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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: JEG on February 12, 2020, 08:53:44 PM
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Interesting idea of the quick release dual track plate mount. Also, looks like they make an aftermarket gofoil pedestal and probably an option of short and long fuselage bolt mount.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B7mRPkXHIxP/?igshid=87ogiq1mtvi1
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Knowing a guy a who had T-nuts (with their large surface area compared to a silly dowel pin) break out of the tracks in his production windsurf foilboard.....hell no to that contraption.
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yeah, I'm guessing its okay to use quick release on single sup surf fin but there's a lot of pressure/force on that foil mount area though we dont know until we try. Who's here the the test dummies 8)
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Weight matters on these foil boards.
1) I have never met a dual track system that hasn't broken (No offense DW I think yours would hold up)
2) They may be fine for lighter boards and smaller conditions
You want it all to be LIGHT. This thing would add undue weight and risk.
Might end up like this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B8aOGX0n-_6/
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Grant is solid guy and rips on all craft.
He's super creative and continually coming up with innovative designs, I can't wait to see what he comes up with next.
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I must be missing something...what prevents them from sliding forward and/or backwards in the track during use? ???
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The weight of the board and the upward pressure of the foil. It’s really ingenious if you watch his videos.
It hinges back, not forward, so your entire weight is holding it in.
If you hit a rock, it can swing back, but the pins keep the foil in the tracks so you keep your foil.
It actually protects your tracks in that way. A hard hit can release. But once you see it work I think you’ll agree that there’s no way you’d knock this loose other than an aerial, which he recommends you don’t do.
For a weekend warrior this seems pretty great and hes selling a bunch so if it is a dud you will hear about it. So far nothing on social media that says anything bad.
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I must admit I'm a bit surprised that there aren't more quick release type systems. I've got the Naish Abracadabra mast plate system and it's fantastic.
Sure it saves a bit of time and effort (which for me with 2 small kids maximises foil time) but the real win is packing up with cold claw hands. Anything that reduces fiddling with small parts in UK winter gets a big 👍from me.
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It looks like it could have a place. I can see this working good for wing-foiling, Down-winding maybe even wake foiling (non jumping of course), as long as you can physically reinstall it in deep water could be a nice option.
Any idea what it cost?
Probably wouldn't use it in surf of any size. Getting caught inside may be a issue if the white water makes it release to the folded position, add some more white water to the folded out foil and...
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$50 and it’s tested in the surf in Santa Cruz. Check him on Instagram. Tons of videos.
It’s actually made so you can adjust your foil in the surf between waves without a screwdriver stabbing you in your pocket. Hope someone on here grabs one to test before everyone declares it unworkable before they actually see or use one lol.
If you worry about it pulling back from drag you have to remember that the second you have forward motion to create drag, you also have lift/pressure to counter it.
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Interesting. I’m currently using the Noir Matter quick flight system when bringing the foil on a jet ski. The quick release option is nice but I would still feel more comfortable with a screw. What about using the tail mount slides like this new system and have two standard T nuts in the front? Or maybe even just one.
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Got it now...certainly an interesting concept. Like his inventor's spirit when it comes to trying to improve on the foiling game...some cool ideas.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B4AogTknwr-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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Upon further inspection the simplicity of this device is appealing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmepWFKpUA&feature=youtu.be
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I like that drop in both/nut set to dual track 8)
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Yup, I like it, I'm going to get one.
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Upon further inspection the simplicity of this device is appealing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmepWFKpUA&feature=youtu.be
Um, Should we also be talking about the tail wings this guy is running? crazy shapes.. Makes me want to cut my other Blue tail wing down crazy like those.
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Upon further inspection the simplicity of this device is appealing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmepWFKpUA&feature=youtu.be
Um, Should we also be talking about the tail wings this guy is running? crazy shapes.. Makes me want to cut my other Blue tail wing down crazy like those.
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interesting what shape he did on that rear wing and it looks like a front wing facing backwards but really tiny version. Anymore info on this as I have a maliko tail and still looking for some ideas?
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*BUYER BEWARE*
The holes didn't line up on my plate mount. *** The seller suggested i drill and tap new holes into the TalonXL. But you can't drill new holes the way everything lines up. I would have to weld the existing holes closed ,,, then drill new holes. Or weld the hole and drill new mounting holes in my plate mount. (which i was considering doing but i don't have the time for right now)
So I gave him all the spacing measurements of my adapter and a diagram lay out so he knows exactly why it doesn't work and I asked to return it for a refund,,, no dice. Guess what? He doesn't tell you this when you buy it ,, but ... ** THE SELLER WILL NOT GIVE ANY REFUND **
So for now im out $60 for the TalonXL and $10 shipping. It's too bad, It's really a clever design with just a few bugs to work out. Maybe one day he will learn to deal more honestly with his customers.
Other issues i had which i did not even mention to the seller. The Glue holding the spring in place is sloppy, The excess glue you will damage your board's boxes. So you'll need to sand it flush or ...
* It has stainless steel "Helicoils" inside the aluminum body in 2 of the holes. (corrosion)
* My mount plate i would also have to remove 10mm of metal off the back of the not punch a hole into my board when it folds out. (not a big deal) Just another thing you should be aware of when buying a TalonXL from this guy.
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Try selling on the classifieds, I might buy it.
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Also, please post which foil and plate you have. It’ll start the compatibility thread.
This is a new company, one guy. He’s likely a seat of the pants op and so while I don’t agree with what he did, I totally understand. $50 is groceries to him.
He needs to sell it or get distribution before he ruins his name before the product can get to rev 2.
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I got one, it doesn't fit the boxes on my Flying Dutchman. My fault though. When I expressed an interest the Grant emailed me that it would only fit Chinook or Futures boxes. I don't know what Mark used, but they are too tight. No surprise, they're too tight for some of my fin nuts as well.
I'd don't plan to ask for a refund of course. My mistake. He should make it clear that he doesn't do refunds, which I think is quite fair for small production biz--as long as it's stated up front. He can't really take a returned product and sell it again. The bits are well made, I'll hang onto them and try them later with another board.
I didn't like the fact that they use what looks like 1/4-20 hardware. On my Axis baseplate, which uses 8mm hardware, the countersunk screws are wedged in the very bottom of the plate. I wouldn't have trusted it as-is. I would have had to drill and countersink new holes or use a beveled washer--which I've never seen in stainless steel.