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Title: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 21, 2019, 03:40:07 PM
I gave in to a growing interest and bought one of the F-one Swing wings today.  I could only find a 3.5 but that is a great size for us.  First reaction out of the bag was, holy shit is this thing light.  Scale time.  The Swing is 3 lbs even on my bathroom scale.  Damn!  Our smaller 3 meter Duotone and SPG are 4.6 and 4.8 lbs respectively.    I wonder what the 2.8 weighs.  I am not yet sure how important weight is (as these are all relatively very light)...but I sure am interested to see.  Tomorrow looks solid so we may get to find out :).  It also came with a cool little (3 foot) wrist leash that is just long enough to reach the back strut handle (plus about 6 inches of slack).  I Ordered the rest of the sizes as well.  More soon...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Surfside on August 22, 2019, 03:45:26 AM
Cool, look forward to reading about your experience with it.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: JEG on August 22, 2019, 02:34:15 PM
that is light and could be my 1st wing but the price may not be my liking.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on August 22, 2019, 07:27:46 PM
If that 3.5 wing can fly my 190# a$$ on marginal wind you should be able to foil on it in your conditions. Would be nice to read performance comparison with your duotone
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 23, 2019, 02:30:02 AM
If that 3.5 wing can fly my 190# a$$ on marginal wind you should be able to foil on it in your conditions. Would be nice to read performance comparison with your duotone

Whoah!  We had great (high 20's to low 30's) wind with bigger bumps yesterday and fairly steady.  My first reaction after this one session is that this 3.5 has amazing grunt and lifts like a much bigger wing.  Even so it stays very well behaved and spills air on demand.  It is incredibly light.   It is incredibly light.  See that?  I said that twice.  It has a notably deeper pocket than our other wings.  If I had a 2.8 Swing in the car I would have come back for it.  I thought that size was going to be for Chan only but we are going to need the 2.2 as well :).  My first day experience was very positive but I want to get this out in more modest winds and see if my first reaction holds true. 

You wrote that this is foiling you in marginal winds.  Based on yesterday, it definitely feels like it would.  What are you considering marginal?  When I got off the water I told Chan that I though I might be able to use the 3.5 in 15-20 but I was still in a mild state of shock or as millenials would say, trying to process :). 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Surfside on August 23, 2019, 05:29:03 AM
Sure would like to try one!
https://vimeo.com/353986564
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on August 23, 2019, 05:43:55 AM
Whoah!  We had great (high 20's to low 30's) wind with bigger bumps yesterday and fairly steady.  My first reaction after this one session is that this 3.5 has amazing grunt and lifts like a much bigger wing.  Even so it stays very well behaved and spills air on demand.  It is incredibly light.   It is incredibly light.  See that?  I said that twice.  It has a notably deeper pocket than our other wings.  If I had a 2.8 Swing in the car I would have come back for it.  I thought that size was going to be for Chan only but we are going to need the 2.2 as well :).  My first day experience was very positive but I want to get this out in more modest winds and see if my first reaction holds true. 

You wrote that this is foiling you in marginal winds.  Based on yesterday, it definitely feels like it would.  What are you considering marginal?  When I got off the water I told Chan that I though I might be able to use the 3.5 in 15-20 but I was still in a mild state of shock or as millenials would say, trying to process :).

We have a 5.0 Duotone and were thinking of getting an F-One Swing 3.5 but now that I read this we might be better off with a 2.8 Swing???
We don't want to much overlap but a gap that is too big is also not good.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on August 23, 2019, 06:13:24 AM
What are you considering marginal?  When I got off the water I told Chan that I though I might be able to use the 3.5 in 15-20 but I was still in a mild state of shock or as millenials would say, trying to process :).

A consistent 15 is marginal for us. From next month and all through Fall we usually get storms and that means 30's-60's. After feeling the power of that wing at 15 I would not go with a 3.5 when a storm comes for a visit. a 2.2 might be in our future.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 23, 2019, 06:52:37 AM
What are you considering marginal?  When I got off the water I told Chan that I though I might be able to use the 3.5 in 15-20 but I was still in a mild state of shock or as millenials would say, trying to process :).

A consistent 15 is marginal for us

Using a 3.5 for 15 would be a dream.  I have been using a 5 for anything under 20 and 4 for 20+.  My 5 is terrific but it is a big feeling wing.  If I could get into that territory on this paperweight 3.5 I would be beyond stoked. 

Watching that video I realized what I am doing wrong.  I need to be listening to poppy punk.  Yesterday I had Bell-bottom Blues in my head.  I am pretty sure that Clapton is keeping me slow.  Do you want to see me crawl across the floor...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 02:59:31 AM
Some more reactions after 3 days on the Swing 3.5.  It is indeed more powerful than our other wings.  It lifts more and more forward (more front hand).  That is pretty cool because it sets you up to weight that front foot and it keeps the sheet action very light.

Unlike the Duotone, it is no problem switching back and forth from the SPG to the Swing and it is very interesting to do so.  The Duotone has an odd behavior in that it flies wildly rightside up (from the leash or the leading edge handle).  That requires different management than the other wings which are very stable rightside up. 

There are only 3 handles on the Swing which I like a lot.  I am now looking at a lot of the wings that are out there and seeing a bunch of handles that I could never see using.  I bet that will change going forward.  On the Swing I basically use two handles (the front and the back) and really only use the inner back handle for arranging starts.  There is a learning curve with the front handle because when you are doing transitions your new hand has to replace the old hand in the single front handle.  That took me a few tries :). 

The mini leash is really cool as well.  I am sold on that.  These little things matter a lot.  I had been using a short leash off of a waist belt but this is too short for that and is designed for the wrist.  The best thing is that the wrist collar is set up for easy wrist slip through and tension.  Trying to get a standard Velcro leash with two free ends tight with one hand is tricky and often ends up in a loose leash.  This minor design tweak is really welcomed.  I am finding that I can usually just tug the leash once and go straight to the front strut handle.  The wing is light and balanced enough to do that.  This avoids reeling in a longer leash and more importantly I often don't need to use the leading edge handle at all.  That speeds up starts a lot which is really nice when the swell is knocking you around a lot (and it has been :)  ).

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 25, 2019, 06:27:51 AM
Here is the leash I found to be perfect for us. Like you have found, the cuff that you just slip over the wrist is ideal. This leash has another cool feature where the leash to cuff attachment can bend 90 degrees. Way less annoying.

We have the luxury of shopping at the worlds largest surf shop (Ron Jon) here in Cocoa Beach. They probably have 50 body board leashes to chose from.

https://www.hydrosportz.com/leashes

https://youtu.be/cYg5l87uumE
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 07:05:54 AM
Hi Dwight,

Yeah that is the collar type and it is awesome.  I forgot to mention that the Swing leash is a thin woven leash that has a slight elastic inner so that it gives about 8 inches before hard stop.  It is extremely light and flexes 360 degrees.  It eliminates all of the hard plastic parts and metal joints.  It has no coils so it is as minimal as it gets.  Becuase they are including one with each wing you can keep one attached to each wing.  One less thing at setup :).  I know that I am waxing on about the leash but leashes were my least favorite part of wingsurf gear and this is a really good fit for me.  I have also settled on a 6' FCS freedom leash for the board.
 https://www.surffcs.com/products/fcs-freedom-leash .  This is also really minimal.  I have been using that on a waist belt but I may ditch the belt now. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 25, 2019, 08:19:31 AM
That F-One leash looks nice!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: toejammer2 on August 25, 2019, 08:34:52 AM
How about price? I could only find one listed for $899.00 Does that sound right?
Iím about ready to cancel my place on ďthe listĒ for the Duotone 5m if I can find a suitable replacement.
Cheers
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 09:05:24 AM
How about price? I could only find one listed for $899.00 Does that sound right?
Iím about ready to cancel my place on ďthe listĒ for the Duotone 5m if I can find a suitable replacement.
Cheers

I paid $749 for the 2.8, $799 for the 3.5, $849 for the 4.2 and $899 for the 5.0
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: toejammer2 on August 25, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
Thanks!
Is there someone in the gorge who actually has them in stock?
Thanks!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 02:21:54 PM
Thanks!
Is there someone in the gorge who actually has them in stock?
Thanks!

I don't believe so.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 25, 2019, 03:11:33 PM
On August 14th, when this was posted, Windance said they had stock. Listen to the end. I guess Admin bought them all.  ;D

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B1KG_wEH_sq/?igshid=6bf4ne0m4ap8
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 03:29:14 PM
On August 14th, when this was posted, Windance said they had stock. Listen to the end. I guess Admin bought them all.  ;D

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B1KG_wEH_sq/?igshid=6bf4ne0m4ap8

Hah!  I wish.  I only have a 3.5.  I am waiting on the 3 other sizes.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: ninja tuna on August 26, 2019, 08:09:04 AM
Windance is sold out and waiting for a second shipment.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on August 31, 2019, 12:32:11 AM
Admin

Any further news on the Swing?
You have said that the wing has a lot of grunt for its size. Any thoughts on how the 3.5 swing might compare to the Duotone 4?
How do you think durability will go? Does it feel like any compromises come with the lower weight, or is that just through removing handles etc?
After your posts, Iím wondering whether the swing 4.2 might be a better option than a 5m....
Cheers

Hamish
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 31, 2019, 02:49:17 AM
Admin

Any further news on the Swing?
You have said that the wing has a lot of grunt for its size. Any thoughts on how the 3.5 swing might compare to the Duotone 4?
How do you think durability will go? Does it feel like any compromises come with the lower weight, or is that just through removing handles etc?
After your posts, Iím wondering whether the swing 4.2 might be a better option than a 5m....
Cheers

Hamish

Hi Hamish,

I have 6 days on the 3.5 Swing now.  Yesterday was a great test because it was going from very light inside (partially blocked by an upwind island) to good wind (22-27ish) on the far side of the river.  I moved up to an Axis 1020 (new foil for me) which has more lift than what I had been using.  With this combo the 3.5 will lift me up in some surprisingly light wind.  I definitely would have been fine with the 2.8 on the far side (and this was good wind but far from really windy).  Right now I feel like 4.2 will get me out in really light wind and 5.0, well l guess I will see when it shows up but from what I am feeling with the 3.5 I would think that it would work with a breath of air. 

It goes without saying that this sport is very gear sensitive.  I am sure there are sports with more gear variables but this is getting up there.  You can really throttle yourself with the wrong gear and diagnosing the issue may take experience that you just don't have (yes, that was autobiographical).  I mention that because your underwater kit will matter a lot as will your weight and body size.  That said if I could only own one Swing here in the Gorge, it would be 3.5.  15-18 is great on this wing.  If I were in a lighter wind spot I would choose the 4.2 (but this is a guess based on the 3.5 because I have never even held one). 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 01, 2019, 02:48:00 AM
How do you think durability will go? Does it feel like any compromises come with the lower weight, or is that just through removing handles etc?

The weight savings is from heavy part exclusion.  There are no extra handles or angle handles, no boom or second strut, no battens, no anti flutter panels or inflatable trailing edges. 

The canopy material is double ripstop and the leading edge materiel looks and feels to be the same as on our Duotone and SPG.  All of these wings show great craftsmanship in sewing and details.  Each uses abrasion panels at the wingtips. 

In our experience these wings are getting damaged in one way.  Hitting an upturned foil.  That will go through the canopy.  We haven't had this happen on the Swing yet as we try to be very careful about this now. 

The other thing that could damage a wing is dragging.  Things get a little unwieldy when you are carrying a board with foil and a wing over uneven and sometimes slippery launch environments.  Dragging can happen even when you have planned well.  For me the Swings are proving helpful here in two ways.  1.  They are very light so they remain flying in almost no wind which helps keep them from dragging.  2. I am toting a 3.5 where  I would have previously been on a 5.0.  It is just way less cumbersome.

I was initially a skeptic about how much of an advantage there would be to very light weight (because these wings are all relatively light).  In CNN speak, I have evolved :).  In my mind this is a huge benefit in every way. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: GL on September 01, 2019, 04:43:15 AM
Most of my launches make it almost impossible to carry the wing and board into the water together. To make this easier I made up a small anchor with some lead weights, a couple of feet of line and a large carabiner. The line floats. I carry the wing upside down into the water with the weights attached to the leading edge handle. I then let it float there anchored while I get the board.  In the water I unhook the anchor and leave it there for the end of my session. This has made my entry and exit from water much easier.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 01, 2019, 06:15:42 AM
Most of my launches make it almost impossible to carry the wing and board into the water together. To make this easier I made up a small anchor with some lead weights, a couple of feet of line and a large carabiner. The line floats. I carry the wing upside down into the water with the weights attached to the leading edge handle. I then let it float there anchored while I get the board.  In the water I unhook the anchor and leave it there for the end of my session. This has made my entry and exit from water much easier.

Wow, OK, I have to do that. Why I didn't think of that I have to put down to pure laziness. I look like an impending disaster getting into and out of the water.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on September 02, 2019, 02:35:48 AM
How do you think durability will go? Does it feel like any compromises come with the lower weight, or is that just through removing handles etc?

The weight savings is from heavy part exclusion.  There are no extra handles or angle handles, no boom or second strut, no battens, no anti flutter panels or inflatable trailing edges. 




Thanks Admin for your full answers there. Most appreciated!

Iím a bit worried about durability as one my one go with a wing it was getting a little beaten and run over by the front of my board (I was having a learnerís nightmare). But it sounds like FOne have lost weight without sacrificing too much in the durability department. Iíll look forward to reading about how you go when the other wings arrive!

Cheers
Hamish
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 02, 2019, 03:55:22 AM
Hamish, canopies are the weak spot.

They come 4 types.
1x1 strand reinforced
2x2
3x4
4x4

The 4x4 is the most crispy canopy, and from my experience, lasts longer. It just feels tougher.  2x2 feels like a bed sheet after using 4x4 canopy. Manufacturers use techno marketing BS to describe these differences.

All based on my kite experience.

I donít know whatís in all these wing dings.

Count the strand pattern in the canopy, when you see one up close.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on September 02, 2019, 04:16:30 AM
Iím a bit worried about durability as one my one go with a wing it was getting a little beaten and run over by the front of my board (I was having a learnerís nightmare). But it sounds like FOne have lost weight without sacrificing too much in the durability department. Iíll look forward to reading about how you go when the other wings arrive!

Cheers
Hamish

My F-One had few run-ins with my fins, not to mention the few times I landed on it clean full weight.
I also had the pleasure of dragging it on some hard surfaces.

I'm trying hard to avoid all that but luckily the wing is intact and still a joy to use.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: cnski on September 09, 2019, 08:16:09 PM
Windance should be getting their second shipment in soon. Anyone heard?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 10, 2019, 07:12:41 AM
Here is a picture showing the very different approaches by F-One, Duotone and Ozone.  One thing that sticks out to me is that F-one has taken a higher aspect approach which is using a more linear inflatable leading edge and less leading edge material than the more "D" shaped lower aspect wings (which are carrying the inflated leading edge back to almost the full width of the wing). It also shows the depth differences that are shaped into the wings.  You can see how significant the forward pocket is on the f-one.  Pretty cool.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: eastbound on September 10, 2019, 07:22:36 AM
nuther one to the dark side! burchas!!

im watching
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 10, 2019, 07:44:57 AM
I like that bit of cloth separating the wing halves and shaping the wing away from the strut that the F One has. I keep meaning to go talk to the guys at airtime about adding it to my Duotones. I think I can do that without compromising the boom much-- just use narrow velcro attachments and arced cutaways near the boom. One attachment in the front behind the likely front hand grip area, and one in the back, past the furthest like back hand grab.

this is probably the kind of mods a beginner would think about, that once I'm up to speed I'd never want to do. That's mostly what's keeping me from doing it. Well, that and laziness/distraction.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on September 10, 2019, 08:29:21 AM
nuther one to the dark side! burchas!!

im watching

That's why I'm on the bright neon yellow easty, it makes things a lot less darker :D
Stop watching and join the party, the cost of admission fairly low.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 10, 2019, 04:34:01 PM
Oooooh!  FedEx just emailed that my 5.0 is arriving here on Thursday.  Pretty sure that with me on the Swing 5 and Chan on the 3.5 we will be winging on soft breezes and little ripples.  Looking forward to that!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 10, 2019, 06:34:26 PM
That was quick. I think you're going to need to talk Chan into a drysuit. She did not look comfy this afternoon. I forget what a big advantage it is in the cold water to be a lardass. While I was taking off my 2/3 shorty spring suit all the windsurfers were looking at me as if I couldn't afford the massive suits of armor with hoods that they were all wearing. The water was as warm, it was 65 out, and everyone looked like they were going to have to break ice to get in the water.

ORCA SUIT!! ORCA SUIT!!

Of course, when it really gets cold I'll get the hell out of here and go to Maui.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 11, 2019, 04:52:09 AM
I think people sometimes choose their suits based on calendar not weather.  It was 72 degrees out with 70 degree water and there were drysuits!  Now that's a way to lose some weight.  I was comfy in my shorty for two hours.  Wetsuits make me useless so my plan is to go shorty until I can't stand it and then neoprene shorts and a long sleeve top until that becomes painful. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 12, 2019, 10:01:10 AM
Crikey!  The 5.0 just arrived and it is 4.2 lbs.  Wow!  That is .4 lbs lighter than our other 3 meter wings.  Very stoked to get this thing out in some light air.  This afternoon may just work.  :)

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Fishman on September 12, 2019, 12:16:19 PM
Crikey!  The 5.0 just arrived and it is 4.2 lbs.  Wow!  That is .4 lbs lighter than our other 3 meter wings.  :)
Wow that is light. Better make sure they put a bladder in it lol. I think a f-one wing will be in my future.

Weighed my Gong 7m. it's 7 lbs 9oz and another 7oz for the batons. So a little over 1 pound per meter,  but only 9 oz's per handle ???
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 12, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
Crikey!  The 5.0 just arrived and it is 4.2 lbs.  Wow!  That is .4 lbs lighter than our other 3 meter wings.  :)
Wow that is light. Better make sure they put a bladder in it lol. I think a f-one wing will be in my future.

Weighed my Gong 7m. it's 7 lbs 9oz and another 7oz for the batons. So a little over 1 pound per meter,  but only 9 oz's per handle ???

Donít use the battens. You donít need them. Maybe if you weighted 280 lbs, but you donít.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Fishman on September 12, 2019, 03:39:39 PM
Crikey!  The 5.0 just arrived and it is 4.2 lbs.  Wow!  That is .4 lbs lighter than our other 3 meter wings.  :)
Wow that is light. Better make sure they put a bladder in it lol. I think a f-one wing will be in my future.

Weighed my Gong 7m. it's 7 lbs 9oz and another 7oz for the batons. So a little over 1 pound per meter,  but only 9 oz's per handle ???

Donít use the battens. You donít need them. Maybe if you weighted 280 lbs, but you donít.
Thanks, good to know. I'd rather not mess with them if I don't have to.

I was wondering. I thought maybe if I needed to pump the wing In light wind that the battens could help with that.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: JEG on September 13, 2019, 12:36:14 AM
that Fone is light.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 13, 2019, 06:12:34 AM
My eyes are open!  I had a quick session on the new 5 yesterday afternoon.  When I went out there was a thin strip of whitecaps in the center of the river and none out to the banks.  iWindsurf was reading 6 to 13 on my phone.  I was fully powered.  There was only one other guy out.  He is a (very good) windsurf foiler.  He was on a 5.3 with a big Moses foil and he was struggling to waterstart.  Unfortunately, my leg was completely dead when I launched due to 82 degree temps when I started and by the time I cooled down the wind had picked up to 12 to 18 (which was already a handful) and then went higher.  I did get a few really fun rides on the far side but I was basically hiding from the wind by then.  When I came in I was very overpowered.  This 5 is going to be my ultra light wind wing (8-14).  From this quick session I am figuring that the 4.2 (which I don't have yet) will be my 12 to 18 wing.  the 3.5 is perfect for 16-24 and I am guessing that I will use the 2.8 for 20-28.  I can't imagine myself needing something larger than this 5 and I can guarantee that Chan will never use it.  We would find her in Idaho. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 13, 2019, 09:30:54 AM
She could use that as a hang glider.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 13, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
I a guessing she will never need the 4.2.  The 3.5 will likely be her big wing :).  We are going to need the 2.2 for sure but I don't think those are in production yet (just asked F-one about those). 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 13, 2019, 10:59:01 AM
I assume knots
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 13, 2019, 11:06:09 AM
Anyone using the harness line on the F-One Swing? I believe that feature is unique to the Swing compared to all other wings.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 13, 2019, 02:56:40 PM
I just got back from the most surreal session.  Got to the (empty) beach at 11:00 and no one is there.  Spotty 15 with gusts to 20 and lulls to 10 (MPH).  I go out on my 3.5 Swing and my Axis 1020 and it is intermittent but really fun.  The lulls wouldn't get me up but the far side was filled in and awesome.  Got some great runs over there and my off-side was even working now and then.  That is new and that alone would have made for a great day.  Around noon the wind drops hard.  No white caps.  The lulls are about 8 MPH and the average feels like 12, 13 MPH.  But, after yesterday I am stoked to try the 5.  Luckily I am near shore, do a 5 minute rerig (crazy, but that is all it takes) and I am back out on the 5.  This is where it goes to 11.  The water is so amazingly smooth.  Just baby 3-4 inch ripple/chop.  I see a little lift coming and when it is on me I pump a few times for the most resistance free take off ever.  Not an obstacle around.  No swell, no current, no people, nada.  I could see the end of the cat's paw that I was riding and as I passed through it I leg pump once and that extra boost glides me 15 feet past the edge and then lets me softly down.  This is when I holler.  The wind would improve for solid periods and then let off to puff riding but holy shit.  Being a beginner at something that fights you this hard is so fun because the new highs are so rewarding and so new.  We had to go and I missed it when the wind came back up but I didn't care at all.  I love this sport.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 13, 2019, 03:50:43 PM
Did you snag the Axis 1000 wing? Get one before they are gone. I was switching back and forth between the 1020 and 1000 today winging in 15-25 with the 4m. Trying to learn the ins and outs of the two wings. Oh boy, is the super glider 1000 a dream winging. It takes a little shove from a wave to pop it up, but then it just flies through anything, like a hot knife in butter slick water. It looks close to the GL-210 in size.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 13, 2019, 04:02:00 PM
No, you know, wait a second...OK, now yes.  A 1000 and a 900 for Chan.  I hope they are still in stock because September is proving to be an awesome month and October could be epic :).  What tail and fuselage are you using with the 1000?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 13, 2019, 04:23:15 PM
Gear slut.

