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Title: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: Zooport on November 16, 2019, 03:31:36 AM
I've seen juvenile great whites swim under me at Trails but never anything like this big boy at DOHO.  Was anyone out and saw it, or is this some sort of digital fake?  Water seems too shallow for this to happen.  A buddy and I went out in his boat and followed a small pod of them for a bit outside the harbor, but this has me skeptical.

https://youtu.be/I8Hs1_1WYVg
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: supthecreek on November 16, 2019, 05:50:53 AM
Surfers reactions were all in sync with it happening.

Whales have cruised right past surfers on Cape Cod, in amazingly little water..... I couldn't find the picture of one 10' from surfers from last year.
I looked into a Whale's mouth once... could smell his breath as he surfaced just outside me.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: Zooport on November 16, 2019, 06:15:28 AM
Surfers reactions were all in sync with it happening.

Whales have cruised right past surfers on Cape Cod, in amazingly little water..... I couldn't find the picture of one 10' from surfers from last year.
I looked into a Whale's mouth once... could smell his breath as he surfaced just outside me.

I'll bet he had "fish breath"!
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: eastbound on November 16, 2019, 06:26:08 AM
unrelated question begs: wtf are all the people on surfboards doing in the water?  picnicking?

cuz im nitpicking.....
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: TallDude on November 16, 2019, 04:57:28 PM
I'm on the fence with this one. It does look a little fishy ;D
Usually when a whale comes in that close, it's sick. We had one lurking around the same area and in the harbor about 10 years ago. It had a very sick pink color to it. It had a fish net wrapped around it restricting it's movements. Some specialist from Sea World were able to remove the netting. Unfortunately, I died the next week. It swam under me a number of times. I've seen a lot of Gray Whales up close over the years, and I've only seen pink on the sick one. The one in this video appears to have a little pink to it as well. They will beach themselves when they know they are going to die.   

As far as the surfing, the sad truth is DoHo has looked like that a lot lately. High tide and no swell. That is a hard-up line-up for sure! Tuesday we had a little swell, shoulder high at SanO. Air temp was 50 deg F and water 65 deg. I bought a new 3/2 RipCurl full suit and wore it. I was a little too warm, but fits good.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: Zooport on November 16, 2019, 05:13:56 PM
…. specialist from Sea World were able to remove the netting. Unfortunately, I died the next week. It swam under....

So sorry to hear that you died.  You were such a nice guy.    ;D
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: TallDude on November 16, 2019, 06:29:45 PM
…. specialist from Sea World were able to remove the netting. Unfortunately, I died the next week. It swam under....

So sorry to hear that you died.  You were such a nice guy.    ;D
Well... obviously that wasn't true, because my son just asked me for $20 as he headed out the door ::)
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: Zooport on November 17, 2019, 11:58:12 AM
…. specialist from Sea World were able to remove the netting. Unfortunately, I died the next week. It swam under....

So sorry to hear that you died.  You were such a nice guy.    ;D
Well... obviously that wasn't true, because my son just asked me for $20 as he headed out the door ::)
  LOL!
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: OUTSIDEWAVE on November 25, 2019, 10:35:28 PM
Fake look closely at the tail and ripples looks fake to me.  I have seen them swim close off terramar  the action is different plus th drone angle is too perfect for the turns the whale makes.  IMHO fake
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: supthecreek on November 26, 2019, 04:07:26 AM
Cool pic from last week on Cape Cod.
They do come in close!
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: Tom on November 26, 2019, 09:21:29 AM
I have been standing upright in the water in Baja when whales have been between me and the shore.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: Califoilia on November 26, 2019, 10:21:44 AM
I'm going fakey, fake, fake.

When Wily surfaced, and exhaled...only one person sorta looked over in that direction. If you've ever been in the area when one does that, it's pretty dang loud, and is gonna get your attention...and startle you if you're that close to it, and not looking in that direction to begin with on such a quiet, tranquil, and waveless day.

Also, Shamu is hardly making much of a ripple in the water there for moving as pretty dang fast, and for being as close to the surface as she is.

** Yeah yeah, "Wily" and "Shamu" were Orcas, and that one's not...but only whale names that come to mind at the moment. :D
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: Zooport on November 26, 2019, 12:35:48 PM
Doesn't it seem like there is an area of green water around the whale, follows it?  I think it's a fake.  Pretty well done, though.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: stoneaxe on November 26, 2019, 12:53:06 PM
No way that's fake. More than one surfer responds to it's presence....a couple take off in a panic and almost all look at it at one point or another. the guy that turns when it blows then spins around to watch where it goes. If this is a fake then someone has way to much time on their hands and some good deep fake software.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: RideTheGlide on November 27, 2019, 04:55:38 PM
My son is a professional effects animator. He was working at Blue Sky (Ice Age, Rio, etc) in a contract position on Spies in Disguise, their movie coming out Christmas Day. He was hoping to get on staff, but it didn't pan out yet. I say yet because even thought his contract ended he was told they would likely bring him back in as the next one ramps up if he is available. So he is staying there (NYC area) and freelancing in the meantime. Which comes back to altering live action. Instead of doing effects for kids' movies (his preference), right now he is doing blood splatters for close ups in violent scenes from Starz shows, vomit and a couple of flame scenes, which he enjoyed more, plus some other effects. Pays the rent. Anyway between his education in college and real world professional experience, he can spot a fake unless it has an incredible amount of work put in it.

His thoughts - "if its fake its super well done. i focused on the wakes from the tail and they seem to continue out  and dont cut off." (Millennials have issues with capitalization and punctuation  ;) )

I am not surprised he focused on that; one of his biggest and best received projects in school was a customization script for wave generation in a popular tool. A studio even licensed it from him.

A tangent on some mundane stuff I never realized gets effects. He has made flying papers disperse better; they don't reshoot the scene because the director doesn't like it that a bunch of paper fell in a clump or a vase didn't fly apart dramatically enough when it hit the floor.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: SouthCounty on November 27, 2019, 06:13:21 PM
Fake?
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: PonoBill on November 27, 2019, 06:41:17 PM
I'm going with a real video of a whale swimming, dropped into a video of surfers. The water color for the entire triangle of whale and wake is a different color and the surface has a different texture. Well done, sort of, but I bet at high res it would be easily detectable. the youtube compression algorithms mask a lot of artifacts by introducing so many of their own.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: RideTheGlide on November 28, 2019, 09:03:13 AM
Besides getting a professional opinion it's real (my earlier post), another reason I think it's real is that it's not a ridiculous event that is incredibly rare. It hasn't happened to me, but I have herd and read a number of first hand reports of various marine mammals coming in close for a look when people are in the water. Why go to all that trouble to doctor a video when it's something that isn't extremely unusual? I think the variations in water color are from increased reflection at different angles and changes in the bottom color.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: PonoBill on November 28, 2019, 10:27:10 AM
I've had plenty of close up whale encounters, Chan watched me get hosed down by a humpback on a Southside downwinder that was as close to me as any of those surfers. I can still kind of taste that. I have no professional status, just an opinion. But as to why people go to a lot of trouble to doctor video? That's easy--because they can.
Title: Re: Whale encounter at DOHO? Fake?
Post by: Zooport on November 29, 2019, 06:33:20 PM
Yeah, I think there is a color difference that follows the whale as it swims. 
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