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The Foil Zone => Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP => Topic started by: PonoBill on September 24, 2019, 04:26:05 PM
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I went wing foiling at Swell City today, though it was gusty and weird. My right shoulder got a bit of a zinger--got set up by a big lull, bobbing around holding the wing, and then something in the 30+ range smacked into me and yanked my shoulder with the characteristics little burn that says "you just fucked up, Buckwheat". So yeah, it's aching now. I'll let it burn for a while to get the healing focused and then dose it with magical CBD/THC cream.
Anyway, while I was there kind of bitching about how the 5M Duotone handles (it's quite a bit more of a handful than the 4M Duotone, which is well-behaved) a friend of mine said: "Windance has a 5M in stock." Nuff said I was putting my gear away anyway. Cut a beeline for Windance and sure enough, a lovely F-one fiver. So now I can compare and contrast. Should be fun. The torched shoulder better harden the fuck up, because we're going tomorrow.
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Talk about big swinging d***s ;D Welcome to the club.
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OOOH! Raspberry or Lemon? Tomorrow=Yes!
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Raspberry. No choice. But yes, tomorrow looks good.
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"magical CBD/THC cream" That's a Bingo!, Bill. I am pretty sure I tore a shoulder tendon while holding the paddle on one of my ocean get-offs. We are limited in what Maryland 'THC pharmacies' can sell, but direct application of one of those creams can knock the pain back quite quickly. As a contrarian, I tend to look for the con and need to experience things before I believe them.
Jim
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Woohoo guess who scored a raspberry 5m today.....me me me me
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Now things are getting good! Let's hope the (light) wind gods grace us with a steady 12 MPH :)
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Woohoo guess who scored a raspberry 5m today.....me me me me
I take it Windance came through. They must have received the entire 5M North American shipment.
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"magical CBD/THC cream" That's a Bingo!, Bill. I am pretty sure I tore a shoulder tendon while holding the paddle on one of my ocean get-offs. We are limited in what Maryland 'THC pharmacies' can sell, but direct application of one of those creams can knock the pain back quite quickly. As a contrarian, I tend to look for the con and need to experience things before I believe them.
Jim
I would have been eating this stuff 50 years ago, but yup, it works well, and anyway, it tastes like axle grease on toast.
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Found it in Florida
Also heard there is a 6m coming
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you guys are subsidizing this industry!!
r and d's gotta be supported.....
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Also heard there is a 6m coming
This is the 6 Meter (next post down)...and I want it.
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https://www.facebook.com/fonekites/videos/2320143114966539/
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Yup, not a whitecap in sight. Like you and Chan today. I couldn't tell that you were up and foiing--all the wind was across the river, but from the way you were moving in what looked like dead calm you obviously were. Downright weird to see.
I inflated the 5M Swing and played with it on the grass, in the little bit of wind there was. It was shocking how calm the wing is, I'm used to the Duotone squiriming around. My 5M Duotone is kind of baggy even when it's outhauled a lot. The Swing is not--very smoothly winglike. Of course it's never been stretched with 235 pounds of dead weight in a 30mph gust, so there's that. It's going to take a bit to get used to the handles instead of a mast, especially with the front hand placement being so far back on the wing. I'm used to being close to the leading edge on the Duotone boom.
So far, I think I'm liking this wing a lot. Now I just need some wind.
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Alot of dealers have them “coming in” in the next month or so. Who knows. I found a 4.2 at Green Hat kiteboarding in NJ. This will he my travel wing as Duotone too big for a backpack
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It was shocking how calm the wing is, I'm used to the Duotone squiriming around.
Yeah, my feeling too. I spent 2 days riding a friends 5m Swing. My first impression was, huh, did the wind just get more steady, or was it the wing.
In the end, I felt the Swing was like a modern windsurf sail, with a gust absorbing twisting leach. While the Ozone, was more like an older windsurf sail with tight leach, that lets you feel every gust.
Smooth won out.
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Alot of dealers have them “coming in” in the next month or so.
Yeah, that’s the problem...they’ve been telling this lie all summer. I’m not giving anyone an order without stock in hand.
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Yup, not a whitecap in sight. Like you and Chan today. I couldn't tell that you were up and foiing--all the wind was across the river, but from the way you were moving in what looked like dead calm you obviously were. Downright weird to see.
