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Title: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on May 08, 2020, 07:20:42 AM
So Iíve seen images of Kai Lenny and Kane (kdmaui) on these wings.

Curious minds say hummm!
https://www.instagram.com/p/B_6sxZQHc_N/?igshid=1twrl3yaltypv
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: cnski on May 08, 2020, 07:48:32 AM
I think ensis is owned by Swiss Windfoil phenom Balz Muller-

https://www.ensis-watersports.com

Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on May 08, 2020, 08:22:57 AM
Ah...so this guy is him

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_203zNDFZg/?igshid=eavbl13vfjwo
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: winged surfer on May 08, 2020, 09:36:11 AM
6/9 knots with 3.5 Wing and 2100 foil front wing.. the guy is really skilled, what do you think about that?
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on May 08, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
Ah...so this guy is him

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_203zNDFZg/?igshid=eavbl13vfjwo

Amazing riding!  That push tack looks so cool.  I wondered when that was going to show up with the wing.

Super impressed also by how stable that wing looks.  Both of the videos show guys pumping it hard and almost no wing flex.  The long handles look nice as well.  Cool to see this!
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: obxDave on May 08, 2020, 04:37:15 PM
6/9 knots with 3.5 Wing and 2100 foil front wing.. the guy is really skilled, what do you think about that?

I have the same Moses foil rig. To bad I canít ride it 1/100th as well as Balz, but he is always an inspiration to us feeble mortals. He could ride circles around most people with a bed sheet and sticks





Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on May 09, 2020, 02:12:09 AM
Some stuff from facebook:

Here are some pics of the one with the window.  This is the 6 Meter.  Guessing that 11 PSI has a lot to do with what appears to be crazy rigidity.  I wonder if they are doing anything different there in terms of materials / reinforcement or if they are just suggesting much higher PSI's. 

Recommended pressure is 9 to 11 psi
Three simple handles along the boom strut.

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Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: obxDave on May 14, 2020, 01:17:53 AM
So Balz did another Instagram post showing his top speed using a 6m Ensis wing along with the Moses W1100 front wing. He clocked a top speed of 43.3 km/hr in a 12 knot breeze,....around double the wind speed. He was ripping on that foil.  Aside from skill being a big factor, and the wing a ding being part of the reason,....the other Important part is the foil wing. That Moses 1100 he used might be a big 2100 sq cm, however it is very low profile compared to a fatty Axis 1020. Just a guess but Iíd say probably around 2-2.5 liter compared to the 4+ liter 1020 (Moses doesnít spec wing volume). Wing a dings provide the horse power but IMHO you need a low drag foil (thin) to take advantage of it..... For me the holy grail is big speed RANGE, not just top speed, or lowest (stall) speed.  Next goal: pull off a 360 in 12 knots with the 1100 and a 6m Echo...
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: biggins on May 18, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
https://www.facebook.com/balzsurfsport/videos/383071635921610/?


Not sure if this video posted correctly but this is sick. That 6m looks really stiff. Too bad the website doesnít show any prices or how to order etc.

He said wind was 0-12 knots, using a 58l board and 2100cm Moses, weighs 80kg. Dude has skills.

Really opens up areas that I hadnít considered winging...

D
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Wetstuff on May 19, 2020, 06:15:20 AM
Fricking Zuckerberg.. 'Bow to me first.'

Jim
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on June 12, 2020, 02:04:08 PM
https://youtu.be/Zre1U2ry26s
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Phils on June 13, 2020, 12:33:58 PM
Interesting comments about the diameter of the leading edge being positively correlated with low end grunt.  It intuitively makes sense.   Trade off is probably upwind ability.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on June 14, 2020, 08:44:33 AM
Maybe it is the handle positions but it doesn't look like that wing is supporting itself well in light air.  The protos without the windows looked so good.  Second model?
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on July 18, 2020, 08:33:26 PM
Attach a windsurfing boom -- very clever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXR4n7tRipY
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on August 07, 2020, 07:24:46 AM
Looks like a V2 without windows is in the wild now (for sale at least in the UK).  Great looking wing.

