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The Foil Zone => Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP => Topic started by: Seattle-Wind on February 17, 2020, 11:37:40 AM
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Naish just announced their new wind wing model, the S25 Wing-Surfer. https://wing-surfer.com/product/s25-wing-surfer/
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6 sizes, topping out with a 7.2M. Nice big windows. I wonder what the weight will be on these.
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That will be interesting, Rasta. Robbie is clearly reaching out... "Stiffer - More Power" would be welcome.
Everything I know about a 'delta wing' I learned on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAMzWu9oBDk
Jim
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ok, so they are announcing them now.
Are they going to be available before October or are they going to actually build this year
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I’m curious about why the odd sizing. The 4.6 to 3.6m one meter gap being the largest.
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Perhaps he still believes most people will be served best by one wing, but it will need to be exactly the right wing for their weight. I expect some people will get a quiver of 3-4-5 or 4-5-6, but there are a surprising number of the folks here on Maui who have gone for a single size--generally 4.2.
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I see the 3.6 Wing in the photo and that photo is from my local spot in Kailua.
The wind here is nothing like Maui and a Swing 4.2 is my smallest wing.
So I see that as a good sign on the power side that they are flying in this wind with a 3.6 wing.
I can't remember the exact day they did this photo shoot but in my opinion we have not had any 3.6 wing days this year. That is impressive.
I have the Swing 4.2, 5, and 6 and use them all. The 6 goes to a pretty light wind, but there could be an opportunity to go even a bit lighter so that 7.2M interests me.
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That is interesting... When I first saw the top photo of the new Naish S25 wing, it appeared (to me) the TE was mostly a straight line from tip to tip which would have made it pretty innovative, increasing the total area without ending up with a floppy TE. Perhaps between that picture and production, there were revisions or it was simply the angle... This was from the order page.
https://naishusa.com/products/s25-wing-surfer?variant=31936802357330
Jim
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Matt at Realwatersports said (on Insta) available next week from them.
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I see the 3.6 Wing in the photo and that photo is from my local spot in Kailua.
The wind here is nothing like Maui and a Swing 4.2 is my smallest wing.
So I see that as a good sign on the power side that they are flying in this wind with a 3.6 wing.
I can't remember the exact day they did this photo shoot but in my opinion we have not had any 3.6 wing days this year. That is impressive.
I have the Swing 4.2, 5, and 6 and use them all. The 6 goes to a pretty light wind, but there could be an opportunity to go even a bit lighter so that 7.2M interests me.
I have the same F-one quiver with the addition of the 3.5, which I had only used once until yesterday. the previous time it was marginal, yesterday I could have used something a little smaller.
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Can anyone tell me if they think this might be a good wing for a beginner? I won't be able to use a Wing until probably sometime in May, but I'm really getting itchy feet. I'm seriously thinking about this new Naish.
As always, any and all thoughts are appreciated.
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Can anyone tell me if they think this might be a good wing for a beginner?
It should be. It’s the first 2nd gen on the market.
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Thanks Dwight. I still have to decide what size is right for me, but I'll start a different thread for that. Thanks again.
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Here is a nice run though from TJ at Big Winds. The new strut panel (whatever we are calling that now) and the reduced wingtips look really nice but he says that the new wing is just under 1 lb heavier than the V1 wings.
https://youtu.be/TGoZK4PQths
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Nice video, although with one error. The canopies are not nylon. They are polyester, just as the leading edge is polyester. Nobody uses nylon, except cheap land kites.
We all know from windsurfing that PVC windows add weight. No getting around it.
But we also know, absolutely nobody sells a windsurf sail without a window.
They are coming like it or not, and someday you may not be able to buy one without it.
I’m going for windows this season. Any glimpse I get from one, is better than being blind all the time. Especially bad when riding in the harness. Also the next big trend.
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I’ve been loving my new S25 Naish WingSurfer.
It’s much stiffer than the V1 version and the new windows are great.
I’d like to see a new longer and narrower sausage shape bag that alowes you to roll up the two sides to the center strut (just like before) but then just fold it once behind the leading edge strut and then again behind the window. I’ve been doing this and having it stick out of the backpack style bag that it comes with. I’m sure it’s not a problem but folding across the window material just seems wrong.
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Nice video, although with one error. The canopies are not nylon. They are polyester, just as the leading edge is polyester. Nobody uses nylon, except cheap land kites.
We all know from windsurfing that PVC windows add weight. No getting around it.
But we also know, absolutely nobody sells a windsurf sail without a window.
They are coming like it or not, and someday you may not be able to buy one without it.
I’m going for windows this season. Any glimpse I get from one, is better than being blind all the time. Especially bad when riding in the harness. Also the next big trend.
I can't imagine wanting a 5 that weighs more than a 6, but I am happy to see brands adding in options to please everyone. Most importantly, there is a lot more gear out there now. I am also looking forward to smaller wings for women and kids actually arriving.
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For me the harness line is a must have item. I use it all the time when going upwind, so at least 50% of my session I am in it. I suppose if I had to I could get by without it, but my upwind angle would probably be about 20% less and I would probably tire out sooner.
The window would be nice for jibing. As Gong states on their website, their window is for jibing, it is not needed as much when just cruising along. For me the jibe when heading towards shore is a bit dicey when blind. Towards shore I have to worry about swimmers and getting too close to the shore break. Having a window during those jibes would give me more confidence. Now I do a quick look to make sure everything is clear, and then do the blind air jibe. The jibe heading away from land is not an issue doing it blind. No swimmers, no land, no one around. On that jibe I am looking at the swells to time my jibe right to catch a swell and not catch the back of one.
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For those that don’t know my history, I ride a full quiver of Fone Swings, the gold standard in my opinion, after previously owning Ozone, Gong, and Duotone wings.
My buddy and I tested the new S25 Naish Wing-Surfer in the 4.6m size during the reps demo tour. The iwindsurf sensor was showing 7-23 mph. Our worst, most gusty wind direction, straight off shore to the ocean. The river is our only place to ride in that direction. A bit like inland lake sailing. Violent gusts, then near calm.
First runs, the wind felt steady. This wind direction doesn’t “ever” feel steady. Very impressed with that.
Then I began to put a few performance clues together. I felt fast, like really fast. Then each time I jibed and sailed away toe side, I had to pump and milk it, to stay on foil and get up to speed again. Like what the heck, there was no wind coming out of jibes. It was like this most of the day. I eventually figured out what was going on. This wing is making tons of apparent wind. That is why I feel no wind after the jibe. There was no wind! The wing was making it “feel” way winder than it actually was, from apparent wind speed generation. For those without a sailing background, making apparent wind is a good thing. All while no backwinding of the forward section on the canopy. At least no backwinding at the level seen on my Fone. The Naish felt stable and very comfortable rocketing upwind. For sure, the upwind angles are higher and faster than my Fone.