What an awesome feeling. We were at Luhr Jensen around 11:30. We started in light but steady wind. Pretty much the same 10-15 MPH which we have been loving and it was super fun. Then it started to gradually let up. The lulls got so light that not only could we not foil but we were just standing nearly still in places holding the wings up. I am guessing 4-5 MPH. But then these tiny lifts would come through and lift us back up again. These also seemed very light...but it was working. What a rush. Stronger wind is coming so we will hopefully get more tomorrow and Friday.
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I flew the 5M swing wing today with Admin and Chan at Stevenson. Three raspberry wings were the only thing on the water. The parking lot was empty except for us. The wind was pretty light, but as soon as I got up and moving I was able to get on the foil--on a starboard tack!! The wing felt very stable, but my control was hampered by the wimpy handles. In a nutshell my assessment is: Love the wing, hate the handles. They really suck. The smaller Duotone wings have a nice shape and handle well, but the big 5M bags like crazy with my weight, and that makes it a bear to fly well. In a gust, it tacos a lot, and for some reason that makes it round up.
By comparison, the F-one holds it's shape, and goes where you point it. But since the handles are wobbling all over, where you point it is random.
For me the most telling point that tips me toward the F-one in large sizes is my shoulders. We did a pretty long session--went until the wind pooped out as the rain got heavier. Did I mention the rain and the cold? I tried a lot of things that are challenging for me. As the wind weakened I was up on the foil less often so the pressure on my arms and shoulders was stronger (more drag). My shoulders a fine. Two days before I went on my 5M duotone and my shoulders got toasted. Stronger wind, but still.
I'm going to add a pseudo mast and see how that works. It won't be tight to the leading edge like the Duotone is (unless I go a little crazy) but it might give me a more stable grip. I'm also tempted to add a center web to the Duotone to see if it will maintain the shape better. I'll talk to Airtime about it. The web could attach to the mast in a few places without getting in the way of grip. Absent that I might sell the 5M Duotone and committ to the F-one.
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Here's try number one. As I said, I like the general characteristics of the F-one wing, but I hate the wimpy handles that limit control. This pseudo-boom is an experiment that might be sufficient as it is. I have a design in mind for inserts that fit tightly under the handles with Velcro attachments at each end, and probably a set of Velcro loops to connect the boom to the harness loops to pull the boom close. That would permit the wing to be deflated to minimal size. For now, this is it, and statically, in the parking lot of my shop, it feels pretty good. And yes, I know I can make a paddle blade to snap onto the shaft if/when I make it removable.
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I redid the boom with a t-handle in front, since I had one handy. More zip ties and a little time.
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I think you are messing with one of the Swings best features. Perfect Balance!
Anyway, I’m a believer in the magic low end. 12mph was the best wind today. I was pumping onto foil in that. Even pumped onto foil going the hard way. The Swing is so efficient, it’s deceiving.
Anyone got a 3.5m in the shop For Sale? Message me if you do. Don’t waste my time saying we can order you one.
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I don't think I've messed with that, though I have more options. The handles are still where they were. I didn't go today, it was too funky in town and I didn't feel like driving. Too many geek things to do anyway, and I have to make Strogonoff for Sunday. It takes two days to get the stuff ready to assemble. Braising the short ribs and making the mushroom sauce today. But I digress.
Anyway, I played with it on the grass. It feels great. I'm still generally putting my hands where the handles are, but now they're firm. Really firm--more than what I expected. I can also grab ahead and behind of the handles, and there's some good added power there. We'll see. It's a chunk of carbon tubing from a broken paddle and some zip ties.
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Dwight, if you don't mind me asking, what do you weigh in order to get flying in 12mph wind on the 5M Swing?
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Dwight, if you don't mind me asking, what do you weigh in order to get flying in 12mph wind on the 5M Swing?
187 lbs. Axis 1020 2000 sq cm wing
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Thanks. The 5M Swing must be way more powerful than the 5M Duotone. I'm 170 riding a 2500cm Gong XXL wing and couldn't get flying with the 5M Duotone in under 20-22mph. Either that or I need to perfect pumping onto the foil :D
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Thanks. The 5M Swing must be way more powerful than the 5M Duotone. I'm 170 riding a 2500cm Gong XXL wing and couldn't get flying with the 5M Duotone in under 20-22mph. Either that or I need to perfect pumping onto the foil :D
Duotone has power. It’s you, not the Duotone. I had a 5m Duotone.
