbs, 3 boxes
Jimmy Lewis Black & Blue Noserider 10'1"x31"x4.25," 164 liters, 24 lbs, 1 box

Even the Black & Blue with its 31"width was comfortable enough prone paddling. 

You could also prone paddle a longboard SUP in one of your lakes to build up prone paddle muscles
before switching over to a prone longboard - the muscles you use SUPping are different than when prone
paddling.  It would make the transition easier because the SUP's generally paddle easier because
they usually have a lot more volume.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 15, 2020, 06:28:42 PM
You can also most likely Prone Paddle surf one of your long board SUP's.

I'm about an inch taller than you (and we'll say a bit heavier) and I've prone paddled
a couple of my longboard SUP's a few times:


If I was going to prone surf one of my sups without the paddle, I would most likely do so with my One World and it's specs are, 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 liters. This sup with a 4 fin (2, 5") (2, 4") quad setup weighs 22 lbs, 14 ounces. It also has 60/40 rails.

It also has a pulled in nose so it can handle beach wash type of waves to overhead waves probably 12' in height if I had the skills to do so, but I don't have those skills because the waves on the upper Texas coast don't reach that height except in stormy conditions like in a tropical depression or a named tropical storm. And the biggest waves height wise, are at Surfside, Texas.

Right now, I'm just toying with the idea of a surfboard. Nothing is set in concrete. Nothing is carved in granite at this juncture.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 15, 2020, 06:52:57 PM
I'm going to list one surfboard at a time so as not to make these posts extremely long.

The first surfboard is the Stewart 949 model. Since this surfboard comes in different lengths, widths, thickness and liters; I'm partial to the one which is: 9'0" x 23" x 3" @ 67.9 liters with 5 Futures fin boxes in epoxy construction.

Below is a video of the 949. The board in this video is of poly construction since I can see the long dent in the bottom of the board down from the nose when the reviewer turns the board upside down. Poly is fragile in my opinion when compared to a epoxy board.  And poly built boards are heavier in weight than epoxy boards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPViBRc4Tcc

The second video is another 949 model, but it is the 949 Comp and Bill Stewart gives a good description of it and what it can do. The 949 Comp's longest length is 8'6", but I prefer a minimum 9' length surfboard. So the 949 Comp is just a smaller version of the regular 949, but with a pulled in nose. The video makes a good comparison between the two boards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3bepCjOqOM
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: ninja tuna on May 15, 2020, 07:47:19 PM
That pressure ding is a common thing in all surfboards whether they are epoxy or poly.  It happens from all sorts of things and lots of use.  It also has a lot to do with how the boards are glassed. Boards will also develop foot divots too.   They are not glassed nearly as strong and durable as sups.  Go look at used boards in a surf shop and you will see.  It is nothing to be worried about.  I have a garage full of epoxy and poly boards too.  Happens to all of them sooner or later.

If you are just toying with the idea. Use your SUP first to see if you like it.  The surfboard  will be much lighter.  And I  am guessing you have not prone surfed ever. Sounds like it.  You are going to go through a little bit of a learning curve in terms of now paddling and then getting up.  Very little.  A 9 - 10 foot longboard is not going to be nearly as stable as  either of your sups.  BUT once you get it, you are going to be able to move all over the wave because you have been so used to the heavy sups. When you get on a glass/epoxy longboard at half the weight, you're gonna be throwing that board all over in no time.

Get used longboard to save money in the beginning to begin with.  I have 3, 4, 5 hundred dollar boards and more because I wanted certain shapes.  But I have also bought some used shapes that I want to try for like 150 to 200 and had a blast on them and did not worry about pitching the into shallow sandbars.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfcowboy on May 15, 2020, 08:21:59 PM
Couple of things here. Take what you like and leave the rest.

If you’re longboarding in small waves, (you are, it’s texas) extra fins are just drag. You can argue if you want, but check out Devon Howard or Alex Knost in case anyone thinks you need a lot of fins to turn. It’s simply not the case.

Also, nose riding is better with a single. I might be wrong, but I surf regularly with some of the best in the world in the water next to me (taking all the waves! Lol) and no one worth a damn is on a multi-fin LB. I figure that I probably don’t know better than they do.

I agree 100% with the wider is better thing , to a point. That point for me is 23”. As a small guy, paddling a SUP prone isn’t efficient as I don’t reach across it well and can’t paddle deep. And same on rocker. No need for a lot unless you’re surfing head high waves. Keep it flat and paddle into any ripple.

I’m exactly your size. I own 2 longboards and a midlength and a wavestorm. All are singles though my midlength has boxes. I surf ankle to chest high waves on my 9’6” Tudor from the 90’s which weighs more than your SUP, I guarantee. And now I surf my 9’4” (or so) copy I made last summer.

I got the rocker wrong on my copy. Too much, so that’s how I know you don’t want a lot lol.

But as a “damned SUP’er” I’ll say that there’s a lot of satisfaction and fun in owning a 100% classic old school longboard and surfing it like they did in ‘64 at Malibu. It also gets me some cred and nods in the lineup and makes those times when I paddle out standing up way more accepted since I’m seen as “one of the good ones.”

Plus one on Infinity and Walden. But you’ve got good longboard shapers right down the road from you too. I’d love to have a local, Lone Star quiver myself.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 15, 2020, 08:52:21 PM
If you are looking at getting a board shipped from California you might as well look at  Infinity (Dana Point) and Walden (Ventura).  I keep getting ads from them saying their boards are on sale.  Hard to go wrong with them. I have a Walden Magic Model, it's pretty fun.

The Walden Magic and Mega Magic are nose riders. And I have looked at them and the videos I've found on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agHzP1VyeRk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdRdZt0qCZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVI_uKf03cc
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 15, 2020, 09:06:59 PM
Couple of things here. Take what you like and leave the rest.

If you’re longboarding in small waves, (you are, it’s texas) extra fins are just drag. You can argue if you want, but check out Devon Howard or Alex Knost in case anyone thinks you need a lot of fins to turn. It’s simply not the case.

Also, nose riding is better with a single. I might be wrong, but I surf regularly with some of the best in the world in the water next to me (taking all the waves! Lol) and no one worth a damn is on a multi-fin LB. I figure that I probably don’t know better than they do.

I agree 100% with the wider is better thing , to a point. That point for me is 23”. As a small guy, paddling a SUP prone isn’t efficient as I don’t reach across it well and can’t paddle deep. And same on rocker. No need for a lot unless you’re surfing head high waves. Keep it flat and paddle into any ripple.

I’m exactly your size. I own 2 longboards and a midlength and a wavestorm. All are singles though my midlength has boxes. I surf ankle to chest high waves on my 9’6” Tudor from the 90’s which weighs more than your SUP, I guarantee. And now I surf my 9’4” (or so) copy I made last summer.

When it comes to surfboards, I'm a fan of 5 fin boxes. The reason being,depending on wave conditions, I can surf the board as a single fin, a 3 fin thruster with all three fins the same length, a 2 + 1 and my personal favorite for speed, a 4 fin quad setup. So with 5 fin boxes, it comes down to........"Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it".
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 16, 2020, 05:51:24 AM
Continuing on with my idle hands.

BTW, all of the boards I'm looking at will be primarily surfed down at the beaches at Surfside, Texas because the waves at Surfside are bigger in height than the waves at Galveston Island or the waves on the Bolivar Peninsula.

Another Stewart surfboard which piqued my interest is the Redline 11 (eleven) model. The length I'm interested in is the 9'0" x 23 1/2" x 3 1/8" @ 70.9 liters with 3 Futures fin boxes in an epoxy finish.

I came across two videos of this board and they are below. One is narrated by Bill Stewart himself with mostly technical details and it is the first video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJ4pAbz8-E

The second video is more of a review from a rider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cguD94Ze-Rs
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: burchas on May 16, 2020, 06:33:25 AM
Just to give you one more thing to think about on the construction side. Look into XPS core ??? Maybe an answer to some of your issues, when done right. Mine is in the works.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 16, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
@ burchas

I was hoping you would see this topic and give your comments. I'll look into the XPS core.

And if you have any other comments, either pro or con, don't hesitate and chime in.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 16, 2020, 11:15:24 AM
Now for a third surfboard.

The third surfboard which has caught my eye is from the shaper, Ricky Carroll. Again, it is more of a performance type of board than a nose rider, but the board can be ridden as a nose rider with the right fin length and fin configuration.

The board is a Ricky Carroll PLB. It is 9' in length with 5 fin Futures fin boxes in a EPS epoxy construction. The only part I didn't like about the review, it doesn't give the amount of liters  for it. This is one important detail, to me at least, that should never be left out in a written specification or in a video.

So all I have on it is; 9'0" x 22.25" x 2.75". Bummer about the liters not given. At least I was able to find a good video review of it and the link to the video is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eiVd5Twtfc

Of all the videos I've seen for the surfboards I've looked at (so far), this video has been the most indepth of them all when it comes to my favorite, "details".
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfafrica on May 16, 2020, 07:09:42 PM
The Walden Magic Model was my first longboard.  I loved it!  Such a good all around shape.  It handles all kinds of conditions.

My buddy now longboards on a Walden Mega Magic and catches soooo many waves.  I sometimes take it out and SUP on it (I'm a small guy).

One of my buddies has an Infinity Secret Weapon.  It's a high volume longboard. He loves it (he's a big guy).  I sometimes take it out as a SUP too.

One of my favorite longboards (back when I was still surfing longboards) was the Harbour Merlin.    One of my buddies had a Rapier and loved it too.

https://www.harboursurfboards.com/all-models
https://www.harboursurfboards.com/evolution
https://www.harboursurfboards.com/cruisers

One of my all time favorite shapers was Takayama.  I loved those pinched rails! The In The Pink is such a classic shape.

https://www.surfboardsbydonaldtakayama.com/surfboards/progressive-longboards/
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 17, 2020, 04:24:13 AM
The Walden Magic Model was my first longboard.  I loved it!  Such a good all around shape.  It handles all kinds of conditions.

My buddy now longboards on a Walden Mega Magic and catches soooo many waves.  I sometimes take it out and SUP on it (I'm a small guy).

One of my all time favorite shapers was Takayama.  I loved those pinched rails! The In The Pink is such a classic shape.

https://www.surfboardsbydonaldtakayama.com/surfboards/progressive-longboards/

When it comes to Walden, I do like the Mega Magic model for the extra volume. This board should do well catching waves down at Surfside, Tx which is my preferred place to ride waves on the upper Texas coast. The 9'0" Mega Magic is one I have looked at quite a few times.

