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Title: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Admin on September 15, 2019, 06:57:51 AM

Robert at Blue Planet put together this really nice video with some amazing footage and great tips.  I wish that I had this a few months ago :)

https://youtu.be/ZftCDe4r0oY

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: ninja tuna on September 15, 2019, 07:42:45 AM

Thanks admin,

Great video Robert

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Caribsurf on September 15, 2019, 07:54:15 AM

Great video, answered a lot of questions with clear and easy to see and understand answers.  Wish we had those same conditions every day...what a great place to wingsurf!

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Wetstuff on September 15, 2019, 09:50:45 AM

Robert also did a really good video on the selection of a foil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mAMdSzfX7g

Jim

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: toejammer2 on September 15, 2019, 12:27:20 PM

Always enjoy watching your videos Robert. Thanks!
I remember you mentioning a shorter foil mast for those of us who  surf foil in shallower water. Any news?
Cheers

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: JEG on September 15, 2019, 04:40:32 PM

nice find Admin, thanks to Robert at blueplanet for the great video.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: supfoo on September 17, 2019, 06:58:22 PM

Great video Robert, not many places in the world with that setup, looks perfect for it!
What was the wind blowing that day?

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Chan on September 25, 2019, 04:15:32 PM

Nice vid.  Making it look easy Robert.  Do you have any tips or videos on flying through transitions?  I'm still struggling with stalling during tacks and jibes and any advice is appreciated. 

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 25, 2019, 04:46:46 PM

Quote from: Chan on September 25, 2019, 04:15:32 PM

Nice vid.  Making it look easy Robert.  Do you have any tips or videos on flying through transitions.  I'm still struggling with stalling during tacks and jibes.

Crank a harder jibe. Foils gain energy when cranking turns. Wide jibes bad.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Chan on September 25, 2019, 04:53:43 PM

Thanks DW.  I'm having an issue with the nose of my board plowing in and submerging when transitioning to downwind during the jibe.  Have you found that a tighter turn, maybe switching hands sooner or carving a tighter radius, helps?

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: flkiter on September 25, 2019, 05:51:16 PM

I like to shoot down wind a bit in the turns. You can start pumping the foil and work the turn without the wing's power to get the timing. Speed is your friend, and pumping the wing and foil will keep you going. Rely more on the foil power over the wings pull. I found it harder turning in flat water, in the ocean swell you can catch some swell and ride it forever with a big foil. There's a bunch of techniques and styles for turning so you have to try a few different things and see what works for you. Flat water will require a faster turn to keep the wind in the wing.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 25, 2019, 05:59:51 PM

Quote from: Chan on September 25, 2019, 04:53:43 PM

Thanks DW.  I'm having an issue with the nose of my board plowing in and submerging when transitioning to downwind during the jibe.  Have you found that a tighter turn, maybe switching hands sooner or carving a tighter radius, helps?

Beginners usually blow the wing out on a jibe. You must be, being extra cautious going into the jibe.

You should fly past downwind no issue. Go in high and fast, but wing still buried safely. Come out low. You have plenty of time deal with the hand switch on the Swing, because the foil will hover at near zero speed on the exit of the jibe. You can grab power back in the Swing before you touch down. The hand switch will be after you’re already through the jibe.

Yes, crank it tighter and go in fast. It’s fun. Forget about the Swing the first time you try it.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: blueplanetsurf on November 23, 2019, 11:49:47 AM

We just posted a new "How to Wingfoil" video covering the jibe step by step:

https://youtu.be/anVA1HoN3V8

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: JEG on November 24, 2019, 03:25:37 PM

thanks as always Robert BP.
I'm starting to itch the wing sensation as I see no paddle required to catch those unridden bumps at the back.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Admin on November 28, 2019, 11:25:03 AM

Hi Robert,  It looks like you may have switched to straps.  Did you try these with the wing yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFMLIYmGczw

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Admin on December 01, 2019, 04:52:08 AM

Geez, this is outstanding.  Cruising these ground swells on the outside looks like heaven.  Did you say what size foil you were on?  I am stoked to hear about your progress on the prone board.  Please post video of you guys working through that.  It will be super helpful to the rest of us who are interested in that. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoFg5iaIk2w

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 01, 2019, 07:11:24 AM

Nice video. You have to switch feet every once in awhile, or your legs do burn out. Same deal with kite foiling. Flkiter switches his feet so fast, you don’t even see it happen.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: blueplanetsurf on December 01, 2019, 09:53:38 AM

Thank you for posting our latest video admin, I'm stoked you enjoy the videos.  I will probably try using my 4'10 prone foil board today and will let you know how it goes.
I have not tried the foothooks with the wing yet, I just went straight to using straps but I'm sure they would work great and they allow for good control without being as restrictive as straps.
https://www.blueplanetsurf.com/eva-foil-foot-hook-w-3m-adhesive-each.html

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Post by: PonoBill on December 01, 2019, 10:37:16 AM

Cool video, very helpful. I'm working hard on switchfoot jibes. I tried doing heel/toe but it kills my bad knee.

