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General => Random => Topic started by: socalgremmy on September 08, 2019, 07:22:24 AM
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Trump's manipulation federal agencies for his own agenda is scary.
Are we on the verge of a "Dicktatorship"?
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I like the US founding fathers and in my opinion, he doesn't know who they are and what they did to the US. He's acting like someone else that we see in other authoritarian and dictatorship countries.
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He is a fascist. Trump has malignant narcissistic personality disorder. What is now normal is literally insane. And still, you will find people...even on this forum, that supports him.
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He is a fascist. Trump has malignant narcissistic personality disorder. What is now normal is literally insane. And still, you will find people...even on this forum, that supports him.
It seems to me that *a majority* of US contributors to this forum support Trump. Maybe that’s because those who don’t have stopped contributing.
We’ve now got our own Trump in the UK now, unfortunately (the new Prime Minister, Boris Johnson). Cambridge Analytica really f**ked the UK over - and you too.
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He is a fascist. Trump has malignant narcissistic personality disorder. What is now normal is literally insane. And still, you will find people...even on this forum, that supports him.
you have no idea what a fascist is. if you did, you'd know Obama was much more deserving of the term than Trump.
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you will find people...even on this forum, that supports him.
His support has been pretty steady all along and it would be surprising if any community did not reflect that split (including ours). The poll of polls data has been really reliable (link below). It had Trump well within the margin of error in the last election. The news outlets prefer to sensationalize a single poll that fits with their bias but if you look at the poll of polls data it is really quite good. I understand the frustration with Trump. I am hopeful that we will vote him out next time around but it would be a mistake to think that it won't be close.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
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He is a fascist. Trump has malignant narcissistic personality disorder. What is now normal is literally insane. And still, you will find people...even on this forum, that supports him.
you have no idea what a fascist is. if you did, you'd know Obama was much more deserving of the term than Trump.
since you profess authority re fascism: pls explain what a fascist is--and why obama is particularly "deserving of the term"
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The following 2016 WP article might be of interest.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/21/how-fascist-is-donald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that/?noredirect=on
As one commentator said back in 10/2016, "Trump can't seem to do anything well. Even when it comes to being a fascist, he approaches it in a half-fas-cist fashion."
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Sharpiegate, cool, my favorite one yet.
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The final words of the 2016 piece (no mention of Obama):
"He (Trump) is semi-fascist: more fascist than any successful American politician yet, and the most dangerous threat to pluralist democracy in this country in more than a century, but — thank our stars — an amateurish imitation of the real thing."
Of course Trump has done so many add'l things to earn characterization as a fascist since then---so ima bump him from "semi-fascist" as the article concludes, to full blown fascist. i will qualify with wannabe if need be. he sure wants to be--walls--big military parades with missiles and huge weapons displayed, etc etc
but hey, we have an expert on fascism among us! we'll soon get sorted out by beached
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This thread title is homophobic, and what is it about anyway? Sharpiegate, or diverting money from FEMA to the Border?
I think that Trump is obviously nationalist in his worldview, and if you believe that he is rrrracist, mysoginist and all the other ists pretty easy to jump to Fascist. But to make that work you have to believe that Trump has an overarching political scheme, and I just don't think he has that much of a rudder.
My opinion is that he has a massive ego, and the morals of an alley cat. Couple that with the fact that he has always behaved as a bully I can see the director of NOAA being pushed around easily. One thing a bureau-lifer understands is superior force.
Also, R presidents have bungled nearly every natural disaster as far back as I remember. Sharpie gate is at least hilarious.
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My guess is that beached too a wrong turn at googling. A far right, authoritarian, ultra-national dictator? No, I wouldn't call Trump that--he'd like to be, but he's not. After all, he used to be a democrat. I'll just stick with would-be fascist. But Obama??? I suspect it's just the knee-jerk thing that anyone that still supports Trump does. Obama was worse and what about Hillary?
I'm having a tough time with 2020. I really think reactionary democrats will screw the pooch. I'd be considered extremely right wing in any normal political conversation, but I don't remember the last time I thought republicans were rational. Maybe the Eisenhower years? I'm all in with having a social conscience, looking out for the environment and making the playing field level, but the current crop of democrats all sound like idiots to me. I guess I'm going to have to stick with Pat Paulsen, even though he's thoroughly dead.
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staying on topic.....
Washington (CNN)Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross threatened to fire top National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration employees if the agency didn't disavow a tweet from a regional office that contradicted President Donald Trump's false claim that Hurricane Dorian was likely to hit Alabama, according to a report by The New York Times.