And Surftech builds Walden's Mega Magic model in different lengths using Surftech's Tuflite molded technology construction. The link to the 9' Mega Magic is below.

https://www.waldensurfboards.com/products/surftech-90-tuflite-mega-magic

As for the Tuflite construction, I've looked at that too in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R173jIoZf5c

Thanks for the link for Takayama. I'll have to look at those models, like the Beach Break, later on.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 17, 2020, 05:38:59 AM
I've got one more surfboard I found. Not a well known brand name. It is a Degree 33 surfboard at 9'0" x 23" x 3" @ 72.5 liters, three fin boxes and epoxy construction.

https://www.degree33surfboards.com/collections/longboards-performance/products/9-ultimate-longboard-surfboard-teal-chevron-epoxy-2019

And I was able to find three videos of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULHMfRzQuJ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON92dRUA6v8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpY7hCvppOw

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: burchas on May 17, 2020, 08:11:11 AM
This is a very tough subject, mostly because one has to really know where you at in your progression both mentally and skill wise to nail it.
For my process, it helped a lot if I could break down my boards function and features into a simple 5 item list. Once I managed manage that, I found it was super easy to nail down a shape.
Before I managed that, I found plenty of multiple pages long threads on the zone to help me go through the process, trust me, it's all there :-\

It was only after my 10th board and lots of $$$ that I started recognizing a pattern and realized I need a better process in choosing a shape. Needless to say that buying into all the marketing hype on YouTube didn't really help.
It took a few door surfing clips before I realized that, don't be that guy ;)  As always, I'm rooting for you winger

door commercial, go to 1:07 mark
https://youtu.be/OFkT_Cio7M0
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 17, 2020, 04:22:40 PM
@ burchas

I already knew it would be a tough subject. But I'm going on what the normal waves I find down at Surfside along with going back into my memory when I was 15 years old when I learned to surf a surfboard and my favorite board back then was one in 9' of length. But I can't remember it's width of thickness.

As for me, I'm not a shredder or do fancy moves. I just like the glide. This type of surfing most people would call "boring", but I like it. I like to catch as many waves as I can.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 17, 2020, 04:27:13 PM
Time for me more info in my "maybe" quest.

In this topic thread, I've already stated I prefer an epoxy built board over a poly built board. Without going into lots or details, in the video below, I already knew the difference so I'll just let the video do the "talking".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XGLwihLtOw
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: burchas on May 17, 2020, 06:17:27 PM
@ burchas

I already knew it would be a tough subject. But I'm going on what the normal waves I find down at Surfside along with going back into my memory when I was 15 years old when I learned to surf a surfboard and my favorite board back then was one in 9' of length. But I can't remember it's width of thickness.

As for me, I'm not a shredder or do fancy moves. I just like the glide. This type of surfing most people would call "boring", but I like it. I like to catch as many waves as I can.

Now that you put it that way, it's actually very easy. You pretty much described the 5 item list:

The formula for this is pretty easy, Now you just have to take it to shaper that will tailor it for your exact specs. No need to compromise.
@surfcowboy was right on the money, and a good local shaper will most likely have the best rocker for the job which is priceless.

In fact it's so boring I'm going to find a local shaper my self because I need a 9' wave catching machine that's going to live in my car just in case I'm passing by the beach on my way
to grab lunch and I see some nice rollers I want to jump on. Maybe it will make me feel 15 again :)
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 18, 2020, 06:36:39 AM
@ buchas

I'm glad you understand what I'm trying to do with a surfboard.

The webcam down at Surfside went subscription and it uses Flash. Many people don't like Flash, but I'm not one of them. And I run a linux distribution (Mint-Xfce) as my operating system.

But the waves down at Surfside look very much like the waves down at Port Aransas and I do have free streaming webcam of it. So you'll have some idea what the normal waves at Surfside will look like. The webcam might take about 10 seconds to load.

https://hdontap.com/index.php/video/stream/texas-seagull-condos-live-beach-surf-cam


The "rollers" way out "beyond the waves starting to break in the surf zone" is what I normally surf with my sups.

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 18, 2020, 06:45:58 AM
Coming down the home stretch now.

When it comes to finishes on surfboards, there are two types. They are gloss and sanded. I prefer a sanded finish. The video below pretty much explains my preferences why I like a sanded finish on a surfboard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBjsJw71xE
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: oakfish on May 18, 2020, 06:56:38 AM
Strongly 2nd surfcowboy's comments.  It sounds like you've already made up your mind, but I'd stick with a single fin for 2 reasons:
1) You say you just want to glide.  Extra fins won't help with that goal
2) Multiple fins are almost always attached to a performance longboard and I've never met anyone that really liked their performance longboard (including me).  It's like the worst of both worlds.  Too much rocker to truly glide and get into the wave early.  Too long to whip some fast turns.  I completely understand why you want one...I thought I wanted one too.  I thought I was getting a single board quiver.  But I never ride it.  If the waves are small and/or weak, you want a true longboard/log that gets you in early and glides.  If the waves have a bit more power, use a twin fin fish.
Used boards definitely make sense, especially if you end up changing your mind on the single fin.  I have so many new boards that I thought would be "the one," but I always seem to end up on a used board I bought from a friend.  Also, everyone seems to love wavestorms and other foamies, but in my opinion, you can't beat the rigidity of a true hardtop.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: SUP Leave on May 18, 2020, 10:28:30 AM
Because of my kids I have been doing a lot more surfing than SUP lately. Probably 75/25 last few years. My SUPs all want to be ridden from the tail, where classic longboards are ridden in the front 2/3 of the board. My opinion is below and it may be of no use to you, but here it is.

I have a bunch of longboards and mid lengths and have ridden lots of others.

Board choice has a lot to do with the wave you surf in my opinion. If your waves are slow rollers, classic longboard single fin is the most fun and free way to surf (IMO). The first swooping turn after standing up on a longboard is to me one of the best feelings in surfing. I think that rounded rails and a spoon nose is the most comfortable here, foiled out rails are faster and fun but you need really active feet to ride thin rails (IMO). The boards you are looking at all have rounded rails for the most part.

If you are dealing with punchy beach break, meaning lots of closeouts and the wave standing up on sand bars, I don't like thick railed single fins. 9-0 by 2-1/2" thick, with 2+1 or a thruster is far more comfortable to me. I want something I can control off of my back foot in an instant on quicker breaking waves. I only surfed in Texas one day and I would say the wave period was pretty short (5-6 seconds) controlling a log of a longboard paddling out was a chore. A thinner board that you can drag through waves as needed would be nice there.

I think Joe Blair has been making a lot of crossover type boards between SUP and surfboards. Thick boards that have the same momentum as a sup, with lots of room for your feet. Plus he installs a handle on these extra wide boards. I have never rode one, but have been interested for a while. I feel like you can surf one of these with heavy back foot pressure (like my SUP).

https://www.jblairsurf.com/big-guy-surfboards/

I guess my summary is that if you are wanting a 9-6,  I would not want 3" thick for a board with all of the fin setups you like. I think at your weight you would get tired of carrying and paddling out that much volume with minimal returns. Max width 22" and 2-3/4" thick - Jimmy Lewis HP 9-1 (rode this a lot in Maui and it was great for me - @ 6'2" 220#).  If you want a thick board for buoyancy, I recommend a shorter length.

I get to surf on Thursday this week (thank GOD). I am probably going to ride a 8' McCoy Nugget. It is a super corky board (quirky thick shape too) which makes it hard to handle on paddle outs and the tail does not sink into waves on take offs - but it is lightning fast with your feet over the fins. Would never recommend it to a beginner even though the thickness makes it look like a beginner board.



Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 18, 2020, 02:15:39 PM
Strongly 2nd surfcowboy's comments.  It sounds like you've already made up your mind, but I'd stick with a single fin for 2 reasons:
1) You say you just want to glide.  Extra fins won't help with that goal
2) Multiple fins are almost always attached to a performance longboard and I've never met anyone that really liked their performance longboard (including me).  It's like the worst of both worlds.  Too much rocker to truly glide and get into the wave early.  Too long to whip some fast turns.  I completely understand why you want one...I thought I wanted one too.  I thought I was getting a single board quiver.  But I never ride it.  If the waves are small and/or weak, you want a true longboard/log that gets you in early and glides.  If the waves have a bit more power, use a twin fin fish.

The reason I like multiple fin boxes is because it gives you options if the waves one is expecting doesn't pan out whether the waves are bigger or smaller than what one was expecting.

Most single fin boards with low rocker are basically "nose riders" (in my opinion). The Walden Mega Magic and Magic are true nose riders. But, they have multiple fin boxes so they can be ridden; depending on wave conditions, either as a single fin, a 2 + 1 or a true thruster all three fins which are the same length.

With the above said, below is a video of a Walden 9' Mega Magic. The waves in this video are very similar to the waves to the west of the 91st Street Fishing Pier on Galveston Island where I sometimes sup surf at on Galveston Island. The only detail I can't see in this video is whether the rider is surfing the waves with a single fin, a 2 + 1 or a true thruster with all three fins the same length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQT8kOA39co

And I never get tired of surfing these types of waves. I usually get down to the beach at first light and I will surf and catch as many waves I can in a 4 hours session. After 4 hours, with a few breaks inbetween for snacks and liquids, then I'm "all surfed out", pack up and head back to my home.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Dusk Patrol on May 18, 2020, 02:39:02 PM
Here's 9 minutes of happiness... following 45 seconds of hilarious grom trash talking... and William Devaughn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCnJqHV7Qy8
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 18, 2020, 02:40:49 PM
@ SUP Leave

Thanks for your reply. I enjoy reading a detailed post with lots of good information in it. I will check out the Jimmy Lewis HP 9-1 on the internet.

As for me surfing, that is on hold right now since I'm recuperating at my home from a kidney stone removal procedure. I couldn't pass the nearly half inch sized stone lodged in the center of my left kidney.

Again, thanks for the detailed reply. It is most appreciated by me.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 18, 2020, 02:45:06 PM
@ Dusk Patrol

You were right. That video was 9 minutes of classic longboarding happiness or as I would say...........Nirvana.  :)  n

Thanks for posting and sharing that video.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfafrica on May 19, 2020, 09:03:35 AM
The extra high volume longboards (Walden Mega, Infinity Secret Weapon) are game-changers for some people.  A lot of my friends have gone that route and it's completely changed things for them.  They aren't high performance, but man, they cruise like no other.  And I'd guess they increased my friends' wave counts by 400%. 

Here are some shots of my buddy on his 9'0 Mega in Costa Rica a couple of years ago....

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhRTlwrlKko/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg4558ogoT1/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh7HTOhFvHP/
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on May 19, 2020, 04:05:21 PM
SupAfrica- great post!

I have been proning more in small surf and sold my SUP longboards.  I think your buddy may be the same guy who had my old RNB- and if so probably the same size as me and i TOTALLY agree.

i rode a custom 8'0 that was near 90 L in volume in CR.  It was essentially a glassed soft stop shape- and i had to have the guy that demoed it wrestle it back from me.

I had been thinking about that board since the trip for a knee/thigh high board for summer (Which is basically every day)   and Just ordered the Modern Double Wide as part of a major re-vamp of my quiver thining out boards I dont use (Both sup and prone) including a post on a L41 I just picked up.


Im not a hige fan of pop outs but i wasnt going to get a summer toy shaped custom especially when I know it will see alot of beach time.   It comes tomorrow. we will see how it goes.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on May 19, 2020, 04:14:07 PM
Whoops.  Sorry- Thought Africa's was the original post- Didnt mean to thread steal Nightwing.

But sounds like you are looking for the same thing.  The Double Wide has a 7.4 option that may suit your weight.

I found in the real small stuff- especially windswell like you wil have in TX- the extra foot or so to go to 9 or 10 feet is limiting in positioning for waves.  Thats why I went 8'4 even though I have a 9'4 longbord.  I just want able to aim it fast enought in short period swell.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 19, 2020, 05:37:13 PM
Whoops.  Sorry- Thought Africa's was the original post- Didnt mean to thread steal Nightwing.