I was ripping so fast, I was weighting more than normal on the boards nose. To the point, I actually pearled the nose at full tilt boogie into the back of some chop.
My buddy Mark (also an Fone owner) came back with the same conclusions after riding the Naish. So darn fast and stable.
Later in the day, I put a windsurf harness line on the wing. Stock windsurf lines worked perfect.
The handling in the jibe was slightly different, caused by the different aspect ratio compared to my Fone wing. No issue, just a few jibes to let the instincts adjust.
The Naish takes high pressure in the leading edge better than my Fone. It doesn’t bulge between the circumferential seams like it might pop, when you pump it rock hard. I like that. It gives me confidence to ride it rock hard. Adding to that confidence is Naish using high tensile thread, instead of the lower strength industry standard polyester thread. Naish switched their kites to this new thread about a year ago, allowing their kites to use higher pressures than industry standard. If I remember correctly, they tested kites to some insane pressure, like 60 psi, before the kites exploded. We all want higher pressure, it really does make wings perform better.
The handle comfort and quality, is my favorite of all the wings I have owned. They got the stuffing inside the tubular webbing just right. They feel solid and comfortable.
Naish uses the same inflation valve as my Fone, but they have figured out an improvement on the design. The Velcro cover over the valve has vent holes in it. This allows you to stick the plastic cap and Velcro cover back in place (to protect the canopy and valve cap from damage) then roll it up and air is free to escape. The one pump tube is super sized for quicker deflation and it is routed so it doesn’t get kinked all the time like my Fone. Simple changes that make a huge deal in user experience. I love that!
Regarding weight, I didn’t feel any difference riding it. Same with my buddy Mark. We know it has to be heavier just looking at it, but it sure doesn’t feel like it in-use.
The extra handles actually came in handy and I like it. You can ride narrow arm positions like my Fone, or wider like the Ozone. If you’re boosting airs, you’ll like the wider hand option. You can even tweak your positions asymmetric (to center of pressure) between toe side riding and heel side riding. It is also possible to over-sheet and drive harder and faster into the wind with the extra handles.
The window saved me already. I was off foil, putt-putting along, waiting on a gust. The gust came, but a channel marker was down wind of me. I could see it through the window. Being able to see it clearly, I was able to pump onto foil and miss it by 15 feet. Without that window, I would have been forced to pass on the gust, and wait until I had slowly drifted past it. I’ve had issues riding around other windsurfers and kiters who don’t understand wingers are riding blind without windows, so they pass way too close for comfort. Regulars to our wing spot know better, but outsiders/tourists don’t understand the issue. Issue solved! Being in Florida, I’m surrounded by jet skis and boats. They can’t hear me running silent on foil, and I can’t see them without windows. Not good! The situation is way worse once you advance to harness use, and extract the wings full potential. This puts the wing into full windsurf mode, locked and loaded to the max, completely blocking your vision without a window.
When viewed from the leading edge looking over the top of the canopy, the Naish appears deeper in draft compared to my Fone. Measured (by eye) bottom of leading edge tube to top of canopy. The max depth is forward on the Naish and back on my Fone. Draft forward, typically translates to better stability in the upper range. Funny thing though, you might think the Fone would be deeper in draft looking at the membrane between the canopy and strut, but it is not, when viewed from the front. Leading edge diameter is similar to Fone.
So I’m sold on them. A 2nd gen product that exceeded my expectations. I ordered every size. My Fone’s are going in the classified section. I ride whatever I think is best. I’m old, time is passing too fast. I plan to die with the best toys.
My current ranking on wings I have owned.
Naish S25 (2nd gen)
Fone Swing (1st gen)
Ozone WASP (1st gen)
Gong (1st gen)
Duotone (1st gen)
P.S. my 5.3m wing showed up today. It came with a pump and full replacement inflation valve parts. The valve parts are appreciated. Sand does muck up kite valves sometimes and this valve looks fancy (expensive) compared to the older kite valves.
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For those that don’t know my history, I ride a full quiver of Fone Swings, the gold standard in my opinion, after previously owning Ozone, Gong, and Duotone wings.
My buddy and I tested the new S25 Naish Wing-Surfer in the 4.6m size during the reps demo tour. The iwindsurf sensor was showing 7-23 mph. Our worst, most gusty wind direction, straight off shore to the ocean. The river is our only place to ride in that direction. A bit like inland lake sailing. Violent gusts, then near calm.
First runs, the wind felt steady. This wind direction doesn’t “ever” feel steady. Very impressed with that.
Then I began to put a few performance clues together. I felt fast, like really fast. Then each time I jibed and sailed away toe side, I had to pump and milk it, to stay on foil and get up to speed again. Like what the heck, there was no wind coming out of jibes. It was like this most of the day. I eventually figured out what was going on. This wing is making tons of apparent wind. That is why I feel no wind after the jibe. There was no wind! The wing was making it “feel” way winder than it actually was, from apparent wind speed generation. For those without a sailing background, making apparent wind is a good thing. All while no backwinding of the forward section on the canopy. At least no backwinding at the level seen on my Fone. The Naish felt stable and very comfortable rocketing upwind. For sure, the upwind angles are higher and faster than my Fone.
I was ripping so fast, I was weighting more than normal on the boards nose. To the point, I actually pearled the nose at full tilt boogie into the back of some chop.
My buddy Mark (also an Fone owner) came back with the same conclusions after riding the Naish. So darn fast and stable.
Later in the day, I put a windsurf harness line on the wing. Stock windsurf lines worked perfect.
The handling in the jibe was slightly different, caused by the different aspect ratio compared to my Fone wing. No issue, just a few jibes to let the instincts adjust.
The Naish takes high pressure in the leading edge better than my Fone. It doesn’t bulge between the circumferential seams like it might pop, when you pump it rock hard. I like that. It gives me confidence to ride it rock hard. Adding to that confidence is Naish using high tensile thread, instead of the lower strength industry standard polyester thread. Naish switched their kites to this new thread about a year ago, allowing their kites to use higher pressures than industry standard. If I remember correctly, they tested kites to some insane pressure, like 60 psi, before the kites exploded. We all want higher pressure, it really does make wings perform better.
The handle comfort and quality, is my favorite of all the wings I have owned. They got the stuffing inside the tubular webbing just right. They feel solid and comfortable.