According to three people cited in the Times report on Monday, Ross called acting NOAA Administrator Neil Jacobs and told him to fix the National Weather Service's contradiction of Trump's claim. When Jacobs opposed the demand, Ross told him NOAA's political staff would be fired, the Times reported.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/09/politics/wilbur-ross-noaa-employees/index.html
and now there's this
Dan Rather
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Hmm... Pres. Trump calls desperate Bahamians some very bad people & very bad gang members. He said something similar about Mexicans. And then there were all those sh#thole countries. And yet Nazis marching in Charlottesville, Virginia include very fine people. I can’t for the life of me think of an explanation for the distinction. Any ideas?
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I think Trump is a disaster for the US. But I’m hoping he gets in again. Why? Because he’s a political storm, and a storm needs to blow itself out. Those who are voting for him have to see that what he and his ilk are offering is not going to make their lives any better. That is going to take time. If Trump fails at the next election the lesson will not have been learned, and next time around it will be back to square one.
It’s tough to see such a great country receding in influence on the world stage though. Iran, North Korea etc know that Trump is not going to get involved, so they can do what they like. And the US’s traditional allies know that they can’t rely on him either, even for matters such as climate change where there is widespread accord outside the US. And then there’s the trade war with China, which you guys are all paying for. What other country would want to end up having to take sides there? You might just do so if there was a steady pair of hands at the US’s helm. But Trump is anything but a steady pair of hands. Only an idiot would trust him to run a birthday party for a bunch of 7 year olds, never mind negotiate a complex multilateral international agreement.
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I think Trump is a disaster for the US. But I’m hoping he gets in again.
I knew you would come around, your red hat and secret Republican gang-sign guide are on their way to you...😁
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I think Trump is a disaster for the US. But I’m hoping he gets in again.
I knew you would come around, your red hat and secret Republican gang-sign guide are on their way to you...😁
:) :) Trump (and his supporters) are gonna have to learn that if ya break it, ya bought it.
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Yes, I suppose with great stupidity comes great responsibility.
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admin, can you rid this post of its title?
it's an embarrassment the it's been let stand--offensive for all sorts of reasons
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admin, can you rid this post of its title?
it's an embarrassment the it's been let stand--offensive for all sorts of reasons
Sure. It was a bit surprising to me as well. Admin + Trump = Butt Buddies? Seems like something I would remember.
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id struggled with a variety of "understandings" of the title--but, actually, hadnt thought of you, our very own admin
hadnt really sensed a passionate fondness for trump in you, so it hadnt clicked previously
haha
thx
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There I fixed it ;D
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I think Trump is a disaster for the US. But I’m hoping he gets in again. Why? Because he’s a political storm, and a storm needs to blow itself out. Those who are voting for him have to see that what he and his ilk are offering is not going to make their lives any better. That is going to take time. If Trump fails at the next election the lesson will not have been learned, and next time around it will be back to square one.
They will not learn. Remember this is a group of people that adust their view of the world to what they are being told it is. They think Trump is the second coming of christ...they will adjust their perception of the world as needed.
The anti-dote to Trumps popularity is to call him a fat, bloated ugly, poor, terrible business man and watch him absolutely self implode. The more you'd laugh the worse his self-implosion would get.
Beached, what do you know about what I know? I mean you have to be a special kind of disinformed to state that Obama is more deserving of a fascist label, but I suspect Pono is right...it is a fox news kind of knee jerk reaction. I do have to say that supporting Trump after all the shit he has pulled is a disgrace. It truly says something about a person.
Pono I would venture to argue that a person can be fascist even if he cannot yet rule 100% like one. Look at everything Trump is saying and doing. Just the way he doctored the stupid hurricane. The most egregious thing isn't that he drew on the hurricane map, it is that he will rather use his organization to threaten someone who does forecasts for a living...and put American lives at risk just to be right in something he is obviously incorrect about.
He still bears all the hallmarks of a fascist. He will rule like one given half a chance.
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Tautologies -.imagine for one moment that not all Trump’s supporters are intellectually-challenged reprobates. (Yes, I know it is a challenge :) )
What do you then think is compelling them to vote for him?
I was chatting to a Trump-supporting taxi driver in Dallas a little while back. He told me that 30+ million of the US population are illegal immigrants. He was unable to tell me where this figure had come from but swore that about 1 in 10 of the US population are undocumented.
That’s a starting point perhaps for your “thought experiment” into the mind of a Trump supporter. Presumably it’s not unreasonable to be worried about the potential effects of illegal Immigration, if those are the figures you believed?
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Shouldn't this thread be in Random?