But sounds like you are looking for the same thing.  The Double Wide has a 7.4 option that may suit your weight.

I found in the real small stuff- especially windswell like you wil have in TX- the extra foot or so to go to 9 or 10 feet is limiting in positioning for waves.  Thats why I went 8'4 even though I have a 9'4 longbord.  I just want able to aim it fast enought in short period swell.

You don't have anything to feel sorry about to me. All is good. Any info on surfboards is much appreciated in my view. And the info provided by you is interesting since I wasn't really going to seriously look at surfboards under 9' in length.....which means I might have to look at  8'6" surfboards as well since the upper Texas coast has a lot of wind swell waves.

So thanks for adding your post to this topic thread.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surf4food on May 19, 2020, 06:45:25 PM
@ burchas

I already knew it would be a tough subject. But I'm going on what the normal waves I find down at Surfside along with going back into my memory when I was 15 years old when I learned to surf a surfboard and my favorite board back then was one in 9' of length. But I can't remember it's width of thickness.

As for me, I'm not a shredder or do fancy moves. I just like the glide. This type of surfing most people would call "boring", but I like it. I like to catch as many waves as I can.
Well it's assumed you are not planning on shredding by virtue of the board dimensions you are describing.  I think a noserider might be worth considering even if you don't plan on doing any noseriding.  Another brand you should consider is Harbor Surfboards out of Seal Beach:https://www.harboursurfboards.com/classics-1
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 19, 2020, 09:04:34 PM
Well it's assumed you are not planning on shredding by virtue of the board dimensions you are describing.  I think a noserider might be worth considering even if you don't plan on doing any noseriding.  Another brand you should consider is Harbor Surfboards out of Seal Beach:https://www.harboursurfboards.com/classics-1

You're correct. At 70 years of age and with a cranky lower back, I won't be doing any shredding. Just gliding towards the beach enjoying the ride is my preferred way to surf whether it be a with surfboard or a sup.

And thanks for the link to Harbor Surfboards.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 20, 2020, 06:39:57 AM
@ surf4food

I decided to include a nose rider even though I don't think I would be doing any nose riding. With that said, I'm looking at the Walden "Mega Magic" and the Donald Takayama "In The Pink" models.

So I went on YouTube looking for some videos with some "details" from the riders of these two boards and they are very far and few inbetween. However, I don't quit easily. I found one video with the rider's comments (click on show more) and it is an excellent review (in my opinion) of the Walden Magic model.

The specs on the Magic the rider is surfing is 10'0" x 23 1/2" x 3 3/16" at 96.2 liters. The rider is 180 lbs (85kg) and 6'1" (185 cm). Keep in mind, I'm only 140 lbs (63.50 kg) and 5'8" (176 cm) in height.

The video is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBwg2lfW9ik
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: txsupman on May 20, 2020, 08:13:43 AM
I live in League City and use to surf, but now spend most of my time SUPing, windsurfing, and mountain biking.  Anyway, an option is to find a local shaper; you can probably get a custom board made by someone who knows the area, for a reasonable price.  Plus you'll be supporting a local shop/shaper.  Rise surfboard in Texas City and Surf Specialties in Galveston shape boards, and have heard great things about them.  They both have websites, so can find them on Google.

One of my old prone board is a Fry, but think he retired a while back.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: supthecreek on May 20, 2020, 09:16:48 AM
ha ha wingman.... hang on to your armchair, I have some vids to occupy your idle time  ;D ;D

Bert Burger, partner/shaper at Sunova, is has had a lifetime of surfing and competing on longboards (and shortboards)
The beauty of this is, he actually understands why boards and features work..... and he is very good at making it all make sense.
(much of the discussions he has are also very informational about general SUP design as well)

Bert has a wonderful ease about him.
I urge you to watch all these longboard shaping videos.... I learned lots of useful stuff on every video.

I'll start you off with some action.
This 1st video is shot 2 miles from the Sunova Factory, with Bert and some employees (yes, most Sunova factory employees surf!)
Bert is on the RED longboard... and still killing it as a big version, of his old self  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb78EkiEQug

The longboard discussion vids:

BigBoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHU1JCGk-gc

Oldy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acytg9tqMEU

Pollywaffle Pro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Z2Tg00iZM

Longboard Pro (with explanation of the Pro T3 version)
Note: some "Bert & Ernie" out takes between Bert and Tino, as they make the video... good look at how they interact  :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYKPYLVwbA

Lastly.... Justin Redman showing that Sunova longboards work  :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGkY1TqePT8

now.... grab a beer, sit back and get to work! ;D
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfafrica on May 20, 2020, 01:39:14 PM
I think your buddy may be the same guy who had my old RNB- and if so probably the same size as me and i TOTALLY agree.

My friend who bought your RNB is a different guy.  But he surfs a high volume longboard too--an Infinity Secret Weapon.  He LOVES both boards (RNB & the Secret Weapon).

Walden Magic Model: 8'0 x 22, 57 L
Infinity Secret Weapon: 9'0 x 24, 95 L
(this picture is from 2015...his son is now taller than he is)
https://www.instagram.com/p/6HE1Q1Lz9Z/

Infinity RNB: 8'8 x 31, 135 L
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVwBpzDAl15/

I was so impressed at the gains my friends made on their high volume longboads (Walden Mega and the Infinity Secret Weapon) that I had Kronos shape a custom high volume longboard for another friend of mine.  She's a light weight and needed something a little smaller and lighter than the Mega or Secret Weapon).  This Kronos longboard is 8'8 x 23, 78 L.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjAPkQSFHps/
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: SUP Leave on May 20, 2020, 01:49:30 PM
I love the tail shape in the Big Boy and Pro Sunovas for beach breaks. So much rocker in a longboard! Stewart Redline, Walden Mega looks to have the same plan shape. For beach breaks I think the shorter high volume (8', 8-6) is the way to go.

I was trying to describe above that a blocky high volume tail (traditional longboard) is hard to use in dumpy beach break (like Texas). If you can get the tail more "in" the wave, instead of on or over it during the takeoff, you have a longer opportunity to stand up. Hard to describe but, on a small wave you can imagine the blockier tail floats up crest of the wave, causing a steeper takeoff, and pearling becomes an issue for a longboard. A more narrow tail will be "in" the crest and decrease the angle of the board to suit. With most of the volume under your chest, the pop up should be stable. The plan and thinness of the Sunova rails look to be a good way of going about that. Shortboards, you want the entire length of the board on the wave as steep as possible during the take off. Late take offs on longboard you want the nose above the water a little bit. Maybe thats just me, but I find taking off on a longboard in steep small waves to be pretty hard.

However, every long board works if you can get good at one or more of:

-Angled take off
-A quick pop up
-Getting up and trimmed before the sandbar (paddle power)

.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 20, 2020, 08:21:18 PM
an option is to find a local shaper; you can probably get a custom board made by someone who knows the area, for a reasonable price.  Plus you'll be supporting a local shop/shaper.  Rise surfboard in Texas City and Surf Specialties in Galveston shape boards, and have heard great things about them.  They both have websites, so can find them on Google.

Thanks for the advice on the local shapers. I'll hunt for their websites.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 20, 2020, 08:25:18 PM
@ supthecreek

Thanks for all of the videos since I'm going to be laid up a lot longer than anticipated since I ran into a complication from my procedure. So I'll have lots of time on my hands to view those videos over and over and over again.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 20, 2020, 08:29:54 PM
@ surfafrica

Ooh! That Kronos is definitely a "looker". And thanks for showing the underside of the board letting me those 5 fin boxes. Have I every mentioned on this site I am a big fan of 5 fin boxes?  ;)

Thanks for all of the photos of the other boards too.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 20, 2020, 08:37:42 PM
I love the tail shape in the Big Boy and Pro Sunovas for beach breaks. So much rocker in a longboard! Stewart Redline, Walden Mega looks to have the same plan shape. For beach breaks I think the shorter high volume (8', 8-6) is the way to go.

I was trying to describe above that a blocky high volume tail (traditional longboard) is hard to use in dumpy beach break (like Texas).

I found a very short video of a woman who is surfing small beach break waves on her Walden 9'6" Magic. These types of waves are found on the upper Texas coast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4jPzBMyUxE
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: The Kernel on May 20, 2020, 09:00:27 PM
Night Wing:

More to add to your information pile....Here are pictures of my 9'6" Stewart 808 (Basically same model line as 949) that I purchased last year from the used rack at Stewart's surf shop in San Clemente, CA for $400 if I remember correctly--maybe $450.  I run the five fin setup, as Bill Stewart recommends, but probably wouldn't know any better to change it anyhow.  I consider this my "go to" board for most conditions here in SoCal.  (I added the tail handle and carrying handle; spillover from my SUP protocol).

I'm 52, 5'9" 190#, an intermediate level long boarder at best, but have caught more than the share of waves I deserve.  I have found this particular model to be good for glide in, fast down the line, and fairly snappy on turns.  Pretty much wherever I look, the board goes, just like a motorcycle.  First time I ever rode one from this model line was in overhead conditions at Churches and I LOVED how it would lock into the wave, so I guess I am a guy who loves his performance longboard. 

Using a car analogy, I'd consider the Stewart 808/949 a Chevy Impala SS.  For more of a "limousine" feel, I borrow my neighbor's 10' Midget Smith (three fin boxes, but theirs is set up with only large single fin).  That board is longer, thicker, and heavier, but it catches EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING.  It makes one feel like they have superpowers.  It is also super stable, and still turns very well if desired--just not as snappy as the 808.  The Midget Smith has acquired almost legendary status in our neighborhood and if I was smart I'd probably get one for myself--used because Midget no longer around.  If I keep piling weight on, I may have no choice! 

For now, the 808/949 does the job VERY well.





 
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 21, 2020, 06:44:39 AM
@ The Kernel

With the waves which are "normally" found on the upper Texas coast in the summertime; "beach break wash, mushy, tiny, small and medium", I would like to have a surfboard which would catch EVERYTHING.

And high volume boards are the way to go. Just like my sups (11'1" @ 173 liters and 10'5" @ 190 liters) are high volume when compared to my weight, they do catch EVERYTHING. When I'm down at Surfside and the waves are tiny, I'm the only one surfing because of the high volume of my two long sups.

The regular surfers with their shortboards are no where to be found. And I have the beach surf......all to myself. This is why when I got the idea of maybe getting a longboard, I started with a 9 footer because this is what I learned on to surf when I was 15 years old.

I have come across the 808 in comments. And thanks for the photos of your 808 with it's 5 fin boxes and those Future Vector 2 Quad Scimitar fins. It is a pity the 949 tops out at 9' in length. For me, the glide is the ride. Let me catch a wave that allows me to "glide" 100 yards to the beach and I'm in "Seventh Heaven".

In my last post, the woman in the video surfing the those small waves on her Walden 9'6" Magic, you can see the sheer delight in her smile as she's just enjoying the ride those small waves give her. That is EXACTLY how I feel when I'm sup surfing no matter the size of the waves.

BTW; thanks for seeing this topic thread and contributing your comments. You and I are alike with respect to the high volume boards we both like.