Naish uses the same inflation valve as my Fone, but they have figured out an improvement on the design. The Velcro cover over the valve has vent holes in it. This allows you to stick the plastic cap and Velcro cover back in place (to protect the canopy and valve cap from damage) then roll it up and air is free to escape. The one pump tube is super sized for quicker deflation and it is routed so it doesn’t get kinked all the time like my Fone. Simple changes that make a huge deal in user experience. I love that!
Regarding weight, I didn’t feel any difference riding it. Same with my buddy Mark. We know it has to be heavier just looking at it, but it sure doesn’t feel like it in-use.
The extra handles actually came in handy and I like it. You can ride narrow arm positions like my Fone, or wider like the Ozone. If you’re boosting airs, you’ll like the wider hand option. You can even tweak your positions asymmetric (to center of pressure) between toe side riding and heel side riding. It is also possible to over-sheet and drive harder and faster into the wind with the extra handles.
The window saved me already. I was off foil, putt-putting along, waiting on a gust. The gust came, but a channel marker was down wind of me. I could see it through the window. Being able to see it clearly, I was able to pump onto foil and miss it by 15 feet. Without that window, I would have been forced to pass on the gust, and wait until I had slowly drifted past it. I’ve had issues riding around other windsurfers and kiters who don’t understand wingers are riding blind without windows, so they pass way too close for comfort. Regulars to our wing spot know better, but outsiders/tourists don’t understand the issue. Issue solved! Being in Florida, I’m surrounded by jet skis and boats. They can’t hear me running silent on foil, and I can’t see them without windows. Not good! The situation is way worse once you advance to harness use, and extract the wings full potential. This puts the wing into full windsurf mode, locked and loaded to the max, completely blocking your vision without a window.
When viewed from the leading edge looking over the top of the canopy, the Naish appears deeper in draft compared to my Fone. Measured (by eye) bottom of leading edge tube to top of canopy. The max depth is forward on the Naish and back on my Fone. Draft forward, typically translates to better stability in the upper range. Funny thing though, you might think the Fone would be deeper in draft looking at the membrane between the canopy and strut, but it is not, when viewed from the front. Leading edge diameter is similar to Fone.
So I’m sold on them. A 2nd gen product that exceeded my expectations. I ordered every size. My Fone’s are going in the classified section. I ride whatever I think is best. I’m old, time is passing too fast. I plan to die with the best toys.
My current ranking on wings I have owned.
Naish S25 (2nd gen)
Fone Swing (1st gen)
Ozone WASP (1st gen)
Gong (1st gen)
Duotone (1st gen)
P.S. my 5.3m wing showed up today. It came with a pump and full replacement inflation valve parts. The valve parts are appreciated. Sand does muck up kite valves sometimes and this valve looks fancy (expensive) compared to the older kite valves.
Crap Dwight. Now I’m really confused. Hope you don’t mind, but I sent you a PM.
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Thanks for review Dwight - how does the Naish flag-out? IMO the F-One is the to date champ at flagging out which makes it no.1 choice for waves and downwind.
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Thanks for review Dwight - how does the Naish flag-out? IMO the F-One is the to date champ at flagging out which makes it no.1 choice for waves and downwind.
Only ridden it in the river so far. Holding the nose handle on the beach, it behaves. We do think the nose handle being under the leading edge will make it easier to recover from the surfing holding the nose position.
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I ride whatever I think is best. I’m old, time is passing too fast. I plan to die with the best toys.
These are strong words. I remember you PM'd me and said "F'One is the best." I've been dragging my feet on the wing-ding.
However I did employ your advice and bought the GoFoil GL140. GREAT BUY! Next the GoPro Max. Life is short. Fortunately I am NOT a car guy and only big into electric bikes because they get me to the surf.
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Good stuff, and glad the bar is being pushed higher.
The Naish website isn't the best and a bit thin on detail.
Dwight - Would you care to speculate on wind ranges for the sizes? Given 4m was 'where it's at' for gen 1 wings, the lack of a 4m in their range is a bit contrary. Is the 3.6 the new 4?
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Yes Beasho, fun times. Stoked to feel the gains of a 2nd gen product.
You do need to join the winging bandwagon. Great fun. Whatever you can get your hands on, except the few duds from the 1st gen batch.
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Good stuff, and glad the bar is being pushed higher.
The Naish website isn't the best and a bit thin on detail.
Dwight - Would you care to speculate on wind ranges for the sizes? Given 4m was 'where it's at' for gen 1 wings, the lack of a 4m in their range is a bit contrary. Is the 3.6 the new 4?
Too early to judge range. The Australian importer posted a range over on their forum. https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/Wind-Range-Naish?page=1#7
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Thanks for the write-up on your experience Dwight. I bought my 6M F-One based on yours, Admin’s, and a few others experiences, so I trust your feedback. Two questions for you…do you anticipate that the Naish will have equivalent power in light wind (size for size) as the F-One? And when you have a chance, can you weigh your 5.3M?
I find that with my 6M F-One I can ride for much longer and not get nearly as tired as I do when I’m riding my 5M Gong…I’m not sure if that comes down to the weight of the wing or its design, but either way it’s very noticeable. Has anyone else experienced this when riding wings from different manufacturers?
The feedback that I saw on the V1 Naish wing-surfer was that it was one of the worst of the 1st generation wing designs, to see them make this big of an improvement is very surprising.
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Rastaman3030, I noticed a lot more strain on the back arm and lat with the Slingwing vs. the Swing.
The Swing seems to be well balanced and as there is only one place to put your hands they are always in the right spot.
Between this and the use of the harness for all up wind riding, I normally get a good 2 hour session in, sometimes longer. I do keep a water pack on my back and I am exhausted afterwords, but the sessions are great.
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Will there be a comparinson to the new Duotone anytime soon? Trying to upgrade for 2020.
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Here is my 5.3m setup with Dakine harness line https://www.dakine.com/collections/windsurf-accessories/products/dakine-lines?variant=29225286467664
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49619295928_0576b701df.jpg)
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We don't have the S25 listed at the moment but shoot me a PM if you want one. Naish have almost every size in stock and ready to go. Also reach me over here http://greenwatersports.com/contact or 1-888-252-4983
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Here is my 5.3m setup with Dakine harness line https://www.dakine.com/collections/windsurf-accessories/products/dakine-lines?variant=29225286467664
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49619295928_0576b701df.jpg)
Hey Dwight, how did the Naish wing come folded up? Just curious how to pack without putting a crease in the window but allowing it to fit in a small bag or backpack? Is the bag similar in size to F-One?
