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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: northshore_slider on September 30, 2019, 12:38:38 PM
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Hey folks! First real post here so I'll intro myself first... I just started sup surfing a year ago when I moved to a beach town on the north shore of Massachusetts. I hadn't ever surfed before. I'm 39yo, 5'11", and 190lbs sans wetsuit. When I first moved to town I bought an 11' Vesl sup with the thought that I'd mostly flatwater paddle but then one day I took it out in some 1' waves and was completely hooked. I'm sure I looked like an idiot, but it was beyond fun... I'm sure you all remember your first wave. I haven't flatwater paddled since that day, bought a 3/2 suit so I could surf in the fall, then bought a 5/4 suit so I could surf all winter. HOOKED. This spring I wanted to see if I could take my surfing to the next (beginner) level and I found a used Slingshot Space Pickle 8'6" (31.5" wide and 136l) and it felt like a while new world being on a board that was 70 liters less and 2.5' shorter. :) While it was fun to experiment with and took a few sessions to get use to paddling into a wave MUCH later, I hated it because it was actually more difficult to turn than my 11' cruiser. It felt like I was trying to turn a sheet of plywood. Maybe it was lack of skill on my part, but I think the super wide & beefy tail didn't help. Then I found an older beat-up Starboard Element 9'8" (30" wide and about 150l) and I fell in love immediately. With a more surf-inspired shape and a pintail I felt like the board was doing what I wanted it to. I could turn, I could carve... it was a wonderful feeling to be able to "play" more on the wave face. The Element has taken my skills maybe somewhere towards intermediate level as I can now surf waist to chest high waves pretty comfortably and have been out on a few head high days and was able to pull it off.
So now I'm on the hunt again... I'm looking for something shorter (surprise!)... maybe something in the 8'6" to 9' range. I don't think I want to go wider than 30" because that's what my Element is and I like how it glides and how maneuverable it is - I don't have to shift my rear foot left/right to turn. I don't think I want to go longer than 9' because I want something a bit more aggressive/turny than my Element (which I'm sure I'll continue to ride on choppier/mushier days). I've been lurking on here for a little bit and see a lot of chatter about Sunova and am very curious about the Steeze in 8'10", Speeed in 8'10, Creek in 8'10 or 9'1 (although I wish they had kept the same wood tone as on their other boards - not a fan of the green tint). But I'm also totally open to suggestions from you all. Fanatic? Naish? JP? Another Starby? Cheers y'all... can't wait to start posting more, learning more, and sharing the stoke.
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Well, you're in the right place to try Sunovas. Hook up with Creek. He'll surely be popping in soon. Everything you need right there. He generally has a van full of Sunovas for friends to demo. And I do mean full.
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Hey North I’m with you on the surf stoke. Just a thought… to keep your mind open about shapes wider than 30. The Element is a traditional (old school) shape… long and thin with straight-ish rails. A hybrid shape with some width (e.g., the Creek and other Sunovas, Naish Hokua, Starby Wide Point, Infinity Blur) might be the ticket.
The TC Loose Leaf... I like the video of how it behaves on the face. You can surf like Tom Carroll too...
guaranteed : )
https://shop.surfindustries.com/us/surf/stand-up-paddle-board/surf/tom-carroll-paddle-surf-loose-leaf-v2-cx-sup/
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If I were you I would take a look at jimmy lewis superfrank 8.6x 30 that’s currently on sale for $849. It’s my favorite board so far out of all I tried.
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If I were you I would take a look at jimmy lewis superfrank 8.6x 30 that’s currently on sale for $849. It’s my favorite board so far out of all I tried.
The 8’6 x30.5” (narrow) is coming up at $1749 on their site. If it was $849 I’d buy it right now! Are you seeing that deal somewhere else?
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Hey North I’m with you on the surf stoke. Just a thought… to keep your mind open about shapes wider than 30. The Element is a traditional (old school) shape… long and thin with straight-ish rails. A hybrid shape with some width (e.g., the Creek and other Sunovas, Naish Hokua, Starby Wide Point, Infinity Blur) might be the ticket.
The TC Loose Leaf
Thanks for the input on considering a more modern shape that has some width to it. I’m a bit nervous to go wider so as to lose turning performance, but maybe I’m thinking about it wrong and the tail is really where I need it narrow. I wish surf sups were easy to demo... I’d love to try it out before I fully commit!