And I would like to publicly thank the other members on the Zone who have contributed to this topic thread as well.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfafrica on May 22, 2020, 11:30:54 AM
Sorry.....I couldn't resist posting this shot of my friend's kid pulling into a great one in Tofino on his 8'0 Walden Magic a few years ago.  This day was the best day I've ever surfed this spot (SC).  I joined him in the water on my SUP just after this picture was taken.  Me, him and one other local spent 45 minutes trading off waves while the conditions (swell, tide, wind) lasted.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXUKLezgnL7/

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on May 23, 2020, 10:40:54 AM
Night Wing

had the Modern double wide out for the first time today in Knee to thigh high waves.  Probably a little bigger than the intended use for the board of shin to knee waves.

I was impressed.  Got into waves noticably sooner than my 9'3 longboard, but it was chunkier to turn from the middle than my longboard just based on it being thinnner . The real thing it did- which I had hoped; was keep or exceed the paddle power of a longboard in an 8'4 package that I could swing into position for short period waves easier- which i think was a big need for you in Texas short period windswell


I think my traditional longbaord is going to see alot of rack time with this in the quiver this summer.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 26, 2020, 04:24:31 PM
I thought I would give a little update.

Over the last few days, I made a few phone calls to some surf shops down at Galveston, Texas and they put me in touch with some local shapers. I talked with two shapers and they told me the waves on the upper Texas coast are usually tiny to small waves most of the time with the exception being at Surfside.

They also told me a longboard between 9'-9'6" would be their recommendation. Back on the subject of tiny to small waves, a single fin nose rider would be a good choice. They also became aware I am a fan of five fin boxes. They told me a five box surfboard with the proper rocker and liters of volume for our tiny to small waves, can be ridden with one large single fin of at least 9" in length.

One of the shapers told me there is a woman in Australia name Tia Deighton who is an excellent surfer and nose rider. He told me one of her favorite surfboards is a nose rider made by Steve O'Donnell. He said her nose rider is 9'5" in length, but he didn't know the width, thickness or liters of volume of her board. He said her nose rider would be perfect for the waves found on the upper Texas coast.

Tia's nose rider can handle head high waves as well as calf high waves. The shaper sent me a link to one of Tia's videos and it shows her surfing her nose rider in the same type of waves I would encounter on the upper Texas coast. The link to the video is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRKKlDkAgUc
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Dusk Patrol on May 27, 2020, 03:08:22 AM
Nini Narvaez

https://lostnotfound.com/blogs/news/9-5-zen-featuring-nini-narvaez
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 27, 2020, 05:12:25 AM
@ Dusk Patrol

That was a nice video. I loved the slow motion action of it. That is my kind of surfing. Just gliding along. That is how I surf my sups.  Both Tia and Nini are excellent examples of how I like to surf.

Thanks for posting the video.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfafrica on May 27, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
I love that you are talking with a local shaper.  For me, riding a custom board that you discussed with a shaper and watched as it went from a blank to a glassed board actually adds to the experience and joy surfing it. 
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: burchas on May 27, 2020, 08:38:50 PM
I love that you are talking with a local shaper.  For me, riding a custom board that you discussed with a shaper and watched as it went from a blank to a glassed board actually adds to the experience and joy surfing it.

^+1
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 01, 2020, 07:03:15 AM
Continuing on.

Down at Galveston Island, there is Jimmy's Fishing Pier where they rent surfboards. I talked with a nice gentleman and we discussed what I wanted in a longboard.

So I listed my usual likes and wants such as 9'-9'6" in length, epoxy build since I'm not a fan of poly, multiple fin boxes, classic 60's style longhoarding, etc.

He told me I would have to compromise. I could get a surfing longboard made my a local shaper and get real close to what I wanted with certain attributes. But he also said there are some very good longboards built by well know shapers who have been around for at least 30 or more years.

He told me his is biased toward the Stewart line of surfboards since Bill Stewart has been shaping surfboards for over 30 years and his designs are very good.

Since the waves on the upper Texas coast are tiny to waist high most of the time, he knew of one board in particular which would be closest to what I wanted.

The board is a model name the "Ripster" which is a nose rider. It comes in many different lengths from 9'0" to 10'0". But, he also said Bill partnered with Surftech and they have made the Ripster with Tuflite so it is a very durable board. Much more durable than a poly board.

Now comes some of the differences.

The Surftech (Tuflite) Ripster only comes in two lengths and they are:

9'2" x 23.50" x 3" @ 71.1 liters

9'8" x 23.75" x 3.50" x @ 88.7 liters

Both boards only come as a single fin and the fin is extra. At my 140 pounds, he suggested a 9.5" fin for either of the 9'2" or the 9'8" lengths.

The 9'2" Ripster would be able to turn the nose quicker than the 9'8" one since it is 6" shorter in length. In Tuflite construction, both boards flex so they feel like a good poly built longboard.

He told me the 9'8" Ripster, with me at 140 pounds, would be very good for ankle high to slightly overhead waves. In essence a very, very good longboard.

He also told me the 9'2" Ripster would do the same although it might not be able to handle ankle high waves because of the shorter waterline than the 9'8", but he said these types of waves are basically "beach white water suds" near the beach.

What makes the Ripster such a good nose rider is the slight upturn in the square tail.

If the surf forecast is for small waves and if I went down to the beach and it isn't small, but ankle high, either length board would do well down at the Galveston Ship channel, between the South and North Jetties for some bow tanker wave surfing.

The link to the Surftech Tuflite Ripster is below. Once on the page, at the end of the prompt, "See More Details", there is a little "(+) sign and if you left click on it, you'll see detailed information.

https://surftech.com/stewart-ripster-tuflite-v-tech/

I went on YouTube to see if I could find a video for the Ripster and I did find one which is below. It has some excellent detailed information in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFRWwgYKEfM

I also found another video of the Surftech (Tuflite) Ripster in action, the 9'8" and it is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxNUh4D4vfw
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Dusk Patrol on June 01, 2020, 12:36:57 PM
That looks like a great board if you can personally live with the single fin.  I think you can in the interest of having a classic longboard in your quiver.   8)   
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: southwesterly on June 01, 2020, 07:57:24 PM

So I listed my usual likes and wants such as 9'-9'6" in length, epoxy build since I'm not a fan of poly, multiple fin boxes, classic 60's style longhoarding, etc.


Not too many epoxy multi-fin boxed classic boards back in the 60's.

In fact, none.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 02, 2020, 07:03:19 AM
@ Dusk Patrol

I've been on YouTube trying to find some tiny to small waves with someone longboarding on. I did find one and the waves in this video, small with mushy slow rollers, are sometimes the same as I find on Galveston Island. The woman in the video is shown gliding and nose riding. I'm a "glider". The longboard she is surfing, judging from the less rocker in the nose, is probably a single fin nose rider with 50/50 rails.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPhNBZz2L1c

As the person who I recently talked with, he told me I'll have to pick a board with regards to the "usual" type of waves I'm going to encounter on the upper Texas coast and the longboard best suited for these types of waves is a single fin nose rider. As he stated to me, "I will have to "compromise between my wants and my needs".

A performance longboard's nose has more rocker in it than a nose rider. With more rocker in the nose, this is why a performance longboard can surf bigger waves in height, than a nose rider with regards to the speed of the waves along with how fast they break (hollow against soft). With bigger waves, this is why a performance longboard over 9' in length can have 3 or 5 fin boxes depending on the shaper. The rails on a performance longboard are usually 60/40 too.

With the above said, I did find another longboard with more rocker in the nose than a nose rider. It is a Performance Signature Gear (SPG) performance longboard named the "Flow". The Flow's specs are 9’3" x 23 1/4″ x 3″. And it has 3 fin boxes with 60/40 rails. I just wish the site would have given the volumes of liters for this board.

http://www.signatureperformancegear.com/product/ivan-van-vuuren-93-2/

And there is a video of it and you can see the more rocker in this performance longboard than in a nose rider longboard. The shaper, Ivan in this video, gives the reasons why he shaped the Flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbYkvcsHOjA

And I've expanded my length range which I originally stated at the start of this thread which was 9' to 9'6". As of right now, I would hedge my bets between 9'2" in length to 9'8" in length.

BTW, at the end of the conversation with the local, I asked him what would he choose for a longboard for himself. He didn't hesitate and told me he would choose 9'4" x 23" x 3" and it wouldn't make too much of a difference for him whether it was a single fin nose rider or a multi-fin performance board.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 02, 2020, 07:11:44 AM
@ southwesterly

When I learned to surf when I was 15 years old way back in 1965, I learned on a 9' longboard with one single fin which was "glassed in". And the single fin was wide across the middle of the fin. In fact, it looked like the keel of a sailboat.

I figured as time went on, there would be more than one single fin attached to a surfboard and someone would eventually design a board with three fins or more. And with multiple fins, fin boxes would be the next progression to "mix and match different lengths of fins" if you get my drift.And it eventually came into being.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Bill Stewart was the one who came up with the idea of the three fin thruster setup over 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Dusk Patrol on June 02, 2020, 01:02:10 PM

Have you considered Stewart's Hydro Hull?


 Surftech has a decent deal on a TufLite 9'6  (x 23.5" x 3.3" @ 71L) with three fin boxes

https://surftech.com/stewart-hydro-hull-tuflite-2019/
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 02, 2020, 04:57:00 PM

Have you considered Stewart's Hydro Hull?


 Surftech has a decent deal on a TufLite 9'6  (x 23.5" x 3.3" @ 71L) with three fin boxes

https://surftech.com/stewart-hydro-hull-tuflite-2019/

Before I answer your question, you have to consider what type of waves I will encounter on the upper Texas coast. The best waves in height are at Surfside, Texas since the water is deeper offshore from the beach. Going up (north) to Galveston Island, the water is shallower since the offshore bottom is like a flat plate. Our upper Texas coast waves are wind driven.

Normally when one buys a surfboard, one's weight and height is factored in to determine length, width, thickness and liters of volume. But this won't work for the waves on the upper Texas coast.

What works is to put liters of volume "first", then "length". Why? Because when the wind is blowing 5 mph, we have ankle high slow roller mushy type of waves. With these types of waves, if you want to call them waves, volume and waterline length will let a rider surf these types of tiny waves.

With that said, I have looked at the Surftech Hydro Hull. The specs on the Surftech Hydro Hull are 9'6" x 23.50" x 3.3" @ 71 liters. The Surftech Ripster specs I'm looking at are 9'8" x 23.75" x 3.5" @ 88 liters.

https://surftech.com/stewart-ripster-tuflite-v-tech/

With slow roller mushy type of waves, the Ripster will be better able to handle these type of waves because of the slightly longer waterline length (2"), but with much more volume in liters (17). Basically, the Ripster will give the better glide over the Hydro Hull.

Even though I like multiple fin boxes, the single fin Ripster looks to be the better fit for the waves on the upper Texas coast. Like the local shapers have all told me, I am going to have to compromise.