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117106120_10101514268577664_4424326564684580631_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=8zw-Yqlr7BMAX-v69vx&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=9bcadc0265b13a54c96786ab21eceb26&oe=5F518A53)
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Mike dubs on August 07, 2020, 08:30:29 AM
Iíve had the 6m for a while, itís fantastic. Recently swapped my Naish S25 4.6 for a 4.5m Ensis too and an orange 3.5 is in its way to me. Light, v stiff, powerful and great to fly.👍 Rumor has it they are producing Wing boards, probably from Balz design next spring🤪mike
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on August 07, 2020, 08:50:47 AM
Sweet Mike,

Do you have the V1 with windows or the V2 without?  How are the handles?
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: PonoBill on August 07, 2020, 09:46:29 AM
They dispensed with the big trailing edge cutaway, which seem kind of silly, though the trailing edge flapping probably isn't a beneficial element of mode squared off wings.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Mike dubs on August 10, 2020, 06:58:15 AM
Admin,  my 6m is V1 with windows blue/grey. My 4.5m in B2 no windows blue/grey and v light. My 3.5m in orange/grey V2 no windows. The 6m has been fantastic, not been windy enough for the 4.5/3.5 since last week. But I love them, light, stiff and powerful. Plus I love the handles.Mike
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on October 17, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VGItgD1yI0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGQWS5MGFL4
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 17, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
My thoughts...

The Ensis has sheet and go power. It gives the wing a powerful feeling, and a easy to get going characteristic. The worse your pumping skill, the more likely you are to think itís very powerful. The sheet and go power is so good, your first ride, you might even wheelie the board. This power also helps with coming out of jibes on foil. Less finesse needed, just sheet in and ride away from every jibe.

The draft stability is the best Iíve experienced. Iíve yet to get backwinded driving high into the wind, or taking on big gusts. The center web panel stays tight all the time, even when riding way, way, beyond normal, sane, power limits. This is particularly amazing, when you consider this wing goes upwind better than anything Iíve ridden, by a good margin. Iím seriously thinking, I donít need to mess with a car shuttle. I can rocket upwind, then downwind to home. It is a total freak upwind. I might be able to match a kite foiler upwind! Not a race kite foiler, but general kite foilers. A ridiculous thought a year ago.

The handling when wave riding, is flawless. The balance from the nose handle is unbeatable.

When down in the water, wind nuking beyond belief, the wing just sits calmly on the surface. It never tries to whip around and pull your arms out of the socket. Tame behavior all the time.

The long handles give the hand placement freedom of a boom, without the weight of a boom. The handles are nice. Better than I imagined they would be. It feels direct and positive in the hands. Not floppy. Great handles.

Where does the power come from? You sure canít tell by looking at it. Itís not a deep canopy shape or fat leading edge wing.

I bought every size.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 17, 2020, 09:24:05 PM
My thoughts...

The Ensis has sheet and go power. It gives the wing a powerful feeling, and a easy to get going characteristic. The worse your pumping skill, the more likely you are to think itís very powerful. The sheet and go power is so good, your first ride, you might even wheelie the board. This power also helps with coming out of jibes on foil. Less finesse needed, just sheet in and ride away from every jibe.

The draft stability is the best Iíve experienced. Iíve yet to get backwinded driving high into the wind, or taking on big gusts. The center web panel stays tight all the time, even when riding way, way, beyond normal, sane, power limits. This is particularly amazing, when you consider this wing goes upwind better than anything Iíve ridden, by a good margin. Iím seriously thinking, I donít need to mess with a car shuttle. I can rocket upwind, then downwind to home. It is a total freak upwind. I might be able to match a kite foiler upwind! Not a race kite foiler, but general kite foilers. A ridiculous thought a year ago.

The handling when wave riding, is flawless. The balance from the nose handle is unbeatable.

When down in the water, wind nuking beyond belief, the wing just sits calmly on the surface. It never tries to whip around and pull your arms out of the socket. Tame behavior all the time.

The long handles give the hand placement freedom of a boom, without the weight of a boom. The handles are nice. Better than I imagined they would be. It feels direct and positive in the hands. Not floppy. Great handles.