Yes, today was awesome. I went to Rock Creek and it was light. Looked too light but I went on the five and in what felt like 15mph I popped up with just a couple of wing pumps and floated effortlessly across the river. Smooth as glass, like levitating. It was nearly a religious experience.

I did OK on the backside coming back, got a few long rides and a lot of short ones--the up, level out, lose it a little and recover going downwind kind. I didn't fall. Did a creditable semi-foiling jibe, got solidly up, and drifted across the river again. Holy shit, this is cool. I did a bunch of steering, getting used to turning a little harder, some short downwind jaunts, tried a foiling jibe, totally lost everything. I just laid there in the water and yelled.

The wind came up unfortunately, and I started being overpowered. I was still having fun, but my shoulders were going south rapidly. My last run back I fell in and realized I was a long way upwind from the creek. I turned downwind and rode on my knees. Then I realized there were some pretty good swells, so I pumped a little, caught a swell, and popped up on the foil on my knees. The wing made it easy to control the board, so I stayed on my knees up on the foil, until I got to the takeout.

That was cool. Every second. Silly fun. But my shoulders are killing me.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 13, 2019, 04:51:48 PM
  What tail and fuselage are you using with the 1000?

Short fuselage and 440 tail. For no particular reason, other than just trying things.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on September 13, 2019, 07:50:43 PM
Stoked to hear the 5s are going well!
Admin any chance of a wingspan measurement on the F-one? Or if you are feeling generous, a picture of the FOne laid over the duotone (I think you have both?).

Iím taking it from the descriptions that the bigger wings arenít too bad to handle in the light winds...?

Iím Really enjoying reading about the journey from you and Phono, and Iím looking forward to hearing how the 4.2 goes.

Cheers HB
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 14, 2019, 08:03:29 AM
Stoked to hear the 5s are going well!
Admin any chance of a wingspan measurement on the F-one? Or if you are feeling generous, a picture of the FOne laid over the duotone (I think you have both?).

Iím taking it from the descriptions that the bigger wings arenít too bad to handle in the light winds...?

Iím Really enjoying reading about the journey from you and Phono, and Iím looking forward to hearing how the 4.2 goes.

Cheers HB

Hi HB,

I am not sure that it is going to be that helpful to compare the wings by area.  These Swings pack a lot of juice so I am using a smaller size than I would have previously expected and the low wind potential is phenomenal.  I am interested to hear how other people are finding that difference but there is certainly a multiplication (division) factor that needs to be applied.

I can say that in this ultra light wind range the size of the 5.0 Swing is no problem.  The water is so smooth in these conditions and the wind is so subtle that everything feels relatively soft and easy.  I was out there damning whoever posted that cruisy video the other day.  I could not fight that song off.  If there's one thing in my life that's missing NO its the time that I spend alone STOP, get out Sailing on the cool and bright clear water  Ah, shit.

This light wind side of the sport may be my favorite.  It is a really incredible feeling.  I am still buzzed from my session yesterday.  The cool thing is how this will open things up in lighter wind areas.  We were just visiting Cape Cod and also Chicago and both places had plenty of days that were 5.0 Swing conditions.  Most places with water will be in play.  How cool is that?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Chan on September 14, 2019, 09:33:28 AM
I'm interested in finding out how these work for smaller wingers.   Anyone under 120lb try these?  Do they have too much loft?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 14, 2019, 11:44:11 AM
I'm interested in finding out how these work for smaller wingers.   Anyone under 120lb try these?  Do they have too much loft?

Have you not seen Bonzaigrom  ;D

Seriously though, no worries. Jacky can ride anything I can ride. She just stands farther forward on the board. It really is that simple.

As for these super glider wings, the amazing trick with them, is no feeling of blowing out, or hitting a top end. Where as a draggy fat wing, being pushed faster than ideal, puts you in a nose down flying position.

Youíll handle wind gusts with no pitching up from the wing. Thatís why guys are freaking out over tow surfing with them. Same with kiters trying them. They just stay steady eddy, and glide forever. I rode mine again this morning in the tropical storm gust fest. 4m wing at the scary limit. I only had to concentrate on wing. The 1000 Axis was immune to gusts.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1xi4fXnEqD/?igshid=11g7iniv1ysvt
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 14, 2019, 03:07:18 PM
Just to be clear...even though Jacky can ride what I ride, she does ride one wing size smaller than me.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on September 15, 2019, 12:42:51 AM
These Swings pack a lot of juice so I am using a smaller size than I would have previously expected and the low wind potential is phenomenal.  I am interested to hear how other people are finding that difference but there is certainly a multiplication (division) factor that needs to be applied.

This light wind side of the sport may be my favorite.  It is a really incredible feeling.  I am still buzzed from my session yesterday.  The cool thing is how this will open things up in lighter wind areas.  We were just visiting Cape Cod and also Chicago and both places had plenty of days that were 5.0 Swing conditions.  Most places with water will be in play.  How cool is that?

How does the wind range of the 5.0 Swing  compare to that of the Duotone 5.0?
I have a 5.0 Duotone  and need about 15 knots  and would really love to go in 12 knots...

And did you have to get used  to having just 4 handles?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 15, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
These Swings pack a lot of juice so I am using a smaller size than I would have previously expected and the low wind potential is phenomenal.  I am interested to hear how other people are finding that difference but there is certainly a multiplication (division) factor that needs to be applied.

This light wind side of the sport may be my favorite.  It is a really incredible feeling.  I am still buzzed from my session yesterday.  The cool thing is how this will open things up in lighter wind areas.  We were just visiting Cape Cod and also Chicago and both places had plenty of days that were 5.0 Swing conditions.  Most places with water will be in play.  How cool is that?

How does the wind range of the 5.0 Swing  compare to that of the Duotone 5.0?
I have a 5.0 Duotone  and need about 15 knots  and would really love to go in 12 knots...

And did you have to get used  to having just 4 handles?

Have you been able to get any extra pull from your Duotone by shortening the boom length?  We don't have the 5 meter Duotone.  Bill has that one.  On the Swing 5 Meter and Axis 1020 12 knots (14 MPH) is working.  We both had a lot of fun on it again yesterday in silly-light wind.  Chan took it out (yes, I am painfully aware that I just wrote that this would never occur) and blew my mind.  She was foiling out on puddle ripples.  That was her first session on a Swing and when she came in she had the look on her face.  Time for, a cool ch  Damnit
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on September 15, 2019, 04:43:55 AM
Especially in (very) light winds it is very nice to have a very light wing so that it keeps flying, much easier on the shoulders.

I guess I am looking for reasons to get a 5.0 Swing...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 15, 2019, 05:18:06 AM
What is the weight of your Duotone 5 with the boom?

About the handles, no I don't miss the extra handles.  There are only 3 handles on the strut of the Swing.  One for the front hand and two for the rear hand.  On the first day it took me a minute to get used to swapping hands in that single front handle during Jibes.  I really only use two of the 3 handles for riding.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Chan on September 17, 2019, 07:17:03 AM
Thanks for the info, DW.  I got to try the 5 in 5-15 and was shocked at how much fun and powerful it was.  At 120lbs, it only takes about 6mph wind speeds to get foiling and at 10mph it can really generate some speed.  The reduced weight is helpful for smaller riders when using the larger size wings.  I tried the 3.5 in 10-25 and over 20 itís a handful.  Iím hoping to get my hands on a 2.2 soon for windier conditions.   
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 17, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
I have the Swing 5 coming today and was wondering if anyone hooked up a harness line and if so what did you use to do it?

I understand first hand the benefits of the harness line as I noticed a huge difference in pull with my Slingwing when trying to go upwind as much as possible vs. just cruising or going downwind.

So I do intend to put a harness line on it and am wondering if anyone has experience with that?

Thanks
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: GL on September 19, 2019, 02:07:33 PM
Supkailua, I also have the Slingwing. I agree the pull on your arms increases dramatically if you try to point high upwind. What I started to do was gain speed then point upwind and as I start to lose speed bear off a bit gain speed then point hard upwind that way I could make decent upwind without having great pull on my arms. I really like my Slingwing but would like something for wind under 16 knots. I would be interested to know once you have your 5 meter swing if it is a nice fit for lighter winds without too much overlap. Thanks.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 19, 2019, 02:40:39 PM
GL,

I found the pull from the Swing 5 in 15 mph to 16 mph gusts to be similar to the pull from the Slingwing when it is gusting 19 mph to 20 mph. So the Swing 5 has a lot more pull during lower winds.

I do not have enough experience yet to say what is the minimum wind I will need. I can certainly go in 15 mph gusts and up. Under that I need more experience.

If the wind is gusting 19+ mph I would prefer to be on the Slingwing. The Swing 5 will have way too much power in those winds. I found the Slingwing to be really stable to hold in higher winds.

Regarding going upwind with the Swing 5 I stayed up wind pretty easily so I might not need that extreme upwind angle that requires the harness. Only time will tell once I get really comfortable on it how my arms and shoulders feel after a 2 to 3 hour session.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 19, 2019, 04:45:13 PM
GL,

I found the pull from the Swing 5 in 15 mph to 16 mph gusts to be similar to the pull from the Slingwing when it is gusting 19 mph to 20 mph. So the Swing 5 has a lot more pull during lower winds.

I do not have enough experience yet to say what is the minimum wind I will need. I can certainly go in 15 mph gusts and up. Under that I need more experience.

If the wind is gusting 19+ mph I would prefer to be on the Slingwing. The Swing 5 will have way too much power in those winds. I found the Slingwing to be really stable to hold in higher winds.

Regarding going upwind with the Swing 5 I stayed up wind pretty easily so I might not need that extreme upwind angle that requires the harness. Only time will tell once I get really comfortable on it how my arms and shoulders feel after a 2 to 3 hour session.

Good to hear.  What is your weight?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 19, 2019, 04:58:16 PM
Weight is 160 lbs.

Foil is Slingshot Infinity 84 cm carbon front wing, long fuselage, and large 48 cm back wing, 90 cm mast.

Board is 7'8" Slingshot Air Strike, 31" Wide, 145 L.

Once I am no longer a beginner on the wing I might consider a different board but right now I have very choppy water and I like a board I can stand on without falling off. This board also allows me to cruise back to the beach on the water even when the wind drops too low to foil.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: GL on September 19, 2019, 05:23:55 PM
Thanks Supkailua. Based on what you said I might look for a bigger wing than the Swing 5 meter. If you like the Infinity 84, if you get a chance try the Infinity 99. I liked the 84 but love the 99. It gets me going earlier and is more stable for me. I use the long fuselage as well. It makes everything smoother and easier for me.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 19, 2019, 05:41:08 PM
GL, I would not base your final decision on what I say as I am a beginner with only one time on the Swing 5. Heading out now for session 2.

They talk about a 8 knot minimum for the Swing 5 in this video so I have hopes for some lighter wind riding.

https://youtu.be/573wZY7Wcpg

I am considering the Infinity 99. My concern is on swells if it will be hard to keep down. On larger swells riding from the top I already have problems keeping the 84 down. If I catch the swell from the bottom and let it push me it does fine. I believe my top speed with the 84 is about 20 mph.

I might consider riding both wings so on larger swell days I ride the 84 and on smaller days the 99.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: GL on September 19, 2019, 05:54:17 PM
On larger swells I do have more trouble keeping the 99 in the water. No problem riding into them or across them but once I drop down I tend to breach. I am also relatively new to wing foiling, although  I have lots of kite foiling and windfoiling experience.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 20, 2019, 02:40:14 AM
GL, I would not base your final decision on what I say as I am a beginner with only one time on the Swing 5. Heading out now for session 2.

Let us know how session 2 goes.  I am confident that under 15 will happen for you at 160 lbs.  We have a 4.2 coming today.  YEEEHAW!  That is good because Chan has rights to the 3.5 and I need something to rig down to until we can get the smaller wings :).
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 20, 2019, 06:14:43 AM
Session 2 was great. Nice improvements on being more comfortable and starting to get more of that surfing feeling as I get more comfortable with the wing.

I could get going under with 14 mph gusts in session 2 but only the direction of the swell. Going against the swell I did not get going, but I am pretty sure that is a skill issue as I need a better stance on the board and better pumping of the board along with the wing.

At under 15 mph gusts there is not a lot of energy to waste and one has to get going before the gust is over, and I am not there yet when going out against the swell.

Chan mentioned 6 mph wind speed to get foiling with the Swing 5 which is incredible! I assume that is downwind with a swell and perfect pumping technique.

It would be good to get a detailed description of how to pump when it is under 10 knots. I am not sure if short pumps or long ones are better with my arms, how high or low to hold the wing while pumping, what type of foot pressure is needed to properly pump the board, and timing in terms of as you pull down on the wing what should my legs be doing on the board at the same time.

If any experts read this a slow motion light wind pumping video with narration saying what they are doing on would be extremely helpful.

Glad to hear you are getting the 4.2 today!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 20, 2019, 06:33:46 AM
At 230 I'm in a different class, but here's a few things. Downwind with the swells there's damned little power available from the wing. I get my best light air results with a beam reach, or maybe a bit downwind from that.

Long wing pumps build board speed, short ones get you up on the foil.

That's it, that's all I know. Oh, wait, pushing forward with your front foot at the end of a pump is useful, and I did a little accidental cheat move yesterday when I was breifly becalmed that I'll try again--I turned more or less straight downwind, brought my feet together, parallel stance, midway between normal front foot position and mast, and then swept the board and wing into a turn to starboard in a micro-gust, accelerating on a bump. I popped right up on the foil, hopped into a more normal stance, and was able to foil away with a lot of wing pumping. As much of a surprise to me as it might have been to a spectator.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 20, 2019, 09:14:35 AM
Chan mentioned 6 mph wind speed to get foiling with the Swing 5 which is incredible! I assume that is downwind with a swell and perfect pumping technique.

Chan is TINY.  The was no swell or chop.  She was out on tiny ripples.  I took out the wing first when it was 10-15 and I was foiling intermittently.  It died back to where I couldn't foil anymore and then Chan went out with that wing and my board and foil (Axis 1020).  It was actually funny looking with her on that big wing but she was off and flying.  That is a really big wing for her and the foil is bigger than any she has ever used.  We are very new still so I guarantee that strong technique is not at play.  In that video you posted Tituan mentions that he was using the 3.5 in that Ho'okipa wave video in under under 10 knots.  We watched him cruise figure 8's through a group of other wingers who were standing still on larger gear at an Event site demo.  It was under 10 MPH and he was on a 4.2.  That guy has some massive skills.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 20, 2019, 09:47:19 AM
Thanks Admin and PonoBill!

I studied the first 30 seconds of this video as it seems to have one of the best light wind water starts that I could find.

There are other water start videos out there but many of them have so much wind that minimal pumping is needed.

https://youtu.be/8XLpQ-ti17A

I noticed the pump is full and fast. Arms go all the way out and all the way in.

At the same time he seems to be lifting the nose of the board up each time he pull in. So all the weight on the back leg each time he is pulling in with the wing.

I am not sure if this only works on a smaller board but I will try it with my 7'8" Airstrike and see if it helps.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 20, 2019, 03:03:01 PM
I had an awesome session today.  It was overcast and a little hard to get a read on the wind condition.  I was excited to rig the new 4.2 and got right to it.  Chan went out on the Swing 3.5.  It turned out that it was 18-24 and I knew that I would be happier on the 3.5 but Chan is in love (LOVE) with that thing and she doesn't have a smaller Swing.  I wasn't going to break up that romance so I went in and swapped out for my new Axis 1000 wing with a 440 rear and went back out on the 4.2.  Yow!   That thing is super fun.  After a while Chan called it and I grabbed her board with the Axis 920, 440 rear and the 3.5 Swing.  I confirmed to myself how much I love her board size.  It is 5'10 x 25 and it feels super nimble and controllable.  It is noticeably faster on the surface (probably just due to so much less drag) than my 6'6 and is easier to pump.   In the air it is really nice to have all that extra material missing.  I can't wait to get the 1020 and the 1000 wings on that board.  I am starting to see what my next board will look like :).
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 20, 2019, 07:33:57 PM
Admin, sounds like a great session.

The Swing web page lists the 5 going all the way up to 25 knots of wind. Does anyone have experience with it in 18 to 20 knots or higher? I am trying to understand if 18 to 20 knots is still OK for the 5.0 for someone just learning?

I am confused on board sizes. There are 7'6", 6'6", 5' 10", and smaller. So what size is the best for light winds?

The larger size would float better and higher on the water, but maybe the increased size has more drag. The smaller size might sink a bit so it could have more drag to start but maybe less once some speed is achieved.

From SUP surfing I know the longer boards catch the smaller swells easier and sooner. The long SUP board catches swells that short board riders can't catch. Does the length help when catching swells while getting lifted by the foil?

In my last session I could get foiling fairly easily if I had a swell pushing me at the same time as a gust. You can see it in the water, if the area in front of you is downhill just a bit, it made it easy to go. Coming out against the swells though I could not get going. I am wonder if my long 7'6" board played a part in that. It is not as long as my 10'6" SUP paddle board, but long for a SUP foil board.

Is there an optimum board size in light wind for riders in the 160 lb range?

Right now I am enjoying the stability of the 7'6" board. I have to move my feet at times, and I believe the smaller the board, the more sensitive it becomes to moving the feet, so the 7'6" is probably easier in that regard, but is it keeping me from starting in lighter winds?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 21, 2019, 02:41:55 AM
It sounds like you are doing great on your 7'6.  Possibly stick with it for a month or two and then when everything feels super comfortable on that board try something smaller.  You will know right away if it adds something. My goal is to keep moving down in size and keeping myself a little uncomfortable while I am still deep in the learning process. 

I used the 5 in 20-25 a few days ago.  It was too much.  I switched straight down to the 3.5 which was much better.  It was pretty nasty wind and we called it pretty early on.  That was not a progress day :).  I think that the manufacturer ranges are a little difficult to use because you have riders of such different sizes.  The 5 may be perfect in those conditions for a 220 lb dude.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 21, 2019, 05:28:35 PM
Admin, that sounds like good advice. Right now I feel I have a lot to work on as I get the feel of the wing and work on jibing in the air. So I have many challenges ahead so adding a smaller board which would be more challenging will be done after I have completed all those other challenges.

For me I want the easiest and earliest take off possible in light winds. If a smaller board provides that then a smaller board is definitely something I will try. If the bigger board provides that, I might stay with the bigger board.

I had a great 3rd session now on the Swing 5, and I think for me my cut off is 20 mph gusts. If it is gusting over 20 mph I need a smaller wing, but from light wind to 20 mph gusts I am OK on the Swing 5. Where I foil the wind normally does not gust over 20 mph so most days will be Swing 5 days.

I tried a harness line today and it was too short. When I was in the harness I had to hold the wing down further and then the tip would hit the water.

I will try a longer line. I admit my arms get tired on the long upwind runs, to the point I feel like turning around to change the forces on my arms. If I could take 90% of that arm pressure away and just use my arms to tweak the position I think I could wing foil for longer.

Keep in mind I have no plans to use a harness when riding the swells and going more down wind. When doing that there is almost no pull from the wing. It is only for the long upwind runs that it would be nice.

