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Title: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 09, 2019, 04:09:13 PM
First day on a 7m wing. Wind reading on the beach 12-13 mph. IWindsurf sensor saying 10-15 mph...not knots!

7m is NOT too big. It was freaking awesome. This is your warning manufacturers...start making bigger wings or be left behind.

https://youtu.be/4f2jZ867kA4
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Beasho on September 09, 2019, 06:41:16 PM
What foil are you on?
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 09, 2019, 06:59:58 PM
Axis 102 span, 2013 sq cm.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on September 09, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
First day on a 7m wing. Wind reading on the beach 12-13 mph. IWindsurf sensor saying 10-15 mph...not knots!

7m is NOT too big. It was freaking awesome. This is your warning manufacturers...start making bigger wings or be left behind.

https://youtu.be/4f2jZ867kA4
Agree 100% DW as longtime kiter/foiler/surfer seems all the big kite companies missed the mark on the sizing of the wings as I waited for 3months for my 4m wing which is fine when itís 20-30mph with my 225lbs,bigger sized wings couldnít come fast enough for me, hey if you live on Maui the 4m just fine, but really a 6-7m wing is definitely needed asap, not sure but looks like you have the 7m gong wing which Ive been eyeing but not sure if they ship to west coast USA, gotta hand to gong crew for thinking outside the box waay before the big kite companies bravo👏
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Lazz on September 10, 2019, 03:02:18 AM
Hi Dwight ,
What's the measurement of the Wingspan at the 7m2 Gong?
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Surfside on September 10, 2019, 03:29:28 AM
if they ship to west coast USA, Ö.they do. My Gong 7 should arrive any day.:)

My Sling 4.2 and Gong 7 might be all I need for conditions here.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Surfside on September 10, 2019, 03:31:51 AM
Dwight, how much does the small forward fin help?
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 10, 2019, 04:39:08 AM
Dwight, how much does the small forward fin help?

The fin helps to paddle straight. Needed on this 5í8. Not needed on the 5í11 or 6í4.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 10, 2019, 04:50:30 AM
Hi Dwight ,
What's the measurement of the Wingspan at the 7m2 Gong?

Donít know, but itís not too wide. Easy to handle on a foil.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Beasho on September 10, 2019, 05:32:49 AM
You have to applaud the crazy French Gongers. 

They were forced to adapt to regular-man conditions outside of Hawaii and the Gorge.  Similar to windsurfing's evolution it all started in those places but then grew outside in lighter air.

Here is a great example of foiling in light wind:

https://youtu.be/u55apr6NS48
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: ninja tuna on September 10, 2019, 05:39:45 AM
Lookin good Dwight,

Cant wait to get mine in.  I wish I would have had them for after the storm. Couple of days of great conditions for playing with them.
 
Love the board!
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Lazz on September 10, 2019, 05:45:31 AM
Hi Dwight ,
What's the measurement of the Wingspan at the 7m2 Gong?

Donít know, but itís not too wide. Easy to handle on a foil.

just asking, I think Wingspan size is important   to short guys like me regarding tip drag and handling.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: eastbound on September 10, 2019, 05:54:59 AM
wow--looks so easy on the gong video!

Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: PonoBill on September 10, 2019, 06:01:21 AM

just asking, I think Wingspan size is important   to short guys like me regarding tip drag and handling.

It absolutely is important, dragging the wingtip is occasionally recoverable, but usually, it flips the wing over. I'd guess the Gong wing is good for that, the wing is about as low aspect as you could get. I think they designed them from the start to make big ones. Those long tip spars give a lot of area without adding length, but I suspect they'd spill wind quickly, which is a feature, not a bug, in light wind with gusts. I'll probably pick up one of their biggest wings, which I suspect will be a 9 since we've already seen one though the website doesn't list it.

Patrice has always made everything look easy. I remember many years ago trying to copy his freestyle moves on a SUP. No dice.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Lazz on September 10, 2019, 06:21:23 AM

just asking, I think Wingspan size is important   to short guys like me regarding tip drag and handling.

It absolutely is important, dragging the wingtip is occasionally recoverable, but usually, it flips the wing over. I'd guess the Gong wing is good for that, the wing is about as low aspect as you could get. I think they designed them from the start to make big ones. Those long tip spars give a lot of area without adding length, but I suspect they'd spill wind quickly, which is a feature, not a bug, in light wind with gusts. I'll probably pick up one of their biggest wings, which I suspect will be a 9 since we've already seen one though the website doesn't list it.

Patrice has always made everything look easy. I remember many years ago trying to copy his freestyle moves on a SUP. No dice.

I think a first careful formula for relaxed winging on foil could be: shoulder height + ca.20 cm must be greater or even than half Wingspan of the wing
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: PonoBill on September 10, 2019, 06:49:24 AM
Probably not, though yes, it might be a useful approximation. At least not when you learn to use it as intended. It's a wing, not a sail. Most of the time it's horizontal to some degree. I see a lot of beginners holding the wing nearly vertical as if it were a sail, and pulling on their back hand as if they were sheeting a sail. With the wing at an efficient angle the back hand pulls down, not in, to increase the angle of attack. I think (or rather, I hope) that dragging wingtips is a beginner pain. I catapulted into my canopy (that's kind of alliterative) two days ago when I dragged a wingtip turning downwind. Purely wrongheaded move. Turning downwind is so much easier if the wing is well above me and flat.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: ninja tuna on September 10, 2019, 09:42:41 AM
Wooohoooo,, my 7 meter just arrived.  :)

 But now i am busy at work again so dont know when I will get to try and ride it :'(
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 10, 2019, 11:05:15 AM
With a bigger wing, more area is above your front hand, and more area below your bottom hand. So donít think of all the extra area being devoted to dragging in the water.

