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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: Phils on April 07, 2020, 06:21:07 AM
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Kitefoiler and new wingfoiler looking for recommendations for SUP board for small waves (light wind days). I am 70 kg with very little recent paddling experience. I am thinking something in the 110 to 120L range but maybe on the longer side to help paddle onto waves. Or will that come with experience and I should go for the most compact board for the displacement. Input appreciated.
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you are in Florida correct? Get one of Dwight's boards. You will not be disappointed.
Edit: I guess I should back up my reason. His construction is very durable yet still light weight. I have been winging out of my boat and transporting and getting in and out I have banged it a ton and it does not show. The design of his boards works in all kinds of conditions. I have taught people to foil on his board and the nose is very forgiving in terms of setting it down or bouncing off a wave. I have few times submerged the nose while winging and been able to relaunch it. Local and price are 2 other reasons I will throw in there.
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I am SW FL and so far happy with my JL Flying V 6.5, plenty stable in crazy wind chop that I deal with in the gulf.
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I am in Florida. Dwight is only making wing boards right now. I was hoping for some opinions on suitable board length.
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Hey Phils - some thoughts:
Your question about length (and volume) depends on what kind of surfing you want to do. To some people, small waves means its big ass longboard log time.
But it definitely looks like you're on the more active end of the spectrum. Simmons shaped or boards with Simmons characteristics are good for small waves. L41 boards or the Jimmy Lewis Super Frank are just two examples. But that is just one shape option. Then, to your question, the specific board shape and how its meant to be surfed and will somewhat dictate the length and volume. Personally (as a total intermediate SUP surfer and oldish), I gravitate to boards that are large enough to stand on comfortably between sets, and allow for some paddling speed to get into waves. Practical things. Other more hard core surfing Zoners will suggest as little volume as possible. So not specific answers for you, but something. It would be great if you could try a few boards to get a sense before you buy.
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my bad, to clarify since yo have this in the foil section.
Are you looking for a foil sup or regular surf sup(non foil)
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Looking for a foil SUP
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Volume is more important than length, get something that has chine rails. You want to look at popular boards with proven a track record like Jimmy Lewis, L41, Kalama, Sup Surf Mach, Blue Planet.
Keep in mind a big board with lots of volume will be your best bet for learning, but you will outgrow it quick. Something in the 6'-5" range 110 /120 liters might be your best bet for now.
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Jimmy Lewis sale currently. Free paddle. Free ship. According to another forum.
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My experience is higher volume and width help a bunch without much of a downside. Length helps for bigger waves (head high plus), or more powerful, or really choppy crappy conditions. But otherwise going shorter helps. The exception is non-suppers tend to struggle with going to short as they don't have the tuned up paddle and balance skills to manage a board that paddles in circles.
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Ordered a JL Flying V, 6-5, 115L. Thanks for everyone's input.
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Good choice, you won’t be disappointed..
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The Flying V is a good board. I learned on a 6’11” but I’m a bit heavier than you so that 6’5” should be perfect.
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I'm in the same boat, except I paddle a 100L board normally, so......I'm wondering about dropping to the 5'11" Flying-V vs. the 6'5".
Thoughts? Around 175 lbs.
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You'll be fine on the 5'11", the longer one isn't going to do much difference stability side to side since the width is the same. The extra liters is probably in the longer nose which will counter against the lift the the foil.
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Length helps with paddling speed and tracking, so it really depends on your paddling skills. I have plenty of stability (70 kg) on my JL 6-5 at 115 L but as expected, I need to do a lot of work to learn to paddle it fast and STRAIGHT. That's fine since it is a skill I am developing and a good workout on non wind/wave days.
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Tilt the board into your paddle stroke, it'll counter the push and keep you in a strait line. I think there's a video kicking around about it some place on the zone. Once you get the technique down, it's not going to matter how long the board is to paddle strait but, a shorter board will let you pop onto foil faster. Which ever board you get, take some time getting used to paddling with it before charging the waves. You can pivot a foil sup easier than a regular sup. I tend to late start, I'm lazy to paddle for the waves. I let the wave do the work and then I paddle to keep up on foil.
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I started practicing in flat water and discovered the tilting technique by trial and error. People also talk about an inverted "J" stroke where you pull toward the board briefly...I have not been able to make that one work yet. For those of you who have been doing it for a while, you may have forgotten how difficult it is to paddle straight on a shortish board. :)