I also realize I could point more upwind with a harness, as the more power I have in the wing the more upwind I can point, but again my arms do get tired when doing that.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 22, 2019, 02:48:21 AM
We get to have our grandkids on the weekends so yesterday we did a group beach day.  That means we bring one board and swap sessions/castle building.  This is a great excuse for me to steal off on Chan's board so that is what we brought.   We stuck the Axis 1020 on it and it was phenomenal.  The knee start is functional and quick enough (it has to be quick :) ) but not always pretty.  Wind was fairly steady 18 with gusts in the low 20's.  That is perfect 3.5 Swing weather for me.  We were at a starboard launch so my first run was on starboard and there was actually some decent foiling in there.  My port run back was my best foiling run ever.  That isn't saying much but I was very proud of it :).  It is really cool to get a little sine wave pump going and not have any nose there to tap.  I still can't get over how cool the flying sensation is.  We are really enjoying the lighter winds so on most days this means we are on empty beaches.  Yesterday was a full solo session for each of us.  Epic.  Full wetsuit in that sunshine was a mistake.  I overheated and my legs gave up too early.  No loss.  I made it in OK and they were just fine for a few hours shell collecting.   
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Slyde on September 23, 2019, 10:18:38 PM
My take after grand total of one session on 4.2 S-wing, 6'6" SUP and Naish 2000 foil. Im 73kg, experienced SUP foiler, Kite foiler and ex windsurfer. Wind was light to begin with less than 10 knots but filled in to maybe 15 knots possibly a little more.
I was up and riding as soon as there was about 12 knots of wind. Could foil both directions switch and regular as far as I wanted. Didnt quite get any foiling transitions. Rode for 2-3 hours. It was a good workout. My triceps were sore the next day. My mate was on a 5m S-Wing in the same wind. He is 10kg heavier than me.. Obviously with experience the top and bottom windrange will increase but I doubt I would want to ride the 4.2 above 20 knots and I bet at 18knots it would be uncomfortable so I reckon comfortable windrange for 4.2 is 12-18 knots. Pretty sure I was able to ride it down to 10 knots at times pumping the foil. My buddy maybe had slightly better low end but not by much because the reality is there were puffs coming through and the puffs were enough for both of us to foil but the lulls were not enough for either of us. I very much doubt the 5m would be comfortable in 20 knots. I would add that after 35 years of windsports I try to be realistic about the true windstrength. Most guys overcall it by 5 knots or more. Im pretty happy with the decison to start with a 4.2 as this will cover the comfortable learning range of 10-20 knots, but I will get a 2.8 for the 25 knot downwind swell stuff that seems so appealing for wind winging.
I also realised that unless you are foiling you will drift downwind pretty fast so I spent my whole session trying to ride back upwind. Whoever said these things point like a kitefoil is way off the mark. Not even close in upwind performance. I made it upwind just fine but had to work for it. A harness will prove useful for upwind beats where the arms feel it more than on a reach.
Gotta say the whole experience reminded my of windsurfing in the 80s when harnesses were outlawed for the olympics. We had our booms high on similar angle to a wing and went about the same speed.
I had alot of fun but as usual the companies talk up the windrange of their product.
Hope this helps those making decisions about wing sizes.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 24, 2019, 12:32:30 AM
We had an incredible session in really light wind again.  We are loving that condition.  We checked the spots in the central Gorge and near East but the wind looked gusty and torn up.  iWindsurf was reading 8-12 MPH at Stevenson but it was early with a forecast to build a little and we decided to check it out.  We showed up late morning to an empty beach again and it had cranked way up :) to 9 to 14 MPH (8-12 knots) averaging 12 MPH (gotta love a 5 mph range from gust to lull).  It hung right there for an awesome 2 hours of barely textured bliss.  Chan went on the 4.2 Swing and Axis 920 and I took the 5 Swing and Axis 1020.  Deeelightful.  There were only a few short lulls where it wasn't foilable.  Offside is feeling a lot more comfortable now (possibly due to the awesome wind) but that was the first day that we were really foiling full reaches on our weak sides.  Digging these progress days :)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 24, 2019, 04:29:01 AM
Jackyís 920 shipped yesterday. Her shoulder has almost recovered enough to give it a go. I just need to figure out how to get Swings in all sizes  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on October 01, 2019, 05:14:51 PM
Today I matched the Swing 3.5 for the first time with my trusted 15' DW board. 15-20knots.

First pass I tried a daggerboard like fin in the ventral box and 11" pivot fin, ended up a mile off base and had to grind upwind 30+ minutes towing the wing behind.

Second pass I dropped the daggerboard and left the 11" pivot fin. The board was going 5-6mph upwind. After that pass I left the paddle on the beach and went for it.

It seems that with the right fin setup and enough practice it might be possible to go for a traditional DW run (yes, some folks are still at it) without transport.

I have one other toy to match the wing with. That one should be very interesting.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on October 01, 2019, 07:40:32 PM
I've used the 5M Duotone and the 5M F-one in 25+. At my weight, it's a little much, but I had a blast. The only time either wing got hairy was in big swells. If I remember to bend my knees enough I can slide over the big guys and keep the wing in the water, but as soon as I get a little freaked about the speed I tend to straighten up, and that just doesn't fucking work.

The last time we had good wind at Jensen it was solid 25 on the Washington side, and the F-One was just silly fun. At my weight I can put the wing right over my head, relax my knees, and just go anywhere I want to go. I need to save my jibing practice for less gusty wind though. I did some really spectacular smackdowns. One was so dramatic that I had two kiters come over to check me out and make sure all the accessory parts were still attached.

I think big wings have a lot of range, especially if you're fat. I just routinely pump up the 5M these days, regardless of what the wind is doing. I don't think my 4M has been wet since I got a 5. I think when I get a 6 it will be the routine choice. Skinny folks need to check the wind speed, fatties just pump up the biggest one they've got unless it's totally nuking.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 06, 2019, 05:14:49 AM
I had the 5 meter out in a gusty 18-25 yesterday yesterday with some big holes.  It was light when I rigged and the forecast was for really light but, you get what you get.  The 5 is possible in that wind at my weight but I was definitely way over.  When I am on the right size going momentarily to more overhead with the wing will spill enough air to manage bigger gusts and still drive forward enough to stay foiling but when I am way overpowered, going overhead has a lot of up-pull and even sheeted out it can kill momentum and drop me off a foil.  That was still really fun (and challenging) for a while but after a half hour I went in and put on the 4.2 and the Axis 1000 wing.  That evened everything out a lot.  I could have (and should have) gone straight to the 3.5 but the 4.2 was fine.  It was perfect for the base wind and the lulls but I was still over on the outside where I wanted to be working on Jibes.  I had a few that I liked and a few that got away from me.  For learning new stuff it is really nice to be lightly powered and I don't mind a few minutes of standing around in the lulls to get there. 

In terms of the handles, I don't notice the handles on any wing when I am powered.  They just go away and are not a concern at all.  The only time when they feel floppy to me is when I am significantly underpowered.  When the wing is not really doing its thing and lifting enough and you are in part supporting it with the handles then how rigid they are matters a lot.  If you are holding your hands in a fixed position but the wing is dropping and bending the handles downward that feels awful.  But as soon as it has power that all becomes irrelevant.  I do think there is room for improvement on all of the handles that I have used so far. 

Another observation.  The Swing has the best and worst inflation/deflation system.  They provide a nozzle with each wing that has a rubber gasket and a twist lock.  The valve itself has a push/push on/off button that allows flow.  That combination is awesome for inflation and the hose stays put really well.  On the other hand the wings are a pain to deflate.  The strut holds air and needs to be manually massaged to deflate while keeping the elbow tubing straight.  Not a big deal but there is room for improvement there.

That aside, F-one produced one hell of a first generation product with the Swing.  Compared to some of the early entries it feels like 2nd or 3rd generation.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 06, 2019, 10:01:14 AM
Iím with you on the inflation-deflation issues. Having said that, the other brands I tried where worse. Thankfully, the F-one strut inflation hose kinks less, and doesnít have the nasty pinch clamp adding to the hassles.

I think my handles are getting broken in and more comfortable.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on October 06, 2019, 10:27:54 AM
I forgot the stiffy handles when I left the shop to go catch a session. I had the boom but no way to attach it and my Duotone was also back at the shop, so I went with the floppy handles. Wow, those suck. Yeah, okay, once you're powered up and the wing is mostly overhead they are tolerable, but barely. Any other time the boom and the stiffies are a huge advantage. You might get used to floppiness, but it's not because it's better. I dipped a tip and flipped the wing in front of me twice in one session. I don't remember the last time I did that with a boom. Very limited control.

I had the stiffies in the shop to measure for some duplicates. I previously measured the gap inside the handles but the carbon inserts wound up being cut and try. I'm going to run off a few so I can keep spares in the wing bag. I don't want to be without them. This run will be prettier--I'm making a mold to put ears on the carbon so they won't rotate on the handle. I'll be better able to use them without the boom and still get most of the benefit. I did miss the ability to one-hand the wing by holding the boom between the 1st and 2nd handles, but I can live without that for the benefit of a small package.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 07, 2019, 04:03:35 AM
As a long term answer having sewn in attachment points (and no fabric handles) will be much better.  You could then attach rigid handles (preferably with a curved strut plate).  Basically find a curved plate (carbon or otherwise) that closely matches the radius of the strut tube and fix the rigid handle to that.  One of those assemblies wherever you want a handle.  That assembly can attach (by any # of methods) to the sewn attachment points.  It would be attached after wing inflation and removed for packing (matter of seconds).  You could also do the same for a boom if you wanted. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 09, 2019, 02:57:33 PM
First off, new colors.  Raspberry is still the best :)

Second, 360's are a always a great looking move.  They must feel amazing on a foil.  The second one in the vid is really cool because he doesn't backwind at all.  He just luffs it overhead.  So styley.

https://www.facebook.com/freeridesurfshop/videos/664464544041118/
Title: Stiffy 2.0
Post by: PonoBill on October 09, 2019, 04:59:25 PM
Stiffy 2.0: The handle inserts and pseudo boom I made for my F-One 5M wing work well, except they flip around a bit, and the square edges aren't comfy. We can't have that, so here's stiffy 2.0, an even simpler construction using some paddle cutoffs, Velcro straps, and a bit of hot glue. Even easier to make than the first ones, and from preliminary tests, they work much better. They trap the strap in the hollow between the half shafts and the boom, feel just like a carbon boom, and don't slip. I just cut the shafts longitudinally with a hacksaw and with a strip of tape as a guide, cleaned up the edges on my sander, glued on the straps and done.
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Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on October 09, 2019, 06:05:15 PM
Look how nicely Stiffy 2.0 fits:

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Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 10, 2019, 02:23:04 AM
...and some really clean tack footage as well:

https://www.facebook.com/wingdotsurf/videos/2812028932176245/
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 10, 2019, 05:01:29 AM
So look what I just did. Message to F-one ...stop sewing kites, sew more wings. Click and read the comment in my post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3b2N5FHs6w/?igshid=co2j5nvhvlh3
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Wetstuff on October 10, 2019, 09:26:29 AM
Dwight... In perhaps the 'most secret spot' in all of Florida.  Cool.

Jim
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 11, 2019, 04:45:00 AM
Ohhhhhhh!

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Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 11, 2019, 05:23:07 AM
Yep, when I saw those the other day, I posted my kites For Sale!

F-one...you listening  ;D. Stop sewing kites and start sewing wings! 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 16, 2019, 03:19:16 AM
We scored an epic Viento session yesterday.  Partially because we lucked out on timing a fading East wind with rising (from pretty cold) air temps to get an hour and a half of magic.  The range between the gust and the lull was only 3 MPH and the water was incredibly flat!  So smooth on all levels.  We got out at 11:45 when it was around 15 MPH and we were still foiling when the wind dropped an plateaued for a while at about 9 MPH. 

I had almost given up on footstraps after a failed session with front and rear straps last week, but I decided to give it one more day with just the two new (stick on) angled front straps.  So happy that I didn't quit on that.  I finally have a setup that is both easy to get in and out of, is in the correct place at the right angles and allows wonderful control with just a little bit of toe lift.  That little bit of toe bracing on the front foot makes it so much easier for me to make the fine little rear foot adjustments without disrupting trim by clodding around.  It is crazy how a little .5 to 1 inch repositiong of that rear heel can change everything in terms of trim control.  This really helped me with my offside which felt surprisingly equal with my onside yesterday. 

I was working on pointing higher and carrying more speed so I was ending up fairly upwind.  That let me try some downwind pumping with the wing in my back hand by my hip.  Man, is that going to be fun.  I have a long way to go but it is really cool.  There was no swell to assist so this was just to get the feel in a very comfortable and controlled condition.  I love the idea that you  can enjoy downwind in place.  No shuttles required.  That's not to say that long shuttle downwinders won't be fun but so cool to be able to skip that and just rip upwind for a few reaches for some downwind reward.  These may not have quite the upwind capability of kitefoiling gear (never done it) but it is far more efficient upwind than any sport that I have ever tried.  You can easily gain twice as much ground on a reach as on a powered windsurfing wave board.  Combine that with the fact that full foiling is possible in under 10 MPH and the potential for light wind surf is off the map. 

This keeps getting more fun.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on October 16, 2019, 09:16:29 AM
I'm glad things came out well for you.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on October 16, 2019, 09:48:01 AM
I asked about a harness line for the Swing 5 before and this thread is getting long but I don't think I got a reply.

Well now I have been using the harness line that comes from F-ONE made for the Swing and I love it.

I am addicted to it and do not go upwind without it anymore.

It gets me upwind with roughly another 20 degrees angle with no pressure on my back arm at all. I can keep my extreme upwind angle while waving at someone with my back arm.

This angle allows me to enjoy more downwind riding where I never use the harness line and it does not get in the way.

I know you can go upwind without it, but F-ONE really knows what they are doing, and they know to maximize the upwind angle and go upwind for a long period of time and be really comfortable, a harness line is needed, so they included an attachment for one.

Just FYI don't try your own line there. At first before I found I could buy one from F-ONE I tried a rope there and it was not very successful. It was hard to hook into because it would blow towards the wing with the wind, and finding the right length was challenging. Once I got the F-ONE harness line those issue disappeared. Easy to hook into, and the length is perfect.

I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on October 16, 2019, 10:22:58 AM
My Swing came with a harness line. It was in the side pocket....
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on October 16, 2019, 10:44:56 AM
Hopefully they will start including a harness line with all Swings.

Mine did not include one but I bought it at https://bayareakitesurf.com/.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on October 16, 2019, 11:20:40 AM
I have a 3.5 and 5M Swing on order since the beginning of the month.  Has anyone received one recently or tracking updates?  I sold my SlingWing last week and of course the first cold front and ideal wind direction for my home spot is lighting up tomorrow.  Ahhh.

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 16, 2019, 11:52:01 AM
F-One America is expecting their next shipment this week.  :)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: daswusup on October 16, 2019, 01:52:41 PM
I have a 3.5 and 5M Swing on order since the beginning of the month.  Has anyone received one recently or tracking updates?  I sold my SlingWing last week and of course the first cold front and ideal wind direction for my home spot is lighting up tomorrow.  Ahhh.



Hey VB, If you don't mind me asking, why did you sell the Slingwing?
Thanks
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on October 16, 2019, 02:12:37 PM
I have the Slingwing 4.2 and the Swing 5 and might sell the Slingwing too.

The reason is the Swing 5 has a much lower wind threshold and it covers what the wind is normally blowing at my location.

Most days at my location the wind is gusting 15 mph to 20 mph. Rarely does it gust over 20 mph. The Swing 5 handles this range very well.

It is rated to 25 knots, which is well over the wind we get, so it is possible this is the only Wing I need, although I do want to try the Swing 6 to see if I can go lower than 15 mph or 15 mph with less pumping needed to get going.

The Slingwing kicks in I would say with 18 mph gusts, and can handle more wind than the Swing 5.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: bigmtn on October 16, 2019, 04:19:31 PM
The reason is the Swing 5 has a much lower wind threshold and it covers what the wind is normally blowing at my location.


Where are you? Oahu?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 16, 2019, 04:30:56 PM
PS:  I did get shipping notification on our 2.8 today.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on October 16, 2019, 05:38:29 PM

[/quote]

Hey VB, If you don't mind me asking, why did you sell the Slingwing?
Thanks
[/quote]

Iím not 100% sure why I sold my Slingwing haha. I guess I have a similar wind situation to supkailua, with winds predominantly under the ideal wind range for the Slingwing. I only put in around 5 sessions with it and when up on foil it was a well behaved wing. What I didnít like was the weight.  I plan on doing a lot of DW style riding and I want a super light wing to fly as much as possible as my apparent wind drops.

Iím hoping the Swing 5M and newly acquired 2400 foil wing (to join my 1550 and 1200 wings) will cover my really low end and the 3.5 will handle the gusty and stronger wind days. At 145 lbs, the 2400 practically lifts outta the water when stationary  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on October 16, 2019, 05:41:52 PM
PS:  I did get shipping notification on our 2.8 today.

I received an email saying my order status changed to ĎNo Holdí. I wonder what that means.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 17, 2019, 04:21:45 PM
Today. Axis 1020 wing. Wing leash on the harness line pigtail.
https://youtu.be/2oNEBTu09gY

I was 2 blocks from this wind meter on the pier. Between 4 and 5 pm

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48916464212_fe5a1e5709.jpg)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 17, 2019, 06:27:16 PM
Looking good DW!  Nice looking location as well.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 18, 2019, 02:40:35 AM
Hood River was drizzly and low 50's yesterday so we headed east for clearer skies and a hope of cleaner wind.  We really lucked out at Roosevelt.  64 degrees and super well behaved wind.  I started out on the 5 and Chan on the 4.2 but  it ramped up to 20-25 so I grabbed the 4.2 for a bonus hour :).  We are getting better at managing a little more wind but at a certain point..its time.  This location is really wide and builds up one of the most gentle, slopey rolling Swells in the Gorge.  The is very user friendly for practicing pumping downwind (which is where we are right now).  This was the first day for me that I felt a swell and a pump accelerate me past wing speed.  That is an amazing feeling.  Offside is all of a sudden feeling pretty solid.    That is a welcome change.  I feel like we are in such a good spot of our learning curve right now that I am intentionally not looking at the calendar.  The mornings are getting pretty cold but we can probably eek out another month.  My 3/2 probably only has another week.  Time to visit Big Winds for a warmer suit.  It has been a while since I had winter grom stoke, but this may be the year :)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 18, 2019, 03:57:56 AM
Looking good DW!  Nice looking location as well.

Thanks. These are conditions I dreamed weíd be able to ride in someday. Add some ground swell and it should be unreal.

Early in the year, it didnít look so good with rumors of wind wings needing 18 knots

My buddy was out foiling his 8m Cloud. That puts things in perspective. 8m Cloud needed for the kiter. wow.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 18, 2019, 04:22:45 AM
So cool.  I feel comfortable that these wings are going to set a new bar for light wind wave action.  We are ready for some softer cruiser waves now.  That is the travel plan for this winter.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: flkiter on October 18, 2019, 06:17:06 AM
Only challenge in light wind wing'ing seems to be the water start for me. If I can get a little swell to help speed me up onto foil, it helps a lot but once on foil, the wind could shut off and I'd still be good riding making apparent wind. I've found if guys are able to ride 12's with surf boards then I'm riding powered up on the 5 swing. The other day we had some wind and while I was out, the wind went off shore, I didn't really notice any change in power, just my up wind track changed. I rode a while and when I came into shore and hopped off by the shore then I realized the wind was off shore and no kites were out. Tons of possibilities with the wings.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 22, 2019, 09:42:13 AM
Oooh!  Look what just showed up.  This new 2.8 is 2.4 lbs.  Hah!  It takes up about half of the bag.  Should be no problem to pack.  :)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 22, 2019, 09:49:15 AM
They back ordered my 2.8

Come on guys....SEW MORE WINGS


KITING IS DEAD  ;D ;D


BTW, just sold my last kite
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 22, 2019, 07:10:01 PM
We (Chan, Bill and I) scored a really good high wind session out at Roosevelt today.  Average right under 30 with gusts well into the 30's.  I had the 3.5 Swing on and Chan used the 2.8.  After an hour and a half Chan took a breather and I got a quick session on the 2.8.  Brilliant!  I was happy on the 3.5 but, man did the 2.8 smooth things out.  Still plenty of juice but soooo much nicer in the gusts.  One thing is clear.  These wings are way better inflated to the max (at least).  Chan had inflated that guy to 7 psi (F-One suggests 10 psi for the 2.8 ).  I am at 10 on all of the wings even though that is well above the MFG's suggestion for some (suggestions linked below).  That is rock hard.  I am sure that there are plenty of worthy reasons why this would not be advised (you are on your own) but it makes a huge difference.  So much stiffer. 

https://www.f-one.world/app/uploads/2019/07/2020-SWING-user-guide-LR-1.pdf
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on October 23, 2019, 06:12:50 AM
It seemed stronger than that, especially over on the Oregon side. My shoulders are a trifle stiff this evening
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: John65 on October 23, 2019, 07:34:48 AM
I am set to pick up a 5m when I get to Maui.
There has been some talk about the inflation point but I am not clear on exactly how it works.
Would someone please put up pictures of the nozzle that works for inflating the F-one wings.  Maybe a measurement or picture of the insertion point as well?  I want to be sure I have all the right parts and do not have to go searching in the shops.
I kited for 9 years so I know most pumps come with 3 or 4 different adapters. 
Thanks.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 23, 2019, 07:44:07 AM
Hi John,

Each Swing ships with an adapter.  Just attach that to your existing pump and you will be good to go.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: clay on October 23, 2019, 08:39:18 AM
I am set to pick up a 5m when I get to Maui.
There has been some talk about the inflation point but I am not clear on exactly how it works.
Would someone please put up pictures of the nozzle that works for inflating the F-one wings.  Maybe a measurement or picture of the insertion point as well?  I want to be sure I have all the right parts and do not have to go searching in the shops.
I kited for 9 years so I know most pumps come with 3 or 4 different adapters. 
Thanks.