As for the Surftech's Ripster 9'8" length, the swing of the nose might be a problem. Since one shaper told me he would prefer a 9'4" longboard, on Bill Stewart's site, the "stock" Ripster comes in many different lengths and the one that interests me is his Ripster at 9'4" x 23.75" x 3.25" @ 79 liters.

https://stewartsurfboards.com/collections/surftech-ripster

So that is 2" shorter than the Hydro Hull which would help with the swing of the nose quicker, but with 8 more liters of volume than the Hydro Hull for those tiny waves.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Biggreen on June 02, 2020, 05:53:58 PM
There’s a couple of very talented guys there in SS that could build you a nice board that suit the local waves, and probably be a less expensive option. Good guys. When you come over the causeway bridge, stop at those shops directly on the right at the light and inquire about local board builders. Someone there should be able to help you find them. I know lots of people that ride their boards and are plenty happy. And you’d support a local board builder
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 02, 2020, 07:34:08 PM
@ Biggreen

The causeway bridge is Hwy 332. I know there is a Cicle K Food Mart place on Fort Velasco Drive. The place I think you're telling me about is across from the Circle K store which is named, Breaker Sports.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surlygringo on June 02, 2020, 09:26:39 PM
Nightwing, good for you for at least contemplating returning to prone surfing. I don’t think you necessarily need to compromise on the features you are looking for  if you have the budget.  I know of at least one board out there that meets all your qualifications. Harley Ingleby has a board in his line, “The Cruiser” that is a soft railed, low rocker traditional style board that  has quad boxes and a big single. In one of his vids he says people think he’s crazy for putting the extra boxes on that style of board, but he likes the quads in beach breaks. You can run a single fin for pure noseriding. His boards are now being made in what he calls “thunderbolt technology”. seems really strong,  but better flex than a lot of epoxy boards. It is pretty expensive. I think he has a 9’1” and a 9’5” in “The Cruiser.”
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfcowboy on June 02, 2020, 10:40:41 PM
Stewart did not invent the Thruster (3 fins of equal size) that was Simon Anderson. Those Stewart multi-fins are awesome. And they are made for surfing big powerful waves (head high plus) and cranking big turns that would buckle my knees.

This has been a great thread. Get well and enjoy your 5 fin longboard man.

PS Don’t ever put the other 4 in the boxes and you’ll be fine. ;)

Hope to surf Surfside with you some day. I love a tiny wave more than most anyone. But maybe before you buy, go read the replies with a piece of paper and count how many people told you the same exact thing. That might be the thing to do/buy. You seem like a data guy.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 03, 2020, 04:59:26 AM
@ Dusk Patrol

I found a little graph to compare the Surftech Hydro Hull and the Surftech Ripster. But you'll have to open a tab or a window to see both surfboards side by side on the graph. (Sorry I'm so detailed oriented)

At the link the below, once you're on the page, scroll on down to the prompt, "See more details". To the left and right of the prompt, there are two little plus signs (+). Click on one of them.

A small graph will show up and you will be able to see what the Hydro Hull can handle wave wise.

https://surftech.com/stewart-hydro-hull-tuflite/

Now do the same for the Surftech Tipster at the link below.

https://surftech.com/stewart-ripster-tuflite-v-tech/

You'll see why the I prefer the Ripster over the Hydro Hull.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 03, 2020, 05:14:58 AM
@ surlygringo

Thanks for the tip on the "Cruiser" built by Harley Ingleby. I would be more interested in the 9'5" Cruiser in Thunderbolt Technology.

I retired at 60 years of age. That was 10 years ago since I'm now 70. I planned for retirement and the money needed to retire at 60, when I was 23 years old so when it comes to money and the budget, money is not a problem for me.

Thank you for chiming in to help me out in this topic thread. Your participation in this topic thread is appreciated by me. Once I leave the Zone, I'll hunt for his website and hope he has one.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 03, 2020, 05:40:54 AM
This has been a great thread. Get well and enjoy your 5 fin longboard man.

PS Don’t ever put the other 4 in the boxes and you’ll be fine. ;)

Hope to surf Surfside with you some day. I love a tiny wave more than most anyone. But maybe before you buy, go read the replies with a piece of paper and count how many people told you the same exact thing. That might be the thing to do/buy. You seem like a data guy.

I'm glad you like this topic thread. :) I like it too. 8) Since the Zone is primarily a sup site, I didn't think a surfing prone longboard topic would get much traffic. But I'm glad it has.

And I had to ask Admin in a private message if I could start this topic here on the Zone. He gave me permission and this is how this topic thread was born.

One of the reasons I like multiple fin boxes is because on the upper Texas coast; with our tiny to small waves most of the time, my One World 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 liters and my BP Duke 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 liters, both sups have 5 fin Futures boxes.

Each board easily handles the tiny to small waves very well as long as a person is more interested in "gliding" to the beach instead of carving or shredding waves. To increase speed to harness the dynamic lift of these type of waves for both sups, I surf both sups in a quad fin setup (2, 5") (2, 4") fins. And both high volume sups do very well with me surfing them with me being (now) 140 pounds.

And I am a data guy. It goes with my penchant for "details" no matter how small the detail. When I'm researching "anything", I'm on a blood hunt so to speak. When I go on YouTube or Vimeo looking at surfing videos for sups or prone surfboards information wise, it really chaps me to no end when there is no information for the particular board I'm watching the man or woman surfing.

The info I'm looking for is; how long is the board, what is it's width, what is it's thickness and how many liters of volume for the boards. For some reason, this is never mentioned when in my opinion, it should always be mentioned.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surlygringo on June 03, 2020, 08:57:48 AM
Here is a link to Harley surfing and talking a bit about the Cruiser.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPdi7LRlbE

I know that FireWire is now carrying his boards in the thunderbolt technology(the 9’5” is 23” wide by 3 3/8” with 87ltrs) They also  have a couple of videos explaining the tech. I haven’t ridden it, but it makes a lot of sense to me especially in a longboard.

I am not really a longboard surfer, but I have spent some time on them and can crossstep and kook around on the nose a bit. I have surfed your part of the gulf as well as the west coast of Florida and bearing in mind my shortboard background disclaimer I would like to throw in my vote for the utility of a quad setup: requires less technique to surf on those peaky onshore days and feels faster in tiny waves than a big single fin, and won’t drag on the sandbar when trying to eek everything out of micro surf:)
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 03, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
@ surlygringo

I found the Harley Ingleby site and looked at the Cruiser. The Cruiser at 9'5" x 23" x 3 3/16" @ 87 liters would work for the upper Texas coastal waves for me. And having 5 fin boxes it a plus too (for me). Have I ever mentioned I am fan of 5 fin boxes?  ;D The Cruiser can be found at the Harley Ingleby site below for anyone who is interested.

https://harleyinglebyseries.com/

I did see the video which you posted. But, I went on YouTube to see if I could find other videos of the Cruiser and the Thunderbolt Technology. And I did find 3 of them and they are all below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBGX4B7LPnU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZo0fV_P1t4

Now the third video explains "in detail" the Thunderbolt Technology in BLACK & RED. Since I'm a lightweight at 140 pounds, I would prefer the RED technology with good flex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_i_hWE_lBQ

BTW, I saw the price of one of the boards in the first video which was ($1,350.00). But with the technology to build the board, speaking just for myself, it is worth the money (to me).

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfcowboy on June 04, 2020, 10:10:01 PM
Wing, the reason is that a lot of classic longboards in production follow a pretty standard set of dims. There are changes but really, you can average them pretty well.


I’ll take a crack but guys pitch in here.

9’6” x 23” x 3” there are variants but I can tell you that a ton of boards fall very close to what’s there. Maybe 6” either way on length, up to 1” less in width, and maybe 1/4” to 1/2” less in thickness.

But out here at least, on classic longboards, you’ll see a hundred pound girl at 5’4” and a 200 guy at 6’1” on pretty much the same board. Any Saturday Malibu is filled with a hundred boards that all pretty much ceased to innovate around the mid 60’s and are within a pretty small range in dimensions. I’ve never really considered it til you brought this up.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: burchas on June 05, 2020, 05:47:41 AM
Wing, the reason is that a lot of classic longboards in production follow a pretty standard set of dims. There are changes but really, you can average them pretty well.

It even gotten to a point that I've seen some snarky designers put "Enough Volume" as a measurement ;D True story.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: SUP Leave on June 05, 2020, 10:27:57 AM
Wing, the reason is that a lot of classic longboards in production follow a pretty standard set of dims. There are changes but really, you can average them pretty well.


I’ll take a crack but guys pitch in here.

9’6” x 23” x 3” there are variants but I can tell you that a ton of boards fall very close to what’s there. Maybe 6” either way on length, up to 1” less in width, and maybe 1/4” to 1/2” less in thickness.

But out here at least, on classic longboards, you’ll see a hundred pound girl at 5’4” and a 200 guy at 6’1” on pretty much the same board. Any Saturday Malibu is filled with a hundred boards that all pretty much ceased to innovate around the mid 60’s and are within a pretty small range in dimensions. I’ve never really considered it til you brought this up.

Its a good comment. I don't think NW should worry too much about volume at 140lb. Plan shape, rocker and fins should be all you need to worry about. Glide will never be a problem.

 I was sitting in a break a few years ago and there were a couple of female longboarders plus me and another big guy (Leon). Me and Leon both had 10' nose riders (mine is an old Ukulele Drifter) with 9.5" single fin. The young ladies both had 9'ish boards that were probably 22" wide. They were sort of making fun of our "barges" and we were having a laugh. I told them that if I wanted a board that matched my weight compared to theirs, I would need to ride a board 12' long and 28" wide.

Trust me, 10' by 23" feels like a barge no matter how big you are.

Now this thread has me wanting to try a quad fin longboard really bad. Surfcowboys comment on long single fins hitting the sand or reef on small waves is a good one. I found a 10.5" Greenough hatchet fin at Lpoko last summer (broken at the tang). Looked like they popped it out on a coral head.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Dusk Patrol on June 05, 2020, 12:48:42 PM
(mine is an old Ukulele Drifter) with 9.5" single fin.

Ok … Ukulele Drifter is an inspired name... 
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 05, 2020, 02:48:49 PM
Now this thread has me wanting to try a quad fin longboard really bad. Surfcowboys comment on long single fins hitting the sand or reef on small waves is a good one. I found a 10.5" Greenough hatchet fin at Lpoko last summer (broken at the tang). Looked like they popped it out on a coral head.

I admit I'm a sucker for a 5 fin board. For me, a 5 fin sup or surfboad, is my "Dark Side".

The Harley Ingleby surfboards are really nice boards. On the HI site, if one looks at the specs of the Cruiser, 9'5" x 23" x 3 3/8" @ 87 liters, is designed to handle waves from 1' - 6' in height.

But there is a another HI surfboard that is a good one too. It is the Diamond Drive and it's specs, 9'4" x 23" x 3 1/16" @ 76 liters, is designed to handle waves from 2' - 9' in height.

For the waves on the upper Texas coast, the Cruiser looks to be better of the two.

The USA contact place for HI is in Carlsbad, California. I started, pardon the pun, surfing around for HI dealers and I ran across a dealer, "Surf Ride" in Waco, Texas.

https://www.surfride.com/

But, the place is temporarily closed because of the virus. It would be nice if I decided to purchase the Cruiser from Surf Ride since Waco, Texas is about a three hour drive from my home.

Another dealer, Hawaiian South Shore, is in Honolulu, Hawaii.

https://www.hawaiiansouthshore.com/
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: exiled on June 05, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
Harley Ingleby surfboards distribute through Firewire, so any place that sells them should be able to order an HI board for you. Check the store locator at https://firewiresurfboards.com/find-a-surf-shop (https://firewiresurfboards.com/find-a-surf-shop)
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 06, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
I've been really impressed with the Harley Ingleby surfboards. And to make matters worse, Harley has another new board which I somehow missed. It is the HI-4.