With my 7m, my front hand does not use the forward handle. Iím more centered.

Patrice commented to my instagram. I think the 9m is dead. His home spot has wind of 8-15 knots. 7m is his most used size.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Surfside on September 10, 2019, 11:09:50 AM
Wooohoooo,, my 7 meter just arrived.  :)
Woohoo, mine was just delivered :)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Fishman on September 10, 2019, 01:32:59 PM
Watching Patrice's 12-ish year old son about (5 foot tall) handle the 9 meter wing. certainly made it look easy enough put my concern for a 7m to rest
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: clay on September 19, 2019, 09:59:52 AM
Had a chance to try the gong 7m yesterday, stoked to have enough power in lighter winds.  So much more control and able to go whatever direction I wanted.  I was concerned about being overpowered and dragging the wing tips, never happened.  I think for now this would be my size up to 20mph wind, and then 5m for 20-25, and 4m for beyond that.

The only thing I noticed is that flipping the 7m wing over took more work, hoping I discover a better technique for this.

I was on a loaner board that was way to small and still flailing to get up on the foil, hoping to get another chance soon...
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 19, 2019, 11:49:09 AM
Wooohoooo,, my 7 meter just arrived.  :)
Woohoo, mine was just delivered :)
Geez gummy...when did you guys order yours? I paid for mine (and two others w/pumps) from GONG back on July 19th, and I'm still waiting by the mailbox for it...supposedly shipped last Tuesday, and now somewhere in the La Poste "network" per their "latest" update...
(https://i.imgur.com/3w4BucR.png?1)
 :o >:(

Hope there's not a problem with any of them if/when they ever arrive...hate to think of the f'n hassle it would be to get it fixed or replaced. ::)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: clay on September 19, 2019, 12:01:10 PM
Wooohoooo,, my 7 meter just arrived.  :)
Woohoo, mine was just delivered :)
Geez gummy...when did you guys order yours? I paid for mine (and two others w/pumps) from GONG back on July 19th, and I'm still waiting by the mailbox for it...supposedly shipped last Tuesday, and now somewhere in the La Poste "network" per their "latest" update...
(https://i.imgur.com/3w4BucR.png?1)
 :o >:(

Hope there's not a problem with any of them if/when they ever arrive...hate to think of the f'n hassle it would be to get it fixed or replaced. ::)

Recieved 10 days after payment, 5 days after getting a shipped email.  I noticed some colors were in stock and others still pre-order...
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 19, 2019, 12:09:02 PM
Recieved 10 days after payment, 5 days after getting a shipped email.  I noticed some colors were in stock and others still pre-order...
So in other words long after I had already paid for mine. My credit card was charged over a month before the container was even scheduled to arrive, so I'd be..."one of the first orders to be sent out". Incredible, nice work GONG.  >:(
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 19, 2019, 01:48:35 PM
Do you have the USPS app installed and your address registered? If you do, it shows all inbound packages to that address. No need to ask or wait on a tracking number. The Gong shipments pop up in the app when they hit US customs.

FYI, same for FedEx and UPS apps. Everyone should have these apps and be using them. You will never have to ask for a tracking number again. Plus youíll know for real with a package is coming to you.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 19, 2019, 07:28:58 PM
Thanks Dwight, did all that, and now even a bit more concerned. Because as of today, "Informed Delivery" says I have "0 packages" that will be arriving soon. Fingers crossed maybe it's after they clear customs that the USPS gets their hands on them and on their site...and that it could be possible they're still sitting in some La Poste "network" warehouse on whatever US airport grounds wherever they landed them still waiting to get moved over to customs?

Two months today since I was charged for them, coming up on a month since they were supposed to be available/shipped, nine days since GONG supposedly shipped them, five days since they supposedly left France...and still no word on where they are or when we might get them. Oh, and emails to GONG's "International Salesman" go unanswered for days/weeks at a time, even though they say "We respond in 24h" on the bottom of every webpage on their site. ::)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: clay on September 19, 2019, 11:32:03 PM
Dave that sounds like a real bummer. 
I had a 5m on order and prepaid for 2 months before I gave up and canceled.

I finally had the right combo of 7m wing, foil, wind, and spot to get up on foil and fly for about 100 yards.  Side offshore is so much easier than being in the full on wind and wave stream. Wind was averaging low teens and gusty, on the gusts I had enough power to get on foil and then when the gust died I dropped.  Gave me a lot of practice flying the big kite and positioning my feet.  First time I was able to jibe my way back to the beach I started from.

By the third flight I had foot placement and kite control figured out, super stoked.  I can see multiple miles long flights are within reach
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on September 20, 2019, 08:27:21 AM
Thanks Dwight, did all that, and now even a bit more concerned. Because as of today, "Informed Delivery" says I have "0 packages" that will be arriving soon. Fingers crossed maybe it's after they clear customs that the USPS gets their hands on them and on their site...and that it could be possible they're still sitting in some La Poste "network" warehouse on whatever US airport grounds wherever they landed them still waiting to get moved over to customs?