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It takes time to master using lighter wind. I'm 235# and I can get up on the 5M Duotone in 15-20 by popping up on the gusts. Once you're up, you're gold until you screw up. The Duotone has plenty of grunt, it's just a little hard to keep the power from wandering around. At least it is on mine.
The best light air technique I've found so far is to head slightly upwind to get the best mix of windspeed and wing angle so you can pick up some board speed. Look for a bump, turn a little downwind to follow it and shove the board forward with your feet as you turn. Pump the board and wing hard and fast. I'm good for about ten seconds of that so if I miss I need to reset and head back upwind to gain speed. I generally get up on the second try. Once you're up, turn a little upwind to gain some power, trim the board, and pump to get some height. Then do whatever it is you're up to.
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Thanks. The 5M Swing must be way more powerful than the 5M Duotone. I'm 170 riding a 2500cm Gong XXL wing and couldn't get flying with the 5M Duotone in under 20-22mph. Either that or I need to perfect pumping onto the foil :D
Duotone has power. It’s you, not the Duotone. I had a 5m Duotone.
So how does the 5 Swing compare to the 5 Duotone? Power , do you miss the boom, or any other thoughts?
I owned a Gong XXL wing and have an Axis S1020 , I only paddled with these foils, but the Gong is much harder to get up to speed and flying in my experience.
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Thanks. The 5M Swing must be way more powerful than the 5M Duotone. I'm 170 riding a 2500cm Gong XXL wing and couldn't get flying with the 5M Duotone in under 20-22mph. Either that or I need to perfect pumping onto the foil :D
Rasta, we are basically the same weight. On the Swings the 20-22 MPH is well into 3.5 territory. Steady 12 MPH is the perfect speed for the 5 (10-15). That is requiring only minimal surface pumping and a couple in the air. Sometimes a single compression and release cycle will lift you off in that wind. The low end capability will have you out in super light winds. It is an addicting part of the sport. When you are out there you will get to test the very low end of the range.
When it glasses off and then the smallest puff comes through you will think, "probably not, but what the hell". When you pump for a few of those and start foiling out on some you will likely laugh out loud. I know I did. In wind that light is such a soft sensation. That is when the soaring feeling is in full effect for me. This is on the Axis 1020 with the long (standard) fuselage and 500 tail.
I am with Dwight when it comes to adding weight, but then again, I dislike the way a boom feels on a wing so there is that.
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So how does the 5 Swing compare to the 5 Duotone? Power , do you miss the boom, or any other thoughts?
I owned a Gong XXL wing and have an Axis S1020 , I only paddled with these foils, but the Gong is much harder to get up to speed and flying in my experience.
I do not miss the boom. I WAS a hard core boom only guy. There are advantages to handles. Lighter, better balanced wings, that can float in the air more neutrally. Plus, the wonderful smaller pack up issue. Then you’ve got automatic hand placement in the right, balanced spot every time. The two wings fly different. The Swing feeling more refined and better behaved throughout the wind range.
The Axis 1020 is a secret weapon for winging! So easy ;D. The short fuselage pumps into the air with less skill and effort. The standard (longer) fuselage is more beginner friendly to foot placement errors.
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The Axis 1020 is a secret weapon for winging! So easy ;D
Incredible, right? It is like an on switch for foiling. The 920 is awesome as well.
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The pack up issue leads me to think I need to step it up on the way I really want to add a boom. The handles are way too floppy for me to be happy with them. If nothing else the parts I'm going to make will stiffen the handles. The entire assembly will add a few hundred grams, maybe 7 ounces for those of you that like English measure which the English don't use anymore.
I made some carbon strips yesterday that will fit inside webbing. The strips are long enough to fully tighten the wobbly handles. They will have velcro attachments sewn to them that let them tightly grip the boom. I'll also loop velcro straps through the harness attachments to further secure the boom. Pretty simple, very light, quick to attach/detach and if I decide to dispense with the boom (unlikely) I can shorten the velcro and use the adapters to just tighten up the floppy handles.