Where does the power come from? You sure canít tell by looking at it. Itís not a deep canopy shape or fat leading edge wing.

I bought every size.

Wow!  That's some endorsement.  So, would the 6 metre Ennis have the same power as the 7 metre Echo?
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Thatspec on November 17, 2020, 11:52:41 PM
The wing part looks great. The backs of my knuckles started bleeding though just looking at those handles, way too close to the strut. Looks like a relatively easy short boom mod.

Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 18, 2020, 02:52:23 AM
The wing part looks great. The backs of my knuckles started bleeding though just looking at those handles, way too close to the strut. Looks like a relatively easy short boom mod.

My knuckles never touched
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 18, 2020, 03:02:36 AM
Wow!  That's some endorsement.  So, would the 6 metre Ensis have the same power as the 7 metre Echo?

My buddy, who owns a 7m Echo, thinks the 5.2m Ensis has the low end of his 7m. I think thatís an exaggeration though. I think his thoughts are skewed a bit, by how easy sheet and go power works, for someone less skilled at pumping onto foil.

Itís probably fair to claim the Echo 7m and 6m Ensis will have similar low end, although I have yet to ride my 6m Ensis. Been riding the 5.2m in 12-25 mph wind.

FYI the Axis guys are the US distributor. You can buy from any shop selling Axis.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on November 18, 2020, 03:02:49 AM
How's the weight Dwight?  These do look so good.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 18, 2020, 03:04:46 AM
How's the weight Dwight?  These do look so good.

I have not put one on a scale. The 5.2 I have, is probably still wet.

Nick (FLkiter might know) heís riding Ensis too.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on November 18, 2020, 03:06:56 AM
I love it that they did a 2.5.  2.5 to 3.5 is a big jump, though.  Probably can live with that though. 
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 18, 2020, 03:09:30 AM
How's the weight Dwight?  These do look so good.

Thinking about handling and power.

It is so good, it begs the question, is dihedral bad? Because the Ensis has less than any wing Iíve ridden and it handles the best, and has more power.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Mike dubs on November 18, 2020, 04:38:47 AM
I second everything Dwight says. I absolutely love my 6/4.5/3.5 and there isnít a thing I would change about them. Will get the 2.5 soon too. My 6 is powerful but also very controllable and the fraught doesnít move even when over powered. The handles work brilliantly, much better than the Naish and F one.

Mike
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Wetstuff on November 18, 2020, 05:32:08 AM
Our inland friends who are likley working on their icefishing shacks have it on sale...

https://www.mackiteboarding.com/ensis-watersports-wing-v1/


Jim
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 18, 2020, 06:41:47 AM
A buddy who canít get registered for this forum just sent me his review. My buddy is 215 if memory is correct.

Just saw your post on the Ensis wings

I've been on them for about  3 or 4 weeks now. got the 6,5.2 and 4.5 from evan @ live2kite

For a big guy like me they are ideal. I tend to pump the wing better than the board so well suited for my skills.

Also the power really helps in saving me coming out of transitions a bit off balance..so fall much less.

I use a harness always, so now switched to mono harness lines with the really stable draft. Huge difference from the wasp where the draft moved lots

I almost could skip the 6 as the 5.2 gets me down to 14 mph no problem, but will be nice for light summer winds. 

One lighter guy (name removed) tried the 5.2 and did not like it. He felt it was to powerful and locked in. LIkes the looser feel of his fone better. Maybe he would like the 4.5 better.

I can't seem to get approved for the standupzone forum. I register and it emails back the admin will approve me but that never happens...tried several times . Probably some email blockage issue.


I did send him Adminís tips for beating the system  ;D
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Thatspec on November 18, 2020, 08:01:36 AM
The wing part looks great. The backs of my knuckles started bleeding though just looking at those handles, way too close to the strut. Looks like a relatively easy short boom mod.