The Tom Carroll Loose Leaf looks slick... similar shapes to the Jimmy Lewis Super Frank and Smik Twin Hipster, yes?
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If I were you I would take a look at jimmy lewis superfrank 8.6x 30 that’s currently on sale for $849. It’s my favorite board so far out of all I tried.
The 8’6 x30.5” (narrow) is coming up at $1749 on their site. If it was $849 I’d buy it right now! Are you seeing that deal somewhere else?
It is 849. Just click on the one that has sale label.
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It is 849. Just click on the one that has sale label.
I truly wish you were correct but the price changes when you make your selection (size, color, width). For the narrows... the 7'6 is $824, 8' is $849, 8'6 is $1749. For the wides... the 7'6 is $849, the 8' is $899, and the 8'6 is again $1749. :(
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you are right - I was looking at 8.0 for myself. I would call Jimmy to see what is up - maybe he'll give you a deal.
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you are right - I was looking at 8.0 for myself. I would call Jimmy to see what is up - maybe he'll give you a deal.
well now i'm wondering if i could handle the 8' x 31.5" x 127l... it feels insane to consider jumping down from 9'8 @ 153l to 8' 127l but now that i'm reading up more on them, it sounds like the SF is allows you to go much shorter than you'd think possible?
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Yes, SF is meant to be ridden shorter. You weight about 86kg and board has 127lt that's definitely enough float for someone who is intermediate level. Again depends on the conditions you surf in. I couldn't let go of this board when I tried one on Maui this past August. Waist high to well overhead sets - that board rocked it. Thinking about getting one for myself but have a shitload of stuff already.
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Yes, SF is meant to be ridden shorter. You weight about 86kg and board has 127lt that's definitely enough float for someone who is intermediate level. Again depends on the conditions you surf in. I couldn't let go of this board when I tried one on Maui this past August. Waist high to well overhead sets - that board rocked it. Thinking about getting one for myself but have a shitload of stuff already.
Very interesting. Wish the 8'6 was on sale like the 8' but this definitely has me thinking. As for the conditions I surf in, I try to get out there if it's anywhere above 2' and not a windblown choppy mess. My local spot is typically somewhat small mushy waves (2-3' on average) and usually gifted with offshore winds but when hurricane season rolls in (Sept/Oct) it can be chest/head/OH and if that is combined with light offshore winds I am out there. My ideal waves at this point with my skill level where I feel slightly pushed outta my comfort zone but allows me to actually make some turns and play on the face of the wave is the 3-4' range.
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At 190 an 8'0"X31.5" is just fine. Yes, it will challenge you, but it's not too small.
The price is silly, they must have a bunch of them gathering dust. I'd say get it and work on being comfortable on it. I have an L41 8'8" that I thought I would NEVER be able to ride well. About the tenth time I tried to ride it was at Rincon (the California version, not PR) and I had a surfing day that will forever be imprinted as long as I'm on the right side of the dirt. I'm 235, 6'2" and 72.
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you are right - I was looking at 8.0 for myself. I would call Jimmy to see what is up - maybe he'll give you a deal.
well now i'm wondering if i could handle the 8' x 31.5" x 127l... it feels insane to consider jumping down from 9'8 @ 153l to 8' 127l but now that i'm reading up more on them, it sounds like the SF is allows you to go much shorter than you'd think possible?
As far as float and comfort the 8' x 31.5" would perfectly fine for you even if you have only decent balance.
I'm riding it at 190+ in windy/choppy conditions, not spending too much time in the water. Bought the classic construction but I could swear they sent me the carbon, the damn thing is so light and it can take good beating.
You'll be going back to catching waves MUCH later though, only this board is happy to turn and carve at will.
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I think that either the Flow or the Creek in an 8'10 would fit nicely for what you are looking for. I am going to suggest one other option: the Blue Planet All Good at 8'8" by 31". The width is mostly up forward for stability, with a nicely pulled in tail for performance, similar to the Jimmy Lewis SuperFranks. Although this year's model is only 120 liters because the board is quite thin at 3.75", I believe that the 2020 model is increasing to 4" thick, which brings the volume up to 125 liters and they are supposed to be available this month. It is one of the best boards I have found in terms of combining stability due to the width up forward, with amazing performance on the wave due to the pulled in tail and very thin rails. They will ship from Hawaii to any major airport for free, and the heavier construction is a great price at $1299. My current quiver is an 8'7" Flow for when it is perfectly glassy, a 9' X 31.5" Tabou for when the water is really messy with current or wind, and the All Good for everything in between which is the majority of the time.