Two months today since I was charged for them, coming up on a month since they were supposed to be available/shipped, nine days since GONG supposedly shipped them, five days since they supposedly left France...and still no word on where they are or when we might get them. Oh, and emails to GONG's "International Salesman" go unanswered for days/weeks at a time, even though they say "We respond in 24h" on the bottom of every webpage on their site. ::)
Similar situation here but shorter timeframe have not recieved a tracking number or anything, just notice that it was entrusted in shipping partners whatever that means, perhaps Dwight can chime in on how his wing arrived usps, ups or? and time frame from pymt to delivery, man Iím chomping at the bit to try that 7m wing, I also checked my usps and ups apps and nada in the works as well, from my understanding the 7m were in stock at least a few colors were, I once got a foil from alpine foil from France I believe and it arrived real smooth in about a week with tracking number and all,went surprisingly well, hopefully it will show soon🤞
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 20, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
Going on memory....after the entrusted to shipping partner email, I got another email with the French postal tracking link. That email came 2 days later I think. It doesnít show in USPS tracking until it hits US customs. Takes a week total.

Once it gets in the USPS system, it travels as next day priority service.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on September 20, 2019, 04:17:56 PM
Going on memory....after the entrusted to shipping partner email, I got another email with the French postal tracking link. That email came 2 days later I think. It doesnít show in USPS tracking until it hits US customs. Takes a week total.

Once it gets in the USPS system, it travels as next day priority service.
Thanks Dwight I emailed them and was sent a Laposte.fr tracking# that says itís here in USA in customs and thatís about as far as that tracking goes, and its location not sure? so Hoping that my usps parcel shows on my app soon and same for SSsup too will see how it shakes out🤞
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Rastaman3030 on September 22, 2019, 05:33:41 PM
I've ordered several things through Gong and they take about a week to deliver from the day you place the order to Seattle. I've never had any issues with them, as long as the item says it's in stock it should ship. I just got my Neon Red/Orange 5M from them, it took a week to get here. I'm excited to try it out! Super light weight. Now I want to add the 7M too  8)

(https://i.ibb.co/3SfbYKF/IMG-1394.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bNHVRtv)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 22, 2019, 07:58:28 PM
I've ordered several things through Gong and they take about a week to deliver from the day you place the order to Seattle. I've never had any issues with them, as long as the item says it's in stock it should ship.
How about ordering and paying for it July 16th and July 19th respectively...a month before their container was to came in?
Short answer: We're still waiting for them down here in San Clemente.

Contacted GONG on Aug 22nd two days before the wings were supposed to be available according to their website just to make sure they didn't forget about us...they replied that they'd have them on the 27th, and that our order would ship out "soon after that".

Got an email Sept 10th that, "The processing of your order #XXXXXX on GONG Galaxy is finished"...almost two weeks after that still no wings, and the USPS has no idea of where they are either; their guess is "still in customs somewhere". Yippee.  :o :(
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on September 23, 2019, 07:34:51 PM
I've ordered several things through Gong and they take about a week to deliver from the day you place the order to Seattle. I've never had any issues with them, as long as the item says it's in stock it should ship.
How about ordering and paying for it July 16th and July 19th respectively...a month before their container was to came in?
Short answer: We're still waiting for them down here in San Clemente.

Contacted GONG on Aug 22nd two days before the wings were supposed to be available according to their website just to make sure they didn't forget about us...they replied that they'd have them on the 27th, and that our order would ship out "soon after that".

Got an email Sept 10th that, "The processing of your order #XXXXXX on GONG Galaxy is finished"...almost two weeks after that still no wings, and the USPS has no idea of where they are either; their guess is "still in customs somewhere". Yippee.  :o :(
Well after checking my usps Apps since Friday and no packages headed my way, decided to use the French tracking # on the usps site and unbeknownst to me it actually showed up never thought the French trk# would show up on usps system but it did and it gets interesting it cleared customs on 16th and was shipped to my local post office in calif on the 19th then it was ďinterceptedĒtagged alert never heard that before as this can only be done by sender from my understanding or misscanned by usps, so long story short itís been stopped shipping wise and not sure where the heck it is now so going to go to my local PO tomorrow and see wtf happened donít know if they send it back to France or what? keeping my fingers crossed that itís there so you might check that out put that postel.fr trk# in the usps system and it just might show up maybe similar issue, I actually called the usps # and waited a hr 1 1/2 and they donít even know where it is, they say this tag is unusual for international package so Iím heading down tomorrow to see if any luck? Thought Iíd let you know my issue here good luck update manana
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: supunk on September 23, 2019, 11:38:05 PM
After a couple of months with my 4M and 5M Duotones I have just ordered a 7M Gong. Keeping my fingers crossed. Looks like they come into stock today :)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 24, 2019, 11:33:33 AM
I've ordered several things through Gong and they take about a week to deliver from the day you place the order to Seattle. I've never had any issues with them, as long as the item says it's in stock it should ship.
How about ordering and paying for it July 16th and July 19th respectively...a month before their container was to came in?
Short answer: We're still waiting for them down here in San Clemente.

Contacted GONG on Aug 22nd two days before the wings were supposed to be available according to their website just to make sure they didn't forget about us...they replied that they'd have them on the 27th, and that our order would ship out "soon after that".