My knuckles never touched

Mine definitely would, I'd get a dark color like this one so the blood won't show.
Next wings will be something I don't have to mod right out of the box.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 18, 2020, 08:59:38 AM
What the best can do with a 5.2 in very little wind!  As far as skinning knuckles -- get a pair of gloves with the half the fingers cut away (any big building supply place will have them).  I'm looking forward to more feedback about this wing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzIdyb4UUDI

Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Mario_Wings on November 18, 2020, 12:24:27 PM

The wing part looks great. The backs of my knuckles started bleeding though just looking at those handles, way too close to the strut. Looks like a relatively easy short boom mod.

Mine definitely would, I'd get a dark color like this one so the blood won't show.
Next wings will be something I don't have to mod right out of the box.


hi all . . . I am new and have been trying to get on the forum for a long while . . . thanks to Dwight's hint, I am here after just a few hours :)

I have had the ENSIS wings since September I think and thought the same as you regarding the knuckles. However when you have power in the wing, the handles do not sit close to the strut is what I have found . . . and the knuckles are clear of the strut.

I am 86kg and started with the 5.2 and 3.5 (love it). Although the gap is fine, I have a 4.5 arriving today or tomorrow and a 2.5 on order. I have not used any other wings so can't compare directly though they seem to be powerful for their size.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: styleito on November 18, 2020, 12:40:14 PM
A buddy who canít get registered for this forum just sent me his review.

I can't seem to get approved for the standupzone forum. I register and it emails back the admin will approve me but that never happens...tried several times . Probably some email blockage issue.

I had a similar issue when I tried to register. I emailed the site support address and received a reply stating that I should try to register again using a very obvious water sports name. It worked and then I changed my username back to what I wanted in the user control panel.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 19, 2020, 02:16:42 PM
There is a new sheriff in town.

Kelly Park today

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Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: jondrums on November 19, 2020, 03:39:44 PM
how many of those are yours?   ;D
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 19, 2020, 03:49:34 PM
From the photo it looks like the Axis gang was in town.

I'm a little surprised that those using Armstrong foils haven't all jumped on the Armstrong A-Wing -- I've heard good things about it.

Anyone know what the differences are between a similar sized Echo and Ensis -- positives and negatives.  I've used an Echo, Wasp and the new Cabrinha -- I think the Echo would be my first choice, although I don't like its unruly behaviour when it's on its own in the wind.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 19, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
how many of those are yours?   ;D

3
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 19, 2020, 04:13:06 PM
From the photo it looks like the Axis gang was in town.

I'm a little surprised that those using Armstrong foils haven't all jumped on the Armstrong A-Wing -- I've heard good things about it.

Anyone know what the differences are between a similar sized Echo and Ensis -- positives and negatives.  I've used an Echo, Wasp and the new Cabrinha -- I think the Echo would be my first choice, although I don't like its unruly behaviour when it's on its own in the wind.

Handles are why none of my friends jumped on A-wings. We are boom fans.

The Ensis, has the direct feel and hand placement freedom of a boom, without the negatives.

Today, another buddy, who is a massive hater of handles, tried the Ensis. He told me the next wing he buys to fill gaps in his Echo quiver, will be the Ensis.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: paddlur on November 19, 2020, 06:10:42 PM
Iím drinking the kool aid here and just ordered a 6m seems like a good wing choice for a heavyweight for starters on the ensis wings,been happy with my starboard/airush wings but been intrigued with ensis for a while and after hearing the reviews here Iím jumping in looking forward to trying it out
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 19, 2020, 08:48:00 PM
From the photo it looks like the Axis gang was in town.

I'm a little surprised that those using Armstrong foils haven't all jumped on the Armstrong A-Wing -- I've heard good things about it.

Anyone know what the differences are between a similar sized Echo and Ensis -- positives and negatives.  I've used an Echo, Wasp and the new Cabrinha -- I think the Echo would be my first choice, although I don't like its unruly behaviour when it's on its own in the wind.

Handles are why none of my friends jumped on A-wings. We are boom fans.

The Ensis, has the direct feel and hand placement freedom of a boom, without the negatives.

Today, another buddy, who is a massive hater of handles, tried the Ensis. He told me the next wing he buys to fill gaps in his Echo quiver, will be the Ensis.