I've got a sleazy cheater way of doing 3/4 of a foiling jibe. I start into the jibe with good speed. turn fairly hard downwind and start the wing transition as soon as I move through the eye of the wind, then I bring my back foot forward and try to slide my front foot back. The board comes off the foil, I hop to switchfoot and try to use the remaining speed to get back up again. It almost works most times and I actually nailed a full foiling jibe yesterday but I'm not sure how the hell I did it.

I still suck at foiling on the starboard tack. I need a lot more wind to get up, and once I'm up my control is marginal but improving. For some reason, the board tends to wheelie more on the starboard tack. Port tack I'm instantly up in the same amount of wind and I can make the board go wherever I want. I'm certain this is 90 percent in my head. When I get going fast on starboard tacks I feel like I'm going out of control and often crash. On a port tack, I'm happiest when the board is ripping like stink, way faster than my nervous nellie tightness going starboard.

The process of learning this stuff is so much fun, I'm reminded of the first few years of windsurfing. I realize I should be more patient, it took me years to learn to windsurf well, I'm frustrated when this stuff doesn't just come to me instantly, as it does to the kids and the really good foilers here on Maui. Alex looks like he's been doing it all his life, but I know he's been at it less time than I have. But every day is a little progression. So much fun.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Admin on December 01, 2019, 12:08:28 PM

Quote from: blueplanetsurf on December 01, 2019, 09:53:38 AM

I have not tried the foothooks with the wing yet, I just went straight to using straps

Are both of your footstraps on the far side of the centerline?

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: JEG on December 01, 2019, 12:40:20 PM

Quote from: Admin on December 01, 2019, 04:52:08 AM

Geez, this is outstanding.  Cruising these ground swells on the outside looks like heaven.  Did you say what size foil you were on?  I am stoked to hear about your progress on the prone board.  Please post video of you guys working through that.  It will be super helpful to the rest of us who are interested in that. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoFg5iaIk2w

thanks for posting admin and great work as always from your team blueplanetsurf robert  8)

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: flkiter on December 01, 2019, 03:21:15 PM

I'm finding I use two techniques, a pump down, switch feet technique and a speed load the foil style. I'm coming from years of kite foiling with a 20 liter or smaller board so I'm used to having to do stuff quickly but with the sup and prone foil boards, it's like slow motion with regards to the board and foils reaction time. If you pump the board down then it'll come back slowly giving you time to switch your feet. Think of the pump down is you throwing the nose down with your toes. You don't have to be perfect because the boards have a bigger sweet spot and the wing can be over head providing lift. Don't look at the board and come off your up wind line a little so the wing doesn't pull you off the board or just keep the wing high to not get pull and just lift. If you learn to ride with your feet together it'll also help to give you the center line of balance of the foil. You can always step to that position while switching feet. Don't think too much about it. I'll also use the wing to lift me instead of the pump down method. If the wing is above me and I'm going down wind (gaining speed) the foil will provide more lift and with the wing helping with lift will let me ride with both feet near the front of the board. I think learning without straps is better, I ride with and without straps but teach without. In the beginning all this stuff will seem like it's happening really fast but once you're relaxed and get familiar with it, you'll see it happens pretty slowly.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: flkiter on December 01, 2019, 04:12:45 PM

I just realized something that might help those trying to get used to switching feet. Start on your weak side foiling. Then while riding heal side, switch to toe side and then do your jibe. If you're comfortable on your weak side, the foot switching will get way easier. It can also be easier for some to do a back side turn to heal side as it's easier for others to do a heal side turn to toe side.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: blueplanetsurf on December 01, 2019, 09:54:25 PM

Admin, my front strap is centered but angled,  the back strap is slightly offset to toeside.
Thanks for the stance switching tips.  I'll try it again without straps. I will try to pump down, hang weight on wing and switch stance just before jibing.
I tried using my 4'10 prone board but there was not enough wind where we launched and I could not get it going.  Then I had a great session on my 5'8 Carver SUP foilboard, I'm starting to nail tacks consistently.

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: Admin on December 02, 2019, 02:42:31 AM

Thanks Robert,

I like it.  I am going to try that strap setup on the little board.  I will probably just ride that one toeside.  Thanks!

Title: Re: Blue Planet Wingsurfing vid and tips
Post by: VB_Foil on December 12, 2019, 06:54:43 AM

Now that winter is reducing time on the water for much of us, I have a recommendation for cross-training. 

If you have access to a TRX or suspension trainer, you can easily replicate the pumping motion and build stamina and strength quickly. 

I've noticed that after winging sessions where a lot of pumping was required, my leading shoulder's deltoids and other rear muscles get quite sore (in a good way).  Mainly that is from trying to pump toe side (I'm not switching stances yet), where my left shoulder (regular footed) is put under more strain when pumping.