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At 190 an 8'0"X31.5" is just fine. Yes, it will challenge you, but it's not too small. The price is silly, they must have a bunch of them gathering dust.
As far as float and comfort the 8' x 31.5" would perfectly fine for you even if you have only decent balance.
I'm riding it at 190+ in windy/choppy conditions, not spending too much time in the water. Bought the classic construction but I could swear they sent me the carbon, the damn thing is so light and it can take good beating. You'll be going back to catching waves MUCH later though, only this board is happy to turn and carve at will.
I think that either the Flow or the Creek in an 8'10 would fit nicely for what you are looking for. I am going to suggest one other option: the Blue Planet All Good at 8'8" by 31". My current quiver is an 8'7" Flow for when it is perfectly glassy, a 9' X 31.5" Tabou for when the water is really messy with current or wind, and the All Good for everything in between which is the majority of the time.
Thanks for the input folks! That's all really helpful. I just got outta the water and it was one of those humbling mornings where things aren't quite clicking... which makes me feel like I should just stick to my 9'8 Element until I have that 100% dialed in and my surf skills honed a bit more... BUUUUT I now have access to a brand new JL SF 8'6 x 32" for $974 or the same board but the carbon version and lightly used for $1150. Is the used carbon board worth the extra $175? Is it going to be stiffer and less forgiving or is the only difference the weight?
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I’m glad you’re pushing pause on buying an 8’ board without first having an oppty to try that length. I’m sure it would float you and be responsive, etc. But speaking for myself, I would want to feel what an 8 foot board feels like to see if that’s for me.
As for JL signature vs carbon constructions, the only real difference is the weight, and the signature (non-carbon) is so light relative to other board manufacturers that I can’t imagine you wouldn’t be happy with it. That plus the weight savings with JL carbon over signature is not that great. It would take on greater significance if you were comparing 14’ boards, but at the 8’5 range, less so. I’ve had JL boards in both. And only the carbon because that was what was available, not a conscious direction. I haven’t noticed one being stiffer, but they were different length boards, so not apples to apples. In theory if you replaced the glass cloth with the same thickness of carbon cloth, yes it would be stiffer, but JL uses thinner carbon cloth to achieve the weight savings. I’ll let others more versed in the material properties to say whether a thinner carbon application would still result in less flex over an 8’5 board. But again, I have never heard anything but praise about how light and strong JL’s normal (non-carbon) construction is. On the other hand, if there's tax on the new and no tax on the used, reducing the price difference, the carbon may help with the re-sale value perception...you know... in case : )
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I’m glad you’re pushing pause on buying an 8’ board without first having an oppty to try that length. I’m sure it would float you and be responsive, etc.
yeaaaa, and i know it's only 6" but in my head the jump from 8'6 to 8' feels out of my league right now
As for JL signature vs carbon constructions, the only real difference is the weight, and the signature (non-carbon) is so light relative to other board manufacturers that I can’t imagine you wouldn’t be happy with it. That plus the weight savings with JL carbon over signature is not that great. It would take on greater significance if you were comparing 14’ boards, but at the 8’5 range, less so. I’ve had JL boards in both. And only the carbon because that was what was available, not a conscious direction. I haven’t noticed one being stiffer, but they were different length boards, so not apples to apples. In theory if you replaced the glass cloth with the same thickness of carbon cloth, yes it would be stiffer, but JL uses thinner carbon cloth to achieve the weight savings. I’ll let others more versed in the material properties to say whether a thinner carbon application would still result in less flex over an 8’5 board. But again, I have never heard anything but praise about how light and strong JL’s normal (non-carbon) construction is. On the other hand, if there's tax on the new and no tax on the used, reducing the price difference, the carbon may help with the re-sale value perception...you know... in case : )
That's awesome input. Thanks so much... I emailed Jimmy to see what the weight diff is between the carbon/non and his thoughts on stiffness. I'll report back if I hear back from him. Looks like either way I'm joining the Super Frank club. Stoked.