The adapter that comes with the swing looks like this nrs one (red washer):
https://www.rei.com/media/e3b86343-9205-4be8-86d8-018e9d89f839?size=344x258
I bought a pump at a local general store earlier this year and the swing adapter did NOT fit this pump, so I bought another one.  REI was the only place open that had a pump so I bought the nrs super 2, which includes the same style adapter.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: John65 on October 23, 2019, 08:53:52 AM
Thank you both so much.  So fast!  I am amazed that it is this simple. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 23, 2019, 12:01:17 PM
Me this morning. Every time I get home and watch these, I think it sure looks slow and lazy. But those who know, know its fast and scary  ;D

https://youtu.be/SV7LHFaaW4c
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on October 23, 2019, 04:54:01 PM
Nice foiling jibe. You hardly lost height at all.

Yeah, true, it looks like you're moving at a brisk walk. It's the same perspective problem as surf video--a double overhead wave filmed from the front looks like it might be head high. Swells on the Columbia that can make a windsurfer disappear except for his mast tip look like ripples on a lake. I gave up on shooting video in my race car because 135mph looks like cruising downtown if everyone else is going over 120.

That's OK, we know.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Wetstuff on October 24, 2019, 06:13:36 AM
Nicely done...   The cool thing - those of us who would be 'surface-stuck' look at those conditions and say; "I think I'll clean the catbox." 

Advantage Foil.

Jim
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 24, 2019, 06:23:50 AM
Jim, youíve got some nice bays up your way. With the Axis 1020 foil, itís childís play and super fun.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on October 27, 2019, 10:46:47 AM
Session #1 in the books with the Swing 5M

Wind 10 to 25 mph.
Foil 2400 Armstrong
Board 5í11Ē DW 

Session notes: 5 mile downwinder with side onshore wind. Horrible lulls with only a few strong gusts.

Thoughts: Iím not sure what the hype is about. The wing is garbage. It is way too powerful, way too light, way too stable, to easy to flip right side up. The bright magenta color also looks horrible against a grey sky. 

Facetiousness aside,  the wing was great as you can probably tell. I didnít drag a wingtip once.  The 2400 foil wing was also amazing. I was able to get up and the water didnít even have whitecaps, though there were considerable waves. The waves made it very interesting and led to quite a few breaches. My legs are toast.  Trying to get on foil in the lighter wind spots had my lungs burning. Insane workout. Once up itís so chill, just floating/flying/hovering. Canít wait for more!  8)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: 808sup on October 27, 2019, 12:24:53 PM
Holy she-ot! Is this what people are willing to pay for these?
On another note, the wing carnage has begun on the north shore. A friend who I kite with saw at least 4 wings that got trashed in the surf the other day. Kiters pulled the guys to shore. There will definitely be a few more as people figure out what you can and cannot do with these wings. Winters coming!😎
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on October 27, 2019, 05:18:37 PM
On another note, the wing carnage has begun on the north shore. A friend who I kite with saw at least 4 wings that got trashed in the surf the other day. Kiters pulled the guys to shore. There will definitely be a few more as people figure out what you can and cannot do with these wings. Winters coming!😎

My big worry is getting out in the shore pound. I have enough trouble carrying my foil out of the water without getting blended. Juggling a wing too--that should be interesting.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on October 28, 2019, 12:56:31 AM
We have a 3.5 Swing and a 5.0 on order.

Are we going to miss the 4.2? Is the gap too big?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 28, 2019, 01:59:06 AM
You won't miss days because of it but I do think that you will eventually fill that gap.  I am 170 lbs and even with a big foil on there are days that I would not want to drop all the way to 3.5.  The last two days here have been like that.  I could have used a 3.5 but there would have down time (not a bad name for it) and the holes (and there were plenty) would have been a lot more work.  On the 4.2 and my 1020 it is 100% flying time.  That saves a lot of energy for working on new skills.  The upside is that you can cover everything from sub 10 to mid 30's with 3 wings provided that your foil setup is right.  I know that you are interested in getting on a sinker board for waterstarts as well.  It seems like you will want a little more juice for that as well. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on October 28, 2019, 04:42:39 AM
Thanks Admin , Foil setup is 100%,S900,S1000and S1020 ;D

And are we going to miss a 2.8?  190/140/130 lbs in 25 Knots?




Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 28, 2019, 05:00:28 AM
Hi Soekip,

You won't until it is blowing smoke (and you may even be fine then).  Your daughter will.  Yesterday was a "normal" windy day.  Bill was on a 5, I was lit up but happy on a 4.2 and Chan was 100% flying on the 2.8 and the 920 wing.  She has used that wing about half of the days since we got it.  We were out at noon.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on October 30, 2019, 04:32:08 PM
Scored a 5 meter session on the Swing today.  41 degree air temp but the water was a toasty 55.  Rubber is so good these days that I was super cozy.  The hands are the exception but not too bad.  The mid 50's we are expecting for the next week will seem balmy in comparison.  I hadn't planned on it but I may go all winter this year. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: flkiter on October 30, 2019, 04:44:40 PM
Dang Admin, I feel sorry for ya having those conditions now but, also happy to hear that having the temps in most places have dropped letting Florida start to get more wind wings.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 01, 2019, 11:48:02 AM
I rode with the Swing harness line for the first time today. Wow, F-One nailed that design too. So light the wind blows it out of your way. No accidental hook-ins. Yet enough mass, that its easy to pump and swing it right into the hook like a good windsurf harness line. Itís so good, I see no issue with leaving one mounted to every wing I own.

I needed to give my tendons a rest. Tendonitis is creeping into my forearm despite my efforts to ride without bent elbows as much as possible.

What a joy to rocket upwind in the harness.

I was wave riding a place today, few people can ride. Our predominate winter wind direction too. Slightly side off. Too gusty for kiters to ride there. Frustrating to windsurf it. Epic for winging.

Wingers Win!  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 01, 2019, 01:06:31 PM
Another awesome feature of the Swing harness line....you can change the length for Chan and Admin and myself and Jacky quickly. Home run!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 01, 2019, 03:52:02 PM
Thought of another reason the harness line is good.

Anyone who learned to windsurf foil, without a harness (Robbie Naish style) then advanced to riding on foil in the harness, knows foiling gets way easier locked and loaded in the harness because it steadies the power delivery and that steadies the foil altitude and control.

So winging in the harness the first time, I immediately felt that increased steadiness.


Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on November 01, 2019, 04:25:46 PM
DW,  Howís the Ďinvoluntary dismountí work out? Iím kinda hesitant to get tied up with the wing when I want to ditch it. I wouldnít want to damaged the wing because of the harness getting stuck.

I will be trying nonetheless soon!

Side note: took the 5m and 2400 foil out for a lunch break mini DW session yesterday and the wind picked up to 25MPH. I was maxed out to say the least and it was a blast!  The end of the run had 2í swell with refractions off break walls which made things extra spicy!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 01, 2019, 04:56:17 PM
Youíre never stuck in the harness. One wing pump, the rope falls out of the hook.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on November 02, 2019, 01:24:52 AM
That sounds great Dwight.  I had a 44 degree session yesterday at Viento.  It was easterly (wind and current going in the same direction) and I wanted to make sure I had power.  I went with the 5 meter but it was 25ish and I was over.  Went in and switched for the 4.2 which was awesome for 45 minutes until it picked up again.  I stuck with that one and had a great session but with a maxed wing and the colder air/water I was gripping pretty hard by the end.  It was my hands that ended my session.  I am sure that with a harness and a relaxed grip  I would have made it another hour.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 02, 2019, 04:20:17 AM
Admin, notice Alanís water start method. Heís doing it like a kiter. If you fail with your current plan, the kiter way may be possible. Swipe to the 3rd image.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4Vvt13nm_z/?igshid=1eoh05v4vayzu
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on November 02, 2019, 05:46:31 AM
[quote author=Dwight (DW) link

ďI needed to give my tendons a rest. Tendonitis is creeping into my forearm despite my efforts to ride without bent elbows as much as possibleĒ



Hey Dwight did the tendinitis arise from using the wing or did you already have it?

I was battling elbow and tendinitis in my forearm for months...tried all types of exercises, used the rubber bar etc but it wouldnít go away.  Finally at the suggestion of a friend I bought this great little TENS machine which has helped a lot. I highly recommend.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Q32KX3J/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on November 02, 2019, 06:07:46 AM
Admin, notice Alanís water start method. Heís doing it like a kiter. If you fail with your current plan, the kiter way may be possible. Swipe to the 3rd image.

That is cool.  That looks like a pretty big board for Alan but still small enough to avoid the issues of trying to do a more conventional waterstart on a larger SUP style board.  I was hoping that this would be possible on a lower volume board and this confirms that it is.  I am going to learn both.  I think the Windsurfing/Kitesurfing one that Alan is using will save a step when it is windy and the straddle/crouch/stand method that we are seeing will be nice when it is lighter.  It has been too cold to mess with this the last couple days but I am going to get started today if it is warmer and the wind stays good. 

I was talking with Tony Logosz at the beach the other day about waterstarts.  He started working on them with a wing a few weeks ago on a Dwarfcraft 3'6.  He said that his first session was very tiring with a bunch of failed attempts but he got a couple off by the end.  He was using the straddle method.  His biggest challenge was that he was using a big foil and it wanted to float up on him before he was positioned.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 02, 2019, 06:53:37 AM


Hey Dwight did the tendinitis arise from using the wing or did you already have it?


Itís from Winging. Iíve been through this before, almost 20 years ago kiting. Steroid shots cured it each time for a few months. It finally went away for life (until now) when kites were redesigned with chicken loops. This changed everyoneís riding arm position from bent elbows to straighter arms with lighter pressures on the arms.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on November 05, 2019, 12:56:01 PM
Just a heads up / PSA in case you missed it on Insta, there are recommendations floating around to move the leash connection from the leash attachment point to the leading edge handle on the Swing.  The leash point stitching has come undone in some cases, leading to repairs.  I was sent a photo of the issue pre-repaired if anyone is really interested, I can upload it.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 05, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
I thought the guy was being paranoid. Do you have a photo of an actual failure of a Swing?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 05, 2019, 04:21:09 PM
Ah, so it did fail and here is the hack repair job
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49021332821_bf7b253a02.jpg)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on November 06, 2019, 07:17:28 AM
Just a heads up / PSA in case you missed it on Insta, there are recommendations floating around to move the leash connection from the leash attachment point to the leading edge handle on the Swing.  The leash point stitching has come undone in some cases, leading to repairs.  I was sent a photo of the issue pre-repaired if anyone is really interested, I can upload it.

Do we know under what circumstances it failed?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on November 06, 2019, 07:50:44 AM
Does anyone have a link to the original content?  Was this a preproduction wing or did they remove the neoprene?  On the production wings there is a large neoprene patch that has three stitch lines that also go through and reinforce that black plastic supporting underlayer.  If you look at a production wing the leash string is attached to another horizontal cord under that plastic layer that then bends down and is secured by the three stitch lines of the neoprene patch.  A failure of the outer material or one (or both) of the two vertical stitch lines would not release the leash.  The leash isn't attached up there.  It is attached to a cord which runs down and under the triple stitch.  This connection is much more robust than it appears with multiple fail-safes.  It would take much more damage than is present in that image to release the leash.  This almost looks like an abrasion tear of the outer material above the actual connection point. It also doesn't look like this wing has been repaired.  All of the stitch lines (and more) in that image are present on the production wings.

(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35185.0;attach=102892;image)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 06, 2019, 12:57:15 PM
Good point. It does look like some early production model.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49025923707_4656882c5a.jpg)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 06, 2019, 01:02:05 PM
BTW Admin, you have to starting using a harness. It now seems as silly to ride without one, as it would to windsurf without one.

I found a super soft, zero support, very light Dakine harness that is ideal. It is the kind of harness you would consider a POS by todays standard. Ideal for winging. I hear Dakine is releasing a light travel harness in Feb. Iím set. Had an awesome wave session today. Used the harness on each upwind reach to allow me to wave sail in place at the Jetty.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on November 06, 2019, 03:56:19 PM
You've talked me into it.  Send links to these harnesses.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 06, 2019, 04:40:28 PM
This one. Throw the seat attachment in the trash.

http://www.windance.com/Dakine-2019-Chameleon-XS-Black/45573/

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on November 06, 2019, 04:45:09 PM
I just made a belt for the Dakine Maniac sliding hook (Thanks FLKiter). I think it's going to be great. My sewing is on the brutal side, I'm out of practice. I used to be pretty good.

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/74379772_10156912061308668_3791440624595501056_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQmr7bmztFE4XQIl-cKH76AYHHpHv6_EYgeu5Xxcy02AxPnUFOH3oHqvZDHZIJrL5Zc&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=c2fb6742c6481e60c69da99c192d44e9&oe=5E4DE2BA)

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75380101_10156912062373668_1534014901968699392_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQlOOQi9sGgol0-7PNaTDnDnHEr8yDhha-ikAapCrI1F_lPN8S-ZdUAJAHjS2H6xMfo&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=513300ca5adc2b1809d51a8417b76ca1&oe=5E4AD7C4)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on November 06, 2019, 05:39:52 PM
Re: Admin

I donít think this guys leash ever completely failed, just the outer material started to fail after continued thrashing in HI. I moved leash to the front handle today and it did not bother me.

Session notes: 10-15mph and I was good to go with the 5m and 2400 foil. Tried riding switch for the first time as I was having trouble getting up on foil on my weak side. What a shocker, so hard!! Foot placement is crucial riding switch as I donít have the ability to micro adjust like I do on my dominant stance. Much harder than riding switch snowboarding or skateboarding (I can switch kick flip etc) 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on November 07, 2019, 01:32:41 AM
Re: Admin

I donít think this guys leash ever completely failed, just the outer material started to fail after continued thrashing in HI. I moved leash to the front handle today and it did not bother me.

Yeah, I am very confident in the stock leash connection.  You would need to really destroy that area to have a failure.    Same with the leash itself.  It is just strong cordage so all of the normal failure spots are gone.  Board leashes?  Not so much. 

Stoked to hear that it is going well for you.  Switch is a mind bender at first.  We all struggled with that long after we were solid on our strong sides.  Then one day it just seemed fine.  All of a sudden I didn't have a preference.  Crazy brains of ours!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on November 07, 2019, 03:22:15 PM
Switch is a mind bender at first.  We all struggled with that long after we were solid on our strong sides.  Then one day it just seemed fine.  All of a sudden I didn't have a preference.  Crazy brains of ours!

I'm still waiting for that to happen. I can get where I want to go riding swtich, but I feel like a passenger doing navigation.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on November 08, 2019, 09:34:59 AM
Just went for a morning downwinder on the James River by my house.  Side-offshore gusty conditions ranging from 10 in the lulls to just over 30mph on the gusts.  Threw on my 2400 wing and grabbed the 5M Swing.  As I was walking down to the shore a big gust came and I ran back to grab the 3.5M for the first time. 

Initially I thought I made the wrong decision, but once I got out into the wind window, I was up and cruising quite a bit, although I was pumping a lot to try and stay on foil in the holes. I got a lot of practice popping up on foil to say the least.  Going from the 5M to 3.5M, it felt a lot more nimble and I was unaccustomed to the lack of balance assistance the 5M afforded.  Nailed a few of my first flying gybes so I'm stoked. 

Coming into the landing at the park by my house, I was cruising on some 1' wind swell past the fishing pier and had an epiphany.  Years ago, I had this re-occuring dream were I was surfing in the river next to the pier in some windswell.  This was before I go into foiling.  Not a dream anymore. 

The wing is a perfect addition for me.  The launch and landing point was definitely not good for kiting.  The shoreline at the park is 'off-limits' so I had to dodge the park rangers to make it out haha. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 10, 2019, 01:03:21 PM
Grabbed the video camera just in time to catch Jacky pinching real hard upwind (to the point of stalling) trying to make Kelly Park and avoid walking through stingray flats and swimming across a boat channel.

Sorry, thatís all I got for today.

4.2m Swing in really light wind. 5í1 x 25 board for her. You get a brief peak at how easy it comes onto foil. Sheís riding the Axis 92. Switch stance for her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vdHc5zqJ34
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on November 27, 2019, 02:25:15 PM
Went out for a quick 2 mile DW today on my lunch break. 5m and 2400 foil. Maybe hitting 15mph. I tried the harness line for the first time and wow! It works so well. It was like autopilot and launched me at a good clip upwind. Hit personal best speed on the 2400 wing by a few mph.

Finally nailing flying gybes in both directions, back to back. Itís all starting to come together! So fun. Canít wait to take it to the ocean for some swell riding. Probably my 8th session with the wing.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 27, 2019, 03:34:39 PM
VB-foil,

Whatís your method for getting back to your car?

Here in Cocoa Beach we can ride the city bus for $1.50 with surfboard, kite, and wet board shorts, as long as we have flip flops. Thatís our downwind method. But with foil on our boards, we canít ride the bus  >:(

Thought about going back to old method. Leave e-bike at finish line, but then need to build board and foil carrier on the bike.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on November 27, 2019, 04:26:39 PM
Logistics get crazy with downwinders. I canít wait to get to the point where I can just go upwind first a few long tacks then head back. Almost there. The harness line shows the way.

I lock up my onewheel at the water exit with the empty wing bag (except for foil covers). Then I just onewheel the .5 miles back to my house to ditch the board before the longer ride to the car.

  Iíve tried it before, away from my local, and broke down the foil and bagged it for the 3 mile upwind onewheel ride with a 20mph headwind and sup under the arm. That was more taxing than the winging.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on November 28, 2019, 02:36:23 AM
Went out for a quick 2 mile DW today on my lunch break. 5m and 2400 foil. Maybe hitting 15mph. I tried the harness line for the first time and wow! It works so well. It was like autopilot and launched me at a good clip upwind. Hit personal best speed on the 2400 wing by a few mph.

Finally nailing flying gybes in both directions, back to back. Itís all starting to come together! So fun. Canít wait to take it to the ocean for some swell riding. Probably my 8th session with the wing.

Awesome VB!

Are you switching your feet?  How is the harness toeside?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on November 28, 2019, 03:50:13 AM
Admin,

Thanks! I was not switching feet and I was able to hook in toe side using the mystic 2face sliding hook. It was a bit trickier to swing the line into the hook on my front hip, so I only did it for once on this run. When I did, I found myself riding high and had to work to keep the foil down (probably was effectively de-weighting my front leg due to the lift of the wing). I will certainly be trying it again to sort out how effective it can be on a long tack. 

Iím curious if hooking in riding switch makes it easier. The Swing is so balanced when hooked in, it allows for more focus on altitude control and pointing it upwind.

I had previously had concerns of not being able to unhook on a spill. Well it happened to me once on a breach and it was very tame; sort of hang glided to a soft landing  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 28, 2019, 03:53:47 AM
No harness toe side for me.

Efficient toe side riding requires back to wing and leaning face forward. Works in harness kiting. Youíd have to spin your waist harness winging. Itís just easier to switch feet. Besides, if I donít switch feet, the back leg burns out too quick, and there goes my surfing to shit. Need to preserve the good leg.

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on November 28, 2019, 10:19:29 AM
The DaKine Maniac hook is pretty much ideal for Winging. It can slide to the back if you want, and automatically slides to the side going upwind. I haven't tried it going heelside yet. I need to work on that. My success ratio for switchfoot jibes remains miserably low.

Initially I was using the belt around my waist, but I found that to be clumsy. Now I put it just under my chest and above my gut. Kind of an ideal spot with the Ion impact vest I generally wear. I need to come up with a good way to keep the vest down--probably attach it to my shorts and solve two problems at once. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 28, 2019, 02:59:59 PM
Today....12 mph wind. I included 2 knee starts in the video. Notice the wind pressure on the wing is so light, I barely have any balance support once standing, yet the Wing Board jumps onto foil so easy. Even my Swing pumps are weak due to so little wind. Little boards just unstick like magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw7c2R-jzOo
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: bigmtn on November 28, 2019, 03:17:13 PM
Which foil? 900? 1000? 1020?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 28, 2019, 03:20:03 PM
1020

I use the 1000 only in real wind. 15 mph+
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on November 29, 2019, 03:46:58 AM
Hi Dwight, 6.0 Swings are coming available now.  I wonder how light that will get us?  I need to know.  No straps.  Is that a new deck?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 29, 2019, 04:15:07 AM
My 6m has been ordered. Iím getting one from this batch.  My guess 10 mph works, 12 mph becomes easier.