Got an email Sept 10th that, "The processing of your order #XXXXXX on GONG Galaxy is finished"...almost two weeks after that still no wings, and the USPS has no idea of where they are either; their guess is "still in customs somewhere". Yippee.  :o :(
Well after checking my usps Apps since Friday and no packages headed my way, decided to use the French tracking # on the usps site and unbeknownst to me it actually showed up never thought the French trk# would show up on usps system but it did and it gets interesting it cleared customs on 16th and was shipped to my local post office in calif on the 19th then it was ďinterceptedĒtagged alert never heard that before as this can only be done by sender from my understanding or misscanned by usps, so long story short itís been stopped shipping wise and not sure where the heck it is now so going to go to my local PO tomorrow and see wtf happened donít know if they send it back to France or what? keeping my fingers crossed that itís there so you might check that out put that postel.fr trk# in the usps system and it just might show up maybe similar issue, I actually called the usps # and waited a hr 1 1/2 and they donít even know where it is, they say this tag is unusual for international package so Iím heading down tomorrow to see if any luck? Thought Iíd let you know my issue here good luck update manana
Oh wow paddlur, that is definitely a bummer...seems we're both stuck in the same lost package purgatory of...no one knows where our wings are. :o

Last Saturday (9/21) I went to the post office to see if someone there could track it down for us with the La Poste' tracking number - which they were able to put into their system - and was initially told by the nice lady at the counter that, "The package is still in customs...in France".  :'( 

After I showed her that per the La Poste' site that it has supposedly "left French soil" on Saturday the 14th, she then said, "Well, then it must be sitting in NY customs somewhere". IOWs, nobody really know wtf it is!!

But now with your post, even though I've not seen any "intercepted" notification, I can't help wonder like you...if sometime between the 14th, and the 21st, if US customs decided not to let it in, and had it sent back...and why on the 21st the USPS lady said "it was in customs in France".

I sent an email to Jaime at GONG last night asking if he could put a trace or track on it from his end as the company that sent it since I've exhausted all the avenues at my end, and his reply was...
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That left France so it is there, and it has to be close and most likely also passing through US Customs which most time it doesnít take long but that was a big box I sent.

I have no direct contact with the USPS so we will simply have to be patient.

Just going to have to be a bit more patient Iím afraid to say .
...which I guess means now pretty much everyone has washed their hands of it. Good thing it has a "tracking number" on it, so someone could at least try to...oh never mind. :-X :-\
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on September 24, 2019, 03:55:58 PM
Ok the saga of my wing gets even stranger.Went to local PO station where my wing was allegedly supposed to be since/on the 19th on ďinterceptĒmode via usps trk # and they tell me it has been sent back to customs again or France who knows?the wing was actually 15min from me in local PO receiving it,and this mode sends it back to customs WTF and tracking says only in intercept mode since the 19th nothing else just friggin stuck have no idea weíre its going coming or what,Iím 70mi N of LAX so assume they send back to there,then were to next your guess is good as mine,Gong assures that they did nothing on there end to put the intercept tag to ship somewhere else?So this really sucks ordering from outside the US/ France is turning into be real pain in the arse! Of coarse thereís nice wind to test it out when itís nowhere to be seen😡been in this intercept mode for 6days now.will see what shakes but starting to doubt ever going to see it now or what damage they do to it wherever it is real pisser,guess whoever received your wings from gong should buy a lottery ticket asap
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: PonoBill on September 24, 2019, 04:16:41 PM
I've heard from several sources that US customs has been extra special screwed lately as opposed to their usual "you can't touch me, I can do whatever I like with your shit, so shut up and pray" attitude. If I were looking for a serious random number generator it would have something to do with customs transit time and policies. I've had big, scary looking, "WTF is this?" packages delivered without a hitch while a little box full of thyristor boards spent nearly a month bouncing around.

All I can tell you is "shut up and pray", and that seems to be the norm lately. I imagine the trade war with China is having repercussions. Do what the Trump supporters do: Blame Hillary, or maybe Obama.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 24, 2019, 09:04:36 PM
Ok the saga of my wing gets even stranger.Went to local PO station where my wing was allegedly supposed to be since/on the 19th on ďinterceptĒmode via usps trk # and they tell me it has been sent back to customs again or France who knows?the wing was actually 15min from me in local PO receiving it,and this mode sends it back to customs WTF and tracking says only in intercept mode since the 19th nothing else just friggin stuck have no idea weíre its going coming or what,Iím 70mi N of LAX so assume they send back to there,then were to next your guess is good as mine,Gong assures that they did nothing on there end to put the intercept tag to ship somewhere else?So this really sucks ordering from outside the US/ France is turning into be real pain in the arse! Of coarse thereís nice wind to test it out when itís nowhere to be seen😡been in this intercept mode for 6days now.will see what shakes but starting to doubt ever going to see it now or what damage they do to it wherever it is real pisser,guess whoever received your wings from gong should buy a lottery ticket asap
Well not that it's any consolation for your definite "pisser" of a situation, but the tracking of my order just updated on both the La Poste' and USPS websites. Today La Poste' shows that...

Monday, September 23rd - Your parcel has arrived in the recipient s country. (Longest flight ever apparently, because the last two updates before that were on September 14th - Your parcel has left its country of origin. It is currently being routed...and on September 15th - Your parcel is transiting through our network to be delivered to you as quickly as possible. So eight days in the air...hahaha!)

Monday, September 23rd - Your parcel is clearing customs. (Ruh Roh... :o)

The most encouraging posting from the USPS site was....
September 24, 2019, 8:19 am Processed Through Facility ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS)...and it has..."Expected Delivery by WEDNESDAY 25 SEPTEMBER 2019 by 8:00 pm".