Thanks
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Hey Dwight, how did the Naish wing come folded up? Just curious how to pack without putting a crease in the window but allowing it to fit in a small bag or backpack? Is the bag similar in size to F-One?
Thanks
Don’t worry about it. PVC windows have been in sails for 30 years. Maybe longer. You can even put your head into them, put a big dent in it, then it magically goes away over time.
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Off shore wind again today. A place I normally only get about 25% harness use because it’s too sketchy (draft moving, wing bucking) in the nuclear gusts from hell. I rode in the harness 100% today, taking every gust no problem. Absolutely no doubt the stability is next level.
Video was from earlier in the day before my nuclear hooked in runs. Jacky put the camera away too early.
https://youtu.be/xYzH3eWePgg
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Hey Dwight, how did the Naish wing come folded up? Just curious how to pack without putting a crease in the window but allowing it to fit in a small bag or backpack? Is the bag similar in size to F-One?
Thanks
Don’t worry about it. PVC windows have been in sails for 30 years. Maybe longer. You can even put your head into them, put a big dent in it, then it magically goes away over time.
That’s why I asked, I have been windsurfing 25 years but never once folded a sail, always rolled them up. Windows are durable but can get awfully cloudy
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I did a short session at Kanaha today with my 6M F-one. I didn't have much time, we're doing a remodel at Ponohouse. but needed to get wet. S25's were everywhere. It was kind of weird. Before today there was just Robbie and his prototypes, Michi, and one nice Hawaiian lady who is very good. today they were like bellybuttons--everybody had one.
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Windows are durable but can get awfully cloudy
They only get cloudy when you wash them with fresh water and put away wet. Salt water doesn’t do that.
It clears up in the sun anyway.
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Windows are durable but can get awfully cloudy
They only get cloudy when you wash them with fresh water and put away wet. Salt water doesn’t do that.
It clears up in the sun anyway.
So if you are only using them in fresh water, how do you stop them from getting cloudy? Is the answer to wipe them down to try and dry them before putting them away?
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Fresh water riders have to let them dry before packing up.
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Thanks Dwight.
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I looked one over yesterday. Nice design, I can see how a lot of people would like them. Then I picked one up. It didn't have markings on it telling the size that I could see, so it might have been a prototype, but geez it was heavy.
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Windows always get cloudy in my experience with windsurf sails, if you want to have clear windows you have to sell your sails every year and get new ones.
I windsurf in salt water only btw.
And with windows in wings , you will never see everything. and you will Just lifting the wing is safer
So I go for light weight.
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.....it might have been a prototype, but geez it was heavy.
A light weight wing is advantageous when doing knee starts without enough wind for sure. But nobody buys a sail based on how it uphauls. Once you get to your feet, then it all makes sense. The powerful, rigid, rock solid pumps, get you airborne easier.
Let’s think about what we know from windsurfing for a moment. Many here, have never windsurfed.
Jacky and I cannot use each other’s windsurf booms. Why? Because our harness lines are in totally different spots on the booms. This is due to our big weight difference. The harness lines are set to the center of pressure in the sail (wing) for perfect balance. That balance spot (center of pressure) can only be found while sailing. We ride the same sails, yet our harness lines are in different spots. What gives? Well, it’s the sail (wing) that gives. The draft in a sail (or wing) moves back as the load increases. The heavier it’s loaded, the more it moves back, changing that center of pressure, or balance spot. You counter this movement with back hand pressure. This issue becomes less as designs advance, but it never goes away.
How does this relate to winging? If the handles are fixed, no boom, then you are forced to use what is there, regardless of your weight. If there are only two handles for riding, then somebody has a less than ideal setup. The average 160 lb rider has it made, the wing is designed around them. The rest of us ride a compromised wing. The heavy dude has more back arm pressure. The little lady has more front arm pressure. Close enough is good enough in the beginning, then you get better, and want better. Lots of people probably don’t notice this yet, because their arms are just the rubber band between them and the wing, wasting/spilling power. Heavy dudes can’t be wasting power.
I burned out my back arm pretty quick and got tendinitis. I started using a harness to clear it up.
The extra Naish handles, combined with the increased wing stability, reduces these issues.
I have noticed the increased stability of the S25 at my weight, has allowed a wider range of comfortable harness use. Wider range in not just wind speed, but wider range of angles to the wind. Higher upwind angles are more comfortable, and farther down wind is more comfortable. All because of the rigidity and stability of the S25. When I switch wings with my buddy and get back on what I used to ride, it’s a hot mess of instability, and feels like a spongy blown out bed sheet. I’ve gone from riding in the harness 50% with the old wing, to 100% with the S25. That is a huge advancement.
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Dwight I have the 1st gen 4m naish and weight was not that bad really, but it’s a 4m so didn’t really effect me then I got the 7m gong guess V2? and man that thing was a beast weight and airwise probably weighs as much as my old naish 15m fly kite and probably took as much air to pump up and I’m a big guy 225lb dry being a kiter for 15 yrs thought it’s weight and air volume was definitely excessive, just wondering if perhaps you tried the 7m gong and could compare it weight wise to the new naish bigger wings? Im interested in the 5.3 and 7.2 when it comes out,for westcoast in 15-25 mph days, but hoping new naish is not as heavy as my gong my biggest complaint but the gong definitely has the power for a big rider like myself but a lot to wrestle with weight wise and strain on my elbow sometimes,also going to convert to more harness time come wind season here I use a dakine nitro harness for kiting will that be good fit with the da kine harness line you use or do you recommend something else, not a big fan of waist harness’s with my build.nice review Dwight Thanks
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Paddlur, I was riding the Duotone 5m and Gong 7m back then, so Gong weight seemed fine. The balance of the Gong was nice, so never had issues with it. Can’t help any more than that.
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Paddlur, I was riding the Duotone 5m and Gong 7m back then, so Gong weight seemed fine. The balance of the Gong was nice, so never had issues with it. Can’t help any more than that.
Gotcha how bout the harness, what are you using? I have the dakine short style Nitrous harness you think that would work with the dakine harness lines you use or you need a higher waist harness or more windsurf oriented harness which I’m not familiar with
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It should work with your harness.
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Figured out a few more ways the S25 has changed winging for me.
I used to run back the beach every time the wind picked up to get off my Axis 102 foil, the big slow beast. I’d switch to the much faster Axis 1000. Then the wind would get fluky and I’d run back to the beach for the Axis 102 again. The super speedy 900 only worked for me on 3.5m days, otherwise it was too much work.