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The admiral likes it here. That is all..... 8)
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I start with a fundamental understanding that 1/2 the population of the world are too stupid to talk to. Yeah, that sounds arrogant as hell, but the simple truth is that no one who posts intelligently to a forum spends their life in contact with dumb people. We assume everyone can express themselves and understands that just hearing someone smarter say something doesn't mean it's true. But they can't, and they do. Unless there are facts or numbers. Facts and numbers are like Kryptonite.
If you'd like a working and immediate example of what rationality confronts, go to Youtube, pick a video that has just a modest degree of potential controversy. Like "Greenland is melting" but really, pick your own topic.
Read the comments. You will immediately start thinking that whatever extinction event the universe has in store for us can only be considered a good thing.
Here's one from "Greenland is Melting":
"Great developments in fighting radiation using music bees wax honey combe and music - we can capture the acoustic signal of radiation which sounds like a very fast drum beat into music which will save the coral reefs from the radium in the gladstone harbour. Now the smelter would be ommitting radiation when she is melting the raw material and is processing the aluminium - if we infect the smoke stack with music made from uranium glass we can smash the radiation from spreading - now the large red mud that is buried north of gladstone we can change the signal of this radiation aswell. now we can apply the same technology to the leaking reactor at fukushima and save america and russia and japan from the radiation spewing out every single day."
So we got that going for us.
I like this exchange too:
"Random Capitalization Girl: The government is taking the Sand from the oceans which is an extremely Gigantic Problem, Why are you Not talking about that?! ( I mean the Government is not Talking)😘😘😘
Trying to get hooked up dude: Where are they putting all that sand?
RCG. Buildings, Mobile Phones, pretty much anything that makes them Huge profits
TTGHUD: wow that's crazy
RCG: Sand makes concrete, which is the biggest commodity in the world."
I guess that explains the phones.
It would be great if I were cherry-picking, but it's pretty much nothing but stupidity, all the way down. You probably don't know any people this dumb. I don't know any people this dumb. Forrest Gump doesn't know any people this dumb.
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If you'd like a working and immediate example of what rationality confronts, go to Youtube, pick a video that has just a modest degree of potential controversy. Like "Greenland is melting" but really, pick your own topic.
Read the comments. You will immediately start thinking that whatever extinction event the universe has in store for us can only be considered a good thing.
The problem with YT comment is it's nearly impossible to tell who is truly expressing a heartfelt yet dumb opinion and who is just trolling to be offensive for the sake of being offensive or arguing for the sake of arguing. While there is no shortage of dumb people out there expressing ignorant dumb opinions, there are plenty who log into YT and post things they don't themselves really belive but just want to get a reaction.
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I lump the trolls in with the rest of the dipshits. It's an activity that's pretty much self-selecting.
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Another big win for Trump tonight. He just keeps winning. What an idiot..... 8)
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Another big win for Trump tonight. He just keeps winning. What an idiot..... 8)
Why did you vote for Trump, Rider? What do you think he has made better about your life?
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Another big win for Trump tonight. He just keeps winning. What an idiot..... 8)
Hi Guys, Here we are in Random . I had missed that this had been posted in General.
Rider, do you mean North Carolina? That is a pretty telling event in regards to the state of things. Both sides making silly points. The Dems continuing with our "a close loss is actually a victory" theme and the R's claiming a major win for a seat they have held since 1963.
Should the Dems be excited that this ended up at only a 2 point spread? No. It should be a reminder that we are still likely to lose all of the "Red" states. But, now we will hear of how this means that Trump support is fading and....Months of it. Then we get to hear how 17% media darling Elizabeth Warren is dominating the race and we are off to loony town again.
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Trump never won anything, the democrats lost. It's what they seem best at. We really need another party, too bad the Libertarians make the democrats seem like winners--and that they're so fucking nutty.
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A little tidbit from last night.
Dan Bishop (R), won Cumberland County, North Carolina, that county is 35% black.
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yep, cumberland county, which, black population as ever, has been won by republicans by windfall since 1963 (almost 60 years, an unarguable republican stronghold)
never even close.....til now
a big "win" ? howso--repugs eked one out where it was always a layup
you think the african-americans voted repugnantcan?
or maybe they're all voter fraudsters? and they were prevented from voting by "right to vote" laws?
whatever...keep winning--NK, Iran, Afghanistan, Bahamas, separated children, air force at turnberry, blah blah---so many wins!!
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Trump never won anything, the democrats lost. It's what they seem best at. We really need another party, too bad the Libertarians make the democrats seem like winners--and that they're so fucking nutty.