I also see a harness in my future. Lots of people have told me how unnecessary they are, and a few (basically Mark Ribkoff) tell me I should absolutely use one. Most of the people who tell me they are unnecessary weigh about the same as one of my legs. When I'm using a 4M they are using a 2M. They're supporting 100 pounds with shoulders that have never seen a scalpel. I'm supporting 235# with shoulders that have been carved more often than a Thanksgiving turkey. The harness attachment points on the F-One look to be well placed, but anyone who has ever used a harness knows tuning the location is critical to getting a neutral connection.
I agree wholeheartedly about the Axis 1020. I have the long fuselage and the standard. I use the standard after one session with the long--I couldn't pump it at all. I should have bought the short, an error I'll soon correct. I'm using the 440 tail and it feels like I could go smaller and still have plenty of control and stability. Shorter fuse might be better than smaller wing.
The GL240 GoFoil wing is equally good for stability but I've had some challenges getting it to stop turning once I get it started. Certainly not the wing's fault, but the 1020 seems to compensate better for my limited foiling skills.
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Pono, To stiffen the handles what about some thick rubber coated electrical wiring which would bend to match the arc of the handles resulting in them being more rigid? If you were to cut a slice at the end of the handle you could push the wire in and then sew up the cut.
Far from being an engineer, and never even seen one of the Swing handles, but was wondering.
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I considered aluminum, but decided I want the rigidity of carbon.
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This Swing generates more speed, with less pull on the arms. My tracking app even agreed with me. Higher speeds recorded. While the Gong handles are more comfortable, everything else is perfection.
I don’t miss a harness either. My legs tire before my arms.
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I wanted to get a 5.0 Swing but perhaps I should wait for the 6.0
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I wanted to get a 5.0 Swing but perhaps I should wait for the 6.0
For my weight that wind chart would need to shift the SIZE (M2) row to the right one full tick. For Chan it would be at least 2 full ticks. That is what makes these charts so tricky to put out.
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I wanted to get a 5.0 Swing but perhaps I should wait for the 6.0
For my weight that wind chart would need to shift the SIZE (M2) row to the right one full tick. For Chan it would be at least 2 full ticks. That is what makes these charts so tricky to put out.
I agree with Admin.
This may not work for everyone though. My buddy struggles to get on foil with everything. He’s going to try my 7m Gong today. I may sell it to him.
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That looks like the chart for me--235#.
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Spent 3.5 hours yesterday trying to get up on foil with my 5m Swing in 20-25 mph winds to no avail. And that was after a two hour kitefoil session. Physically unable to get out of bed. But I have my credit card in hand and gonna buy a massive wing. I refuse to let this sport get the better of me!! Has anyone tried the F-One Gravity 2200cm2 foil? Is it even out yet? Considering my options...
Dwight- If your friend doesn't like the 7m and you want it gone I know a guy....
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Spent 3.5 hours yesterday trying to get up on foil with my 5m Swing in 20-25 mph winds to no avail. And that was after a two hour kitefoil session. Physically unable to get out of bed. But I have my credit card in hand and gonna buy a massive wing. I refuse to let this sport get the better of me!! Has anyone tried the F-One Gravity 2200cm2 foil? Is it even out yet? Considering my options...
Dwight- If your friend doesn't like the 7m and you want it gone I know a guy....
Hi cnski,
How heavy are you and what is your foil setup?
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Spent 3.5 hours yesterday trying to get up on foil with my 5m Swing in 20-25 mph winds to no avail.
The foil is likely the issue, not the Swing. My buddy finally got sick and tired of struggling and waiting on the foil brand he rides for, to make a bigger wing. So he cut, glassed, and stretched one of his, to make a massive wing. At least 2500 sq cm maybe 2800 sq cm. He windsurf foiled like a hero for the first time riding it. He’s a good kite foiler, just too heavy for all the wind sports that don’t have tons of power.
So today I expect him to rip with 7m Gong and his massive home modified foil.
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I have a trashed 1020 Axis I'm going to do the same thing with. Also plan to add a little dihedral to make it a sort of gullwing.