So I guess we'll have to see what happens tomorrow.  8)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on September 25, 2019, 05:39:49 PM
SSsup did you actually get your wing in your hands?unfortunately in my case seems to continue heading south, went back again to my local PO get another take on what the heck is going on they say that the intercepted tag is a paid service provided to sender to redirect parcel to new location and it appears from what the guy is telling me today that it was redirected and heading back to customs then back to France really WTF is thatGong assured me that they did nothing to interfere/change with recipient address, well thereís only 2 parties that know that trk# GongĒ SenderĒ and myself recipient and I sure as heck did not change it plus you have to pay pretty good amount to change/intercept/redirect package so letís see wtf is going on? hard to get any solid answers from the PO as The trk#status says the same everyday since the 19th ďInterceptedĒ/ redirected when the wing was literally 15 min from my house now apparently heading back to weíre it came from frustrating is not the word😡 and to make it even worse been breezy everyday great testing weather for a 7m wing around here,Lesson learned hard way purchasing out of the country, but I bought a kite foil from Alpine foil in France couple yrs back went real smooth so I though wtf this will be alright wrong! Been kiting for over 15 yrs 5 yrs foiling and always ridden Naish kites even have the 4m Naish wing but with my weight the 4m needs 20-30 mph to get working for me so itís kinda useless this time of year around here the 7m would of been the right tool for the job here this time of year, annoying that our big kite companies here in the states donít make a 7m wing for heavier riders/ lighter air just really canít comprehend that but gotta hand it to Gong for being the first to actually make em but getting one in the states is proving not easy crapshoot 101, just beside myself on this out of my hands but annoying as all F*&k
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 25, 2019, 10:36:32 PM
SSsup did you actually get your wing in your hands?
Not yet. Most of the day today the USPS tracking said "Inbound Into Customs", then I got a text from USPS that said "Inbound Out Of Customs 09/25/19 2:35pm" so figured it was on its way for the "Sept 25 Delivery by 8:00 pm"...cool. Then a couple hours later at 1615 hrs to a USPS text that says, "Expected Delivery by Thursday, September 26, 2019". So the jury's still out on what's gonna happen, and what I'm thinking about the whole situation given what you've been put through...and what's happened so far with GONG, and their terrible communication (ie. customer service).

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unfortunately in my case seems to continue heading south, went back again to my local PO get another take on what the heck is going on they say that the intercepted tag is a paid service provided to sender to redirect parcel to new location and it appears from what the guy is telling me today that it was redirected and heading back to customs then back to France really WTF is thatGong assured me that they did nothing to interfere/change with recipient address, well thereís only 2 parties that know that trk# GongĒ SenderĒ and myself recipient and I sure as heck did not change it plus you have to pay pretty good amount to change/intercept/redirect package so letís see wtf is going on? hard to get any solid answers from the PO as The trk#status says the same everyday since the 19th ďInterceptedĒ/ redirected when the wing was literally 15 min from my house now apparently heading back to weíre it came from frustrating is not the word😡
This is just insane, and unbelievable...I can only imagine your frustration, because I too feel helpless, and the f'n thing is in the hands of others who really don't give a shit whether we ever get our wings or not. Not to mention I've already paid off the almost $2k charge on my credit card a month ago, and here we sit with nothing for it. Great, nice job GONG... ::)

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but getting one in the states is proving not easy crapshoot 101, just beside myself on this out of my hands but annoying as all F*&k
Yep, and now my mind wanders to if/when we get the wings...what happens if there's a problem with the order or if/when we have a warranty problem with a wing...since they don't have anyone here in the states to take care of any problems...send it back, and hope we ever get it back?  :-\
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Rastaman3030 on September 26, 2019, 04:54:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLZ8lyXBzBs 

Gong just posted a new video - watch at :49 seconds he is riding a 9M!
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Admin on September 27, 2019, 03:23:21 AM
That is a great video.  It really shows the kind of water that this new sport is opening up.  You can foil out in so little wind that all sorts of little lakes, stretches of river, ocean bays, come into play.  Locations that are entirely unused by other sports.  These big wings will help with that for bigger riders.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 27, 2019, 09:03:47 AM
Nice to see GONG out on the water in not the typical gale force winds we see in so many videos...which gives me added hope that they'll work in the light winds we typically get around here. Because fortunately...we finally received our wings yesterday. Phew!!

While the package looked as though they simply pushed it out of the back of the plane onto my doorstep as they flew over....
(https://i.imgur.com/mBPujob.jpg?1) (https://i.imgur.com/9MFv43Q.jpg?1)
...everything ordered was in it, and all seem to be no worse for the wear trip....
(https://i.imgur.com/rY1bcOQ.jpg?1)

No wind as of yet for today (figures)...although forecast was for 11-12 mph...but maybe later this afternoon when we normally get whatever wind that we do, we'll be able to give 'em a go for a maiden voyage.

In the meantime, I guess we're back to good old paddle power in the surf....think I can live with that.  ;D
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: supunk on September 27, 2019, 09:43:23 AM
Great to hear you finally got your wings Sano. Quite a collection! I am waiting for my 7M to arrive fingers crossed :)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on September 27, 2019, 10:15:13 AM
Sano I would immediately go buy a lottery ticket itís definitely your lucky day! Looks nice, hey if you wanna sell one of the 7m wing look no farther haha! Nothing like great wind here lately and my wing is pretty much disappeared of the planet same status as 8 days ago when it was literally 15min within my hands then slickly redirected/intercepted and off to who knows where,soooo friggin aggravating.gonna try last ditch effort at PO which have yielded absolutely nothing about its status on where itís headed or whatís going on except that ďmost likely back in customs heading back to sender Gong.Oh well at least I got my kitefoil but was looking forward to my new 7m wing, gotta say this wingy thing has been nothing short of off to a rocky start here,forecast here tomorrow 20-30 so maybe get my 4m Naish wing out if it comes to fruition🤞Oh any zoners out there that might of got a 7m Gongwing in the states and feel its bit much for them please contact me certainly be interested!
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Fishman on September 27, 2019, 11:39:35 AM
Now the Gong "Wing PLUS" is up for preorder.
They wasted no time coming out with a version 2.