Thanks for the response.  I'm also a big fan of the boom and it looks like the Ensis has most of the advantages of the boom (Echo) and perhaps a better bottom end with a controllable top end (little to no backwinding) without the drama (flipping around on the lease while you pull it in). Overall I feel the Echo is a really good wing.  If the Ensis is a better wing then it must be near or at the top of the wing offerings currently available.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Thatspec on November 20, 2020, 12:55:12 AM

....thought the same as you regarding the knuckles. However when you have power in the wing, the handles do not sit close to the strut is what I have found . . . and the knuckles are clear of the strut.





I saw that in the video as well, unfortunately too close. Still it looks like an easy mod to two short booms as the wing looks great. Cut the handles in the middle, add 4-6" and put something similar to what I've used on my wings. It's worked great all summer but even this was too much occasional abrasion.

It's unfortunate it's so hard to try this stuff before buying...
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on November 20, 2020, 01:37:27 AM
Hi guys,

Lets get some weights.  Stoked to see that they ditched the windows.  The original video of Kahului harbor with that ultra stable looking wing was pretty convincing.  It looks like they have now produced that design.  Sweet.  It will be cool to see how these compare to the upcoming F-Ones.  Great times for wingers.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 20, 2020, 05:47:31 AM
4.5m is 5 lbs 4oz

Leading edge Dacron feels more heavy duty and stiffer, but it could be just the new crispy material feeling. I actually hope it is more heavy duty.

Triple rip stop canopy is going to be heavier than double rip stop. This is triple.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 20, 2020, 12:53:46 PM
Another look at the Ensis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IttAGLUEOuI
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: surfcowboy on November 20, 2020, 06:45:39 PM
Dwight, from your posts and from Evansís texts to our chat group it seems like you are partying with the Axis boys. ;)

He tells me itís pretty good there. Iím dying to get down there.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 20, 2020, 08:25:19 PM
I'd be interested in hearing flkiter's impressions of the Ensis V2 wing.  I was seriously thinking about purchasing a 7 metre Echo but all this Ensis talk has given me pause.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: flkiter on November 21, 2020, 01:07:19 PM
Dwight's review is pretty spot on. I think the strap handles allows for the wing to sit perfect for the arm reach of each rider. I find I can go up wind really quickly with this wing and if I'm riding on shore light winds, I can keep the tail up without having the dreaded riding into the wing while on wave that I've had with so many other wings. The handle doesn't go all the way to the front of the strut which I think is designed that way to get the pull point back from the nose of the wing, helping it to avoid back winding easily. The jumps are solid and actually a bit floaty if you can imagine. I've ridden several boom'd wings factory and aftermarket set ups and I've never really liked them. I liked the stiffness and speed the wings could go in turns and up wind but the whole adjusting and weight in the waves was the down side to me. The ensis gives the best of all the wings. Plus with long handles I can rest my arms some by adjusting where I'm holding the wing at and ride in a less aggressive stance.
Things I'd like to see changed in the future, shorter wing tips of possible. Deflate dump valve on strut, bigger bag with pocket, leash like F1 rope material. Other than that little things, they've been awesome wings. I'm now mostly on 5.2&3.5 which with F1 it was 6&4.2. plus I'm using smaller foils since the frame is really ridged and throws you onto foil quickly, I get away with less foil under me. So smaller wing, smaller foil for the same winds.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: fishetc on November 21, 2020, 04:39:22 PM
Anybody have any comparisons between ensis v2 and Brm wings? Havenít heard anything lately about the brm wings
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 21, 2020, 08:23:18 PM
Dwight's review is pretty spot on. I think the strap handles allows for the wing to sit perfect for the arm reach of each rider. I find I can go up wind really quickly with this wing and if I'm riding on shore light winds, I can keep the tail up without having the dreaded riding into the wing while on wave that I've had with so many other wings. The handle doesn't go all the way to the front of the strut which I think is designed that way to get the pull point back from the nose of the wing, helping it to avoid back winding easily. The jumps are solid and actually a bit floaty if you can imagine. I've ridden several boom'd wings factory and aftermarket set ups and I've never really liked them. I liked the stiffness and speed the wings could go in turns and up wind but the whole adjusting and weight in the waves was the down side to me. The ensis gives the best of all the wings. Plus with long handles I can rest my arms some by adjusting where I'm holding the wing at and ride in a less aggressive stance.
Things I'd like to see changed in the future, shorter wing tips of possible. Deflate dump valve on strut, bigger bag with pocket, leash like F1 rope material. Other than that little things, they've been awesome wings. I'm now mostly on 5.2&3.5 which with F1 it was 6&4.2. plus I'm using smaller foils since the frame is really ridged and throws you onto foil quickly, I get away with less foil under me. So smaller wing, smaller foil for the same winds.