But yeah, cnski, likely your foil wing. I started on a GoFoil M280 and I'd still be using it if the GL240 and the Axis hadn't come along. I bought the Axis because I planned to make a whole bunch of plywood wings this summer so I could master foil downwinding and I figured the Axis fuselage was the best attachment method for that. Then I got hooked on wingfoiling and discovered the Azis 1020 works great for that.
Unless you weigh a lot more than 235# I'd say the 5M Swing isn't the problem. I've had good sessions well under 20mph as long as there are occasional gusts above 20 to get my fat ass off the water. 20-25 is gold.
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I hope these companies get some heavy riders as testers for future equipment. Great seeing Kai and the grom's ripping on small boards and wings but unless we're all planning to move to Maui, we need more low wind equipment. I have a 5 swing and love it, my 4 wasp, I think I've had maybe one day where it was windy enough for me to enjoy it. If the gong 7 was designed like the swing, I'd probly be on it almost all the time.
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Pono, Admin, & Dwight - what is it about the Axis 1020 that makes it so great for wing foiling? After hearing your rave reviews I'm wondering if I should've gone with that foil setup over my Gong XXL setup...even though the Gong front wing is 2,500cm surface area while the Axis 1020 is closer to 2,000. Do you think that I would get up and flying in less wind with the Axis wing, even though it's smaller? Disclaimer - I'm about 175 lbs with all gear on. I will admit that my Gong isn't very easy to pump, but I have nothing to compare it to because it's the only foil setup I've ridden.
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I've got a 3M and a 4M duotone. Here in the Gorge, there were plenty of days that the 3 was all I needed and a bit more, but that's the Gorge. It's always been a bit of a problem that a lot of gear gets designed in Hood River and Maui. I think its a big part of the reason that windsurfing left the beginners behind so quickly. Now that I have two fives it's like all I own is a hammer. I just want to pound nails, mostly because when the wind is right for a 5 the river doesn't look like the opening scene from "Victory at Sea".
I might be dating myself. TV show? In black and white? Class, class, Bueller? Anyone?
Now that Admin and Chan have big wings they only want 10-15 and are actively driving away from spots showing solid whitecaps. Chan gets up and foiling when I can't even feel a breeze and then rips all the way across the river. I'd need that Gong 9.
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Rasta, my only experience is GoFoil and Axis. The big M280 and even the M200 GoFoil wing will get me up with almost no speed, but if you push its upper speed limit it's very tricky to ride--wants to porpoise, pops out of the water easily. People tell me it's better with the Kai tail but that hasn't been my experience.
The Axis 1020 has less lift at the same speed but it's less draggy, so I can get up to higher speed with the same wind. The GoFoil leaps out of the water, the Axis comes up in a very controlled fashion. I can get the Axis going a lot faster than I want to go without losing control. On the rare occasions when I get the little safety guy screaming in my ear to STFU I have reached some ridiculous speeds without losing control. I'm not sure that's a benefit, but it seems like it.
It's hard to say if you'd do better with it at this point, but I think I've progressed faster having the Axis as well as the GoFoil than I would without it.
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I weigh about 245 lbs. right now I think. It's the sad truth. I know the foil wing is the problem. I was trying out the new MONO XL wing from Delta. It's 1880cm2. Definately not enough lift but I came close a couple times. I agree and don't think the 5m Swing is the issue. I do a ton of kitefoiling with the Delta MONO wing (1500cm) and can foil in some incredibly light wind with that setup and a 12m ultralight foil kite. I have foiling foot transitions down. The whole "if you're a good kitefoiler you can wingfoil in one day" didn't hold true for me. George from Delta is my neighbor and I test lots of different foils for him. He doesn't have a massive wing yet. He will likely need to design a different fuselage to support a 2000cm + wing. This probably won't happen until this winter so I think I'm in the market for a new foil.
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Once you're up you'll be golden. And the little dance required to get up in lighter wind comes easier. I kind of automatically turn downwind and shove my feet forward as soon as I get some speed. That odd little move which is impossible to really describe gets the board partly off the water for a second and lets me start really pumping both the wing and sail. I actually got fully up on my foil on a starboard tack with just that movement. Shocked the shit out of me.
