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General => Classifieds => Topic started by: Kwolfe on March 04, 2020, 05:53:30 AM
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Hey everyone. Since I started surfsking and OC1, I don't SUP nearly as much as I used to so I sold my Allstar and haven't paddled SUP for about 1 1/2 years. I think I'd like to get one again for fitness and just relaxing paddles around the lake.
I'm in midstate PA but can drive a little ways for the right board. Looking for a 14 by at least 28. My old Naish Glide was great and I never should have gotten rid of it.
Anyone with a board for under $900 max let me know. Thanks
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Hey I'm a local dealer EXTREME WINDSURFING
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Warehouse 484 515 5758 (after 3pm)
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JimK
Extreme Windsurfing
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Thought I would this a bump for anyone cleaning house. Does have to be perfect by any stretch, just under $1000. I saw a Naish Glide and older Bark Dominator which look pretty good however they are at least 6 hrs away each.
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Really, those are both not all that much fun. I had both of those and gave away both. The dominator was fine on the flats, but sucked at everything else. The Glide was fantastic on short period bumps but sucked at everything else. I don't really like 14's anyway, but based on simple popularity in Hood River, which has to be the highest rate of 14' board ownership per capita on planet earth, I'd say look for an SIC bullet. I saw three of the black and white ones on roofs of cars on my five minute drive to my shop this morning--and you can't even get on the river.
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^ I still rate the V3 Naish Glide as one of the most, if not the most versatile and comfortable boards that I have owned. I used it for everything and loved it. The main problem was the weight and some durability issues, but it was a very versatile cruiser. The Glide wasn’t just good for DW but also excellent in side chop, quartering and just sloppy, choppy conditions. On the flat it wasn’t quick but also not horrible compared to full on DW boards with more rocker.
If I ever come across the V3 Glide in carbon, I would buy it without hesitation and I would probably buy the Glide in GTW too. Outstanding touring board.
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I probably should have made it clear that I was talking about the V1, which was effectively a 10' board with four feet of nose sticking up out of the water, It fit nicely into short period swell, and that's about it.
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Kwolfe - You might try PaddleMonster classifieds. They seemed to be east coast centric.
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yeah, I check paddlemonster every morning. The previous glide I have was the V2. I only SUP flat water so downwinding for me doesn't make a difference. If the wind is blowing on our larger lake, I reach for a ski or OC1 since I need to paddle up wind 5 miles to have fun downwind (kind of).
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Kwolfe- heres an option. good drive for you- but traffic is light these days :)
https://longisland.craigslist.org/spo/d/point-lookout-14-joe-bark-expedition/7105081397.html
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Bingo! That's the sort of thing I'm looking for. I shot the person a text. It's a bit of a poke from me but who knows, maybe they wouldn't mind meeting somewhere closer to me.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Not to open a can of worms here but I found two boards. One is a 14x26 whiplash (think 2017) with allison quad fin set up. The other in a Naish glide (probably same year) which is a 14x28.
My old starboard was a 26 and while not unstable, I definitely was looking for some a little more relaxing but tracks well. The two board above are about $200 apart (whiplash being cheaper) and about the same drive.
Any thoughts on stability comparison and anything else I don't know. I would assume the Glide would be a fair amount more stable at 28", although I read that quad fin set up is great for tacking and some extra stability.
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Not to open a can of worms here but I found two boards. One is a 14x26 whiplash (think 2017) with allison quad fin set up. The other in a Naish glide (probably same year) which is a 14x28.
My old starboard was a 26 and while not unstable, I definitely was looking for some a little more relaxing but tracks well. The two board above are about $200 apart (whiplash being cheaper) and about the same drive.
Any thoughts on stability comparison and anything else I don't know. I would assume the Glide would be a fair amount more stable at 28", although I read that quad fin set up is great for tacking and some extra stability.
With the correct fin setup the Allison 4Drive setup can make-up for the extra 2 inches and my have an advantage in certain conditions such as nasty boat wakes and cross/quartering winds. That said, if you're not one to
venture out in these conditions, it may prove irrelevant and an extra step, unless the board already comes equipped with the fins. I like to have options, that's why I have 3 of my boards with this setup.
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Only flatwater, I would go for teh Whiplash. Ocean I would go for the Glide.
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Yeah, the whip already has the 4drive installed on it and comes with a bag. I paddle lakes only. Boat wakes are really the only thing I ever deal with. In order to do any sort of half ass downwind around here you have to paddle upwind and come back. If I'm doing that into 20mph, I'm reaching for my surfski or OC1.