Thanks very much for the reply.  This wing seems to be a real winner.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Wave Chaser on November 23, 2020, 11:57:05 AM
Anyone tried the Cabrinha Crosswing X2?  A different take on boom-like handles.  Wonder how it compares to Ensis.  I bought a 5M X2, but have only tried it on land so far.  Feels great to me, but this is my first wing, so I have no basis for comparison.  Tucker at Mac Kiteboarding gave it a thorough review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYwSs0corw
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: surfcowboy on November 23, 2020, 03:35:12 PM
I suspect the quiet around BRM is more because Jason H's YouTube seems to be their entire marketing department. 😂 Super small brand but I wouldn't see that as bad.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: NewEnglandFoiler on November 23, 2020, 05:23:49 PM
I own all the BRM Cloud wings, sizes 2-6M.

In the past I've owned slingshot v1, duotone v1, ozone, f-one, Naish v2. I've tested friends' Armstrong wings.

I like the Cloud wings the best based on their lightness, power, rigidity, handles and narrow width (to avoid burying the wingtips). The 5 and 6M leaving edges are huge but they seem to provide great grunt in light wind.

I should be able to test an Ensis next week and report back with a comparison!

Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Phils on November 23, 2020, 05:33:06 PM
Anyone tried the Cabrinha Crosswing X2?  A different take on boom-like handles.  Wonder how it compares to Ensis.  I bought a 5M X2, but have only tried it on land so far.  Feels great to me, but this is my first wing, so I have no basis for comparison.  Tucker at Mac Kiteboarding gave it a thorough review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYwSs0corw

According to Tucker (email to me), the Cabrinha Crosswing X2 has the best sheet in and go power of all the wings they carry. 
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 23, 2020, 08:25:32 PM
Anyone tried the Cabrinha Crosswing X2?  A different take on boom-like handles.  Wonder how it compares to Ensis.  I bought a 5M X2, but have only tried it on land so far.  Feels great to me, but this is my first wing, so I have no basis for comparison.  Tucker at Mac Kiteboarding gave it a thorough review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYwSs0corw

There's a thread here regarding the Cabrinha V2 wing.  I demoed it and found it backwinded a bit too much for my taste -- I liked its power and the handles (mini booms).
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Wingfoil1 on November 23, 2020, 11:22:00 PM
My first post here after considerable difficulty registering, almost gave up but then saw a useful tip about what your user name should be to get approved.

Anyhow, Iíve had the Ensis 5,2 for a week now. Had 3 sessions on it. Other wings I have owned or tried of similar size are the Naish 5,3, Armstrong 5,5, Duotone Echo 5.

All of these wings have positives and negatives. As far as the Ensis goes the positives for me are:
instant low end power; stiff canopy; build quality; upwind ability without backwinding; relatively small leading edge; stability when flagged out; good handles; large wind range; no windows; relatively light.

Negatives are: ridiculously small bag; flat profile makes tacking more difficult than other wings with dihedral shape; valve system (much prefer the Naish spring valve); large wingspan makes dunking the wing tips common; wing stability necessitates more aggressive man-handling of the wing in transitions; I donít believe this wing is the size they claim - seems bigger to me.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 24, 2020, 02:10:30 AM
A couple of buddies laid the 5m Echo on top of the 5.2m Ensis. They found them identical in size and planform, wing tip width, center span, wing tip to wing tip width. FYI, the 6m is the odd man out in the range. Its planform is different than all the other sizes. The 6 reminds me of the Naish 6m in planform.

I think the Ensis has double thick Dacron in the center zone of the leading edge. This might be the source of the tremendous stiffness. It doesnít need 10 psi to be stiff. Or a huge leading edge to be stiff. 7 psi is super stiff with this wing.