Occasionally brilliant, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x25eNZSrYgE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x25eNZSrYgE)
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That Gary, what a kidder. :D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT8-x5ssuWQ
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The Supremes....My favorite group. Stop...In the Name of a Love. Another HUGE win by our pres....Dow 27000....And the Dems have what? Life is good.....
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The Supremes....My favorite group. Stop...In the Name of a Love. Another HUGE win by our pres....Dow 27000....And the Dems have what? Life is good.....
Rider, you haven’t answered my question about what about *your* life, personally, has improved since Trump became POTUS (and can be attributed to him).
Do you have an answer? Thanks.
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The Supremes....My favorite group. Stop...In the Name of a Love. Another HUGE win by our pres....Dow 27000....And the Dems have what? Life is good.....
The Dems (Obama) brought the Dow from its Bush created low of 6,600 back to 20,000 on inauguration day and back to 25,000 one year into Trump. The market has failed to break out of that range since then. Following Obama's trend line the Dow would be well into the 30's by now. Trump has sadly been crippling that potential with his tariffs, etc.
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I know you are just responding to Riders comment, but I'm also pretty certain that you realize that the Dow is not indicative of the general economy.
Also, Bush did not create the 6,600 low, that was ultimately the result of the relaxed lending policies. Plenty of blame to go around...
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How is it that Bush didn't create the 6,600 low Dow, but Trump gets credit for creating where the Dow is today.
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lots of blame for every problem---from our master of equivocation
here's some non-equivocation:
clinton and rubin effected policy that seriously reduced our deficits and resulted in our treasury actually buying back its own debt prior to maturity--ie retiring 100's of billions of dollars of debt-- yep, clinton--and the stock market ramped in approval during his terms
bush and cheney were quoted as saying "it's our turn to run the deficits" and boy did they deliver--on top of this bush presided over radical deregulation of our banking system, including doubling the leverage of our big banks, and making a wild west of our securitization and derivative markets--and.....we had a financial crisis-and the biggest stock market wipeout since 1987--surprise!! think "relaxed lending policies"
obama did a nice job cleaning up the mess and handed trump a solidly trending stock market
trump has put us on a previously unimaginable deficit track--and he applied cocaine to the private parts of the market with tax cut handouts to the wealthy and to powerful corporations--we'll see what happens to the stock market--certainly the cyclical power of Obama's work is ending-- but i am not loading up, that's for sure--not with trump blundering around with our economy, our trade, our foreign relations, our weather forecasts, melania's son, etc etc etc etc
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How is it that Bush didn't create the 6,600 low Dow, but Trump gets credit for creating where the Dow is today.
Tom, I wouldn't say that he does.
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your point is solid, tom
presidents can do little to reverse economic cycles and trends in their first year or two of office
economic policy effects take a while to play out---trump's shit's in the fan now--we shall see
now dont get me wrong--our fine country, economy, and financial markets are strong and powerful--stronger than any one president or any dominant political party--we always muddle thru, often in the face of idiots who have power at times---and, if you want to be enfranchised economically, youve got to believe in our markets and our economy--and i believe--and i load the boat often with leveraged exposure to our economy--often when the news cycle is most negative--but now?? i am very wary
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I know you are just responding to Riders comment, but I'm also pretty certain that you realize that the Dow is not indicative of the general economy.
Also, Bush did not create the 6,600 low, that was ultimately the result of the relaxed lending policies. Plenty of blame to go around...
Hi Bean,
Nasdaq, S&P, Russell, all of the indices mirror the Dow in regards to Rider's comment which was essentially that the market has done better under this or other Republican presidents. The opposite is true.
Please also have a look at GDP growth, Employed People, Jobless Claims and average earnings. The facts just don't support anything above continuing a trend (at best).
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/average-hourly-earnings
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Hi Y’all. Just sent in some cash to President Donald J.Trump for his 2020 campaign. Only a few hundred bucks but everything helps, right? Look for me on the beach with my new red MAGA cap. My stocks are through the roof.....Thanks Obama....LOL.....
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Hi Y’all. Just sent in some cash to President Donald J.Trump for his 2020 campaign. Only a few hundred bucks but everything helps, right? Look for me on the beach with my new red MAGA cap. My stocks are through the roof.....Thanks Obama....LOL.....
My father used to say “a fool and his money are soon parted”.
But I don’t believe that you have actually done this. It’s just the beer talking.
Convincing figures from Admin.
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Hi Area.... I have lot’s of friends that a Brits. None of them live there anymore...Wonder Why?
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Hi Area.... I have lot’s of friends that a Brits. None of them live there anymore...Wonder Why?
Because they felt too much pressure over there to punctuate, spell and capitalize correctly?