I'm kind of glad and mad, our V1 has barely even seen the water, and the V2 comes out looking like a better fit for my wants of a wing.

Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: supunk on September 27, 2019, 01:50:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoCKRAfcRsI

Look really good. A bit like the F One swing with a panel between the boom and the canopy. Some great wing foiling moves!!!.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Rastaman3030 on September 27, 2019, 03:58:40 PM
Yikes - I haven't even had a chance to try my 5M Gong wing that arrived less than a week ago and they've already come out with the "Plus" version aka V2! The website says pre-order now for a late November delivery...https://www.gong-galaxy.com/en/product/gong-wing-plus/

I'm excited to hear feedback on the 7M from the fellow zoners. I'm hoping there will be enough wind tomorrow here in Seattle to try out my 5M.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: PonoBill on September 28, 2019, 10:19:45 AM
From the original videos it looks like the smaller Gong wings had no panel between the strut and canopy, while the larger ones had a little panel, but perhaps not enough to shape the inside of the wing into a good foil shape. The V2 version looks to have a deeper panel and a more gradual transition of the leading edge to the wingtips, which might stiffen the wingtips a bit.

Everything we are playing with is V1. Most of this stuff will be as dated as a two-line kite in a year or so. You want to get on the Ferris Wheel early, you gotta pay.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on October 01, 2019, 04:22:06 PM
Well the drama of my missing wing since the 19th has finally come to happy end it arrived today evidently as usual went through customs heading over from France  and was sent to my local PO Approx 70mi away,and for some reason was sent for another go back to customs and basically disappeared since the 19th, perhaps a big sticker ďMade in ChinaĒ on the box didnít help its course! Anyway just unboxed it and did trial inflation all good,yes! First impressions out of the bag is itís pretty heavy with huge leading edge and center strut, compared to my regular kitefoil kites and my Naish 4m wing not really sure in the future wings will need such large diameter LEs and center strut, inflating it was like blowing up my 12m boxer holds a lot of air for 7m,apples oranges of coarse but coming from close to 20years kiting obvious things that stood out for me on first look.As would have it been on good 5day run of wind here and figures today is pretty much on the downswing of the wind cycle here for a few? It comes with standard Boston inflation valve and build quality appears pretty nice, canopy could use a bit more reinforcement in trailin edge my boxers definitely more stout in this category,The handles are impressive really nice a step up compared to my 4m Niash wing! Canít wait to try it out,Come to find out that Gong has a new improved version coming out shortly hard to keep up with the tech advances here in the wing and supfoil products these days oh well itís arrived F@&k yeah stoked!
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on October 01, 2019, 05:21:46 PM
Well the drama of my missing wing since the 19th has finally come to happy end it arrived today...oh well itís arrived F@&k yeah stoked!
Congrats paddlur, I know it was a long frustrating journey for you...stoked for you! I'm sure after the first couple of sessions with it it'll seem like old hat to you, and you'll forget all about the nonsense you had to go through just to get the GD thing. Now maybe today's the day you go get that lottery ticket...LOL!!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on October 02, 2019, 05:41:35 PM
Well the drama of my missing wing since the 19th has finally come to happy end it arrived today evidently as usual went through customs heading over from France  and was sent to my local PO Approx 70mi away,and for some reason was sent for another go back to customs and basically disappeared since the 19th, perhaps a big sticker ďMade in ChinaĒ on the box didnít help its course! Anyway just unboxed it and did trial inflation all good,yes! First impressions out of the bag is itís pretty heavy with huge leading edge and center strut, compared to my regular kitefoil kites and my Naish 4m wing not really sure in the future wings will need such large diameter LEs and center strut, inflating it was like blowing up my 12m boxer holds a lot of air for 7m,apples oranges of coarse but coming from close to 20years kiting obvious things that stood out for me on first look.As would have it been on good 5day run of wind here and figures today is pretty much on the downswing of the wind cycle here for a few? It comes with standard Boston inflation valve and build quality appears pretty nice, canopy could use a bit more reinforcement in trailin edge my boxers definitely more stout in this category,The handles are impressive really nice a step up compared to my 4m Niash wing! Canít wait to try it out,Come to find out that Gong has a new improved version coming out shortly hard to keep up with the tech advances here in the wing and supfoil products these days oh well itís arrived F@&k yeah stoked!
Been having some issues posting yesterday so hereís a cpl of Picts of the 7m gong wing just need some wind now to try it out.🤞
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: paddlur on October 02, 2019, 06:27:43 PM
Well the drama of my missing wing since the 19th has finally come to happy end it arrived today...oh well itís arrived F@&k yeah stoked!
Congrats paddlur, I know it was a long frustrating journey for you...stoked for you! I'm sure after the first couple of sessions with it it'll seem like old hat to you, and you'll forget all about the nonsense you had to go through just to get the GD thing. Now maybe today's the day you go get that lottery ticket...LOL!!  ;) ;D
Got that right SSsup👍
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: toejammer2 on October 06, 2019, 12:02:34 PM
Got my 7m Gong a couple of weeks after having to pay twice! Wanted to pay cash to keep things on the ďlowdownĒ since I already had a preorder for a Duotone 5m since March.  Credit union sends a wire transfer on August 8, they say it landed on the 13th-still have no idea what happened to my $675 so I begged the wife to use the credit card anyway-total @#$^ show!
Anyway, I went up to Floras lake Oregon yesterday and flopped around while kiters flew all over the place foiling and non foiling. No windsurfer were even close to planeing except some guy with a giant board and a huge 8m? sail . Iím thinking even with the Iwa on my 190Lbs with my super heavy 8í hypernut didnít help not to mention zero technique. Pretty frustrating. Iím trying to watch all of the videos again to check things like hand placement. I wish I could see a heavier guy pump onto a plane with the 7m. One of the kiters passed by my and yelled ďpump it up and down!Ē I tried but the wing seemed to just spill the pitiful gusts more than any windsurf sail I have used. I have been looking at Adminís iwindsurf graph for his great day of wingfoiling compared to mine yesterday-they kinda seem similar-hmmm. Gonna be paying some dues to get this down!
Cheers
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: clay on October 06, 2019, 02:12:44 PM
Got my 7m Gong a couple of weeks after having to pay. Iím thinking even with the Iwa on my 190Lbs with my super heavy 8í hypernut didnít help not to mention zero technique. Pretty frustrating. Iím trying to watch all of the videos again to check things like hand placement. I wish I could see a heavier guy pump onto a plane with the 7m.
Cheers
I went out yesterday in barely 15mph wind, I felt like experimenting so I tried a 1700 wing and gong 7m.  I pumped liked crazy for almost 1/3 mile and only got the board out of the water once and then immediately fell back down.  I gave up and went back in to swap for a 2400 wing.  I still had to work hard to get the board up, but that bigger wing flies at a lower speed so I was able to stay up on foil and fly for a 1/2 mile.  I could not pump up toe side on my way back in.  I'm 200 pounds.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: supunk on October 06, 2019, 04:04:58 PM
I have a Gong 7M wing plus on pre-order to use with my Gong XXL pro 1.2m foil. Hoping the combo should get me up in some light winds. The XXL pro foil works great with my 5M Duotone with great lift and glide. I can really recommend this foil for wingfoiling ;)
(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F&hash=b092a1dbb65fc65d5e5c930eee1a555c)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: PonoBill on October 06, 2019, 07:46:00 PM
Probably no surprise that the Gong looks like an Axis 1020. The designs are converging.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Rastaman3030 on October 06, 2019, 08:18:33 PM
With the Gong 5M wing and XXL Foil (2,500cm) I'm able to pop up on the foil in 15mph gusts and maintain flight down to 10mph with a few pumps here and there. The XXL wing has a crazy amount of lift. If anyone is having trouble foiling, just get the XXL foil and call it a day. I'm learning after my 3rd Wing session that the trick is getting board speed up before popping up on the foil and not trying to pop-up to soon. I've found wingfoiling way easier than windfoiling (windsurf foiling). This sport is seriously a blast, easier than I thought, and not just a high-wind sport for Maui and the Gorge like I originally thought.