The board is really to take out on the days when I'm done 5 miles with the ski or OC, I can take this out and paddle another 3-5 and relax and enjoy the scenery. And have my kids use it.
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In that case the Whip Sounds like the ticket imo. A little more versatile for these conditions and for the days you want to hammer it and feel like you're going fast.
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In your original post you said you were looking for 14’ by at least 28”. I’m not sure a 26” Whiplash is going to be as stable as a 28”, even with the 4 fins.
I have a Whiplash, although to clarify, it is 12’ 6” x 24 1/2” and is a custom build. But it does have the 4 fins which were installed by Larry Allison. I bought it second hand, so I’m not sure how much my custom is different than the stock model. This is also the only Whiplash I’ve paddled.
And don’t get me wrong, I like my Whiplash. Mine at least is a low volume board and it’s a lot of fun, although I don’t use it much anymore as I now mostly paddle my 12’ 6” x 24” ONE Sup Evo.
But with my Whiplash, it really is a flat water board. I also do my paddling on a small lake. But we get wind up almost every afternoon in the summer, and when the wind isn’t up there will usually be boat wakes. And in these conditions my Whiplash is simply not a great board. The extra 1 1/2” width would make a difference on the board you’re looking at, and I’m pretty sure a 14’ would be more stable than my 12’ 6”. But having said that, there is a reason the Whiplash was always sold as a flat water board. Just wanted to add a word of caution.
And finally, Kayadogg is another Zoner who doesn’t post all that much any more but he’s a good guy and has owned a lot of different Infinity Boards. It might be worth your while to shoot him a PM and get his opinion.
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See! Now there you go adding in real world experience that goes against what I was thinking last night, sheesh! Like I said before, the boards are $250 apart in price which isn't killing me (although I wish the Naish were the cheaper of the two).
Interesting to hear about the boat wakes and wind chop. Funny but I don't even have to deal with very many boats wakes where I am. The typical two lakes I paddle are trolling motors only. Then again, the one is 3 miles long while the other is only less than a mile from one end to the other. There are a two other I go to less frequently that do allow motors. That said, there could be some light wind chop and any of them.
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Whiplash! The width difference, in my experience with paddling both a 28 and a 26, is negligible. The 26 will require a bit more attention, but that will only make it more fun to paddle. I can still fish off my 26.
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HOLD THE PHONE, I am a complete dumba$$. The Naish is a Javelin x29 GX, not a Glide. Man I'm blind!
Not sure if that changes anything.
Feel free to verbally berate me for being an idiot :)
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What's your height and weight Kwolfe?
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6ft 200lbs
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Then for the conditions you describe my personal choice between the 2 would be the Whip (especially now that you're saying it's a 29 Javelin). For example, I'm 190+ and I use my Naish 14x26" in rough open water(no 4drive but that's coming)
One thing I've always noticed going beyond 27" wide board is how it affects my stroke. Wide boards are not good friends of effective stroke.
If you do end up with the Whip make sure to get the Abuelo ventral fin (unless you have a lot of tall grass in your water). Makes big difference for me riding heavily trafficked area and choppy cross wind.
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Thanks man. It's actually a x28 (I typed 29 because I'm trying to work, help kids with school work and think about this). Although from the sounds of it, I don't think that's going to change your mind. It's a Larry allison ventral fin in the front.
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I think most here just going with their personal experiences but it's hard to really guess where you're going with this say 6 months from now.
There are 2 ways I'm looking at it. Either take it as is no personal interpretation in which case I'd say the Bark expedition since it's the type of board you
can wonder around aimlessly with no care for speed, form or kids beating the shit out of it ;D and if you really want to go fast, you're going on your surfski anyway.
But if you think you'd have more serious intentions on the sup, you'll outgrow any 28" wide board rather quickly and you'll be back here getting many helpful opinions, again ;D
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Addressing the Whiplash statement above I want to say this is not just a flat water board. I live on large lake that can get 4-5 foot downwind conditions and it is great in these conditions as well. I am on a 2018 14 by 25 dugout Whiplash.
Have a self built Clearwater 23 inch race board and that is my flat water board and the whiplash I use when conditions may get crazy or unpredictable or there Is a lot of boat wake. I have used it in 30-50km downwinders with no issue. It does require moving on the board but it can keep up with just about anything that is not completely downwind specific.
The primary stability of the whiplash is incredible and the secondary is like hitting a barrier wall.