Iím on my 5í1 wing board. Iím always strapless. Did you note F-one chose to make their wing boards all strapless. Wing boards are so nimble, they leap off the water and pump super efficient, so you can enjoy the freedom of surfing with free feet.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on November 29, 2019, 04:36:34 AM
Hah!  We ordered one as well.  I am thinking the starting point goes down to 8 MPH.  I did notice that about the F-one boards.  I wish they had included inserts.  It is a great option and from looking around it looks like half or maybe more of the riders are using at least one strap at least some of the time. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 29, 2019, 07:30:11 AM
If production wing boards include straps, it adds 2 lbs of board weight. Not just the insert weight, but the board jumping reinforcements.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on December 01, 2019, 12:22:31 AM
Slight diversion - how are you guys packing and drying your Swings?

I'm the proud owner of a 5.0 swing and went out today for the first time and took a good lashing but made some progress. Especially pleased with the way the wing behaved (although sub 15kt wind). All problems were operator error in super choppy sea.
 
However I did find it a unexpected challenge to deflate, with air moving between the strut and leading edge (OK, first world problems...). I've watched the packing video from Ozone - ie fold up the central strut then roll in the sides- but wondering if there were any tricks out there to simplify the process? (Eg pinching the connection to the strut?)

Also, do you guys bother to rinse after use in the sea - (assuming it will be packed away for at least a week)?
And any cunning tips for drying? - I reinflated when I got home, but think next time I'll just hang on the washing line by the leading edge handle...

Cheers

Hamish
     
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 01, 2019, 02:39:12 AM
Hi Hamish,

Stoked that you are loving that wing.  Deflating (the strut) is a PITA.  When you push in the deflation pin the leading edge should empty immediately.  Then jiggle the tube to get the strut started and then work air down the strut from the far end.  You can do this with temporary folds.  Once you have folded the wing for packing give it a bear hug.  That is the best we have found although not perfect.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 01, 2019, 03:51:43 AM
We roll up the center strut compressing the air out.  Then unroll it and finishing packing the wing up like a kite. Roll wing tips to center strut.

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on December 01, 2019, 01:26:47 PM
I just noticed the warning signs on the kite saying to close the valve after deflating. I had not been doing that. This time I did by deflating fully with a bear hug, then placing on the ground and opening slightly to find the valve and shut it.

I havenít been drying mine. I do remember reading in the manual that they recommend inflating for drying. Not sure why, maybe preserving the structure and less odd stress points.

Just put in a session in 8-14mph. It was a lot of slogging around but it was great practice pumping to get up on foil.  Heart rate was up and I was overheated it my 4/3. I canít wait for a good wind day haha.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 01, 2019, 02:16:55 PM
They want you to put the valve back together, so the plug doesnít damage the canopy, when put back in the bag. Because some kook, somewhere, is sure to throw something heavy (like his board) on it top of it in his car, then drive around for days wearing a hole in it.

If you ride fresh water, mildew can happen. Salt water, not the same issue.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: obxDave on December 01, 2019, 04:36:01 PM
I havenít been drying mine. I do remember reading in the manual that they recommend inflating for drying. Not sure why, maybe preserving the structure and less odd stress points.

Absolutely make sure itís dry before putting it away. Doesnít have to be inflated to dry but it does need to be laid out so it can dry properly.  Even if coated with sand or sea grass, I just let it dry and it will easily brush off before packing up. Once in blue moon I might rinse it, then thoroughly dry it. I avoid any extended UV exposure (try not to leave it rigged in the sun all day). Experience based on having owned around 25 inflatable kites since 2001. A 5m wing is easy to deal with compared to a 16 m kite.....
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on December 02, 2019, 09:30:56 AM
Thanks guys. Looks like Iím in the right ball park, and can get by with less rinsing and more bear hugs! Meanwhile I will be happy Iím not dealing with that massive kite. Nothing like a bit of perspective on an issue to sort it out.
Cheers HB
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 02, 2019, 04:01:59 PM
Rode the 2.8m Swing today lit up, with the Axis 900 wing. Woohoo  ;D

Biggest waves Iíve ever seen on the Banana River in Florida.

Jacky was working today, so no video evidence.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on December 02, 2019, 08:50:56 PM
DW I was heading to Cocoa, but decided to stay closer to VERO and hit Wabasso causeway...only had a 4 m Duotone and with my very limited experience, there was no way I could have handled that wind...it was howling. Played around on land and was way over powered with the 4 m. 
2.8 wow! Thatís tiny
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: DailyBread Surf Photo on December 03, 2019, 10:36:52 AM
I've got many videos of my Swing 4.2 go checkm and Subscribe to my channel!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0oMv_nh2OI&t=12s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOBKYQxvS7g&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydIYwatUrs8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v3LbdVSnV0
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: JEG on December 03, 2019, 12:17:33 PM
great work DailyBread Surf Photo and looks like your having soo much there in paradise. How much do you weight and what wind range the 4.2M wing cover?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on December 03, 2019, 08:46:09 PM
I read in this thread about wings getting damaged in the surf and wanted to mention I found a pretty good way to get out with shore break.

I hold the wing in one hand and hold it up as high as I can, so the wing is no where near the break and is flying light as a feather.

For my board I put the velcro end of my leash that goes around my ankle around the mast. This make a handle which is easier than grabbing the mast, although grabbing the mast works too. I then walk out with the foil on the shore side facing away from the wing side, top of the board resting nicely against my waist harness, and hold the mast handle I made.

I tried a number of shore break exits and found the only way to be 100% certain the wing does not get caught in the shore break is to fly it with one hand as high as you can.

I currently use the 5 Swing, have a 4.2 coming this week, and am on the list for a 6 Swing. The 5 and 6 will be my most used size in Kailua, Oahu.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 04, 2019, 01:02:41 AM
My 6m has been ordered. Iím getting one from this batch.  My guess 10 mph works, 12 mph becomes easier.

Ooooh.  Mine is on the way.  Wondering if this gets us on the 1000 in really light wind. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: DailyBread Surf Photo on December 04, 2019, 07:20:05 AM
great work DailyBread Surf Photo and looks like your having soo much there in paradise. How much do you weight and what wind range the 4.2M wing cover?

Thanks, I'm weighing in around 195lbs, and the 4.2 can handle 15mph on the low end.  You can also go on a bigger foil to make the lighter wind more comfortable and less work.  Usually when wind is in that 15mph range I'll ride my M200 Go Foil front wing.  When it gets over 20mph I'll swap down to the Iwa, for upper 20's and beyond I get on my GL140.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 04, 2019, 07:33:19 AM
My 6m has been ordered. Iím getting one from this batch.  My guess 10 mph works, 12 mph becomes easier.

Ooooh.  Mine is on the way.  Wondering if this gets us on the 1000 in really light wind.

I guess that means you got the NO HOLD email. Didnít get my email notice yet.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: flkiter on December 04, 2019, 07:34:23 AM
Just had some nice winds down here in Miami the other day blowing over 20 knots. Was lit on the 5 and my friends had a sling wing and an ozone 4, they were on the struggle bus so I let them use my 5, both up and riding easily. I went on the 4 wasp and I was riding that struggle bus also so I jumped on the 3.5 swing and it felt like 2X the power of the wasp. Rode with no issues and feels like the little wings punch a huge punch of power but just lack a little in the wind shadows due to less height for the wing to catch upper wind I'm guessing.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: DailyBread Surf Photo on December 04, 2019, 12:12:55 PM
https://youtu.be/9cQ3iF6CIx0
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 04, 2019, 12:22:05 PM
This is today. Jacky paying her dues in gusty light wind with holes so big itís hard to stand at times. Watching her develop in light winds was so fun today. She is getting her pump game figured out. 4.2m Swing. 5í1 x 25 wing board. Axis 92 foil.

Also take note of when she takes off like a rocket upwind. That is when she hooks into the harness line. It boosts power by 25%. You wonít understand the power loss of your flexible arms until you try a harness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=330MLtY0QS8
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on December 04, 2019, 01:47:53 PM
she was doing great in challenging conditions...we had even less wind down here. I didn't even consider  going

where was that? Kelly Park?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 04, 2019, 02:02:38 PM

where was that? Kelly Park?

520 causeway, hospital side.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 04, 2019, 06:40:38 PM
Just got my 6m No Hold notice from Fone. That means itís shipping soon.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on December 04, 2019, 06:53:51 PM
That's how I felt this morning in the Harbor. I foil surfed from 7:00 AM until about 10:30, pretty fun, and then the wind came up. I went over to the Canoe Hale since Steven Ross, Bill Boyum and Peggy King wanted to go there. I knew it would be much better at Kanaha but they like the Harbor. I did a few passes, struggled in the lulls, got gassed with Diesel fumes from a big Pasha freighter at the pier, and bailed to Kanaha where it was blowdryer 20mph and some nice waves. I went until my knee started calling quits. If the knee had behaved I'd have been there 'till dark, but as it is, my body is saying WTF pretty much everywhere.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: flkiter on December 05, 2019, 07:42:06 AM
New valve on strut for the 6 meter
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on December 07, 2019, 05:22:14 PM
Had my first session in the ocean today with a building NE swell. Winds were 22-26mph side onshore and the 3.5M paired with the 2400 wing was awesome. The waves were breaking around stomach high on sets and the period was probably 5 seconds, so it was tricky to say the least. Heading out at full speed towards a set, depowering and gybing onto the wave face was a blast. I canít wait for a side offshore wind hitting a 10 second period swell where the conditions are less chaotic.

My buddy came out and borrowed my 5m for his first session ever. Heís only been sup foiling for a few months. It was challenging for him and he didnít quite get up on foil, but he was close.

Foiling and winging has completely changed the game for me. So many green light days now!!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 07, 2019, 05:49:25 PM
I pulled the trigger on a new E-bike today, to make down winding logistics easier.

Winging is taking over our lives  ;D

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on December 07, 2019, 05:54:40 PM
Nice! Keep us posted on the foil bike rack progress!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on December 07, 2019, 09:05:00 PM
I thought I'd share a bit of my stoke learning with the swing 5.0 - after enjoying reading about everyone elses expereinces.
 
By way of background, I SUP reasoanbly well (24.5 x 14 NSP sonic beign my main board) but no windsurfing or kite surfing experience. I'm riding a 7.6 115 liters converted JP slate with the axis 1020. I weight about 86kgs plus gear.
My fist session had been a bit of a nightmare. Lots of walks of shame and getting dragged into the shore going nowhere. Plus I couldn't even get on the board and stand up on my switch stance.

The plan for today's second session was just do some more slogging about and keep learing the wing, hopefully including standing up in switch. I had no intention of foiling so had the mast set far back in the box (but still wanted the foil on for stability and some pointing).

It all went pretty well. I started off in about 10 knots onshore in a forgiving bay with water up to armpits a fair way out (Kohi bay Auckland). Not much problem getting on in regular stance. I hold the swing on the leading edge handle with my leading hand, get onto my knees facing across the board, grab the first handle with my trailing hand and then pull the wing down onto my sholder to create balance with the back of the wing pushing agaisnt the water. Then I put my leading hand back on the board to help balance as I step up with my front foot and then grab the wing again as I step with with my back foot. The wing is still jammed against my shoulder providing balance. I noticed its a different approach to the Blue Planet videos, so I'll see if I need to evolve the approach in higher winds.
It took me about 10 or 15 tries to do the same getting up into my switch stance, but I got there in the end and had it pretty solid by the end of the day.
Managing the Swing was easy. Sure the wind was lite, but wing sat there being pretty docicle as I faffed about in the water and didn't create any problems - only flipping itself upside down a couple of times. Very happy with that aspect so far.
Slogging about flying the wing was great fun, and as the wind built during the morning to about 15 kts I got a better sense of speed and some idea of how much fun this must be once up on the foil. I also figured out turing downwind and got some sensation of catching the waves. By the end of the session I was jybing and starting to learn to fly the wing heelside and change my stance (very tentatively). I was still having to walk the board upwind a bit between reaches, but with much less drama.
So overall today felt like good progress. I think I'll try a couple more session of slogging before I try and get up on the foil, but it all feels much closer after today! 
Cheers

HB
 
     
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 08, 2019, 05:30:16 AM
HB, that sounds awesome!  It also sounds like really nice wind to work on foiling.  Great to hear your progress.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 08, 2019, 11:25:59 AM
Picked up the 6 Meter Swing at Windance today.  It weighs in at 4.8 lbs.  Stoked to see what the range is.  20% more area than the 5 should get us down to some silly low wind speeds.  They also let me borrow me the F-One 4'3 21L Pocket (Kite) Foilboard.  That is coming to the pool tomorrow.  I'm interested to see how the labeled volume lines up with the other small boards we have been trying.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Rastaman3030 on December 08, 2019, 02:54:23 PM
Picked up the 6 Meter Swing at Windance today.  It weighs in at 4.8 lbs.  Stoked to see what the range is.  20% more area than the 5 should get us down to some silly low wind speeds.

Wow - 4.8lbs, so light! Can't wait to hear how low you can go with the new 6M.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on December 08, 2019, 11:33:23 PM
HB, that sounds awesome!  It also sounds like really nice wind to work on foiling.  Great to hear your progress.

Thanks Amin
On reflection, mine was a rather lengthy post for someone sloggging about. But anyway, the wing works great!
And Iíll also look forward to hearing about the 6.
Cheers HB
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Wetstuff on December 09, 2019, 07:54:54 AM
HB,  "I think I'll try a couple more session of slogging before I try and get up on the foil,"    ....that's an interesting approach. Who'd a thought? 

I'd bet most people simply 'Charge!' and go-for-it. (the foil)  ' Makes a lot of sense to me. (not having done either) Perhaps like getting comfortable on flatwater before you hit the waves on a regular SUP.  I'll bet you bypass some frustration.  Good luck.

Jim
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 09, 2019, 08:12:38 AM
Jim, thatís pretty much standard operating procedure for new foilers being guided by experienced foilers. Lone Rangers do the ride full height, and crash course.

We tell students to ride on the water first, learn to weight forward and hold it DOWN.
Step 2, let it foil up 6Ē and skim foil. Let the boards bottom, kiss the top of the chop. This kissing, adds stability, teaches you control.
Step 3 let it come a little higher and test your foiling legs (balance without any support)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Wetstuff on December 09, 2019, 12:51:52 PM
Copy, DW.   This kinda reminds me of kites in the early 2000s.  "What happens if I..?"  I lost two boards and (luckily) a whole kite (dangerous POS, 3-liner from Canada) in the first years.

Jim
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 12, 2019, 11:55:58 AM
Jacky rode the 2.8m today. I wish I could have caught it on camera. Itís so cute seeing someone wing with a handkerchief
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on December 12, 2019, 11:27:22 PM
I rode the 2.8 the other day in 30 knots average with an Axis S1000
I am 190lbs/85 kg 6'2 and a 2.2 would have been big enough!

I had the wing hovering neutral above my head most of the time, the speed was scary
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 13, 2019, 03:38:30 AM
Yes!  2.8 is a money size here.  Problem is that until F-one introduces that 2.2 I will never get to use it :).
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Chan on December 13, 2019, 06:50:02 PM
and If only I had a 6m I would be flying even on the lightest wind days  ::)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: JEG on December 13, 2019, 09:49:26 PM
What would everyone recommend for an all wind condition size wing for 81kg  or 180lbs rider. I can only get one wing and I'm thinking 5M?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 14, 2019, 02:35:52 AM
What would everyone recommend for an all wind condition size wing for 81kg  or 180lbs rider. I can only get one wing and I'm thinking 5M?

Where do you do most of your winging JEG?  If you get a lot of lighter air then the 5 will get you a lot of days.  4.2 if you are in a windier spot. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: JEG on December 14, 2019, 02:57:24 PM
Average wind here is from below 20s and sometimes just above 20s (knots). Mostly be a bay area and oneday will venture out to the surf spots.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 14, 2019, 05:20:20 PM
Two from today. 80 degrees. Wind 10-22 Nick (flakiter) drove up from Miami to pickup his 5í1 wing board and try his 6m Swing with (local) Dave who also has a new 6m Swing. Dave is using his 6í4 x 30 SUP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzgiXF31mdk
Jacky was using her 4.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwx0vKiBeDo
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 15, 2019, 01:06:48 AM
80 degrees sounds delightful.  You guys look like you are digging the 6's.  How are they feeling?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 15, 2019, 01:17:55 AM
Average wind here is from below 20s and sometimes just above 20s (knots). Mostly be a bay area and oneday will venture out to the surf spots.

If you are seeing lots of wind focused on the 20 knot range then 4.2 will be a good choice.  That is pretty windy.  The twist is that a 5 will open up every day with a breeze.  At 180 lbs with a 5 meter Swing you really don't even need a forecast to go winging.  We had may days this summer forecast as light and variable that were awesome winging days.  We would have missed those without a 5.  A 5 would also be the better choice if you eventually are thinking of a small quiver or even 2.  That way you could add a 3.5 and then a 4.2 to cover everything.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 15, 2019, 03:11:52 AM
80 degrees sounds delightful.  You guys look like you are digging the 6's.  How are they feeling?

No idea, mine stayed in the van. I pumped up my 5. Then had too much fun with my camera and never went for a ride myself. I can always ride tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day. Retired life.  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 18, 2019, 03:54:18 AM
Dwight, what foils were the guys on?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 18, 2019, 05:39:38 AM
Dwight, what foils were the guys on?

In the videos I assume...

Nick (orange swing) 165 lbs, is on the 1000 with ultrashort fuse and 340 rear on the 5í1 x 26 wing board
Dave (black swing) 210 lbs, is on the 1020 long fuse and 500 rear. 6í4 x 30 SUP
Jacky is on the 920 short fuse and 440 rear. (Her high wind setup is 900 with short fuse and 400 rear. 5í1 x 25 wing board
I ride the 1000 with short fuse and 440 rear.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 18, 2019, 07:24:48 AM
Yup, I was asking about the video. Thanks!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on December 18, 2019, 09:21:25 AM
Sorry, maybe I missed it earlier in the thread but what brand foils are you riding? I see 1000, 1020, and 920 but what brand is that?

Is everyone on the same brand board too?

Thanks
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 18, 2019, 10:07:52 AM
Those are models of the Axis Foils.  The 6 meter looks like it is working well as a good speed upgrade with the 1000 in this wind.  Stoked to see that.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on December 18, 2019, 10:23:22 AM
Interesting to see Nick switch his feet before he starts the jibe. I haven't tried that. As soon as I get back in the water I'm going to work on heelside winging. I want to start downwinding, and for the small direction change that requires heelside/toeside seems likely to work best.

I scraped my leg on the skankiest surface in Maui--the underside of the dock at the boat launch in Kahalui Habor, and got a bit of infection. It's muted down to a dull roar with antibiotics, but I'm out of the water for at least one more day.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 18, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
Is everyone on the same brand board too?

Yes, mine.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: flkiter on December 18, 2019, 05:09:19 PM
That was a great day to test out the 6, DW's boards made the foil feel like I was actually surf foiling a small prone in the small wind swell. I found with the 6 above me, I could pump forever. The 6 is a very manageable wing, the pump of the rear hand was long, slow, and powerful. The smaller wings seem to be a quicker pump action which I feel is due to them catching less wind. The wing only flipped over once when I crashed and was a little bit of a struggle to flip back over, had to be more to a wing tip but still way easier than some smaller wings I've tested. Really good low end and like all the F1's unlimited high end. Was also very easy to change direction and move around. If you're in Florida conditions and want two wings. The 6 and then a 3.5 or 4.2 will work great or just the 5 as one all around. Just my opinion for my 160 lbs. I've been on the 6 one other time and about 6-8 mph (13 Chrono falling out) I was able to get on foil with a 1020 Axis. The deflate valve on the strut is also a nice touch with the recommended PSI on the wing as well.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on December 19, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
Had my first session on the Swing 6 and wow, it was worth the wait.

I was foiling in wind the 5 won't touch. Once the wind picked up a little to where the 5 might go with vigorous pumping, the 6 needed no pumping at all. Just position it and lift off.

The upwind ability with the harness line on the 6 is amazing. It is so stable you can ride for a bit with no hands. When not doing that only fingertip control is needed on the front handle.
The back hand is not needed at all. I felt like I was almost heading directly into a very light wind.

The stability makes it easy to bring to your side when riding a swell and then get it back in action when needed.

Not sure what the top wind speed will be on it. I now have the Swing 4.2, 5, and 6. Right now I would say gusting 17 mph or lower I will take the 6. If it is gusting over 17 mph I will probably use the 5. Gusting over 20 mph the 4.2 feels really good.

I weigh 160 lbs. and was on the super stable Slingshot Airstrike.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 20, 2019, 01:30:38 AM
Great reviews guys!  What foil setup SupKailua?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: winged surfer on December 20, 2019, 06:44:09 AM
what is the lower REAL end of the 6M ?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 20, 2019, 07:16:33 AM
what is the lower REAL end of the 6M ?