With the S25 powering my Axis foils, it’s a whole new ballgame. The Axis 102 no longer feels slow. I’m thrilled to ride it all day. The 900 is much more usable. I had an epic 5.3m session on the 900 and never had an issue all day powering that little wing up. I felt like speed racer all day.
Another bonus has been the upwind performance. I used to be disappointed by my upwind performance unless on the racy wings (900 and 1000). Now the 102 Axis rips upwind so fast and quick, it’s a hoot to go far upwind, then surf the wonderful wing downwind back home.
Way more speed from the wing ding, changes everything at the foil end. The future is bright!
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That's great to read. Any wind range guidelines as you use your S25 more?
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My buddy shot this yesterday on his Mavic Mini drone. I’m the only one out (being the wind dummy) 3 others wingers are watching from the beach to see if it’s windy enough to ride yet.
I asked him to leave in the knee starts, the light wind struggling jibes wrong foot forward. All my struggles, not just the good stuff. I think it helps everyone get a better idea of the real world in the lightest conditions on a 6m and wing board, not a SUP.
https://youtu.be/nlTOfKgE6-8
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That's great to read. Any wind range guidelines as you use your S25 more?
6m Low end the same as my Fone 6m, high end more, and more comfortable. So much so, I’m not running back to the beach when the sea breeze kicks in to get my 5m. Really happy with it. I just show up after lunch, rig the 6m and go ride. If the sea breeze goes off, no worries, keep riding, good all day.
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DW - any comments on the 6m vs 5.3m? Nominally quite close together size wise but do they feel it on the water. Do you get the sense they are cut differently or purely just different sizes?
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DW - any comments on the 6m vs 5.3m? Nominally quite close together size wise but do they feel it on the water. Do you get the sense they are cut differently or purely just different sizes?
No difference in cut or feel to me. Just different sizes. Rode the 5.3 a lot, then got the 6m and now ride it a lot. I think I could probably go 6m and 4.6m.
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My buddy shot this yesterday on his Mavic Mini drone. I’m the only one out (being the wind dummy) 3 others wingers are watching from the beach to see if it’s windy enough to ride yet.
I asked him to leave in the knee starts, the light wind struggling jibes wrong foot forward. All my struggles, not just the good stuff. I think it helps everyone get a better idea of the real world in the lightest conditions on a 6m and wing board, not a SUP.
Just need to practice your foot switching more! I’m not happy riding in one stance for more than just enough time to get upwind and try something new (harness is useless to me). If you’re not falling your not learning! Great looking wing and that 90 liter Inegra board is the best for us wobbly ole timers......
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DW - any comments on the 6m vs 5.3m? Nominally quite close together size wise but do they feel it on the water. Do you get the sense they are cut differently or purely just different sizes?
No difference in cut or feel to me. Just different sizes. Rode the 5.3 a lot, then got the 6m and now ride it a lot. I think I could probably go 6m and 4.6m.
OK, thanks. I'm err'ing on getting a 5.3 and 3.6 as a do it all quiver. I'm quite small at 65kg so figured that would offer a good range for 2 wings.
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6m S25 light wind session.
https://youtu.be/YEgmDg0GXbg
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Dude, your pump takeoffs are smooth now. 3-4 pumps and you’re off.
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As a beginner, I find videos like this infinitely more valuable than the "highlight reels" most people post. Thanks. Eagerly awaiting my S25 6 meter which arrives in 2 days.
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Dude, your pump takeoffs are smooth now. 3-4 pumps and you’re off.
That's at least partly six meter goodness. The big torque of a 6M makes pumping much easier. I suck at it, but I can pop up quickly in light wind with a 6M, but struggle in a strong wind with a 3.5M. I have to be going a lot faster to get up with a small wing on my 101, but with the same foil I can pop up in next to nothing, at much lower speed.
Smooth turns DW, I need to work on going toeside/heelside. My switchfoot jibes are going to suck for a long time to come. I dip a wingtip way too often in the middle of doing a switchfoot jibe, you don't even seem to come close.
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As a beginner, I find videos like this infinitely more valuable than the "highlight reels" most people post. Thanks. Eagerly awaiting my S25 6 meter which arrives in 2 days.
You are going to love your S25 6m.. I’ve had mine a couple of months now and it’s pretty much all I use in all wind conditions because its wind range is amazing and low down grunt really does get you up and going with two or three pumps.
I have a tip for you when you get it.. Use the third front handle and second last handle.. and when going off the wind I sometimes use the third back handle to lighten the grunt of this big wing.
When I first got mine I was using the second front handle and found it very heavy on the back arm but since I swapped to the third front it’s so much better and feels much more balanced allowing more straight arm (windsurfer like) sailing.
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Here is the 6m riding position and harness location
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49698604877_5d6e08e85f.jpg)
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https://youtu.be/DutQgDRV4Ic
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So Dwight and DavidJ, sounds like both of you are riding that 6m up to a higher wind limit than other 6m wings. What would say your ideal upper limit is before you want to switch down in size? Really looking at a 2 wing quiver, either 6 and 4.6 or 5.3 and 3.6. OBX winds tend to be stronger and more gusty than FL. Lots of 15-25 and 18-32 days, with a few 8-15 days thrown in. Hard to figure this out without without doing a 3 wing quiver. I’m still at ~169 #.
What’s it like tacking the Naish or riding it backwinded (half way through a 360) versus an F1 or Wasp?
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https://youtu.be/DutQgDRV4Ic
I always have some skepticism towards industry reviews but interesting comments that highlight some notable differences in the 2 wings. Note that they do not carry the F-One wing.
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So Dwight and DavidJ, sounds like both of you are riding that 6m up to a higher wind limit than other 6m wings. What would say your ideal upper limit is before you want to switch down in size? Really looking at a 2 wing quiver, either 6 and 4.6 or 5.3 and 3.6. OBX winds tend to be stronger and more gusty than FL. Lots of 15-25 and 18-32 days, with a few 8-15 days thrown in. Hard to figure this out without without doing a 3 wing quiver. I’m still at ~169 #.
What’s it like tacking the Naish or riding it backwinded (half way through a 360) versus an F1 or Wasp?
5.3 and 3.6 for OBX. The 6m has huge range yes, but lets get real about it. The S25 is a different animal from anything else out there. Gen 1 wings feel like 2 line Wipikas. Gen 2 feel like bow kites. Matt almost figures this out when he compares the Ozone to the S25, but gets confused trying to explain why. Matt should give you a demo.
I haven’t tried a 360 or tack with mine. I will next time out. I’ve been so in love with my new upwind ability, I rocket upwind to the big bridge, then surf the wind waves back to Kelly, then repeat, over and over.