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Hi cnski,
I am all but certain that your lift combination is just insufficient. When you feel the correct balance of wing and foil lift everything gets much easier. Knowing what that is going to be is the hard part :). Consider that you are more than twice Chan's weight and she is on the same size (or larger) front foil wing than you (area wise). I am 30% lighter than you and am using a larger foil in light wind and the same air wing.
I think you are going to need a foil with more lift. That alone may do it (certainly for 20-25) but you may also need more wing for the lightest days. I don't think it is best to try to compensate for too small on one by too large on the other. We all tried to carry a lot of wing to make up for some small water foils that we wanted to ride. As newer riders that was just punishing. It is way easier to get lift from a substantial (but well behaved) foil and a wing that is in its range. I have a few smaller Axis foils and I like them all so far with enough wind but it does take noticeably more to get some flying and below a certain point it is a flat out "no". Change to a larger wing and it is go time again. :)
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My buddy took a Neil Pryde L wing and chopped it two places and stretched it. No real glassing expertise and it works insane! I rode it today. He got tired of waiting on brands to release bigger wings.
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Pono, Admin, & Dwight - what is it about the Axis 1020 that makes it so great for wing foiling? After hearing your rave reviews I'm wondering if I should've gone with that foil setup over my Gong XXL setup...even though the Gong front wing is 2,500cm surface area while the Axis 1020 is closer to 2,000. Do you think that I would get up and flying in less wind with the Axis wing, even though it's smaller? Disclaimer - I'm about 175 lbs with all gear on. I will admit that my Gong isn't very easy to pump, but I have nothing to compare it to because it's the only foil setup I've ridden.
These foils have brought what I imagined foiling would be like before I started. I had pictured a smooth experience. Gain some speed, compress decompress a bit, and take off smoothly. Yeah right! We were getting bucked all over the place. Rearing up, finding it really hard or impossible to trim. We made progress but it was fighting us all the way. We tried all kinds of foot positions, postures, speeds, etc. Then we tried these foils. They do what you think they should. That is the best way I can put it. They lift smoothly, trim easily and pump like you would expect. No more flappy bird, wing pumping like a madman. A pump or two and you are usually good. At 175 lbs we are very close in weight. The 1020 with a 5.0 will get you down to 10-15 MPH for sure and possibly lighter. If Axis put out a 1120 that was 2200 sq I would buy it just to see how light it would take me. Like Bill said, Chan, who is ~115/120 lbs can jump on my 5.0 and 1020 and go in wind that may be 6-8 MPH. Cattle farts will get her foiling on that setup. I would like to try that (6-8 MPH, not cattle farts) but if I were only going to have one foil at our size, no way would it be 2500. It would be the 1020.
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No real glassing experience my dying ass. That is gorgeous carbon. If I get my wing looking that good I'm bombing the internet with it. I did some of the slicing today.
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No real glassing experience my dying ass.
I told him how to do it. He went off and came back with that! He’s a handy guy.
BTW, got my 3.5m Swing shipping notice ;D ;D ;D
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Riding today with the 5m Swing.
I tested the wing leash attached to the harness line point. It was so much better like that. In the first part of the video the leash is attached to the nose.
I’m on the 1000 Axis wing.
https://youtu.be/wW-fYJvxyvw
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Version two of my Swing Boom. Stiffens the handles up really nicely. I might just use the stiffeners. I'm going to call them "Stiffies" continuing the proud tradition of Alan's Starfish.
I want to be able to pack the wing easily. Tubular webbing with a carbon strip inside. I bagged up a 6"X3" rectangle with ten layers of carbon and cut the strips with my bandsaw. Sewed velcro tie strips on and hot glued the ends to keep the strips from shifting. The goop on the webbing is hot glue--I did them backwards on the first try. Duh.
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Stiffies in place
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Boom! We be boomed.
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Isn't that a pretty wing?
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Riding today with the 5m Swing.
I tested the wing leash attached to the harness line point. It was so much better like that. In the first part of the video the leash is attached to the nose.
I’m on the 1000 Axis wing.
https://youtu.be/wW-fYJvxyvw
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You are looking super solid on that setup! What time of day were you out?
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What time of day were you out?
Noon to 4pm
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It does make you wonder why somebody didn’t make their handles with 6” long carbon tubes inside the webbing handles. It seems so obvious the first time you try one.