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oh, do tell, rider---and try to be nice
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Hi Y’all. Just sent in some cash to President Donald J.Trump for his 2020 campaign. Only a few hundred bucks but everything helps, right? Look for me on the beach with my new red MAGA cap. My stocks are through the roof.....Thanks Obama....LOL.....
You are right. You benefit from a strong stock market. So do I. The majority do not. It is wealth inequality 101. I can hear Uncle Sanders' voice, "93.3% of all stock is owned by 20% of the people".
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DStE-xgU8AAJm7w.jpg)
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from cnbc (not socialist fake news):
"In fact, the vast majority of Americans have under $1,000 saved and half of all Americans have nothing at all put away for retirement.
“Nearly half of families have no retirement account savings at all,” the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) reported, even in savings vehicles such as IRAs and 401(k)s. The median for U.S. families is just $5,000, and the median for families with some savings is $60,000.
And, according to a 2016 GOBankingRates survey, 35 percent of all adults in the U.S. have only several hundred dollars in their savings accounts and 34 percent have zero savings.
Even older workers who can see retirement on the horizon aren’t prepared for it. The median savings for families whose wage earners are between 50 and 55 years old is only $8,000. For those who are between 56 and 61, it’s $17,000, reports the Economic Policy Institute." "
me: "retirement" is sad, scary, uncertain story for most of us hard-working, honest americans----it saddens me that swaths of honest, hard-working americans are in this position
a small number of us have been sufficiently lucky, and can retire safely and comfortably, but for most american's "retirement" is a fraught future and/or a dangerous present--and our demographics say this is just beginning to come home to roost----i worry for our country---i dont want our streets filled with sick, old americans, who were nothing but hardworking and honest all their lives---our economy and wealth is too extensive that that shd be allowed to happen--
i pay a lot of taxes--i dont mind, if i have a sense that my taxes are being invested in things that help our country as a whole--i like my taxes going to things like initiatives to insure that honest hardworking americans can retire safely...............
not to places like trump's hare-brained broken turnberry golf shithole
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Hi pdx....It’s good to know you’re there spell checking. Keep up the good work. 8)
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Eric Trump tweeted (back in July), "...for any United States Govt business, we charge our COST and do NOT profit from these stays".
Still, a reckless move for DT to not separate himself from his business ...
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Still what??
You actually believe Erik the Dope??
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No, but it doesn’t matter what I think.
In fact, providing services at less than arms length does not necessarily mitigate conflicts of interest.
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I dont believe erik the dope either--and i think that, if properly investigated, we will find the arrangements to be tawdry and cheesy, all at fullest possible prices, with direct involvement of trump himself---cuz that's the kinda guy trump is................
so far trump turnberry and the airport have been stonewalling and blathering bs--pentagon says it's investigating--seems theyll need to be willing to bare some teeth, given the stonewalling, to get to the bottom of this
can wilbur ross threaten to fire pentagon officials or investigators, in case they actually investigate????
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No, only to the extent that their findings are unfavorable ;D
Honestly, my big concern right now is China, the CCP and Huiwei. I hope we do the right thing, I just wish I knew what the hell that is...
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Hi Y’all. Just sent in some cash to President Donald J.Trump for his 2020 campaign. Only a few hundred bucks but everything helps, right? Look for me on the beach with my new red MAGA cap. My stocks are through the roof.....Thanks Obama....LOL.....
My Attourney Got Arrested?
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our fine country, economy, and financial markets are strong and powerful--stronger than any one president or any dominant political party--
I guarantee you it is not. I think we all have to be vigilant and not accept what is going on.
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agreed, taut---believing in our democracy has to include enthusiastic participation, in the form of voting, and expressing one's opinion, including assembling.
but i also have faith we will muddle through, and our capital markets will survive and function well ongoing--our country/democracy, as weve known it, feels endangered---i believe we will be fine in the end
my stox are up too, not bc of trump, but in spite of trump........
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I'm listening to 21 lessons for the 21st century again--I think this is the third time. Or maybe I read it once and this is the second time listening to it. Anyway, it's an important book. the author, Noah Harai, also wrote Sapiens and Homo Deus, equally important books for anyone who would like some insight on where we came from, where we're going, and what the fuck we're doing now.
It's interesting how it makes the rise of Trumpism and the tangle of Brexit feel not only inevitable but understandable. Unfortunately, with my FIFO brain, the insights will be gone a week after I finish, but I can always start over and it will all be fresh and new. Here's the book report: People feel and are increasingly irrelevant, and so they do stupid and destructive things.
For the details, you'll have to read or listen for yourselves. It's worthwhile.
And yes. it's completely relevant to this thread.