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5.3 and 3.6 for OBX. The 6m has huge range yes, but lets get real about it. The S25 is a different animal from anything else out there. Gen 1 wings feel like 2 line Wipikas. Gen 2 feel like bow kites. Matt almost figures this out when he compares the Ozone to the S25, but gets confused trying to explain why. Matt should give you a demo.
I haven’t tried a 360 or tack with mine. I will next time out. I’ve been so in love with my new upwind ability, I rocket upwind to the big bridge, then surf the wind waves back to Kelly, then repeat, over and over.
Thanks! I figured as much. I don’t want to make any negative comments about local shops and demos,...let’s just say that despite our location here, we still have to buy almost all our gear site unseen. A trivial first world problem. I trust your judgement, and it’s about time I gave the handle thingy a try....
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I always have some skepticism towards industry reviews but interesting comments that highlight some notable differences in the 2 wings. Note that they do not carry the F-One wing.
I found the video valuable as well. He is critical of both wings and sells both. It sounds like he prefers the Wasp but also like he is more familiar with it.
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They're probly sitting on a bunch of ozones and want to direct sales to them before having to do close out pricing with people wanting 2nd generation gear.
If you look at older wing reviews from kite shops, they bash on wings being only for high winds and being hard to use. They were trying to direct buyers to keep on kites so they could clear inventory it looked like to me. My friend's with shops that has kite, wind surf, all foil sports and even kayaks were all into the wing and stoked to have them.
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What’s it like tacking the Naish or riding it backwinded (half way through a 360) versus an F1 or Wasp?
Tried tacks today with the 6m in 12-14 mph wind. I made 10 out of 10, never fell in, and I’ve never done a winging tack in my life. I had tried only 2 days previously with the Swing and failed horribly. The last time I tried the board hit me in the head.
So I’d say I either became a wizard overnight, or the Naish is easier. I’m still a clumsy old man, so it must be the Naish. My buddy on the beach said I went way around pretty easy. I think the upwind superiority and apparent wind makes it easier.
A Drone was in the air chasing me. Drone operator struggled to keep up. Hope the video is good. I’ll post it tomorrow.
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What’s it like tacking the Naish or riding it backwinded (half way through a 360) versus an F1 or Wasp?
Tried tacks today with the 6m in 12-14 mph wind. I made 10 out of 10, never fell in, and I’ve never done a winging tack in my life. I had tried only 2 days previously with the Swing and failed horribly. The last time I tried the board hit me in the head.
So I’d say I either became a wizard overnight, or the Naish is easier. I’m still a clumsy old man, so it must be the Naish. My buddy on the beach said I went way around pretty easy. I think the upwind superiority and apparent wind makes it easier.
A Drone was in the air chasing me. Drone operator struggled to keep up. Hope the video is good. I’ll post it tomorrow.
Awesome! Sounds like a major breakthrough😀.
I did pull the trigger and picked up a 5.3 and 3.6 today from Real. Looking forward to getting out on them ASAP. Kinda dropped the ball working on my 360’s. I think the S25’s will make them a bit easier to master as well, but just a guess.
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Very excited by this discussion! I just received my S25 5.3m on Tues but have not had a chance to use it, possibly this weekend by the forecast. I can't wait to try this magic wing and start making all my moves!😉
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Here is the video from yesterday. Still can’t believe I made every one I tired. What an awesome day.
https://youtu.be/TAjLZfO1I1k
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Nice Dwight! Great progress. The drone footage is sweet.
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Awesome Dwight!
Tell us more about your tecnique please. As far as i see the first thing is moving the wing to your head when you gain speed and then you start to turn, correct?
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Tell us more about your tecnique please.
Flkiter gave us a beach demonstration of the technique a few weeks ago. I went out right afterwards and failed so bad, the board hit me in the head. Had not tried since that day until yesterday.
The key is sending the wing forward over your head as you start the carve, so you lean forward, not back, which is your natural tendency. Without sending it forward, the kook move is to look up at the wing, lean back, and immediately wheelie the board airborne and get hit by it. That WAS me. Flkiter had another tip where he forces the wing to spin pivot by pushing away with his rear hand as he starts the tack. I didn’t need to do that yesterday.
Yesterday, I carved, sent the wing forward, and surprised myself by how far it carved around automatically. Never had that feeling before of it carving so far around by itself. From there it was easy, switch the front hands, grab the rear handle and I was around to my total surprise. After about 5 tacks, the touch a goes became full flying tacks. I kept expecting to choke and crash once I heard the drone buzzing me, but never missed a one.
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Here is the video from yesterday. Still can’t believe I made every one I tired. What an awesome day.
That video is the stuff of dreams. Same thing over and over but can’t stop watching.
Too cool. The video, the sunshine, the drone hover and track, the light air, the planing (foiling) in almost no wind. Just what we all dreamed of 30 years ago - maybe more for some of you 8)
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Nice work DW - very cool. Really hope that tacking comes to me even half that easily (but I'm not holding my breath!)
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"The key is sending the wing forward over your head as you start the carve, so you lean forward, not back, which is your natural tendency"
Thanks you DW, i think you absolutely nailed it. I've been trying tacking holding the wing up, but i think the key is really to holding up AND MOVING IT FORWARD. can't wait to try.
thank you for this amazing tip!
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Looking smooth DW, I'm glad you went back out to nail that trick. Soon you'll start doing that in the waves, super fun. Plus learning the timing to get the tack and catch the wave is a fun challenge.
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So Dwight and DavidJ, sounds like both of you are riding that 6m up to a higher wind limit than other 6m wings. What would say your ideal upper limit is before you want to switch down in size? Really looking at a 2 wing quiver, either 6 and 4.6 or 5.3 and 3.6.
I’m using my new Naish 6m in winds from 10 knots to 20 knots and 25 knot gusts without a problem but a solid 25 knots might be pushing it.. That’s not saying that’s the case for everyone.. I’m a big guy at 6’4” and a lifetime of windsurfing and loving that powered up (overpowered) feel. I’m thinking a 6m and 4.6 might be a good two wing quiver for me so a 5.3 and 3.6 will suit most people.
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I just noticed Matt at Real posted his written review. Since he took my review and posted it to his web site, I guess it must be ok to take his, and post here ;)
The paragraphs highlighted (by me) is what we call progress. I expect this in most gen 2 wings. I’d bet the Duotone Echo has the same gust absorption. More like a windsurf sail with each generation. We are still way behind as a sport, compared to the mature wind sports.