The HI-4 comes in two different lengths:

9'1" x 22 9/16" x 2 4/4" @ 64.5 Liters with 5 fin boxes, 18" nose and rounded pin tail.

9'3" x 23" x 2 7/8" @ 70 Liters with 5 fin boxes, 19" nose and rounded square tail.

These two boards are rated for 1' - 9' for wave heights. I favor the 9'3" model.

Below are two videos.

The first video is the stock PR (public relations) video for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqVbCgr4S0Q

The second video is more for the technical aspects of the HI-4. Just wish the video was wider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2-Z3IQpIA

Model wise, I like the 9'3" HI - 4 which is rated for 1' - 9' wave heights and the 9'5" Cruiser which is rated for 1' - 6' wave heights. At this time, I slightly favor the 9'3" Hi - 4 over the 9'5" Cruiser.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on December 11, 2020, 07:22:14 AM
Thought I would resurrect this topic.

After looking at many brands of surfboards and finally making a decision on what surfboard I wanted, I chose the Harley Ingleby HI4 (9'3" x 23" x 2 7/8" @ 70 Liters) with 5 fin boxes in Thunderbolt "Red" construction and this construction is better suited for the waves I would encounter on the upper Texas coast.

Unfortunately because of the pandemic, it seems everyone who likes to surf, they have bought out just about every surfboard at every dealer no matter the brand. Bummer!

With lots of time on my hands, I waited a few months and still, the Harley Ingleby dealers still do not have this particular model in stock. So I kept my routine of watching the streaming webcams on the upper Texas coast.

While watching the 43rd Str webcam on the Galveston Seawall, I spied a lifeguard's truck on the beach and on top of the raised racks, there was a single fin surfboard which the lifeguard uses and this gave me another idea.

BTW, the link to the streaming webcam is below and this camera can be controlled. The controls are at the bottom right hand corner and the positions are at the upper right corner when you have control of the camera.

https://www.galveston.com/webcams/surfvideocam/

I called the city of Galveston and talked with someone in the City Parks Department and wanted some info on the single fin surfboards all of their lifeguards use. Specifically I wanted to talk to a lifeguard on what length board they use, brand name and model and length and type of fin which is installed on those boards.

I left my name and phone number hoping a lifeguard would return my call. As luck would have it, a lifeguard did call me back. I picked the lifeguard's brain because I asked a lot of "detailed" questions which took 30 minutes of time.

The lifeguard told me the city issues him a 9' longboard with a single fin and the fin was either a 9" or a 9.5" since they had a choice. The fin which they use was a fin designed for "speed" since the waves on the Galveston beachfront are tiny, small and medium depending on various factors.

The lifeguard knew of my choice and also knew about Thunderbolt Technologies which builds boards in Black, Red and Silver construction. He agreed with me in Red Thunderbolt for our waves on the upper Texas coast. But, he told me I should re-visit a board with a single fin.

He told me there is a man named CJ Nelson who builds some very fast single fin longboards with Black, Red and Silver construction. And Firewire carries many of his models, but at the moment, they don't have any of his boards in stock since they are all sold out of everyone of his models they carry.

He told me CJ made a 39 minute video with the Firewire representative where he discussed surfing and many of his newest models (Outlier, Parallax, Neo Classic, Sprout) and every one of models have a single fin. He sent me, via email, a link to it. It is quite informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jovSlemhGJ0

He told me he thought either the Parallax model in either the 9'3" x 23 1/2" x 3 3/16" @ 78.8 liters or the 9'6" x 23 3/4" x 3 1/4" @ 81.4 liters would be a very good choice for me at my 145 pound weight. The crapshoot would be the length and type of fin, but length wise, he said I could cover all of my bases with five lengths which are 8.5", 9.0", 9.5", 10" and 10.5".

The position of the single fin in the center box is also important depending on the size and type of wave. Near the front of the box for a looser and faster speed or at the back of the box for less speed and more stability.

I thanked the lifeguard for his time, knowledge and patience with me since the call was 30 minutes in length. The lifeguard was gracious and told me if I had any more questions to give him a call because he enjoyed talking about surfing.

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Dusk Patrol on December 11, 2020, 09:44:22 AM
Quite the story, Wing... and you found the right lifeguard : )
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: SUP Leave on December 11, 2020, 10:44:47 AM
With regard to the fin, the shape has a lot to do with how stable the board is. A wider fin makes the board far more stable, and rigid. The in between is a "pivot" style fin, which is wide at the base and narrows at the tip.

A fin with a wide base, or wide throughout will require you to be a little more prepared to "turn and burn". Meaning you have to be strong with your movements to rock the board back on its tail, pull the nose around, flop back on your belly, and start paddling. A thruster is much easier to do this move, as the fins are meant for turning. You don't have to pay as close of attention, you can steer a thruster much easier from the prone position.

I enjoy surfing a single fin on a cruiser longboard, it is all about trim and glide. Turning a wide single fin is pivot turning which is actually a little harder than standing over a tri fin or quad set and leaning. I should not say you can't turn a single fin from the back 1/2 of the board it is just more of a swoop, than any sort of quick turn (unless its a pivot turn).

@Dusk Patrol - Ukulele is the brand that Chris Ruddy used to shape for. He still makes the Drifter.

http://www.chrisruddysurfboards.com/shop/a449cajndkwyxnf21paqj698f6dr5v
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on December 12, 2020, 05:35:29 AM
I enjoy surfing a single fin on a cruiser longboard, it is all about trim and glide. Turning a wide single fin is pivot turning which is actually a little harder than standing over a tri fin or quad set and leaning. I should not say you can't turn a single fin from the back 1/2 of the board it is just more of a swoop, than any sort of quick turn (unless its a pivot turn).

Like you, I also like long cruiser type of boards whether they be prone or sup boards. When I was a teenager (15 years old, circa 1965), my first prone surfboard was a 9' in length with one single fin. Since there were no fin boxes back then, the single fin was "glassed in" so one couldn't move the fin back or forward.

On this style of board, my type of surfing would be considered "boring" because I just like to cruise (trim and glide). But with the advent of fin boxes and different types of materials for boards and how they are built, they are endless possibilities on how to make a very fast mid length or fast longboard with one single fin.

As an example. CJ Nelson is a power surfer even though he is not that big weight wise. His fastest mid length board is a model named the "Outlier". This board is very fast with the right type of waves. He normally rides it in a 7'6" length, but he has a video of him surfing his 8'0" model (8'0" x 22 1/2" x 3 1/8" @ 59.7 liters) at the Surf Ranch in California which I'm going to show in the video below.

He is turning the board at the middle of the board when he is just gliding down the wave. This is how I turned my old prone surfboard when I was a teenager and how I turn my two 10'5" Dukes and my 11'1" One World sups.

The fin that he is using on this Outlier 8' board is a 9.5" Flying Diamonds "Involvement" fin in G-10 material and I will list in a second video where explains why he uses this fin on this board. But the Outlier can be finicky to tune fin wise depending on various factors. I also show a third video on how this board can be finicky.

The first video is below and he can really surf his 8' board with his 9.5" fin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvmCdIpv76Y

The second video has a lot of "specific details" in it and details are right up my alley if you get my drift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2IWP8PssMU

The last video is where the "average surfer" found it a little difficult to find the right fin for his 7'6" Outlier and he finally found, with his style and the type of waves he usually surfs, a 9.0" fin works best for him. The guy behind the camera has a 8.0" Outlier and he surfs it with a 8.5" fin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsjhOGJfut4

Since this message is getting long, I'm going to make another message and show casing the CJ Nelso "Parallax".
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on December 12, 2020, 06:04:24 AM
This message is going to have three videos in it.

The first video is with CJ Nelson on why he designed the Parallax for "enjoyment".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoGR432beew

The second video is a person who has a CJ Nelson "Classic" and the Parallax feels totally different. The Parallax is a fast longboard that can be turned mid board. This would be perfect for the tiny to small waves I usually encounter.

The Parallax in this video is 9'6" in length, but the guy doing the recording says it is a 9'5" length. At the end of the video, the specs are shown and I stopped the video and looking at the specs, it is a 9'6" length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1zhDSbgZt8

The last video is a review of the Parallax 9'6" by REAL Watersports. In this video, the board was fitted with a 9.0" fin and they didn't like it. The board was then fitted with a 8.5" fin and both guys liked this fin for the wave conditions they found for the day of this review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzbBiKVdDQk

For me at my weight and with our wind driven waves on the upper Texas coast, the fast single fin longboard would be a good in the same vein as the Harley Ingleby HI4 with 5 fin boxes.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: LBsup on December 12, 2020, 06:56:41 AM
Hi Night Wing, It appears Realwatersports has the boards you want in stock.

https://www.realwatersports.com/collections/harley-ingleby-hi4/products/harley-ingleby-hi4-thunderbolt-black-95

Good luck with your decision or purchase.

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on December 12, 2020, 09:02:55 AM
Hi Night Wing, It appears Realwatersports has the boards you want in stock.

https://www.realwatersports.com/collections/harley-ingleby-hi4/products/harley-ingleby-hi4-thunderbolt-black-95

"Close, but no cigar". The "devil" is "always in the small details which get overlooked".

Real Watersports has the Harley Ingleby HI4 model in Black Thunderbolt, but this model of construction has less flex more suited to bigger waves along with bigger people weight wise than me.

At my weight with the tiny to small waves which are typically found on the upper Texas, the Thunderboalt Red with its more flex than the Thunderbolt Black, is best suited for me. And REAL Watersports only has the HI4 in "Black", but I need/want the "Red" no matter if I went with the HI4 or the Parallax.

This is explained in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1WKMvLZj_U

REAL Watersports does have the Parallax in Thunderbolt Red, but they only have it in the 9'6" model, no 9'3" model. At the link below, you'll have to scroll on down to the bottom of the page to see the three Parallaxs they have in stock at the time of this post.

https://www.realwatersports.com/collections/cj-nelson-parallax

I'm leaning towards the Parallax in the 9'3" length since the HI4 also comes in a 9'3" length.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 20, 2021, 08:48:09 PM
Thought I would give an update on this topic thread.

After doing lots of research, I finally made a decision on getting a single fin longboard over my favorite muti-fin longboards. After getting in touch with REAL Watersports in North Carolina, I made the decision to get a CJ Nelson "Parallax" model longboard in Thunderbolt Red construction. It's specifications are: 9'3" x 23 1/2" x 3 3/16" @ 78.8 liters in Volan Green color.

I left my email address with REAL and REAL told me it would be a long wait for this particular longboard due to the pandemic. Yesterday REAL left me an email and told me they were getting a few Parallax's in the Thunderbolt Red construction in Volan Green and the boards would arrive in late June (2021).

I called REAL this morning as soon as they opened and placed my order for the board above. It will be delivered to Fed EX Freight at FED EX's truck terminal in northwest Houston (Tx) in the last week of June or the first week in July where I will pick it up.

But this board does not come with a fin. Along with my research for this board, I also did research on longboard fins which would work well with my physical weight and the waves down at Surfside, Tx. BTW; after my three surgical procedures I had done in a span of 19 days, my weight went down to 138 lbs, but I now weigh an even 150 lbs.