That is going to depend on your weight and your foil setup (for all air wings).
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: winged surfer on December 20, 2019, 07:20:31 AM
Letís say 57 kg with 2100 cm front wing?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 20, 2019, 08:41:10 AM
What foil is this?  I can tell you that the 5 Meter Swing works well in 8-12 MPH for me at 170 lbs and with a big Axis 1020.  It takes a little more wind with all of our other front foil wings.  My wife at 115 lbs can use the same gear in less wind than that.  Wind that looks unusable.  I am hoping to get going in even less wind or stay flying longer when the wind drops below the threshold for the 5.  What is really cool sounding is being able to use the 6 with the faster, higher aspect wings in really light wind.  You are very light.  With an efficient foil you should be able to cruise in well under 10 MPH with the 6 meter.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: winged surfer on December 20, 2019, 10:49:04 AM
yes that's what i hope!
i friend of mine just borrow me the 5M and i can't wait to  try it and to check my self all the amazing things i've heard about this f-one wing!
i have the infinity 84 slingshot front wing btw.
thanks!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on December 20, 2019, 11:09:40 AM
I am using the Slingshot Infinity 84 with the larger back wing.

As far as how low it will go I think it depends on the location. When it comes to low wind I don't believe all locations are the same. Some have flat water, some have choppy water. Some locations have land formations that speed up the wind, so it might be lower or higher than the online readings.

I can only speak for my location which has choppy water and probably registers higher wind speeds than we actually have because as the wind rushes up the beach it speeds up and the wing gauge is located after the wind hits the beach. If I had to guess I would say the beach gives an extra 3 mph wind speed.

So at my location gusting at around 14 mph to 15 mph very large kites or kite foilers can still go and the Swing 6 is very comfortable.

At 13 mph gusts (not average) it gets difficult because during the lulls the kites can fall, so at 13 mph gusts the water is empty, and the Swing 6 seems to be able to still get going in the gusts. During the lulls I was literally holding the wing in the air going absolutely no where, then when a gust came I would pump, and most of the time once I was up I could stay up but would come down when turning around.

So if you take off the 3 mph for the beach effect I believe the 6 is going in under 10 mph average wind speeds. If you look at their guide https://www.f-one.world/product/swing/#specifications it says the 6 starts in 8 knots, which is slightly over 9 mph average, and I believe that is what I had for part of my session yesterday.

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 21, 2019, 04:06:54 AM
yes that's what i hope!
i friend of mine just borrow me the 5M and i can't wait to  try it and to check my self all the amazing things i've heard about this f-one wing!
i have the infinity 84 slingshot front wing btw.
thanks!

Hi Winged,

I wasn't originally convinced that I would want anything larger than the 5 meter Swing.  But this video (below) of the 6 Meter Swing blew my doors off.  That is kind of wind that Chan can ride on the 5 meter and our Axis 1020 and I want a taste :).  I am talking about zero whitecap wind.  Water with almost no texture.

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 21, 2019, 04:09:47 AM
https://www.facebook.com/fonekites/videos/2320143114966539/
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: winged surfer on December 21, 2019, 04:13:17 AM
Admin,
Thatís pretty amazing!
I assume that in the video they are using the 6M ? Or as you wrote they are using the 5M?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 21, 2019, 04:18:22 AM
Admin,
Thatís pretty amazing!
I assume that in the video they are using the 6M ? Or as you wrote they are using the 5M?

Sorry, I cleared up my post.  That is the 6 Meter in the Video and that is what an extra 20% of area is going to get us :) ...and he is my weight.  At 125 lbs you are going to be flying on glass.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: flkiter on December 24, 2019, 01:16:25 PM
Happy holidays everyone. We had off shore winds today in Miami. I went out on the 6 and the Axis 1020, it was more than doable and a ton of fun catching the waves. Little rollers so the wing wasn't hitting the wave but showed huge potential of the wing in bad kite conditions. One of the local sup foilers wasn't going to get into the wing and then saw me riding so now he has a 6 on order. He was having some fear of missing out and called a few places for a wing. One guy said "you're really asking a lot from me", I thought that was really funny. So if anyone is looking for a 6 or 5, liquid surf and sail has 5's left and Jupiter kite boarding might have both still.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on December 27, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
Here is a shot of the 5 meter Swing laid  on top of the 6 meter.  Not perfect (I lined up the leading edge handles and flattened them as best I could) but it gives you an idea of where the extra area is going.  I do think that this is different than what I am seeing in other larger wings from other brands which seem like they are going lower aspect as size increases.  This looks higher aspect if anything.

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: oakfish on December 29, 2019, 11:06:28 AM
I'm looking for a 6m in deep blue/orange.  Anyone have a line on a shop with one?
Thanks!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 01, 2020, 03:11:23 PM
I was just reading the Gong forum and found a post where the owner said, I will never ride without a harness.

He also said he was using the same harness we do. Dakine Cameleon with panties removed. Funny French to English translation for seat attachment.  ;D For the same reason we use it. Itís the softest, least restrictive. Heís been racing in the harness too.

Iíd bet the farm, wing harness are released next season by everyone.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 11, 2020, 12:10:15 PM
Good example of the Swing wind range in the hands of experienced wingers and a newbie.

FYI itís 80 degrees with 70 degree water so the Floridians are dressed like itís 50. The newbie had a hood on.   ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqcL6PfB8_s
Title: Re: F-One Swing-Harness Line
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 14, 2020, 05:40:12 AM
The best harness for winging (in my opinion) is now half price. The seat part is attached with Velcro. Remove it and throw it away. This harness is super soft and doesnít interfere with mobility like other harnesses.

https://kiteboarding.com/proddetail.asp?prod=dakine2017_chameleon_size_color&cat=25
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on January 14, 2020, 10:27:09 AM
I'm having some issues with my harness. I use a waist belt and the Fone lines, but once I'm in the harness the position of the wing is limited. If I get overpowered I can't raise the wing over my head and luff it, all I can do is sheet out and pray. Did you extend your lines or are you doing something different in the gusts.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on January 14, 2020, 10:38:16 AM
I probably ride in less wind so it is not a problem as much but I can raise it up, not over my head, but enough so it gets less power, and then I pull down a bit on the front handle for even less power. I also normally head very much upwind and use all my body weight against it so I don't get over powered.

If it is blowing like crazy and I really should be on a smaller wing than I do not hook in as I would feel over powered.

I use the harness all the time when going upwind. The only issue I had is last time out one side somehow slipped over the knot and came undone.

Maybe I am the only one this happened to, but if anyone else had their harness line come undone while foiling please let me know if you found a solution.

I got very tired after that having to head up wind without the harness line.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 14, 2020, 01:50:01 PM
Bill,

I donít ride in the harness all the time. Use it when it makes sense.

Itís very effective for adding power. Locked in, ripping upwind.

Iím out of the harness when itís out of control. Surfing, off the wind, etc. Just being able to take a rest and cruise whenever possible, is all the difference needed to save this old body.

Iím probably guilty of rigging down sooner than some, just because I like to use the harness. Rigging down also saves the canopy from flapping too much. Iím certain these canopies will degrade pretty quick compared to kites.

Does your setup allow you to get in and out of harness easy? I get out at every sign of too much wind, then get right back in after it passes. Automatic, no hassles.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on January 14, 2020, 07:33:29 PM
It was 35 gusting to 47 when I got in the water at Kanaha today. Pretty crazy--Gorge conditions in Maui. I used my 3.5 Fone and Axis 960 and I was still over powered and over foiled. Still, crazy wind is the fat guys revenge. I had a blast. But my board kept trying to take my head off when I fell. I was using a waist harness. Changed to ankle and that stopped. I'm not sure why, might have just been dumb luck.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on January 14, 2020, 07:39:43 PM
Gusting up to 30 mph in Kailua today. I found out that is really too much for the Swing 4.2. It gets really jumpy in that wind and the flapping is loud!

Luckily most of the time the gusting was around 25 mph and that was controllable and fun.

I think for me 25 mph is the top wind speed the 4.2 can handle. If I had something smaller I would have used it, but this type of wind is rare for Kailua.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 15, 2020, 02:50:34 AM
The 3.5 is pretty surprising.  It has a lot of punch.  That wing and a big foil will keep you moving in wind that wouldn't seem possible.  I love the super light wind days on a 5.0 but the 3.5 is probably my favorite wing.  It is so compact that everything feels easier.  With the Axis 1020 and modest wind it is great for learning new stuff.  The wing stays light in your hands and that foil will keep you up without a lot of input. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on January 16, 2020, 08:33:42 AM
Has any of you tried the 2.2 ?

Its very windy for the foreseeable future in Cape Town, gusts up to 44 knots right now...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: flkiter on January 16, 2020, 08:48:34 AM
I'm finding that if I'm in an open area that the 3.5 has more than enough power to ride add if I'm intercostal or a spot that has wind shadows then the 4.2 is my choice since the wing tip can catch that higher cleaner wind. If I'm in total off shore winds then I'm on the 6 so it catches the winds coming over the structures near the beach. It'll launch me onto foil and then I'm riding very depowered. Maybe future design for off shore would be high aspect to grab the upper winds.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on January 16, 2020, 09:11:53 AM
Has any of you tried the 2.2 ?

Its very windy for the foreseeable future in Cape Town, gusts up to 44 knots right now...

It's a pretty thing. I've held one in high wind, but not in the water, just looking it over. It seemed so tiny but in the 35+ wind it had some good pull without becoming hard to control. I was tempted, but I'm certain it would just sit in my truck. At 235 I'd need a lot of wind for that, and high wind is rare in Maui.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 16, 2020, 09:27:33 AM
Has any of you tried the 2.2 ?

Its very windy for the foreseeable future in Cape Town, gusts up to 44 knots right now...

I have never seen the 2.2 but Chan wants to get one when the distributor has them in stock (not on their site yet). I know that she will get a lot of use out of it...which will free the 2.8 up :).
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: peterp on January 19, 2020, 03:36:55 AM
Has any of you tried the 2.2 ?

Its very windy for the foreseeable future in Cape Town, gusts up to 44 knots right now...

Cameron is supposed to get stock of the 2.2m in Cape Town next week - certainly would have been the ticket last few days - 4 days of ave. 40kn hitting 50+ in gusts.....
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 20, 2020, 01:17:27 AM
Good to know that they are our there in the wild :).
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on January 24, 2020, 11:52:03 AM
Riding the 4.2 down here in the Grenadines for a couple weeks and enjoying the F-One more each session. Initially I preferred the Duotone and the familiarity of the boom, but I think what people have said is right about the F-One and the power and now getting very used to the straps.
  I still have yet to get up and riding the NP foil on my Jimmy Lewis Flying V but getting close.  The wind has been crazy strong with big swells and I am in a channel so itís spooky place to learn. I learned to windsurf here so Iíll probably figure it out or die trying.
I did have a couple good sessions on my 10í SUP and thatís how I really got dialed in with the wing.   I am wondering if I could use my windsurfer with the F-One and potentially get in the footstraps and planing...anyone been able to do this?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on January 24, 2020, 12:40:46 PM
Caribsurf, are you placing your foil to the rear of the tracks?  That helped me quite a bit by allowing the board to pivot off the tail a bit more and release.  I had run it in the middle to try and create more lift, but it wasn't really helping after all. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on January 25, 2020, 05:19:41 AM
Hey VB yes the foil is as far back on the track as it can go.  I think the combination of the big chop, big winds and learning to use the F-One Swing didnít really allow me to even consider trying to get up on the foil.  Hopefully a more manageable day will come and I can focus mostly on getting on the foil.  It seemed so easy behind a jet ski, but so much more challenging than I figured.  I am also going to go to a deep point break and try surfing the foil there which should teach me a lot
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 25, 2020, 06:47:22 AM
Hi Carib,

It sounds like you are doing great.  What foil setup and board size are you on?  We struggled a lot with positioning the foil as well.  Because you have no reference to draw on it takes a while.  It did for us.  There are big differences in where the tracks are on different boards and also where the front wing will be positioned is different on different foil setups so blanket sliding the mount forward or back is possibly too general.  Wing size is going to matter as well.  If you are not feeling any (or enough) lift you may want to adjust the wing forward or your stance back and if it is hard keeping it down, foil back or stance forward may be better.  Can you check how your front wing is aligned under your stance?  For instance, is it centered between your feet or way forward or back? 

You are right that flatter water will help a lot.  Mellow conditions make it much easier.  Although, I know you are not going to wait for those days :).
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: eastbound on January 25, 2020, 06:52:18 AM
now im getting wary
you are thrice the WS'er i ever was, carib---ive seen video!
and seems those skills help with wing foiling (or whatever it's called)

ima get lessons a couple times and see what gives---try to avoid loading up on gear i soon need to blow out

least of my worries as i deal with day two post-hernia surgery--ouch

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on January 25, 2020, 02:08:57 PM
6m owners, what is the low end compared to the 5M? Worth shelling out the dough for those super light wind sessions?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 25, 2020, 02:53:38 PM
2 mph earlier than the 5m goes, whatever that is for you.

Itís nice to have, on a day when you know the sea breeze is not going to build like usual. So I rig the 6m knowing Iíll have a great day.

At first I didnít use it much, but then I had some great days on it. Now Iíd hate to be without it.

Anyone else having random slow loading of the zone?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: flkiter on January 25, 2020, 02:56:09 PM
Depending where you're at (I'm in South Florida), I find the 6 and 4.2 are my main two used wings. Went out on the 5 the other day and felt like I should of went on the 6 for easier pop onto foil. The handling of the 5 and 6 seems about the same to me. Reason for the 6 and 4.2 for me is that it's either light winds and I need all the low end I can get or it's blasting over 15 knots and the 4.2 is perfect
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: obxDave on January 25, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
Depending where you're at (I'm in South Florida), I find the 6 and 4.2 are my main two used wings. Went out on the 5 the other day and felt like I should of went on the 6 for easier pop onto foil. The handling of the 5 and 6 seems about the same to me. Reason for the 6 and 4.2 for me is that it's either light winds and I need all the low end I can get or it's blasting over 15 knots and the 4.2 is perfect

FL, beginning to think the same way about my 5 and 4m Duotones. Too close to each other.

Pumping up in light conditions with the 5m Duotone seems to be my biggest weakness, among several others. Itís even worse on my ďweak stanceĒ side (78 kg, 1900 sq cm Gong pro XL). Even when I get up, Iím usually right  back off after jibes /tacks. Gotta work on pumping skills!

Reluctant to add a 7m. It just doesnít appeal to me to have to swing that much wing around.  Looking at the 6m size of the F1, Ozone Wasp and the Gong Pulse (due out in a few weeks). The F1 and Ozone both look great, but sort of leaning towards the Pulse with a $620 delivered price tag, and the fact that itís (already) the third generation wing from Gong. Of course Murphyís Law says as soon as I get it Mr Winner will announce the V2 Duotone, but I figure itís time to get used to soft handles either way. Also have a slippery new light weight 2100 sq cm foil showing up Monday to help on the low end. ......Getting very rusty with the cold weather and family obligations
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on January 25, 2020, 05:23:47 PM
I picked up a 6M Fone a few days ago and got a chance to use it today in light (15mph) flukey wind in the Harbor. I mostly rigged up because I wanted to try the 101 Axis, but with the wind so light I couldn't get it up. I switched to my 1020 and had some fun. I used the recommended 6 pound of pressure, which is probably a mistake. The wing felt "fluffy" and it was a challenge keeping the wingtips out of the water. That aside, I liked the feel a lot, super stable, kind of ghosty power. I got up when I didn't think I would (in a lull, going switchfoot) and couldn't when I should have (regular foot, in a gust). It seems like there's a bit to learn with this wing. Next time I'll try a little more pressure, but the wind is supposed to be up a bit over the next few days, so I'll probably be on smaller stuff.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on January 25, 2020, 06:07:01 PM
Hi Carib,

It sounds like you are doing great.  What foil setup and board size are you on?  We struggled a lot with positioning the foil as well.  Because you have no reference to draw on it takes a while.  It did for us.  There are big differences in where the tracks are on different boards and also where the front wing will be positioned is different on different foil setups so blanket sliding the mount forward or back is possibly too general.  Wing size is going to matter as well.  If you are not feeling any (or enough) lift you may want to adjust the wing forward or your stance back and if it is hard keeping it down, foil back or stance forward may be better.  Can you check how your front wing is aligned under your stance?  For instance, is it centered between your feet or way forward or back? 

You are right that flatter water will help a lot.  Mellow conditions make it much easier.  Although, I know you are not going to wait for those days :).

Hey Admin, I have a 6í11Ē Jimmy Lewis Flying V and a Neil Pryde Glide Surf large foil .  To be honest I am not sure where I have been putting my feet in reference to where the foil is as most of the time I am watching the wing and looking out for the random fishing boat or rogue swell.  I will try and get a reference next time. When I learned behind the jet ski I was riding a JL Flying V and Go Foil (not sure what model).  It. Seemed effortless to get up and ride the foil.
 Itís such a difficult set up here from the rigging on a rocky beach to riding and a little intimidating especially when trade winds and swells are running.  I am sure I will improve in Florida when I get back and then feel a lot more comfortable here. 
I appreciate the advice. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on January 25, 2020, 06:15:58 PM
now im getting wary
you are thrice the WS'er i ever was, carib---ive seen video!
and seems those skills help with wing foiling (or whatever it's called)

ima get lessons a couple times and see what gives---try to avoid loading up on gear i soon need to blow out

least of my worries as i deal with day two post-hernia surgery--ouch

Haha hope you liked the videos but those were a few years ago. . I know this is something I will be learn eventually and enjoy and same goes  for you..its such a new sport that there arenít many schools teaching wing foiling but I am sure there will be and that would help a lot. 
Heal up soon from that hernia!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 26, 2020, 02:05:17 AM
Hey Admin, I have a 6í11Ē Jimmy Lewis Flying V and a Neil Pryde Glide Surf large foil .  To be honest I am not sure where I have been putting my feet in reference to where the foil is as most of the time I am watching the wing and looking out for the random fishing boat or rogue swell.  I will try and get a reference next time. When I learned behind the jet ski I was riding a JL Flying V and Go Foil (not sure what model).  It. Seemed effortless to get up and ride the foil.
 Itís such a difficult set up here from the rigging on a rocky beach to riding and a little intimidating especially when trade winds and swells are running.  I am sure I will improve in Florida when I get back and then feel a lot more comfortable here. 
I appreciate the advice.

Hi Carib,

We are just a half step ahead of you in the beginner foiler process so this is all fresh in my mind.  On my current big board there is one relatively small foot position where the board trims and cruises best when on the surface.  I would definitely make note of that foot position on your board.  Maybe even mark your feet.  To start with you might want to position the front wing centered between your feet. 

I don't remember your weight.  I think that your wing is is 860 Wingspan at 1610 area.  That is smaller than we had initial success on.  Those measurements are not the end all but they are an indicator.  We tried for quite a while on wings of that size (and even larger) with no love.  When we went to larger wings everything clicked.  Once we got the basic feel of what was needed to take off, then the smaller wings became possible. 

Your launch and condition sounds tricky.  I wish we were there to flop around with you.  It has been a couple of months and we are gathering rust...



Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on January 26, 2020, 04:14:35 AM
Well noted Admin, there are a couple of X like markings on the deck pad which I believe are for foot placement, however I havenít been able to place them exactly there as yet.  You might be right about the larger wing also...speed would make everything easier.  Itís definitely easier using the wing and staying upwind on a SUP with stronger winds.
Itís a challenge for sure. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 26, 2020, 07:57:35 AM

.....I have a 6í11Ē Jimmy Lewis Flying V and a Neil Pryde Glide Surf large foil .

Board is too big and foil too small to make it easy.

 
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When I learned behind the jet ski I was riding a JL Flying V and Go Foil (not sure what model).  It. Seemed effortless to get up and ride the foil.

That school teaches with the Maliko 200. The biggest, fattest, slowest, instant lift foil ever made.

You need the Neil Pryde XL to have a fighting chance. Unfortunately the NP company has been sold. US distribution has been sold. So the XL wings promised to the US market in September never came. Thatís why I, and all my friends, switched to Axis. I suspect the recent dumping of NP foils at $699, was due to the change in ownership/distribution. Australia is having a better time at getting them.

If you switch to Axis...the 1020 is your easiest path to learning to fly.

Here is the deal with winging that trips up lots of newbies to the sport. Even guys with prior foiling experience, but not the best naturally skilled.

Foiling is super efficient. Once airborne, you power up very quickly. To the point of having almost too much power and speed for limited skills. So, for people like this, you ideally want to pop onto foil without needing lots of power from the wing ding. But this takes pumping skill and technique. Not easy to learn.  So the less experienced/skilled need enough wing ding power to just stand on the board like a lump of coal, and let the wind power bring you up to foiling speed. Then you go airborne and freak over the speed boost from the loss of drag. This is why the HUGE foils really help when learning. They help lift the lump of coal.  ;D ;D...yet donít go so fast you freak out. Once you get dialed to this sport, you will want to go fast and you will pump onto foil in a gnat fart.
 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Wetstuff on January 26, 2020, 09:15:54 AM
Dwight...  That last paragraph was simply great. 

However, can you expand on: "to just stand on the board like a lump of coal" why would you not want a bigass board, (parallel thinking to SUP surfing) for initial stability?   Thanks.