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You will love your new board. What concerns the difference in the construction, Carbon is not worth the extra money. Weight difference is only 1-1.5 lbs.
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Hi Slider.... welcome to the Zone and the awesomeness of SUP surfing!
Sorry for the late reply, I have spent the past few days road tripping around New England.... surfing, driving and napping ;D
All I can advise is:
don't get all hung up on numbers, they don't tell an accurate story..... design and surf style matter more.
Some of my favorite boards are bigger, but surf far better than small ones.
What works for one, is totally wrong for another, so try to jump on anything you can borrow and see what suits you.
I simply paddle up to total strangers in the water and ask if I can try their board.
Most people are happy to show folks their board.
As Pono said, I have quite a few boards that I'd be happy to share with you.
Contact me via my email link below my name and I'll give you my phone number so we can talk about boards and SUP in general.
I surfed a spot today that was probably halfway between us, and a good spot for you to demo some boards.
I also have a few that I could sell if one of them works for you.
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Hi Slider.... welcome to the Zone and the awesomeness of SUP surfing!
As Pono said, I have quite a few boards that I'd be happy to share with you.
Awesome! Thanks Rick... I shot you an email just now.
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Buy my board! Might as well give you more options: Been meaning to list an 8'8" x 31" x 4.25" 127L custom Kings Laser. It's a one of a kind board made of Innegra cloth. $$$. Very little use and only used twice by me. Just too damn small for me and always will be, unfortunately. Bought it from mister 9 lives himself- Mr. Big. He's not big at all, but big fun. Can send pics. You can demo it. I'm in RI. $1200 with new Infinity boardbag.
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Buy my board! Might as well give you more options: Been meaning to list an 8'8" x 31" x 4.25" 127L custom Kings Laser. It's a one of a kind board made of Innegra cloth. $$$. Very little use and only used twice by me. Just too damn small for me and always will be, unfortunately. Bought it from mister 9 lives himself- Mr. Big. He's not big at all, but big fun. Can send pics. You can demo it. I'm in RI. $1200 with new Infinity boardbag.
Thanks again for the offer on this board. As we discussed offline, it's just not for me yet. I know I'll regret not buying it in about 5yrs when my skills are up to par for a board like this. I'm sure it'll sell though - this board ^^^ is dang gorgeous folks.
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As for JL signature vs carbon constructions, the only real difference is the weight, and the signature (non-carbon) is so light relative to other board manufacturers that I can’t imagine you wouldn’t be happy with it. That plus the weight savings with JL carbon over signature is not that great. It would take on greater significance if you were comparing 14’ boards, but at the 8’5 range, less so. I’ve had JL boards in both. And only the carbon because that was what was available, not a conscious direction. I haven’t noticed one being stiffer, but they were different length boards, so not apples to apples. In theory if you replaced the glass cloth with the same thickness of carbon cloth, yes it would be stiffer, but JL uses thinner carbon cloth to achieve the weight savings. I’ll let others more versed in the material properties to say whether a thinner carbon application would still result in less flex over an 8’5 board. But again, I have never heard anything but praise about how light and strong JL’s normal (non-carbon) construction is. On the other hand, if there's tax on the new and no tax on the used, reducing the price difference, the carbon may help with the re-sale value perception...you know... in case : )
heard back from Jimmy, the man the myth the legend himself, on the differences:
The carbon boards are slightly lighter. Maybe a pound and a half. Enough so when you lift it up next to a regular version, you can feel it. The carbon versions, I doubt are any stiffer or not so much that you'd be able to feel it. But I think they FEEL different when you ride them than the regular ones. I've only had one carbon board and I loved it. But I'm not sure if it was because it was carbon that I liked it so much. The carbon versions are not stronger. My boards are sandwich construction. The difference in the construction of the regular and the carbon construction boards is this: under the PVC sandwich, on the carbon versions we use a slightly lighter fiberglass. On the OUTSIDE lamination, instead of fiberglass, we use carbon and the carbon on the outside is a lighter weight than the fiberglass that would be used for the regular construction. So what we're doing is using LESS material for the carbon versions. Whether that translates to a weaker board is probably negligible because sandwich construction is strong in it's own right.
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Yeah I love how accessible and interested he is in sharing info.
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Btw I have a JL board on order and chose the non-carbon construction.