With the new Gong 7M Plus model I anticipate there will be wingfoiling days of 8 - 12 knots on the horizon.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: supunk on October 07, 2019, 12:28:30 AM
Hi Rastaman. Do you have the regular XXL or the XXL pro foil? The pro is another level over the regular for easy flying :o
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 07, 2019, 04:28:23 AM
...... trick is getting board speed up before popping up on the foil and not trying to pop-up to soon.

I found the same.

To get my Axis 1000 wing going in lighter wing, The first two pumps, I concentrate on shoving the board forward. The next two pumps, I unweight and pop up. The next two pumps Iím up, but do them anyway, to gain the extra speed the 1000 wing needs. Then Iím good.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Rastaman3030 on October 07, 2019, 08:38:13 AM
Hi Rastaman. Do you have the regular XXL or the XXL pro foil? The pro is another level over the regular for easy flying :o

I have the regular XXL. Have you compared the regular to the Pro in the XXL size? I thought the Pro models were faster and more responsive, but didn't have as early of lift due to the thinner profile and less volume?
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Fishman on October 07, 2019, 12:39:49 PM
Hi Rastaman. Do you have the regular XXL or the XXL pro foil? The pro is another level over the regular for easy flying :o

I have the regular XXL. Have you compared the regular to the Pro in the XXL size? I thought the Pro models were faster and more responsive, but didn't have as early of lift due to the thinner profile and less volume?
I don't have the Pro's yet but the size of the XXL PRO is bigger than the reg XXL.

Pro XXL 120cm span, 2609 cm2 (projected) 4.2 liters 2.4kg.
XXL 100cm span, 2175 cm2 (projected), 4.26 liters 2.7kgs.

It seems like for paddle in surf the Reg may have some benifits, but with a wind wing, there may not be any down side using the pros instead. I'm hoping  to get a XL PRO or a XXL PRO soon.  Low wind a 7m wing and a big low profile foil may be the ticket at times.