The single longboard fin I wanted was a Flying Diamonds "Involvement" fin in volan green color which was designed by CJ Nelson. I figured I needed a 9.0. or a 9.5, but I didn't know which one.

I hunted all around the internet and there was a surf shop (Hawaiian South Shore) in Honolulu, Hi which had both sizes in the Involvement fin and also in volan green color. After getting their opinion on how much I weighed, where I surfed, how I surfed and what waves I would normally encounter at Surfside, I went with the 9.0 size.

The fin was shipped today at their closing and I should receive it by next Friday (28th of May).

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfinJ on May 20, 2021, 10:23:27 PM
Single finned is the way to go.  I hope you enjoy the new board when it comes.
You could pop the fin in one of your sups to feel it out while you wait.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Badger on May 21, 2021, 03:43:57 AM
NW, you must be in great shape to still be able to prone surf at your age. I'm 64 and there is no way I could do it.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 21, 2021, 06:12:49 AM
NW, you must be in great shape to still be able to prone surf at your age.

I turned 71 in February. I'm not in that great of shape. Since I've been using a sup for a few years now for both flatwater paddling and sup surfing, my back problems no longer appear.

But, I have a partial tear of my meniscus in my left knee. I put my left foot in a gopher hole where the gopher hole was hidden under some sycamore tree leaves. It caused me to fall and I fell on an exposed root of the sycamore tree and the exposed root was also hidden under the leaves.

When my left knee hit the root, it caused a large and very painful bone bruise on the inside of my left knee. My knee really was still swollen after one month of time and that was when I went to see my orthopedic surgeon, the same one who repaired both my left and right shoulder joints.

My surgeon told me, after the MRI, a partial tear of a meniscus is "not" the same thing as a torn meniscus because of where the tear is located. My partial tear is in the middle of the meniscus and not on the side of the meniscus. Think of a doughnut where the hole in the doughnut is where my partial tear is located. He told me my pain and swelling was due to the bone bruise and a stretched ACL ligament. Not from the partial tear.

He told me getting to the partial tear would cause more harm than good damage wise. He gave me some exercises to do at my home and he said it would take about two months of therapy and my pain would go away. And I wouldn't even know I had a partial tear.

I told him I was still concerned at  the partial tear. He told when the partial tear, tears all the way to the outside edge of the meniscus, my left knee would DEFINITELY let me know to come see him. I asked my surgeon should I "baby" the left knee and he said, "absolutely not". He told me when the pain in the left knee goes away, just use it like you normally would no matter the activity I was doing.

The waves down at Surfside, they are not big waves like what you find where you surf. My style of sup surfing and prone surfing is just made for a longboard. I don't surf shortboards. Surfing a shorboard is a lot of work especially at my present age of 71 and I surf for "pure enjoyment" which is also known as "fun" and not work.

Most of the "young bucks" on their shortboards at Surfside, they view my style of surfing as "boring". They like to shred waves, pump their boards when the waves just aren't suited to their style of surfing, etc.

I told one young buck, out of twenty waves when the waves are knee high, I can surf all twenty where you can only surf maybe three waves on your 22-27 liters in their 6' in length or shorter, shortboards. The young buck told me I have a point which can't he couldn't refute.

My style of surfing is to get out in front of the wave and just glide almost to the beach and this is why I get and enjoy many long rides. The young bucks have nicknamed me, "grandpa" and they told me to wear that nickname like a badge of honor since many of them have told me they hope to be still surfing if and when they reach my present age.

You can see some to the waves I like to surf in the two videos below. One is at Surfside and the other is at Port Aransas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l79tQAscljA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DlIVeSEIPw
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Dontsink on May 21, 2021, 08:17:05 AM
Takayama InThePink or Walden Magic.
Both are allrounder Longboards, with the Takayama leaning more towards nose riding and the Walden to turning.

I hate poliester but specially in longboards, they are a big ding waiting to happen.So i recommend epoxy whatever you get.
This is heresy,i know :)
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 21, 2021, 10:45:50 AM
@ Dontsink

Longboards are usually described as being 9' in length and over. For the longest time, longboards fell into two categories which are HPLB's (high performance longboards) and NR's (nose riders). But times have changed. There is a third category which I call NLB's (niche longboards).

HPLB's usually have multiple fin boxes (3 or 4 fin boxes). NR's usually have single fin boxes and the key word is "usually". I have seen some NR's with 3 or 4 fin boxes, but the usual norm is a single fin box.

HPLB's can be steered by putting the back foot over the fins or on the rails above the fins. NR's usually are steered by putting the back foot over the single fin (or over a 2 + 1 setup).

A NB (niche board) is usually steered by shifting one's weight over the center of the board to turn right or left. No need to put the back foot over the fin(s) on the underside of the board. No need either to put the back foot on the left or right rail for turning. So the Parallax is the best of both words for steering or turning.

And the above is why I chose the Parallax and as a bonus, this design by CJ Nelson is a very fast longboard.

Since I don't nose ride, I just wanted a NB to enjoy myself without working at it or to please anyone on the beach looking at me. The Parallax is this type of board. If the waves have enough juice in them, I could nose ride it, but that isn't my style.

I agree poly (PU) boards are a "dent" machine. They ride nice and feel good underfoot when riding a wave, but they ding easily. The Thunderbolt Technology feels like a poly, but it doesn't ding easily. One really has to work at it to ding one. Thunderbolt comes in Red and Black materials. For a lightweight person like myself who surfs in small waves most of the time, the Red is the right choice because it is not as stiff "flex wise" as the Black.

On the internet, many people are discovering Thunderbolt Technology. Below is a good video for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6kWgb0OGI4

And one more video as a "teaser" for the Parallax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTPvAoDG9t4



Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 21, 2021, 11:14:24 AM
I hope you enjoy the new board when it comes.
You could pop the fin in one of your sups to feel it out while you wait.

My One World sup is 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 liters. My two Duke sups are 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 liters. Since I sup surf small waves at Surfside, Tex; both of these two sup models surf best with a 4 fin quad setup. Why? Because of the small waves, the quad fin setup allows both of these tow boards to generate speed which in turn helps with the small amount of dynamic lift these waves produce and gives me a nice ride.

A single 9.0 or a 9.5 fin would have a hard time with these two big boards when sup surfing small waves. How do I know? I tried a single 9" fin down at Surfside on both of these boards above and it just doesn't work well enough on these two models to give me a nice ride.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Dontsink on May 21, 2021, 11:20:31 AM
That Parallax looks interesting for sure.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfinJ on May 22, 2021, 10:19:59 PM
Stick with what works.  Your waves are beautiful. Waves for geezers, which I could use more of around here.
Gliding on a longboard is for me one of the joyous feelings that keeps it going.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 23, 2021, 06:42:40 AM
@ surfinJ

I absolutely LOVE "geezer" type waves for both prone and sup surfing. Pure enjoyment. Hence, my preference for longboards for both prone and sup surfing since these type of boards fit my style of surfing which is the old "classic" style of surfing from the 1960's.

It is 110 miles from my home to Surfside, Tx. So the round trip is 220 miles. I leave my home to go to Surfside at 5:00 am and I get to Surfside at around 7:15 am.

I usually surf the waves at Surfside between the hours of 7:30 am to 11:30 am with a few breaks inbetween to head back to my truck to rehydrate myself and get a little bit of rest.

I take four rest breaks which are 15 minutes in time for each rest break. So three hours of actual surfing will take it's toll on the body for both young and old (like me) if one doesn't take a rest every now and then and gets lots of Gatorade in one's self.

For those "lurkers" on this site who have not registered for any reasons and anyone else interested, I suppose they are wondering how much did the Parallax cost me?

The 9'3" Parallax cost me $1,125.00 and shipping cost was/is, because of the length of the board, $199.99 for a grand total of ($1,324.99).

When REAL Watersports left me an email, the email stated they had a few Parallax boards coming in late June in the length, construction and color which I wanted. They asked me if I wanted to pre-order one and make a $100.00 non-refundable deposit to "hold" the board in my name.

I remembered when REAL got two of the 9'3" Parallax boards back in January of 2021 in Red construction and white in color, they sold both boards in the span of 10 days. But I was still doing research and missed out. The old "you snooze, you lose".

So I called REAL and gave them my credit card number for the non-refundable deposit. The rest of money for the board will be charged to my credit card when the board is shipped along with the tracking number.

REAL told me they used FED EX to ship their boards and it would be delivered to my home with a signature required. But, I told them to ship the board, in my name with driver's license identification and signature required, to the FED EX truck terminal at 9010 Jackrabbit Rd in Houston, Tx. REAL asked me why I would do that?

I told REAL, the fewer people handling the long package containing the board during transit would lessen the damage percentage wise during transit. So I removed the damage possibility from the trucking terminal and then being loaded upon the delivery truck to my home handling wise. Even if the board would be damaged in transit, REAL told me it wouldn't cost me any money and REAL would replace the Parallax.

I told REAL, you can't replace this particular model in the length, Red construction and color (volan green) I want if REAL sells out of them and I would have to wait another 4 to 6 months in time to get the replacement. And at 71, I'm not getting any younger and REAL said I had a very good point.

When the board arrives, probably in the first week of July, I will take pictures of it and the 9.0 fin and post them in this topic thread.

 

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: surfinJ on May 23, 2021, 10:49:24 PM
You got stoke Night Wing. Between your health challenges and the distance to the beach, did not realize how far you had to go.  Glad to see you go for it.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 24, 2021, 05:34:17 AM
@ surfinJ

When I was doing my research and narrowed it down to a single fin longboard, this is when I ran across CJ Nelson. After CJ retired from competitive surfing, he started designing surfboards. His last three designs were the Outlier, Parallax and the Neo Classic. And Ryan Engle shaped these prototype model boards. Engle has been around a long time with an excellent reputation as a shaper.

When I started to zero in on the Parallax, I had no trouble finding online reviews of it on YouTube. But there wasn't any actual surfing footage of it on YouTube. There were actual surfing videos for the Outlier and Neo Classic, but none for the Parallax.

I had to "hunt" for the actual footage for surfing for the Parallax. I ran across a site, Jamboards, which had a topic thread in for CJ Nelson's boards. And I ran across the Vimeo video in it showing the prototypes for the Outlier, Parallax, Neo Classic and the Sprout.

In the video below, there are two white colored boards, side by side, with pintails in different lengths. One of them was the Outlier, the shorter length one and the other was the longer length one, the Parallax. I recognized the Parallax in the video and CJ was surfing it in this video. It is a long 15 minute video. And watch it in full screen mode and high definition setting.

https://vimeo.com/403510408

Now lets get to some fins. Since CJ designed his boards, it was a logical step for him to actually design fins specifically made for these different model boards. And he is the owner of Flying Diamonds fins which is at the link below.

https://flyingdiamondsca.com/fin-collections/cj-nelson-fins/

The right fin design and the length of it determines how good or bad a surfboard will perform for a given set of waves. My choice came down to a Flying Diamonds "Parallax" fin and a "Involvement" fin. For the waves I normally encounter, the Involvement seems to be the best choice and I will know for sure when I actually surf the 9'3' Parallax with the 9.0 fin.

The Parallax has a long fin box. Where to put the fin in the box is very important. Placing the fin all the way back in the rear of the fin box makes the board track straight, but it might make the board too "tracky" for a turn. Placing the fin all the up at the front of the fin box will make the board very loose which will make the board "skid out" on a turn.