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Btw I have a JL board on order and chose the non-carbon construction.
Congrats! What’d ya order?
One more to consider, and I know it’s such a different beast and hard to compare... 2016 Starboard Hyper Nut 8’ x 31” 133L. its looking like it’s that or a Super Frank 8’6 x 32” 140L. Thoughts anyone? Thanks!
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A 9’8 x31.75” x 160 L Destroyer. I like cruisey boards. Or maybe cruisey surfing is what I like! This is like the Striker but with a bit more rocker. Check the Oz JL website. It’s a new size being added to that model. It’s also got a nose like a Super Frank.
The Hyper Nut is so unusual hopefully there will be lots written about how it surfs. Interesting for sure.
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One person's feedback. I tried a Hyper-nut during a surf trip to Mexico. I found it very slow to paddle, slow to catch waves, and slow on the wave; overall not a winner for me. I spent a couple of hours trying to make it work, and then spent the rest of the trip on other boards that worked better for me. I have surfed other boards that were similar in size, for example, my wife's 7'11" X 31 110 liter Fanatic, and it was much better in all regards. at least for me.
Of your two recent choices, I would steer you towards the Super Frank, which is a very nice board.
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One person's feedback. I tried a Hyper-nut during a surf trip to Mexico. I found it very slow to paddle, slow to catch waves, and slow on the wave; overall not a winner for me. I spent a couple of hours trying to make it work, and then spent the rest of the trip on other boards that worked better for me. I have surfed other boards that were similar in size, for example, my wife's 7'11" X 31 110 liter Fanatic, and it was much better in all regards. at least for me.
Of your two recent choices, I would steer you towards the Super Frank, which is a very nice board.
Thanks for the input. I’ve read so many different reviews on the Hyper Nuts, I have to assume the variable is the year and model as I think they’ve changed em so much from year to year and the size has a lot to do with it too. Do you remember the size you paddled? From the reviews I’ve read, unless you’re on the perfectly sized board for your weight and ability it can be a really unpleasant experience. But I think you’re right about the Super Frank being a better bet.
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I don't remember the exact size that I rode in Mexico, it was about 4 years ago. My guess is that it was around 8'4" and around 130 liters. It was plenty stable for me, and I would not have called it difficult or challenging to paddle around the break. I was just shocked at how slow it was trying to paddle onto a wave, and also once on the wave. I know that some people really like them, but it just did not work for me.
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I don't remember the exact size that I rode in Mexico, it was about 4 years ago. My guess is that it was around 8'4" and around 130 liters. It was plenty stable for me, and I would not have called it difficult or challenging to paddle around the break. I was just shocked at how slow it was trying to paddle onto a wave, and also once on the wave. I know that some people really like them, but it just did not work for me.
Indeed. I've been scouring the internet for reviews and a lot of people report the same thing. Case closed on that one.
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Hypernut bombed. The Coke bottle didn't work. Checking what's for sale on Seabreeze is a great resource.
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Hypernut bombed. The Coke bottle didn't work.
Indeed.
Checking what's for sale on Seabreeze is a great resource.
Wish there were other location filters. From what I can tell you can only filter Aussie cities. I'm in good ole New England USA.
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Wasn't suggesting as a resource to buy; rather to see what latest and greatest bombed!
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Own both boards the JL super frank 8x30 lean 115ltr less than 7.7kg non carbon and Starboard hypernut 7'4x30 106ltrs 8.7kg starlight construction 2+1 hybrid sup surf+foil.
I'm a big fan of JL quality and construction and the hypernut is also well made and the construction seems ok for short term use. Both are great boards to surf.
The HN feels narrower in the surf than 30" wide as stated and feels like a 28" wide. As you would expect the HN at 7'4 is soo whippy around the surf but a little unstable standing and waiting for a wave. The weight difference of 1kg in the surf is hardly noticeable.
The reason why I bought the HN because I wanted a one board quiver to do surf and foil and not carrying two boards and JL didn't have a hybrid board available for 2+1 surf foil. I wanted an easy entry into foiling and the HN was great at doing both sup surf and sup foil. I was really surprised at how good the HN on the surf, I was thinking the HN would be horrible due to the looks and shapes but it works and I can see why it has been around in SB range since I can remember.