Looking forward to Supunk,s input.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: supunk on October 07, 2019, 04:24:27 PM
I have both the regular Gong XXL and the pro XXL wings and prefer the later for wing foiling. I really can't fault it for my level of riding (over 100 sup foil sessions + around 20 wing sessions). It has more lift than the regular XXL, can fly at very low speeds and is plenty fast enough for me. It was running at just under 20 kmh on my GPS when I measured it but I'm sure it has more top end. It is very controllable throughout its range and has never felt like it was going to blow out at speed. It is also easier to pump through lulls in the wind. I think the pro XXL is a great wing to start wing foiling on. I prefer the regular XXL wing when sup foiling in waves but this is only based on one session with the pro XXL and am going to give it another go. The XL pro wing is much smaller. I have had one session sup foiling with it in small, weak waves and it needed working to keep flying. I am sure it will come into its own in more powerful waves.
Hope that helps :)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Rastaman3030 on October 07, 2019, 10:10:09 PM
supunk, thanks for the insight! My concern with a front wing that's even wider than my regular XXL is that the edges of the wing will breach out of the water when carving or trying to edge hard up wind (having the foil at an angle), I think I already feel the edges of my 100cm wide XXL starting to come up to the surface when I have the foil at an angle and I'm flying from middle of the mast height. Have you had an issues with that on the XXL Pro?
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: supunk on October 07, 2019, 11:12:12 PM
Hi Rastaman. It was something I had to be careful of with the 65cm mast. I have not had a problem since moving to the 80cm mast. I could see it being an issue if you doing radical carving or sup foiling with the wing on a wave. I should add that I am presently foil winging in sheltered coastal waters and a reservoir. I am not yet taking it to the waves. I'm sure at that stage a smaller wing will be the go. Despite having a lot of Gong gear I have no affiliation with them either. :)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: beached on October 08, 2019, 04:36:30 AM
Despite having a lot of Gong gear I have no affiliation with them either. :)

so given you do have a lot of Gong gear, seems you're the guy to ask these questions, albeit off topic: do the Gong foils have tuttle only, or is there a mast plate available? Their prices seem crazy low relative to others. For example, to get an Armstrong 2400 full foil would be about $2200, Gong seems to have similar for about $800. how is it possible? (i know all carbon vs. some aluminum, but still...). Is it not much problem getting this stuff from France? Quality still good? I need a really big foil wing, that's why i'm asking, thx.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: supunk on October 08, 2019, 06:14:49 AM
Despite having a lot of Gong gear I have no affiliation with them either. :)

so given you do have a lot of Gong gear, seems you're the guy to ask these questions, albeit off topic: do the Gong foils have tuttle only, or is there a mast plate available? Their prices seem crazy low relative to others. For example, to get an Armstrong 2400 full foil would be about $2200, Gong seems to have similar for about $800. how is it possible? (i know all carbon vs. some aluminum, but still...). Is it not much problem getting this stuff from France? Quality still good? I need a really big foil wing, that's why i'm asking, thx.

Hi beached. Check out there website for all the options - https://www.gong-galaxy.com/en/category-product/sup-en/. They come as standard with flat plate mount but the mast can be fitted with a tuttle. The foil is functional, not a work of art (alloy mast, fuse and top plate) but works well. It looks like Gong may be coming out with a carbon mast/fuse which would be a great improvement in stiffness and weight. Gong are based in France but think most of the manufacturing is in China to keep costs down + they only sell direct. I live in the UK so supply is not a problem yet. It may be if Brexit happens :'(. They are very helpful and respond quickly to emails. If you are after a giant wing I don't know of anything larger than the Gong XXL pro ;)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 08, 2019, 06:21:31 AM
Gong used to be all carbon, mast and fuselage. I owned one. Weight was similar to aluminum.

Gong is made at the same factory in China, as 2 famous brands, I could name.

They simply cutout the distributor and his margin. Thatís why its cheaper.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: JEG on October 08, 2019, 03:02:56 PM
Gong used to be all carbon, mast and fuselage. I owned one. Weight was similar to aluminum.

Gong is made at the same factory in China, as 2 famous brands, I could name.

They simply cutout the distributor and his margin. Thatís why its cheaper.

please do name those brands though either way, ppl will find out?
I think if Gong releases carbon mast and fuselage they will sell even more foils and will really hurt profit $ to others. Even better, if Gong is listening = start making a 1 piece mast/fuselage like the Gofoil and you will dominate the market if the price is right  :)
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: exiled on October 08, 2019, 03:37:09 PM
Gong used to be all carbon, mast and fuselage. I owned one. Weight was similar to aluminum.

Gong is made at the same factory in China, as 2 famous brands, I could name.

They simply cutout the distributor and his margin. Thatís why its cheaper.

please do name those brands though either way, ppl will find out?
I think if Gong releases carbon mast and fuselage they will sell even more foils and will really hurt profit $ to others. Even better, if Gong is listening = start making a 1 piece mast/fuselage like the Gofoil and you will dominate the market if the price is right  :)
Pretty sure the plan is for a one piece carbon mast and fuselage by Christmas. We'll see it happens and what the price point will be.
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: Rastaman3030 on October 08, 2019, 04:02:41 PM
Gong used to be all carbon, mast and fuselage. I owned one. Weight was similar to aluminum.

Gong is made at the same factory in China, as 2 famous brands, I could name.

They simply cutout the distributor and his margin. Thatís why its cheaper.

please do name those brands though either way, ppl will find out?
I think if Gong releases carbon mast and fuselage they will sell even more foils and will really hurt profit $ to others. Even better, if Gong is listening = start making a 1 piece mast/fuselage like the Gofoil and you will dominate the market if the price is right  :)
Pretty sure the plan is for a one piece carbon mast and fuselage by Christmas. We'll see it happens and what the price point will be.

Any idea if the upcoming Gong carbon mast and fuselage will fit their existing front and rear wings?
Title: Re: BIG wings...7m
Post by: exiled on October 08, 2019, 06:09:16 PM
Any idea if the upcoming Gong carbon mast and fuselage will fit their existing front and rear wings?

Yes, I believe that's what they are doing. I have no idea what the price point for the carbon will be.