4.6m and 5.3m Naish S25 Review
Matt Nuzzo on Mar 21, 2020
These are my two bread and butter sizes. I am mostly riding an Armstrong 1550 foil with these two wings. The 4.6m is my go to for 15-25mph of wind and the 5.3m I am using mostly in 10-18mph of wind.
When I am teaching people I am starting them on the 4.6m underpowered so they can learn how to handle the wing. Once they can stand up on the board, I like to put them on too big of a wing so they can get more forward speed with less pumping of the wing. That means I am having the student ride either wing toward the top of the wind range.
Naish did a great job with the upgrade of the Wing surfer S25. They are well built, easy to fly and have great performance attributes once you know how to ride. They have been easy to teach people on as well.
I really like how well this wing handles gusts. When you get hit by a gust the power slowly comes on so you can control your speed easier. Same thing when you ride through a lull, the wing keeps solid in your hands and you stay powered through the lull.
The upwind performance is unmatched. Same for the top speed. If you really want to go fast you can move your hands down the strut, sheet in and really fly on this thing. I can keep up with most of the kite foilers on the water with this wing.
Finally the windows are really awesome. It is great to see what is straight down wind of you with out having to lift the wing over you head.
6m S25 Wing Surfer Makes Phantom Wind
Matt Nuzzo on Mar 21, 2020
I have been riding the 6m S25 a bunch to test the low end range of this wing. I have been riding it in a lot of gusty conditions that ranged from 5-10mph of wind and a couple of days that were 5-15. For the really light stuff I am riding a 2400 foil and when it looks a little windier, I have been riding the 1550.
They made the 6m fatter than the smaller sizes. This means that the wing tips are not super long. This helps keeping the wing tips out of the water. It is still a big wing and not the best for a straight beginner unless you are really tall.
The 6m feels like you don't have power in it until you get a gust and start pumping to get some speed going. At the really low end of the range, you really need to ready the gust and pump like mad to get up on foil.
Once you are on foil, the 6m seems to create its own wind. Gusts have a very smooth power delivery so you don't get and immediate jolt of speed. Riding through lulls is wild as you just seem to keep riding with power in the wing even though you go right through a glassy patch of water.
The upwind performance of the 6m is better than expected too.
The only down side is that when you turn, it feels like there is no air in the wing. You just need to bring the wing over your head to transition rather than out in front of you.
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Has anyone figured out how to get your new S25 Wingsurfer into the bag without creasing/folding the windows? Is there some origami wizard trick? Does it even matter do you think?
Be healthy, be happy! Rob
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My understanding is it doesn't matter. I just roll up towards the center and then fold without worrying about the windows. Please correct me if this is a mistake.
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RobM I was wondering that same thing, and would love a photo of how the new Naish wing comes packed and the bag size.
Windsurfer sail manufacturers always make the sail bag just slightly bigger than the rolled up sail. That always frustrated the hell out of me, and like you said, you practically need to know origami or be a sushi chef to roll the sail small enough to fit it back in.
I have to be pretty methodical and careful to get my Fone wing back into the back pack.
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Hey Caribsurf, the new wing came in the bag folded up. Not like I usually do - roll from wing tips to center strut then fold up roughly in 3rds, and put in bag. Here's pics of v1 4m beside new S25 5.3 to give you some sense of bag size. Still pretty compact (but there are those folds in the windows!) Rob
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hey Rob thanks for that photo. The new Naish packs surprisingly smaller than I would have imagined. I do wonder about the creases in the window over time, but I guess they know what they are dong with all those year of making sails...
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Rode the 3.6m today in this wind. 100% riding in the harness and very comfortable. First time on the 3.6m. I’m impressed. The future of this sport is bright! Was using the Axis 900 with 400 and 460 tail. I prefer the 400. Surf’s a little better.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49754211796_b0e4583046.jpg)
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Rode the 3.6m today in this wind. 100% riding in the harness and very comfortable. First time on the 3.6m. I’m impressed.
Anything in particular in comparison to the other sizes that impressed you?
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Rode the 3.6m today in this wind. 100% riding in the harness and very comfortable. First time on the 3.6m. I’m impressed. The future of this sport is bright! Was using the Axis 900 with 400 and 460 tail. I prefer the 400. Surf’s a little better.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49754211796_b0e4583046.jpg)
Less than 20 MPH average winds. Looks like wings could go even smaller.
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20 is low wind line. This meter doesn’t give an average. It’s the Gov meter.
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Anything in particular in comparison to the other sizes that impressed you?
The Naish size gaps are odd. 3.6m to 4.6m being the largest gap in the lineup. Was hoping the gap worked and the 3.6m had good range. It did not disappoint.
It’s still weird to a life long windsurfer to see such odd size spacing. They probably could have fudged the size labeling. It’s been done before, in all wind sports. My buddy (30 lbs lighter than me, owns one size) was riding his 5.3m. So the 5.3 to 3.6 gap is doable.
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They are odd size gaps. The only thing I could think of was that they were thinking about people buying quivers - 3.6 and 5.3 is a good gap for smaller people, and similarly 4.6 and 6 is a good gap for the bigger...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-F6G0a0erU&feature=youtu.be
Looks like new bags are needed to pack properly.
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I love that they figured out an issue and are sending everyone a solution. Doing the right thing for their customers. I guess you can afford to do that when you get almost a grand for half a kite.
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took him a year longer than everyone else to figure out you need a window? :P
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took him a year longer than everyone else to figure out you need a window? :P
Not many first generation Wings I can think of that had windows. I know Duotone and Slingwing did, but not many others that come to mind. I know Gong went to windows, but I believe that was also their second generation. If you look at FOne and Ozone, the two first generation wings that seemed to get the highest ratings, neither of them had windows.
So I’d say Robbie is not all that late to the party.
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Just came across this on the Seabreeze.com.au forum - new recommended S25 packing procedures to preserve the windows; new "sausage bags" will be sent to current owners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=186&v=p-F6G0a0erU&feature=emb_title
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Has anyone done a back to back comparison of the power/range of the 3.6 Naish and 3.5 Swing?
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I've had alot of sessions on the 4.6m and am overall quite happy with this wing. It is the only S24 in my quiver, but have come to the conclusion that with all the handle offerings available up and down the strut they are actually in the wrong place. I started out with my front hand on handle #2 and rear on #6. I now grasp #2 and #3 together and #6 and #7 together with the latter being more critical. Either four fingers on #7 and my thumb around #6 or three fingers on #7 and my thumb and index finger on #6. The wing is now more powerful, stable and balanced. So much so that I will probably cut and sew #2/#3 and #6/#7 together making a longer handle. I recently saw a video from Boardriding Maui where they have handles similar to what I would like to do. Curious if others have come to the same conclusion about handle placement on the 4.6 or other sizes....