I sold my JL SF because I'm going down low ltrs and narrower as my surf skill has improved a little.
Currently selling my HN because I moved on to a shorter foil board to 6'5" length.
The is the blurb of HN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg1kOGHOHkA
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I sold my JL SF because I'm going down low ltrs and narrower as my surf skill has improved a little.
I've read up A LOT on the JL SF and have seen your posts. You were on the 8' lean and weigh 80kg and you're downsizing? I'm about to buy the 8'6 wide and am 5'11" and weigh 85kg (sans wetsuit... and I'm in New England so I'm usually wearing a whole lotta neoprene). I think I'm gonna bite the bullet on it and am really hoping it won't feel like I'm standing on a barge, but then again I'm still somewhat of a beginner / advanced beginner so...
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I sold my JL SF because I'm going down low ltrs and narrower as my surf skill has improved a little.
I've read up A LOT on the JL SF and have seen your posts. You were on the 8' lean and weigh 80kg and you're downsizing? I'm about to buy the 8'6 wide and am 5'11" and weigh 85kg (sans wetsuit... and I'm in New England so I'm usually wearing a whole lotta neoprene). I think I'm gonna bite the bullet on it and am really hoping it won't feel like I'm standing on a barge, but then again I'm still somewhat of a beginner / advanced beginner so...
I think the 8'6 lean might be too big for you long term though it might be ok if you only surf once a week or once every two weeks but if you surf say twice or 3x times a week, I would get the 8'x30 lean. I know a dude your weight that surfs a lot and rides the 7’6 x 29.5″x 4"liters 100L.
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I think the 8'6 lean might be too big for you long term though it might be ok if you only surf once a week or once every two weeks but if you surf say twice or 3x times a week, I would get the 8'x30 lean. I know a dude your weight but he surfs a lot and rides the 7’6 x 29.5″x 4"liters 100L.
I'm about to buy a lightly used 8'6 wide carbon from a local guy for 50% of retail price. I try to surf as much as possible, but the conditions at my break only allow once or maybe twice a week. I'm thinking I should look at it as a stepping stone towards lower shorter/lower volume once I progress a bit... just slightly nervous that the volume will hinder my progression, but maybe that's a silly concern?
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I think the 8'6 lean might be too big for you long term though it might be ok if you only surf once a week or once every two weeks but if you surf say twice or 3x times a week, I would get the 8'x30 lean. I know a dude your weight but he surfs a lot and rides the 7’6 x 29.5″x 4"liters 100L.
I'm about to buy a lightly used 8'6 wide carbon from a local guy for 50% of retail price. I try to surf as much as possible, but the conditions at my break only allow once or maybe twice a week. I'm thinking I should look at it as a stepping stone towards lower shorter/lower volume once I progress a bit... just slightly nervous that the volume will hinder my progression, but maybe that's a silly concern?
that's true, take your time and you will know when you are ready to move down ltrs oneday.
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...I found it very slow to paddle, slow to catch waves, and slow on the wave; overall not a winner for me...
Same here, I tried both the 8 and the 8.6 and I believe it was the 2016 model. the 8.6 was much better
but still not a winner in the category. If had to choose between that and the super frank 8.6 the JL would be
a clear winner for me.
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...I found it very slow to paddle, slow to catch waves, and slow on the wave; overall not a winner for me...
Same here, I tried both the 8 and the 8.6 and I believe it was the 2016 model. the 8.6 was much better
but still not a winner in the category. If had to choose between that and the super frank 8.6 the JL would be
a clear winner for me.
nail in the coffin for the poor ole HyperNut - thanks for the input!
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position on the board and on the wave is what the HN to go nuts ;)
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I picked up a sweet Jimmy Lewis Super Frank carbon 8'6 yesterday... it only weighs 13lbs - I could pick it up with my middle finger! I immediately took it out in the nor-easter swell in Rhode Island and was stable on it even with gusty 30mph winds, unreal! Holy moly this things is fast and loose... gonna take some getting use to, but I think we're gonna have a good time together.
Thanks for everyone's advice! Super appreciative of all your input.
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Congrats...Nice choice!
13lbs + 30 MPH winds + strong leash
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great choice northshore_slider ;)
SF is such a fun board, plus the JL is one of the best.
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Glad you are super stoked with your board Slider.... we'll have to meet up some session! ;)