Jim
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supmmmm on January 26, 2020, 09:16:32 AM
Morning - hope you donít mind me jumping in here - putting some gear together after trying winging last month. I bought a 2019 naish thrust surf xl foil which is coming in at 1572cms - will that be enough to get me sup foiling? Iíve read some on the forum of 2000 cms foils being used.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 26, 2020, 09:42:58 AM

However, can you expand on: "to just stand on the board like a lump of coal" why would you not want a bigass board, (parallel thinking to SUP surfing) for initial stability? 

A big ass board wonít pump.

Everyone must learn to pump the ďboardĒ into the air, to be a good wing dinger at some point.

Also, the smaller the board, the easier it is pump and to ďlearnĒ the pumping technique.

As an example, Jacky at 123 lbs struggled to get a big ass board (5í8 x 28 SUP 15.5 lbs) on foil. Yet, sheís an expert foiler, windsurf and kite foiling. One ride on a wing board (5í1 x 25 11.5 lbs) and she because a near instant pumping-onto-foil pro. Loosing 4 lbs of board weight, plus massive nose weight, just makes it click like magic.

The trick is to get your foiling skill beyond day one kook mode. If that takes a big ass used board, then do it. Just donít spend $2000 on a big ass board that is a useless turd once you get your foil legs.

Another example. I have a 210 lb 69 year old buddy whoís an expert kite foiler, yet has struggled for 6 months getting onto foil while wing dinging. 7m wing and 6m wings are required in nuking wind for him. His pumps look like wing tickles. Board moves like lead. His board is a 6í4 x 30 SUP. Iíve been loaning him my 5í8 x 29 SUP for winging to help him learn the pumping technique. He is now stoked and sad every time he has to return my 5í8. I let him ride it every time I see him. He will soon have the technique dialed and be able to ride his own 6í4 and get a more normal wind range from his wing dings. Heís going to try my 5í1 x 26 wing board soon. I think he will foil like a hero on a 5í1 x 27 99 liter wing board.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 26, 2020, 09:47:14 AM
Morning - hope you donít mind me jumping in here - putting some gear together after trying winging last month. I bought a 2019 naish thrust surf xl foil which is coming in at 1572cms - will that be enough to get me sup foiling? Iíve read some on the forum of 2000 cms foils being used.

Cannot answer without your weight, wing ding sizes, wind speeds. Live at the Gorge, itís fine. Bigger is easier when learning. Frustration tolerance are all factors.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on January 26, 2020, 10:02:42 AM
My pumping is invisible to nearby witnesses but as clear to me as the extreme bend in my knees, a thought I invariably have just before someone yells "you need to bend your knees, Bill!".

All the same, it helps me get clear of the surface on smaller foils, but there is a point where anyone who weighs more than one of my legs needs foil area and wind. I'm constantly reminded that lift is a function of the square of velocity, and that's something every beginner needs to deal with. The body position that got you off the water at 4mph will toss you into the air at 8MPH with four times the lift. You also need to pay attention to that speed/lift difference when you turn, when you bear off downwind, and when you go over a bump--each of those things radically increases speed and/or lift.

Watching the guys like Eddie Ogata and the Kalamas doing high-speed, totally committed, hard turns on a wave face leaves me wishing for an ultra-high-speed video so I could watch every move their fine-tuned muscle memory is doing. It's much too fast for thought.

We can all get there, or at least get close. It will take longer than it took for them, and of course, they'll all be off on another even less assailable rung of the ladder, but even a stumbler like me can see that there's a clear progression in foiling that probably wasn't feasible in surfing. It's a lot harder to get going, and it's hard to progress, but so far the broad intermediate plateau doesn't seem to sit there like a barrier. Almost every day is a gain.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 26, 2020, 10:13:15 AM
Morning - hope you donít mind me jumping in here - putting some gear together after trying winging last month. I bought a 2019 naish thrust surf xl foil which is coming in at 1572cms - will that be enough to get me sup foiling? Iíve read some on the forum of 2000 cms foils being used.

Your weight is going to matter a lot.  Are you already foiling from another sport?  That is really the big deal.  If so, you already know the feel of taking off, have some pumping and turning skills, and can likely make a smaller foil work.  If not, you are really learning what it takes and feels like to foil.  That is a process and it is a gear reliant process.  It is a fun process though :).  Let us know your weight. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supmmmm on January 26, 2020, 10:17:43 AM
ďCannot answer without your weight, wing ding sizes, wind speeds. Live at the Gorge, itís fine. Bigger is easier when learning. Frustration tolerance are all factors.Ē

Iím running at just under 170 lbs, buying a 5m Swing for my Lake Ontario to start. My local beach can be sub 10 to 20 mph n then some. Trying to keep the sup foil board fairly small to do away with dead weight once flying. My current small surf sup is 7í10Ē @ 84 litres.
Ok with the frustration factor of going smaller. The naish website had the xl for rider weighing up to 210 lbs but I now see from their 2020 foil lineup that my 19 xl is coming in middle of the pack size wise in their roster.
When I tried it it was on a 120 litre board with a 4.2m sling wing.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 26, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
ďCannot answer without your weight, wing ding sizes, wind speeds. Live at the Gorge, itís fine. Bigger is easier when learning. Frustration tolerance are all factors.Ē

Iím running at just under 170 lbs, buying a 5m Swing for my Lake Ontario to start. My local beach can be sub 10 to 20 mph n then some. Trying to keep the sup foil board fairly small to do away with dead weight once flying. My current small surf sup is 7í10Ē @ 84 litres.
Ok with the frustration factor of going smaller. The naish website had the xl for rider weighing up to 210 lbs but I now see from their 2020 foil lineup that my 19 xl is coming in middle of the pack size wise in their roster.
When I tried it it was on a 120 litre board with a 4.2m sling wing.

Iíd add the 2000 sq cm size. You should be fine for awhile with that.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on January 26, 2020, 10:39:17 AM
Sorry, I have some issues with this emphasis that smaller is so much better.

I watched Windsurfing go that direction with the same emphasis, and finally at my location everyone had such a small board they had to sit on the beach most days.

I am seeing an issue with small boards with new Wing Foilers. They read something about smaller is better, and head out with that small SUP or prone foil board, and they can't even stand on it for a second because the wing keeps blowing them over, so some have decided Wing Foiling is not for them.

Again I have seen the same issue in Windsurfing, they start with too small board or too big sail, they can't even ride the board for 1 second, and determine they are just not cut out for this  sport, when actually it was their equipment causing the issue, not them.

I myself bought a smaller easier to tip over board, and when just learning the wing tried it out, and experienced first hand not being able to stand on the board for even 1 second. A lot could have to do with your location. Choppy water, small boards, and learning the wing are not a good combination. I went to a more stable board and learned how to Wing Foil. Later on I went back to that small board and was able to use it, although if I come down off the wing during a jibe, there is still a better chance I fall in than with my more stable board.

I am 160 lbs. I find if I have enough wind in the wing I can take off fairly easy on my larger board. Maybe the smaller board takes offer a bit sooner, but the key for me is having enough wind in the wing. If there is not enough wind in the wing to create a bit of pull, then I believe no board will take off. Again a lot has to do with your location. Many in this forum are in extremely high wind locations, so there is always a ton of extra wind in the wing.

At my location I advised one person learning who came up and asked for advice to use the largest most stable board possible for the learning period. Once that is over and they can control the wing with ease they can think about moving down in size. I like to make the learning curve as easy as possible and hope people will feel success early on to keep them excited about Wing Foiling.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 26, 2020, 10:40:15 AM
Just to illustrate how critical learning the pump is...look at this video again.

The guy on the yellow 5m Swing at 145 lbs on a 5í11 SUP, has been kite foiling for years. So while a newbie to wing ding, heís a good foiler. Yet he has struggled for a while, always having to use huge wing dings sizes, because he has not learned the pump technique. He is also 69 years old.

https://youtu.be/XqcL6PfB8_s
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on January 26, 2020, 07:11:29 PM

.....I have a 6í11Ē Jimmy Lewis Flying V and a Neil Pryde Glide Surf large foil .

Board is too big and foil too small to make it easy.

 
Quote
When I learned behind the jet ski I was riding a JL Flying V and Go Foil (not sure what model).  It. Seemed effortless to get up and ride the foil.

That school teaches with the Maliko 200. The biggest, fattest, slowest, instant lift foil ever made.

Dwight  at Good Breeze I also rode my Fanatic 2000 Aero foil  foil on the SkY SUp..much taller mast and longer fuselage and was able to ride that no problem. I think a lot of my problems have to do with current conditions and nerves...once I get back to Fl and get some days on the flat river with good winds, I think I will have success,  Then I can come back here in late February and have some fun.

Thatís funny that the NP Glide Surf L foil is too small because I had a hell of a time finding a bag big enough to bring down here   I canít imagine needing a bigger foil.  By the way what do you charge for lessons?  ;D.

You need the Neil Pryde XL to have a fighting chance. Unfortunately the NP company has been sold. US distribution has been sold. So the XL wings promised to the US market in September never came. Thatís why I, and all my friends, switched to Axis. I suspect the recent dumping of NP foils at $699, was due to the change in ownership/distribution. Australia is having a better time at getting them.

If you switch to Axis...the 1020 is your easiest path to learning to fly.

Here is the deal with winging that trips up lots of newbies to the sport. Even guys with prior foiling experience, but not the best naturally skilled.

Foiling is super efficient. Once airborne, you power up very quickly. To the point of having almost too much power and speed for limited skills. So, for people like this, you ideally want to pop onto foil without needing lots of power from the wing ding. But this takes pumping skill and technique. Not easy to learn.  So the less experienced/skilled need enough wing ding power to just stand on the board like a lump of coal, and let the wind power bring you up to foiling speed. Then you go airborne and freak over the speed boost from the loss of drag. This is why the HUGE foils really help when learning. They help lift the lump of coal.  ;D ;D...yet donít go so fast you freak out. Once you get dialed to this sport, you will want to go fast and you will pump onto foil in a gnat fart.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 27, 2020, 03:53:49 AM
ďCannot answer without your weight, wing ding sizes, wind speeds. Live at the Gorge, itís fine. Bigger is easier when learning. Frustration tolerance are all factors.Ē

Iím running at just under 170 lbs, buying a 5m Swing for my Lake Ontario to start. My local beach can be sub 10 to 20 mph n then some. Trying to keep the sup foil board fairly small to do away with dead weight once flying. My current small surf sup is 7í10Ē @ 84 litres.
Ok with the frustration factor of going smaller. The naish website had the xl for rider weighing up to 210 lbs but I now see from their 2020 foil lineup that my 19 xl is coming in middle of the pack size wise in their roster.
When I tried it it was on a 120 litre board with a 4.2m sling wing.

Hi supmmm,

I am your weight and I can tell you for sure that the 5 meter Swing is an amazing choice.  With the right foil kit you can foil in sub 10 MPH.  If you want to get foiling in the lightest side of the range mentioned, you will want a whopper foil.  For me that is the Axis 1020.  I would miss a lot of days without it. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on January 28, 2020, 04:00:45 AM

That school teaches with the Maliko 200. The biggest, fattest, slowest, instant lift foil

If you switch to Axis...the 1020 is your easiest path to learning to fly.

Dwight if Maliko 200 is easy foil to ride, you still like Axis 1020 better?  Also if front wing is 1020 what size would you choose for rear wing?  Appreciate the suggestions
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 28, 2020, 08:23:45 AM

.....I have a 6í11Ē Jimmy Lewis Flying V and a Neil Pryde Glide Surf large foil .

Board is too big and foil too small to make it easy.

 
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When I learned behind the jet ski I was riding a JL Flying V and Go Foil (not sure what model).  It. Seemed effortless to get up and ride the foil.

That school teaches with the Maliko 200. The biggest, fattest, slowest, instant lift foil ever made.

You need the Neil Pryde XL to have a fighting chance. Unfortunately the NP company has been sold. US distribution has been sold. So the XL wings promised to the US market in September never came. Thatís why I, and all my friends, switched to Axis. I suspect the recent dumping of NP foils at $699, was due to the change in ownership/distribution. Australia is having a better time at getting them.

If you switch to Axis...the 1020 is your easiest path to learning to fly.

Here is the deal with winging that trips up lots of newbies to the sport. Even guys with prior foiling experience, but not the best naturally skilled.

Foiling is super efficient. Once airborne, you power up very quickly. To the point of having almost too much power and speed for limited skills. So, for people like this, you ideally want to pop onto foil without needing lots of power from the wing ding. But this takes pumping skill and technique. Not easy to learn.  So the less experienced/skilled need enough wing ding power to just stand on the board like a lump of coal, and let the wind power bring you up to foiling speed. Then you go airborne and freak over the speed boost from the loss of drag. This is why the HUGE foils really help when learning. They help lift the lump of coal.  ;D ;D...yet donít go so fast you freak out. Once you get dialed to this sport, you will want to go fast and you will pump onto foil in a gnat fart.

Correction. Neil Pryde reached out to me.  Not sold. Just had supplier issues. Back to normal. XL and Slim wings coming soon.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 28, 2020, 09:01:40 AM
Caribsurf, admin learned on both those wings. He should answer.

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 29, 2020, 04:45:04 AM
Caribsurf, admin learned on both those wings. He should answer.

We started on the GoFoils and while we learned a lot on them in regards to board maneuvering, setup, starts, etc., they never felt quite right.  They seemed to drag in low wind and jerk up in strong wind.  It is is possible that they are awesome for surf or SUP (we have no experience with either) but for the wing it was a very inconsistent feeling for us as brand new foilers.    A friend who had had a similar experience suggested that we check out the Axis foils.  I picked up the 1020 and 500 with a standard fuselage to start with.  The difference was immediate.  It just felt correct.  Much less drag when surface bound and a smooth and easy lift off.  It was exactly what I had pictured foiling to be like. 

I figured out the pump motion in the air not on the surface.  It is the same motion that will get you airborne but it is much easier to practice when you are flying.  That is why a really user friendly foil is so important.  It will get you flying, then you can work out the pumping motion, then you use a variation of that same motion to take off more easily and in lighter wind.

The 920 and 1020 are both super easy and user friendly foils.  I am a bit evangelical about those but only because they turned on foiling for us.  This is the most gear specific sport I have ever tried. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on January 29, 2020, 09:49:17 AM
Admin many thanks for the thorough information and recommendation. Iím probably at the same stage you were when you were riding the go foil, so maybe I should invest in an Axis. Quite a few zoners seem to rave about it, and I shouldíve done more research before I bought the neil pride. The new price price was too good to be true and maybe thereís a reason for that. But I imagine once I learn and am better at foiling I could come back to the Neil pride and probably ride it once I know what Iím doing
Appreciate all the info from everyone.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 29, 2020, 10:08:04 AM
Admin many thanks for the thorough information and recommendation. Iím probably at the same stage you were when you were riding the go foil, so maybe I should invest in an Axis. Quite a few zoners seem to rave about it, and I shouldíve done more research before I bought the neil pride. The new price price was too good to be true and maybe thereís a reason for that. But I imagine once I learn and am better at foiling I could come back to the Neil pride and probably ride it once I know what Iím doing
Appreciate all the info from everyone.

For sure, Carib.  I have no info on the NP foils but once you have the basics I bet that most foils will be workable within their range.  The motions required to make it happen are not complicated, taxing or very "athletic" and I think that getting them down is well within the range of anyone who can master SUP, for instance.  Getting those motions in your head, however, takes time, patience and gear experimentation.  It all feels unfamiliar at first but that slowly peels away.

The process is incredibly fun.  We have never had a better time learning any sport. I can't wait for the water to crack 40 :). 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Sweetlife on January 29, 2020, 04:50:56 PM
Admin many thanks for the thorough information and recommendation. I’m probably at the same stage you were when you were riding the go foil, so maybe I should invest in an Axis. Quite a few zoners seem to rave about it, and I should’ve done more research before I bought the neil pride. The new price price was too good to be true and maybe there’s a reason for that. But I imagine once I learn and am better at foiling I could come back to the Neil pride and probably ride it once I know what I’m doing
Appreciate all the info from everyone.
Caribsurf,  The NP Glide L is fine for learning.  Try to get out in flat water rather than large swell, waves and big chop.  Ideally winds around 20-25kts will make it easy to pop on the foil (assuming your using a 4.2M).   The NP Glide with the Large wing and large tail wing is a very smooth feeling foil with a lot of side to side stability.  As you get more foiling time under your belt, you will find your low end wind range increases with this same setup.  I do think that if the NP XL wing was available now it would most likely be even easier to learn but having the L front wing is fine.  It just means going out in slightly stronger winds. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on January 29, 2020, 10:38:12 PM
I have Gofoil IWA/M200?/M280  and Axis S820 S920 S1020 S900 and S1000 and gave my NP large and medium to my daughter
If NP would have come out with the XL and Medium Slim a bit quicker I would still be on NP.

They are just as good as the Axis foils but not enough choice of wings and very good value.

A good winger can get the NP large / F-One 5.0 flying in 12 knots.

The NP XL/ F-One 6.o probably in 8 or 9 knots depending on weight and ability.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on January 30, 2020, 03:00:14 AM
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Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Adolfo on January 30, 2020, 03:23:57 AM
One quick note on the NP.
Be sure to use de big tail wing for wing foiling.
Most times I use the small tail wing for sup surfing, and the big one for winging.
If you use the small one for winging, you will need much more wind to take off and the board will feel unstable.
If you use the big one for surfing, you will lose the agility that you need to turn on the wave.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supmmmm on January 30, 2020, 01:48:09 PM
Got my 5m F-one today! Gears coming together 😀
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: gzasinets on February 01, 2020, 09:18:14 AM
So, Swing owners - What size would you go for 12-25mph conditions 5 or 4.2? More interested to get into the waves and dw aspect of it.
Where does 5m become too much for you? I am 170lbs. Thanks
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on February 01, 2020, 09:51:15 AM
6 meter, but I'm 230#. All the same, the 6M is great in light wind. It's a little clumsy and I have to be careful not to dip a wingtip and flip it, but I can get up and foiling in light wind, and it behaves nicely when I'm in a wave, following the front handle nice and flat. I can ignore it until I'm done with the wave, pull it up and forward, grab my fake boom and sail out for another wave--assuming I don't fuck up the jibe, which is a big assumption.

Downwind I tend to pick the smallest wing I think will get me up off the water, usually, that's the 4.2, though last time it was the 3.something. If there are bumps to catch and I have too much wing I'm likely to over foil. I think that's because I suck, and I wasn't finding the best place or angle to go over the bump. Kathy Shipman told me she almost never goes straight over the top of a big bump, she either angles across it or finds a low spot to get over. Now she tells me. I was running over them without doing anything smart, and whenever I dropped over a big one I was up on tiptoes, praying that I wasn't going to get hit by the foil when I faceplanted. But a smaller wing helps a lot even when I don't know WTF I'm doing. Smaller, sleeker, glide-ier foil helps too.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on February 01, 2020, 10:22:59 AM
So, Swing owners - What size would you go for 12-25mph conditions 5 or 4.2? More interested to get into the waves and dw aspect of it.
Where does 5m become too much for you? I am 170lbs. Thanks

5m.

On reaches, the range is more like 12-21. But down wind, it can handle stronger gusts because youíre running with the wind, and not making apparent wind.

Itís no issue with too much power. Just hold it over you head, or by the nose handle. Donít let the wing dictate your speed and make you over foil. Itís no issue to control the foils lift and just surf it. You are in control, donít let the Swing control you.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on February 01, 2020, 01:12:26 PM
So, Swing owners - What size would you go for 12-25mph conditions 5 or 4.2? More interested to get into the waves and dw aspect of it.
Where does 5m become too much for you? I am 170lbs. Thanks

Higza,

Does a 5 and a 3.5 blow the budget?  That is a pretty big range for one wing.  I am your size and the 3.5 is way more fun in 18-25 but the 5.0 will get you out on the light side.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: gzasinets on February 01, 2020, 02:40:45 PM
Thanks guys! I think I am leaning towards 5m initially and see how it goes.

Bill, I think 6 will be too much or at this point I donít feel like having this big wing. Looking for something that will cover me for my crappy inconsistent conditions but 6 is scary in the messy waves we have here on the gulf when it is 20mph.
Dwight, I think it is the option that I will most likely go with, I had 5m duotone and it was fine. If people say that swing has more power for the same size then I will be ok on the lower end days..
Admin, thatís the plan - 5 then maybe 3.5 or 4.2 or maybe even all three. But for now marriage is important  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on February 02, 2020, 01:15:01 AM
Admin, thatís the plan - 5 then maybe 3.5 or 4.2 or maybe even all three. But for now marriage is important  ;D

That is a smart plan :)

The big surprise about winging is the very light days.  The 5 will open those up for you.  That basically means that at 170 lbs you can wing almost every free day.  On a 4.2, you are going to miss a bunch of those days.  You can definitely use the 5 in 25 and above, so you wont miss your windier days if that is your only wing.  It really is way more fun to have the right size though. 