Instead of "guessing" where the correct spot for the fin is to be placed in the fin box, there is a way for getting it real close to where it should be placed. And the 15 minute long video below explains that. Watch the video for this segment when CJ goes to his warehouse. Again, watch this video in full screen mode and high definition setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl8WhZj-9TM

As you can see, I'm detail oriented so I do my homework when it comes to research.

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 24, 2021, 05:41:22 AM
Thought I would make one more post to help explain the Thunderbolt Technologie in Red and Black construction. In the video below, you will see why I specifically chose the Red construction.

Taylor Jensen really does an excellent job explaining the Red and Black construction in conjunction with surfers and the waves they surf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4ecCO-LXWc
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Subber on May 24, 2021, 11:16:06 AM
Nice NW!
Appreciate the videos and research.

Boy, that has some flat rocker.

I've got an old Pearson/CJ Nelson Noserider by Surftech that I purchased used.
I've only surfed it a few times as I'm usually on my SUP, and my popup isn't that great.
I will say, it begs you to go to the nose - so you may become a noserider,
if the Parallax is similar to it.  Both have that very flat rocker.

Let us know all about what you think of it when you get it.

I wish CJ made SUP noserider.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: sflinux on May 24, 2021, 11:59:39 AM
For those that may be interested, surf simply did an interesting interview with CJ Nelson where he talked about wanting to retire from competition and pursue alternate board design.:
https://surfsimply.com/podcast/59-surviving-holds-downs-cj-nelson-interview/ (https://surfsimply.com/podcast/59-surviving-holds-downs-cj-nelson-interview/)
The surviving hold-downs discussion is interesting as well.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 24, 2021, 03:03:49 PM
@ Subber

I'm glad you like this topic thread and all the research I've found for it.

The Parallax is not a nose rider because of it's pintail. CJ designed this longboard to be very fast, easy to ride without any "pumping" of your legs, being able to "trim" (turn the board from the midpoint of the board) and to be able to carve a wave, not shred a wave.

Basically a fun type of board made for pure enjoyment. Since it is a fast board, the board will always be able to be out in front of a slow wave. Since it is a fast longboard for it's length, mine being 9'3", it can easily out run a wave so it needs to be able to make that nice bottom turn to get back in touch with the wave no matter how small or how high the wave is depending on one's skill level.

The Parallax will nose ride, but the wave has to have plenty of "juice" in it to do so. But I'm not a nose rider. Never have been. Never will be. I love the glide of a longboard and this is why I chose the Parallax.

CJ does ride his Parallax which is: 9'6" x 23 3/4" x 3 1/4" @ 81.4 liters with a 10.5 "Parallax" Flying Diamonds fin. Not an "Involvement" fin.

If one wants a nice single fin niche board that can do what the Parallax can do and can nose ride easily, then another of CJ's designed boards can do this and it is his "Neo Classic" longboard. The Neo Classic comes in two lengths which are: 9'5" x 23 1/2" x 3 1/8" @ 76.1 liters and 10'0" x 24" x 3 1/4" @ 84.4 liters.

CJ's rides his Neo Classic 10'0" length with a 10.5 "Power Flex" Flying Diamonds fin.

And I just so happen to have an indepth video review of his Neo Classic model in the 9'5" length below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3b3ApIra8

Some people say they are too old to surf a prone longboard. If one choses a skinny longboard, lets say 23" in width or shorter and under 67 liters of volume, yes, at our age that may be tough to ride.

But if one chooses a longboard; lets say around 9'2" in length to 10'0" in length with at least 23 1/2" of width and with at least 73 liters of volume in it, then anybody can ride a prone surfboard, no matter their age.

The only caveat for a longboard of 9'5" in length or longer, swinging the nose of the board backs towards the wave in a high wind speed and/or high wind gusts. This is why I went with the Parallax at 9'3" in length over the 9'6" Parallax and also over the Neo Classic at 9'5" in length.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 24, 2021, 07:59:06 PM
My Involvement 9.0 fin was supposed to be delivered at my home this upcoming Friday. Then I checked the tracking number this past Saturday and it said my fin would be delivered this upcoming Wednesday.

I checked my tracking number this late Monday afternoon and it said the fin would be delivered to my home by 9:00 pm today. The fin arrived at  4:30 pm.

And I'm going to post the picture of the volan green fin. BTW, the fin color is green, but the volan is the material the fin is constructed out of. The fin came in a soft black fin bag so I laid the fin on top of the black fin bag to make the fin easier to see.

Now, this site's forum software does not allow one to preview a picture so I'm just hoping this picture shows since I had to resize the picture. Got to add this. The fin is 9" in height and the base of the fin is 5 1/2" in length.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Subber on May 24, 2021, 08:55:58 PM
If one wants a nice single fin niche board that can do what the Parallax can do and can nose ride easily, then another of CJ's designed boards can do this and it is his "Neo Classic" longboard. The Neo Classic comes in two lengths which are: 9'5" x 23 1/2" x 3 1/8" @ 76.1 liters and 10'0" x 24" x 3 1/4" @ 84.4 liters.

CJ's rides his Neo Classic 10'0" length with a 10.5 "Power Flex" Flying Diamonds fin.

And I just so happen to have an indepth video review of his Neo Classic model in the 9'5" length below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3b3ApIra8

Nice vid. 
I see the Neo Classic model is a pintail also but noserides better than the Parallax -
I guess the Neo Classic is designed to noseride more specifically..
Maybe the pintail is the "Neo" in Neo Classic.  Although they point out in the video that iit also has a bit of a step deck front and tail too.
Also, that the last foot or so of the tail has a bit of an edge rather than being 50/50.  Maybe
it turns as well as the Parallax - CJ was really turning and slashing with the Parallax in the earlier video.

My Pearson Laird 10'6" is a pin tail with a somewhat sharp edge from about the middle of the board.  It turns great and
noserides very well, but it lets go when you try to put toes over.
My Jimmy Lewis Black & Blue has a big square tail, more tail kick and 50/50 rails - a "dedicated noserider" - It does nose ride better & I can
get toes over but most of the time I've a few inches back while on the Laird I'm a foot or more back.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on May 25, 2021, 05:12:56 AM
@ Subber

When I was doing research for prone surfboards; specifically longboards, since lots of people surf surfboards, I thought there would be lots of surfboard forums on the internet. I found out there aren't that many at least for longboard information.

The best place on the internet, in my opinion, specifically for finding information on surfing longboards, is at the Jamboards site at the link below.

https://jamboards.com/

Under the "Surfing" forum, I found the topic thread for JC Nelson Boards. Only the original poster wasn't paying attention to what he was typing and instead of typing, "CJ", he had typed, "JC".

But when I saw the topic thread listed as JC, I assumed it was a typo and the topic thread is at the link below. BTW, the topic thread there is now at 14 pages in length.

https://jamboards.com/threads/jc-nelson-boards.7800/

There is also another topic thread for the CJ Nelson "Outlier" model and it is at the link below.

https://jamboards.com/threads/cj-nelson-outlier-reviews.9758/

The Outlier comes in three lengths and at this time they are 7'6", 8'0" and 9'0". I had thought about the 9' Outlier, but at 23" in width with 70.0 liters, I thought this board would be just a hair too narrow for me for the liters of volume and might prove to be "finicky" and give me problems.

As for the Flying Diamonds of California fins which is a company CJ owns, there is even a topic thread for that too.

https://jamboards.com/threads/flying-diamonds-fins.9619/

I've enjoyed this topic thread and thanks for participating in it along with the other posters who have made comments.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 11, 2021, 10:38:17 AM
While I wait patiently for my 9'3" Parallax by the first week of July, I've already shown in this topic thread the kind of waves in a few videos before this post, I like to ride for sup and prone surfboards at Surfside and also at Port Aransas. The nice slow roller type of waves which for me are pure enjoyment.

But those slow roller type of waves are not the norm when the wind is blowing. I've finally found a nice view of how the waves are when the wind is really blowing at a good clip. These waves can best be described as "disorganized" (angry waves). The video is a short 3:44 (minutes and seconds) in length of time.

It is not professionally made which means it has it's good points and not so good points. The video starts out showing the Surfside Jetty and Surfside Jetty Park where I park my truck. The white building with the black colored roof shingles contains the restrooms and showers. You can also see the wooden stairs from the parking lot to the beach. The first minute takes up spanning the waves in a panoramic style. Then you can see some of the prone surfers riding these waves.

These disorganized waves are great for "gliding" which is the type of riding I like to do whether sup or prone surfing. But you have to have a fast board to go from section to section since the waves will just die out behind you and you have to go to the next wave either to the right or left from where you are. This is main reason why I chose the Parallax which can be steered from the middle of the board and is also a speed board.

Almost forgot. There is some narrative in the beginning of the video which ends after about one minute of time. All through the video, you can hear the pounding sound of the waves.

I hope you enjoy seeing this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vhf3e_IlEE

Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: LBsup on June 11, 2021, 12:05:17 PM
Looks fun!  How cold does the water get? I noticed everyone wearing full suits.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Bean on June 11, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
Seems like a nice laid back Waikiki vibe.  You could have a blast on a traditional noserider or more progressive shape for sure.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 11, 2021, 03:48:38 PM
@ LBsup

That video was taken on April 6th, 2021. This has been a "cold" Spring for us. The night time temperature was in the high 40's with daytime temperatures in the low to mid 60's in the first week of April in 2021. At that time, the water temperature was warmer than the air temperature.

The surfers were wearing wetsuits because the wind was really blowing that day and surfing without a wetsuit, the windy cold air combined with a low morning temperature of around 60 degrees F makes the body feel cold when the bare skin is wet.

Today is June 11th and the water temperature at Surfside is 86 degrees F. On a side note, June 1st is the start of our hurricane season for Texas. Hurricanes start getting bigger category wise when the water temperature is 80 degrees F and above.

In July and August, the water temperature at Surfside will be between 89-92 degrees F.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 11, 2021, 03:55:28 PM
@ Bean

I was never into nose riding. I learned to surf on a 9'6" longboard which was a nose rider at that time because of it's square tail with a single glassed in hatchet type fin which would be akin to a pivot fin.

But I never did any nose riding with it. I was just into the "glide" from the long rides which I enjoyed.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: Night Wing on June 11, 2021, 06:09:07 PM
About 6:30 pm my time, I checked my email account because Walgreens was going to send me an email when my prescription refill was filled and ready for me to come and pick it up. I did get the email from Walgreens, but I had another email from REAL Watersports.

The email from REAL said my 9'3" Parallax had arrived at their shop this Friday. I knew REAL closes their shop at 8:00 pm EST which is my 7:00 pm CST. I quickly called REAL and spoke with Randall who said my board was in pristine shape, but there was a "catch".

Since REAL is located on an island off the North Carolina coast, they only ship their boards once a week and that is every........(ugh) Thursday.

I missed the shipping day by one day. So my Parallax will be shipped to me this upcoming Thursday, June 17th. Once the board is shipped, I will get a tracking number. I'm hoping to get my hands physically on it by June 23rd.
Title: Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
Post by: ninja tuna on June 12, 2021, 11:46:33 AM


 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vhf3e_IlEE


Oh those waves look great for foiling.
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