I wonder if dihedral naturally reduces power. Less projected area to the wind with dihedral. The Ensis has almost no dihedral....the source of the huge power?
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Beasho on November 24, 2020, 02:37:45 AM
I wonder if dihedral naturally reduces power. Less projected area to the wind with dihedral. The Ensis has almost no dihedral....the source of the huge power?

Dihedral 100% reduces power (efficiency).  Think of all the foils with Dihedral.  :o  Ohhhh there are NONE!  Because it isn't efficient.

Dihedral was invented for stability.  If stability isn't needed then remove it. 
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: cnski on November 24, 2020, 03:22:16 AM
I own all the BRM Cloud wings, sizes 2-6M.

In the past I've owned slingshot v1, duotone v1, ozone, f-one, Naish v2. I've tested friends' Armstrong wings.

I like the Cloud wings the best based on their lightness, power, rigidity, handles and narrow width (to avoid burying the wingtips). The 5 and 6M leaving edges are huge but they seem to provide great grunt in light wind.

I should be able to test an Ensis next week and report back with a comparison!

NewEnglandFoiler- Where in NE do you wing?
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 24, 2020, 05:54:23 AM
The head scratcher in all this...the dihedral wind wings are the least stable.

My guess....we are unique and something else is going on, that makes more dihedral miss behave.

I think it is the wind getting under the raised tip. Our nose must stay pointed perfectly into the wind when on the nose handle. Any wind crab angle and wind gets under the elevated tip and the oscillation begins.

The least dihedral wind wings, as so tame.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: VB_Foil on November 24, 2020, 07:12:42 AM
The head scratcher in all this...the dihedral wind wings are the least stable.

My guess....we are unique and something else is going on, that makes more dihedral miss behave.

I think it is the wind getting under the raised tip. Our nose must stay pointed perfectly into the wind when on the nose handle. Any wind crab angle and wind gets under the elevated tip and the oscillation begins.

The least dihedral wind wings, as so tame.

Have you seen Jeffrey Spencer busting backflips holding Slingshot's delta shaped dihedral wing?  That thing looks super stable somehow.  Probably not efficient, but who needs efficiency with Maui's nuking winds. 
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 24, 2020, 08:20:15 AM
Have you seen Jeffrey Spencer busting backflips holding Slingshot's delta shaped dihedral wing?  That thing looks super stable somehow.

Lots of dihedral wind wings are super stable, until they are not. They have moments.

The Ensis has never had a moment. Nuking crazy wind, and it still acts like itís taking a dirt nap.

Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: NewEnglandFoiler on November 24, 2020, 08:51:33 AM
I own all the BRM Cloud wings, sizes 2-6M.

In the past I've owned slingshot v1, duotone v1, ozone, f-one, Naish v2. I've tested friends' Armstrong wings.

I like the Cloud wings the best based on their lightness, power, rigidity, handles and narrow width (to avoid burying the wingtips). The 5 and 6M leaving edges are huge but they seem to provide great grunt in light wind.

I should be able to test an Ensis next week and report back with a comparison!

NewEnglandFoiler- Where in NE do you wing?

I mostly SUP and wing eastern Massachusetts including Nahant, Pleasure Bay, Duxbury, Horseneck, Nantucket and occasionally Rye NH and Rhode Island (Point Judith area).
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 24, 2020, 01:12:28 PM
The head scratcher in all this...the dihedral wind wings are the least stable.

My guess....we are unique and something else is going on, that makes more dihedral miss behave.

I think it is the wind getting under the raised tip. Our nose must stay pointed perfectly into the wind when on the nose handle. Any wind crab angle and wind gets under the elevated tip and the oscillation begins.

The least dihedral wind wings, as so tame.

Have you seen Jeffrey Spencer busting backflips holding Slingshot's delta shaped dihedral wing?  That thing looks super stable somehow.  Probably not efficient, but who needs efficiency with Maui's nuking winds.