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I want to share some love for the Bark Expedition. Yes I did sell mine for newer shinier boards, but always kind of regretted doing so.
Its not so much an anachronistic design, but a unique design...nothing else much like it.
Ideally you could give it a go before dismissing it.
https://normhann.com/2010/10/the-14-surftech-joe-bark-expedition-board-review/
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Well the bark guy won't return a text or email so I have to rule him out.
Ok come hell or high water I'm getting a board tomorrow so I'm not going to be one of those guys who asks a thousand question and then is like "maybe I'll wait".
However I will throw one more contender in the ring. For the same round about price, I found a 14 x 27.25 SIC bullet. Nice part is, it's only about 1.5 hrs from me instead of 3. Any thoughts on this as an all around board, stability, speed, tracking?
Also, I will post a pick of the new ride once I get it home so we can put this one to bed officially!
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Well the bark guy won't return a text or email so I have to rule him out.
Ok come hell or high water I'm getting a board tomorrow so I'm not going to be one of those guys who asks a thousand question and then is like "maybe I'll wait".
However I will throw one more contender in the ring. For the same round about price, I found a 14 x 27.25 SIC bullet. Nice part is, it's only about 1.5 hrs from me instead of 3. Any thoughts on this as an all around board, stability, speed, tracking?
Also, I will post a pick of the new ride once I get it home so we can put this one to bed officially!
It's a fine all-round board. You can do anything on it. I took one from the demo booth few years back and played around with it. while I was on the water I saw there was a race about to commence so I joined the lineup. 2miles, finished 3rd. at that time, my own board was an 12.6x32 inflatable. Few months later I rented one for a 20 miles race. Wind forecast was 14mph for the day so I thought it would be my first downwinder only to realize the the first 9 mile would be up against head and cross wind. So the board can paddle and with the right fin track well too. Good built too. is it a v1 or v2?
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Its a V2. It's on the Mullet. He wants $1000 so its in line with what I was looking at. Got a buddy around here who paddles a 26 inch version. He said he paddle a javelin once and found it more twitchy that his SIC.
No idea why but I keep looking back to the Whiplash. Board is pristine and just looks really cool. Not the best buying strategy but I haven't always made the best decisions !
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Its a V2. It's on the Mullet. He wants $1000 so its in line with what I was looking at. Got a buddy around here who paddles a 26 inch version. He said he paddle a javelin once and found it more twitchy that his SIC.
No idea why but I keep looking back to the Whiplash. Board is pristine and just looks really cool. Not the best buying strategy but I haven't always made the best decisions !
V2 good. I'm unaware of any 26" version of this board unless it's a hollow custom v3 direct from Maui and if that's the case maybe convince your buddy to sell you his board. Tell him it's worth nothing because is empty inside ;D
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Two great boards....seems to me that the Whiplash, judging by its design, not personal experience, would be faster and more comfortable the flatter the water. The V2, from personal experience, is fast enough, and feels like it can take on any water conditions that get thrown at it.
I have an infinity surf shape, and the quality is excellent. But so is the SIC build. V2s changed graphics and added innegra reinforcements at some point. Maybe 2016. So after that the boards are a little stronger and a little heavier.
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Sounds like another case of HSBPP (Hair splitting board purchase paralysis) ;)
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I’m liking the Bullet now that it’s in the mix. The V2 will work well as an all rounder for you, and because of it’s versatility, you would likely keep it it for a long time. The Bullet is very comfortable to paddle and the carry handle is still the best in the industry. Even in the heavier construction with the Bullet, the handle makes the board noticeably easier to carry than other brands that are a few pounds lighter.
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I would have one thing to add for the downwinder based board is that they make a lot of slapping noise on flat water which can get a little annoying if your trying to enjoy the silence.
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OK, drum roll...drdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrdrd...................Whiplash!
Just couldn't resit. Best price. Board is pristine and it included the bag and quad set up. Only did 2 miles on the way back but I would say that it's easily equal in stability to my old Glide 27.5". More stable feeling than my Allstar 26.5. Some primary stability be the secondary can really be leaned on.
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Another apparently crappy pic
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Last one. I'd like to really thank everyone for their help.
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Congrats! Enjoy.
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Good choice.
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Nice score. Custom work already done for you. Good that you find it nice and stable right off the bat too.
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That’s gotta make you feel good ... nice board!
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Congrats. Dream board.
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Thanks everyone for all the help. Consider this case closed :D