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On my 4.6 I felt very comfortable using handles 2 and 6.. but as you can see in this vid I sometimes used both 2 and 3 together at times and sometimes the 3rd front.
I can see myself using the 3rd front going upwind and second front when going off the wind.. I don’t see it as a problem and would prefer this option than just 3 handles like another brand of wing.
https://vimeo.com/420566559
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I now grasp #2 and #3 together and #6 and #7 together with the latter being more critical. Either four fingers on #7 and my thumb around #6 or three fingers on #7 and my thumb and index finger on #6. The wing is now more powerful, stable and balanced.
Interesting, will have to try this. First time on the 3.6 yesterday sometimes I felt like front hand on #2 was helpful but you give up some ability to respond quickly in our gusty conditions. Initially had the harness line on 2-4 but moving it to 3-4 worked much better.
Didn't try anything beyond 6 for the back. Feel like I need to be able to ride with my back elbow straighter, maybe 7 will help. That is also the case with the Gong Pulse 5 though.
That all said, was very impressed with the holes I could plane through and the gusts it could handle. Think it will be the smallest wing I need for the Gorge.
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I put harness on handle 4 on 3.6. Hands on handles 2 and 6
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I put harness on handle 4 on 3.6. Hands on handles 2 and 6
Ok, so both attachment points on handle 4. Makes sense since it's kinda like a third hand and 4 seems closest to the average balance point. Will try that too, my harness line seemed a hair short anyway.
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I put harness on handle 4 on 3.6. Hands on handles 2 and 6
Hi Dwight, I believe you have the 5.3 also, where have you put the harness for that size? Thanks!
Rob
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The front hand works best for me on the 3rd front on the 6 and 5.3 and 2nd front on the smaller 4.6 and 3.6.. It’s only the 4.6 that the front hand sometimes feels best between the 2nd and the 3rd front.. and it’s the only size that I’ve felt the need to sometimes grab two handles at once.
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Hi Dwight, I believe you have the 5.3 also, where have you put the harness for that size? Thanks!
Rob
5.3m
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Holy cr@p, found the upper limit of the 3.6 yesterday, memories (nightmares) of windsurfing Rooster Rock way back when with the 2.8 sheeted out and flapping, 50' visibility through the spray. Didn't spend much time at it knowing today looks like much more sane conditions but found a few holes where I had at least some control and a few really fun downwind swell rides.
Still don't see getting a smaller size as I think the 3.6 will still be usable for downwinding even in those fairly rare conditions.
That all said, finally committed to handle 2 on for the front and am sold on it. let the wing do it's thing, usually doesn't stray too far.
Could be our outrageous gustiness but didn't seem comfortable initially. Tried the harness line on just handle 4 but these just weren't good conditions for testing, hooking in seemed like madness most of the time anyway.
Hopefully better testing conditions today. I'm hoping and it seems likely the bottom end of the 3.6 could be as low as 15mph with an Axis 1010.
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Holy cr@p, found the upper limit of the 3.6 yesterday
I thought it was just me. I had my ass handed to me for 2 hours. Way over on 3.5 Swing and Axis 1000. I had to wait for lulls to bare off. Some screaming runs and plenty of fun but it waren't pretty.
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I thought it was just me. I had my ass handed to me for 2 hours.
Nope, you must have gone to Roosevelt?.. or at least didn't see you at Avery.
The fun to pain ratio was just too high but it was nice to be in the sun and watch conditions a lot of the time. Yesterday just three windsurfers, two days ago though there were four other wingers. One had the new Slingshot wing.
Most seem to prefer the launch right where the road crosses the tracks while I'm finding that nice protected boat ramp downwind a little to be quite luxurious.
Hoping for more satisfaction today but the few local spots may be super crowded :'(
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Nope, you must have gone to Roosevelt?.. or at least didn't see you at Avery.
Yeah, I did. It wasn't relaxing.
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Ok, handles 2 & 7 with the 3.6, that's my final offer ;D
Today was a much more reasonable 15-30. Using handle 7 for the rear made my harness line on 3 & 4 seem just about right.
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Froze my ass off today. WTF, it's May 23, and I wanted to go back in to get gloves.
Fortunately we have a steam shower at the house. I stood in that thing for about an hour.
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I should have gone 3.5 but that was really fun. Man, is it going to feel tame when they close the dams, the water warms up and the wind smooths out a little. :)
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So happy to see this video. Good stuff.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CArK1MRJ195/?igshid=128w8c2lilazz
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So happy to see this video. Good stuff.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CArK1MRJ195/?igshid=128w8c2lilazz
I agree.. You can see how much I use my windows in this vid.
https://vimeo.com/423113678
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https://youtu.be/pK4dQbZYEtQ
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Dwight was wondering your thoughts on the Moses W1100 wing and foil compared to the axis 1020? I used to ride Moses kite foils years ago and know they had real nice build quality back then,but there lack of larger surf wings back then made me go back to MHL for kite foiling, but evidently much has changed with Moses of coarse since,not up to date on there newer stuff.Recenly I received my new Axis 1020-500 and am pretty stoked on it usually ride with my Naish S25 6m wing but could always use a bit more lift with my weight 225 plus in lighter winds and by the looks there the M1100 appears like it might have a bit more low-end oomph than the 1020 as not sure Id be flying in 8-15mph on my 1020-500 6m S25,but think I have few LBs on you.Be curious how you are liking the moses set up looks pretty good there in combo with the 6m S25.From video there in 8-15 mph Im thinking I shoulda been looking into that set up as well as we get heaps of 10-15mph days here
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Dwight was wondering your thoughts on the Moses W1100 wing and foil compared to the axis 1020? I used to ride Moses kite foils years ago and know they had real nice build quality back then,but there lack of larger surf wings back then made me go back to MHL for kite foiling, but evidently much has changed with Moses of coarse since,not up to date on there newer stuff.Recenly I received my new Axis 1020-500 and am pretty stoked on it usually ride with my Naish S25 6m wing but could always use a bit more lift with my weight 225 plus in lighter winds and by the looks there the M1100 appears like it might have a bit more low-end oomph than the 1020 as not sure Id be flying in 8-15mph on my 1020-500 6m S25,but think I have few LBs on you.Be curious how you are liking the moses set up looks pretty good there in combo with the 6m S25.From video there in 8-15 mph Im thinking I shoulda been looking into that set up as well as we get heaps of 10-15mph days here
You need a 7m wing.
The low end is the same to me. The top end is more on the W1100.