There are some images of the Slingshot "Dart" linked below:

https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,36555.0.html
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Beasho on November 24, 2020, 05:03:56 PM
The head scratcher in all this...the dihedral wind wings are the least stable.

My guess....we are unique and something else is going on, that makes more dihedral miss behave.

I think it is the wind getting under the raised tip. Our nose must stay pointed perfectly into the wind when on the nose handle. Any wind crab angle and wind gets under the elevated tip and the oscillation begins.

The least dihedral wind wings, as so tame.

This is possible.  Dihedral is supposed to be stable in Roll.  But it can cause adverse yaw effects which you may be experiencing and figuring out. 
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: PonoBill on November 24, 2020, 08:17:16 PM
Dihedral provides stability by increasing lift on the low wing when a wing is tilted relative to the center of gravity. Lovely when you're flying level. How often does that happen with a foil wing? Never would be a good guess. Still, in many cases it makes the wing more stable, but if the righting movement shifts the center of gravity (which it does often with a foil wing) the righting effect changes and even reverses, so the wing hunts.

To see an example, hold the wing over your head and hang your weight steadily down--the wing is stable. Now tilt it a tiny bit and don't put as much weight on it. If the dihedral is working as it should it will wobble all over the place, "correcting" for CG that is constantly shifting as the wing wobbles.

The common fix is a little washout in the wingtips. Washout makes the wing stall at the root of the wing before the wingtips by reducing the incidence angle of the wingtip relative to the root but also stabilizes the wing as it wobbles around by reducing lift of the lower wingtip. But there is no complete cure, any time the CG can move around the dihedral will try to correct.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Admin on November 25, 2020, 12:42:59 AM
The really impressive thing about this wing is how freaking stable it looks in every video.  Most of the time it looks like a solid structure.  Very impressed by that.  Sizes are great too.  4.5, 3.5, 2.5 quiver.  Hmmm

Anyone have a link to that original video of that guy in Kahului harbor? 
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 25, 2020, 03:57:18 AM
I opened the zipper and felt around the mystery stitch on the leading edge. There really is a second layer of Dacron in the center area of the leading edge. It extents to the mystery stitch. About 4 feet each side of center.

That has to part of the magic. A not fat leading edge, yet the most rigid, non distorting, wind wing Iíve ever flown.

I think we need a 1.9m

Iím in love with the Liquid Force fill valve. It fills so fast, with no back pressure. Deflates and rolls up with no resistance.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: PonoBill on November 25, 2020, 12:04:39 PM
That will certainly help. All these wings flex a lot which changes the aero aspects dynamically. In a lot of ways, it's remarkable that they are as stable as they currently are.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: jondrums on November 25, 2020, 03:06:27 PM
dwight - are you saying the ensis wings use the liquid force valve?  or is that an aside about a different wing?
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 25, 2020, 04:23:18 PM
yes, they use the LF valve. It has Liquid Force logo on it.
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: obxDave on November 25, 2020, 07:33:21 PM
Iíve pretty much ridden two wings (Duotone V1 and Echo), two foils (Gong Pro XL and Gong Veloce XL), and two boards (Blue Planet 5í8Ē Carver and FSM 5í1Ē 90L)  from day one, minus a quick test of handles (Naish S25) and Moses foils (1100 and 790). Thatís it for 14 months.

A tip of the hat to the gear testers. Man that must get pricey :).  Then again I just bought a travel trailer to spend a chunk of my retirement roaming around to different US  coastal sailing spots. Itís all good!

(Other than less than perfect one handed luffing stability, Iíve never had an issue with the Echo dihedral stability in general. Rolls nice and fast for those challenging upwind transitions)
Title: Re: Ensis Wings
Post by: deja vu on November 26, 2020, 08:52:58 AM

A tip of the hat to the gear testers. Man that must get pricey :). 

Being an equipment junkie is lots of fun if you have the financial wherewithal.  The upside is that you get to try out and play with lots of new toys.  You also get to give your feedback -- which is taken seriously since you have the background to make up-to-date comparisons to other products you have owned.

The downside is that you run the risk of replacing equipment with the latest and greatest only to later conclude that you preferred some of the replaced equipment -- that's the risk but if you can afford it then who cares!
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