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Hey Dwight, by running the leash from handle to waist, does it at all act like a harness line making it a little easier on the arms..or could it?
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It does make you wonder why somebody didn’t make their handles with 6” long carbon tubes inside the webbing handles. It seems so obvious the first time you try one.
SPG uses hard plastic inside their handles. It is flat, not tubular but it is very nice. That is the best handle of the (now 6) brands that I have held. I could see a round tube or an oval inside the webbing being nicer again. Future refinements.
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Boss, They are petty easy to make... use 1/2 tube, however, so you don't lump the top.
Jim
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Boss, They are petty easy to make... use 1/2 tube, however, so you don't lump the top.
Jim
Very slick Jim. I need me some wetstuff handles for my F-One. Would you care to make some?
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Jim, did you use Velcro to install those handles?
I see a market for handle wraps.
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Hey Dwight, by running the leash from handle to waist, does it at all act like a harness line making it a little easier on the arms..or could it?
No, mine is just a leash. There is a harness line setup on the Swing. I don’t think I need it, yet anyway.
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Hey Dwight, by running the leash from handle to waist, does it at all act like a harness line making it a little easier on the arms..or could it?
No, mine is just a leash. There is a harness line setup on the Swing. I don’t think I need it, yet anyway.
Ok thanks..with waist leash and harness lines and harness, that’s a lot of stuff, so was thinking of way the leash could also act like harness lines eliminating the need for both.
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They are petty easy to make... use 1/2 tube, however, so you don't lump the top.
Hi Jim,
Are you using a carbon tube or a plastic tube? Is it inside the original handle or around it? This looks pretty good https://www.onlinemetals.com/en/buy/carbon-fiber/0-125-x-0-5-carbon-fiber-rectangle-bar-33-msi-carbon-pultruded-matte-finish-unidirectional/pid/14561?CAWELAID=120293320000206735&CATARGETID=120293320000270459&CADevice=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgb7F-p775AIVdyCtBh0PTAatEAYYAyABEgJzg_D_BwE
I am sure that Airtime could sew that in.
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That would be pretty easy to make. I made my stiffies so the are just about the maximum length that can fit under the handle. This brings the handle closer to the strut and stiffens the handle to strut connection. If you really wanted a round handle you could put a slit tube around the existing handle and wrap it like footstraps are done. It would get bulky in a hurry though.
I cant see from the pictures exactly what Wetstuff did.
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No, Boss... I used simple, PEX plumbing tube. I have kite-carbon tubes, but they are small. I don't think I would like: cutting carbon with a saw and potentially breaking it. A 12" section of PEX cut in half only comes in at .55oz/16g and will not shatter.
These simply do a full wrap making a rounded topside and a 'roundish' underside with full velcro. It takes a bit of squeeing, but I can get the shape I am after. I have not put this under a lot of pull to see if it distorts. (none noted in use so far) This non-slip is ~v.4. (twisted to show the top in a photo)
Jim
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Today’s wind was very uncomfortable. I need my 3.5m. FedEx please drive faster.
Meanwhile my buddy using my old Gong 7m, needed every bit of those 7 meters today, and is starting to get it figured out. He’s only 15 lbs heavier than me.
So...moral of the story....my wind range might not be your wind range. Only you can figure it out.
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I tried Stiffy McBoomBoom (hey, it's better than Boaty McBoatface) today in some pitiful east wind. I couldn't quite get to my feet--a few gusts came close, but no--so I just slowly knee sailed to the Oregon side, then turned around and slowly sailed back. Okay, we're done here. Admin hit the water first and actually got enough wind to foil across once and I guess half the way back. And then that was it for foiling. When it's light, even just one or two MPH makes a big difference. I could have had some fun with a Gong 9 maybe, but 5M? Nope.
Stiffy was actually kind of a lifesaver. I would have had a nasty time in that light wind without some additional balanced places to hang on to. Most of the time I could make my way upwind by one-handing the boom between the front and first handle and it worked perfectly. I like the precise control I have now, and the T handle turns out to be pretty cool too. I can easily flip the wing holding the T and just twisting. I'm liking it even more than I expected to.
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It is supposed to turn West tomorrow for 3 days. YUP.