We are all building these setups now and finding out what works so it is initially a lot of gear and expense.  It seems a bit like windsurfing like that to be nicely set up.  3 or 4 wings, couple of boards and with the addition of 2 or 3 foil wings and some little bits.   It seems like a lot but in reality the whole kit is similar to a downwind SUP quiver, a bike habit, OC, surfski, or similar. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: gzasinets on February 02, 2020, 10:22:15 AM
Yes, totally agree Admin! I donít want to miss out on lighter days since I am in Fl and we have plenty of those. Thanks for chiming in gentlemen!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on February 02, 2020, 11:11:24 AM
I am 160 lbs.

Gusting 17 mph or lower I would take the Swing 6.

Gusting 18 mph to 20 mph the Swing 5.

Gusting over 20 mph and staying over 20 mph the Swing 4.2

I have not really tested the Swing 6 upper limit as I only use it on light days and so far it seems to handle 17 mph to 18 mph gusts with no problem.

The Swing 4.2 gets difficult to handle in 30 mph gusts, but covers gusts from 20 mph to 25 mph perfectly for me.

For anyone in light wind locations, I think the 6 is a must have size to maximize your fun and number of days on the water.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on February 06, 2020, 04:38:28 AM
Hey Fone...add this to my wish list for 2021. Full valve on strut and leading edge.



https://www.instagram.com/tv/B8NeLKmnoQk/?igshid=8a2kx61qzp6i
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on February 06, 2020, 10:04:48 AM
The little beach ball valve on the 6M is a welcome addition and it fairly effective if I wait a few minutes for the wing to fully deflate. I'm not sure that a full valve on the strut would work better--why do you feel it's necessary?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on February 06, 2020, 03:00:40 PM
The little beach ball valve on the 6M is a welcome addition and it fairly effective if I wait a few minutes for the wing to fully deflate. I'm not sure that a full valve on the strut would work better--why do you feel it's necessary?

Safety. No stupid hose to blow off. They do blow off kites.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: obxDave on February 07, 2020, 03:12:04 AM
Hey Fone...add this to my wish list for 2021. Full valve on strut and leading edge.



https://www.instagram.com/tv/B8NeLKmnoQk/?igshid=8a2kx61qzp6i

If you watch that video Greg does this really cool 360 where instead of sailing backwinded half way through (sort of the norm), he just keeps the wing overhead and luffed with both hands on the front handle until he gets around far enough around to release and regrab a rear handle with one hand. Sort of like doing a jibe and toe-to-heelside tack all in one fluid motion. I have to try this............ with the required 50 splats along the way! ;)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on February 07, 2020, 03:19:41 AM
That does look really nice.  The windsurfing style backwinded 360 is always cool but this one is kind of a blend between kiting and windsurfing.  No way to do the overhead one on a sailboard :).  Carving 360's (the one he does at the end) are such a beautiful move, particularly with a long backwinded section...especially on waves. 

https://vimeo.com/389629572?fbclid=IwAR3C_xLTn6fiE1cwn9XUCrvWTAR71vNHvFzXwjI1p4AnYem3adOxhFmO1z8
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on February 07, 2020, 07:55:20 AM
The little beach ball valve on the 6M is a welcome addition and it fairly effective if I wait a few minutes for the wing to fully deflate. I'm not sure that a full valve on the strut would work better--why do you feel it's necessary?

Safety. No stupid hose to blow off. They do blow off kites.

Oh, I see, you would blow up the strut separately. The hose doesn't work all that well--crimps easily. I can see why it would be a PITA to blow up three struts separately, but one would be no big deal.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Rastaman3030 on February 11, 2020, 08:59:42 AM
I had a chance to try the F-One Swing for the first time last week. We were vacationing in South Florida and happened upon Crandon Beach on Key Biscayne near Miami. F-One was having a demo day for kiting and they brought a 4, 5, & 6M Swing along. I got to try the 5M with a 7'6 Rocket SUP and a 2,200 foil. Wind was pretty light - my guess is it wasn't gusting much over 13mph when I was riding, with lulls well below 10.

(https://i.ibb.co/gJ0d9sQ/IMG-3814-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CQj68x4)

Loved the Swing - it felt so light and easy on the arms when flying. It seemed to fly really nice with no weird behavior in the air. Yes, the handles are a little floppy but not bad and doesn't hinder the fun. Unfortunately my session only lasted about 20 minutes, I wiped out and when I came to the surface I felt something weird on me - sure enough I was wrapped up in a Portuguese Man-O-War. Scared the crap out of me. Tentacles on my face and on my lips, all the way down my arms. But it didn't sting me! It must've been dead and lost all of its venom or something. Needless to say I came right in and didn't go back out. Although I was really tempted to try the new Rocket Wing 5'10 board they had there. Side note, there are A LOT of those Portuguese Man-O-Wars on the shores of Miami and Fort Lauderdale right now. We would see literally hundreds of them washed up when walking on the beach. Is that normal for that area? Makes me happy to have a lake to wing foil on at home.

I actually bought a 6M Swing a few weeks ago never having ridden one and still haven't had a chance to ride it, you guys talked me into how great this wing is. I'm excited to try the 6M on light wind days here in Seattle.

Side note, I really like the color of the one that I rode (pictured). My 6M is orange and blue, I don't like that color as much. Hope they come out with some new or additional colors for the new model year. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on February 11, 2020, 09:43:09 AM
Nice photo....looks like a fun day at Crandon

The Man-o-war show up after days of southerly and easterly winds in Florida. which we have had for a while.  We have a lot in Vero Beach. 
Thank goodness you didn't get stung on your face, that would have felt and looked awful. I have been stung around my arm before and it looked like I had been struck with a whip.  Some Benedryl and vinegar on the sting and I was fine.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: VB_Foil on February 11, 2020, 12:28:39 PM
Just had a quick lunch break session on my 5M.  Pretty funny as my access point is in a park, where they are redoing the drainage.  It is basically a giant construction site.  I had to get the go ahead from the super before jumping the fence and going under the giant crane which was slowly making its way down the beach.

The reason for the post was the conditions.  We have had storms (w/out thunder or lightning) coming through all day and the wind was all over the place.  When I left my house it was 12-18 mph onshore.  When I got to the beach it was 13-27 mph.  The 5M and 2400 Armstrong wing took it all in stride and I was able to catch a few bumps before a giant squall came in and had to make a dash past the crane's dangling hook, which got uncomfortably close to the wing.  (I think the operator was getting a laugh out of it as I hopped the fence and deflated the wing in sideways rain).  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on February 11, 2020, 10:25:57 PM
Side note, I really like the color of the one that I rode (pictured). My 6M is orange and blue, I don't like that color as much. Hope they come out with some new or additional colors for the new model year.

My 6M is the same color as the one in the picture--black and yellow. I didn't think I'd like the colors, but it's really great looking.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: gzasinets on February 12, 2020, 07:49:46 AM
Love my navy blue/orange color. Also so light and stable and matches my gofoil colors  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Rastaman3030 on February 16, 2020, 08:11:52 AM
I finally had the opportunity to take out my 6M Swing for its maiden voyage. Rode on Lake Washington near Seattle in 7 - 18mph winds for 2 hours and 45 minutes. When I first arrived to the water the wind was so light (looked like 6-8mph) that I knew I wasn't going to be able to pop-up on the foil, but since I was already there and suited up I figured I would go out anyway and glide around not on the foil. To my surprise 2 pumps of the wing and board and I popped right up on the foil and was flying - wow this thing is a light wind monster! I rode without a harness the entire session - this wing is way less tiresome to use compared to other wings I've tried. The wing flew great and was very manageable to flip around after crashes, which I had a lot of as I'm trying to learn carving jibes - almost there! I also switched stances while flying for the first time, really fun learning new things on the wind wing. The only negative is you do have to be mindful of the wing tips hitting and dragging on the water, it's a tall wing.

(https://i.ibb.co/jzw8MjB/IMG-3149.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T10w8Np)

I'm honestly amazed that this is such a light wind sport. 6 months ago when I was seeing wind wings online for the first time I figured you would need 20 ++ sustained winds, but this 6M combined with my massive Gong XXL Pro wing will have me flying on light northerlies on the local lake all summer long.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: gzasinets on February 16, 2020, 08:37:01 AM
Great report Rastaman, thanks. I might add one for my Florida almost no wind days.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on February 16, 2020, 09:22:09 AM
The 6M seems to be a great weather control device. Ever since I bought mine the wind has either been completely absent or roaring. Right now the windows at Ponohouse are rattling and Uaoa bay is whitecaps and spindrift.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on February 16, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
That is great news Rasta,

I thought we had hit the low limit last year but now with a 6 for me and a 5 for Chan...It sounds like there will be no off days :).
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on February 23, 2020, 07:36:48 AM
A little Sunday Stoker:

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/86935184_3138128582883596_3320233938575687680_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ohc=ev826oEoBiIAX-uZbGI&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=8408af5e77a8801984469a36150d8d1e&oe=5EC6AA81)
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Quickbeam on March 01, 2020, 11:04:32 PM
I am still deciding what to buy for my first Wing and have been looking at a number of videos of the FOne.

Can anyone tell me if my iSUP pump will work to inflate the FOne? It's really hard to tell from the various videos. I have the Titan pump from Red Paddle Company.

Thanks.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on March 01, 2020, 11:13:15 PM
Probably. The wing takes a special fitting which isn't common, but it comes with an adapter that connects it to most pumps.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: gzasinets on March 02, 2020, 01:04:12 AM
The adapter though wouldnít feet my Duotone pump, I had to change the hose to fit the fone adapter on to my pump.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Quickbeam on March 02, 2020, 11:13:54 AM
Thanks Pono and Gzasinets. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on March 02, 2020, 04:41:42 PM
Today I pumped up my Swing 5 to 6 psi. About 2 minutes after I pumped it up I heard some more air going into the center strut. I have heard this sound before, but never a couple minutes after pumping it up. So I decided to check the pressure with the pump and sure enough it went down and required some pumping to bring it back up to 6 psi.

I am not sure why this happened. You would think at 6 psi and looking fully pumped up all the air would be in the center strut already and that hose would not be pinched at this point.

Anyway, just something to be aware of because if it happened while I was not near the wing I would have never known and I would have been flying at around 4 to 5 psi. I have never tried it like that so maybe I would have known something was wrong right away.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Rastaman3030 on March 02, 2020, 05:17:29 PM
With many brands now releasing their V2 wind wings (Naish, DuoTone, etc.), does anyone have any information on the F-One Swing V2? It seems that the wings they're currently selling are the "2020" and are essentially unchanged from 2019 except for the deflate valve on the 6M. And I noticed a few new colors as well.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 02, 2020, 05:39:24 PM
Today I pumped up my Swing 5 to 6 psi. About 2 minutes after I pumped it up I heard some more air going into the center strut. I have heard this sound before, but never a couple minutes after pumping it up. So I decided to check the pressure with the pump and sure enough it went down and required some pumping to bring it back up to 6 psi.

I am not sure why this happened. You would think at 6 psi and looking fully pumped up all the air would be in the center strut already and that hose would not be pinched at this point.

Anyway, just something to be aware of because if it happened while I was not near the wing I would have never known and I would have been flying at around 4 to 5 psi. I have never tried it like that so maybe I would have known something was wrong right away.

Itís the kinked inflation hose on the strut doing that. Happens a lot. Lift the strut to get better air flow into it. Then top off the pressure.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 03, 2020, 04:03:21 AM
Today I pumped up my Swing 5 to 6 psi. About 2 minutes after I pumped it up I heard some more air going into the center strut. I have heard this sound before, but never a couple minutes after pumping it up. So I decided to check the pressure with the pump and sure enough it went down and required some pumping to bring it back up to 6 psi.

I am not sure why this happened. You would think at 6 psi and looking fully pumped up all the air would be in the center strut already and that hose would not be pinched at this point.

Anyway, just something to be aware of because if it happened while I was not near the wing I would have never known and I would have been flying at around 4 to 5 psi. I have never tried it like that so maybe I would have known something was wrong right away. 

This happens to me a lot.  The air doesn't flow to the strut at all initially and then it goes in one big Pfffeww.  The strut is sewn to come off of the leading edge at a pretty significant angle.  That is part of what tensions the wing and allows it to maintain its foil shape even without wind.  I am still surprised by how beautiful this design actually is. That part works amazingly well.   The downside is that the air doesn't always immediately flow to the Strut. 

What I started doing is once I have some pressure (full but soft leading edge) I manually lift the strut into its full boner (sorry) position.  I straighten the noodle (sorry) as well.  That allows the air to flow in.

PS: 6 PSI feels super soft and response laggy to me.  I know that it is suggested for the 5 and 6 but I notice a big difference with higher pressure.  In light wind I feel like I lose a meter (at least) on these wings at 6 PSI.  Way too much of the wing pump is lost to  leading edge flex.  At higher PSI you get out what you put in and it leads to significantly quicker low wind take offs.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Solent Foiler on March 03, 2020, 05:08:12 AM
Inflation pressure is one thing that I'm learning is really quite critical. Went out yesterday in gusty 20-25 knots and immediately felt like I was fighting the wing (Gong not Swing) . The subtle softness from under inflation means the centre of effort /power moves all over the place making it hard to control. Went back in, put maybe 5 more pumps in and was much better after
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Quickbeam on March 03, 2020, 07:42:06 AM
PS: 6 PSI feels supers super soft and response laggy to me.  I know that it is suggested for the 5 and 6 but I notice a big difference with higher pressure.  In light wind I feel like I lose a meter (at least) on these wings at 6 PSI.  Way too much of the wing pump is lost to  leading edge flex.  At higher PSI you get out what you put in and it leads to significantly quicker low wind take offs.

So Admin., what pressure do you pump yours to?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 03, 2020, 08:23:10 AM
PS: 6 PSI feels supers super soft and response laggy to me.  I know that it is suggested for the 5 and 6 but I notice a big difference with higher pressure.  In light wind I feel like I lose a meter (at least) on these wings at 6 PSI.  Way too much of the wing pump is lost to  leading edge flex.  At higher PSI you get out what you put in and it leads to significantly quicker low wind take offs.

So Admin., what pressure do you pump yours to?

9-10.  At 6 PSI (on my pump's guage) if I push my thumb hard into the leading edge I get about .5 cm of give.  At 9-10 it is about 1 mm of give.  We are down in Mexico and I had the 6 pumped like this yesterday (warm day bright sun).  It remained the same with just a tiny bit of give.  You would need to be comfortable going firmer than the MFG suggests but at 6 PSI you are leaving a LOT of goodness behind.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: daswusup on March 03, 2020, 08:30:28 AM
Admin- You had me at "full Boner"
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Quickbeam on March 03, 2020, 08:42:20 AM
PS: 6 PSI feels supers super soft and response laggy to me.  I know that it is suggested for the 5 and 6 but I notice a big difference with higher pressure.  In light wind I feel like I lose a meter (at least) on these wings at 6 PSI.  Way too much of the wing pump is lost to  leading edge flex.  At higher PSI you get out what you put in and it leads to significantly quicker low wind take offs.

So Admin., what pressure do you pump yours to?

9-10.  At 6 PSI (on my pump's guage) if I push my thumb hard into the leading edge I get about .5 cm of give.  At 9-10 it is about 1 mm of give.  We are down in Mexico and I had the 6 pumped like this yesterday (warm day bright sun).  It remained the same with just a tiny bit of give.  You would need to be comfortable going firmer than the MFG suggests but at 6 PSI you are leaving a LOT of goodness behind.

Thanks Admin.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on March 03, 2020, 10:09:47 AM
Thanks Admin and Dwight, this is all good to know.

I am now sure I have used it with too little pressure as I have heard that air sneak into the center strut before and never tried to pump it after that. Now that I tried, I see it does loose pressure after that. Admin, I will do what you suggest before taking the pump off from now on.

Admin, I am kind of shocked you are pumping 9 to 10 psi if I am reading that right. That is a lot higher than the recommended 6 psi.

You mentioned "you are leaving a lot of goodness behind" by pumping to the recommended 6 psi. Can you elaborate on that goodness? Are you feeling the wing has better control, more power, or both? Can you go in lighter winds this way?

I have no experienced over inflating like that. Are there any risks going that high?

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on March 03, 2020, 10:34:50 AM

Admin, I am kind of shocked you are pumping 9 to 10 psi if I am reading that right. That is a lot higher than the recommended 6 psi.


You canít really trust the gages on hand pumps. Pegged on the gage is often 2-3 psi less than we see using electric pumps with auto shutoff at set pressure.

Itís still a black art.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on March 03, 2020, 10:44:43 AM
Good to know Dwight. I was wondering about this too because on my pump the harder I push down the higher the psi goes. So if I push hard I can get to 6 psi fast, but if I do a normal pressure I have to put more air in to get to 6 psi so I figured the gauge is not very accurate.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 03, 2020, 12:45:03 PM
Thanks Admin and Dwight, this is all good to know.

I am now sure I have used it with too little pressure as I have heard that air sneak into the center strut before and never tried to pump it after that. Now that I tried, I see it does loose pressure after that. Admin, I will do what you suggest before taking the pump off from now on.

Admin, I am kind of shocked you are pumping 9 to 10 psi if I am reading that right. That is a lot higher than the recommended 6 psi.

You mentioned "you are leaving a lot of goodness behind" by pumping to the recommended 6 psi. Can you elaborate on that goodness? Are you feeling the wing has better control, more power, or both? Can you go in lighter winds this way?

I have no experienced over inflating like that. Are there any risks going that high?

Hi Sup,

Yes, the wings will fly you in much lighter wind with the same amount of rider effort when the are fully inflated.  A softly inflated wing flexes a lot.  Watch your wing tips.  They feel super spongy/flexy at 6.  You give up a lot of your effort to that flex.  It doent transfer to lift.  At 9-10 the wing is very rigid.  When you pull you get close to 100% of that pull back in transfer to the board and foil. 

As for the gauges, yes, I am sure they are inaccurate.  The thumb test I mentioned above will be a good confirmation test for you.  On the other hand the 2.8 Swing has a suggested inflation of 10 PSI (the suggestion is different for the different sizes).  My pump reads 10 PSI when the 2.8 is very firm and it reads 10 when the 6.0 is very firm.  Here are F-One's suggestions:

2.2 m2 10 psi
2.8 m2 10 psi
3.5 m2 08 psi
4.2 m2 07 psi
5.0 m2 06 psi
6.0 m2 06 psi
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on March 03, 2020, 03:41:54 PM
I do:
3.5M  10psi
4.2M  9psi
5M   8psi
6M   8psi

I always lift the strut at about 5 PSI to get the pressure equalized through the tube. Once the strut is firm the tube doesn't kink and pressure will be equal. I tested the gauge on my pump against an accurate 8" guage. It's close.

If the wind is fairly strong I don't mind a little bit of tacoing, but when it's on the light side for the wing I'm using I add a pound.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 05, 2020, 12:05:59 AM
We had an epic day yesterday.  We woke up to 8-10 side shore and and it did a super gradual build to 17-25 over the next 10 hours.  Really high quality wind as well.  I did 6 sessions.  Hah!  I used the 6.0 in the morning and I like it a lot but for me there is an awful lot of overlap with the 5.0.  Probably too much.  Boy is that 5.0 an incredible wing for me.  4 lbs, Huge range, compact for its power and soooo freaking smooth. 

I wansn't really sure that I needed the 6.0 at all and I am still really not sure that I do.  I think that I caught a little bit of big wing envy from the heavier guys on the forum and wanted to join the party :).  I am pretty convinced that the 5.0 with different underwater foils can be a do it all light wind wing at my weight.  It covers super light to normal wind incredibly well. 

...and holy crap, paired with the Axis 1010, 460 tail.  Damn!  But that is another post.

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: gzasinets on March 05, 2020, 12:34:50 AM
Agree Admin, 5m Swing is very special. I think the range is wider than fone prescribes. I took it out even in 35mph once and it was manageable but a little scary  ;D those speeds still get me.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on March 05, 2020, 04:56:40 AM
Admin, your wind is a lot stronger which probably makes the 6 optional.

At our location, the 6 is required many days. It makes a huge difference for all weight riders.

If the wind is really light, it is the difference between foiling or not foiling.

If there is more wind, it is the difference between getting up easily on the foil, or having to do a lot of pumping with the 5.

The 6 makes the air jibes easier because the more power you have in the wing the easier the air jibe is.

The 6 goes in 2 to 3 mph less wind than the 5, and the same goes for the top end where it gets uncomfortable, but the range is also huge.

At our location the 5 is optional but the 6 is not. We have one regular rider who has a 4 and 6, but no 5 needed. The 6 has such a wide range that by the time it is too much wind for the 6, you can use your 4. I prefer having the 4.2, 5, and 6.

The 6 was a breakthrough for us and opened up a lot more days on the water and a lot less pumping too.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on March 05, 2020, 11:37:14 AM
I'm using the 6 ten times more than I expected to. For me, the 4.2 is the optional wing. 6 for wimpy wind with lulls and gusts, 5 for everything up to insane wind, 3.5 for nutso.

I do my fine adjustment with foils instead of wings. 1010/short/440 when the wind is at the upper end of the range, 1020/standard/500 for lighter.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supmmmm on March 05, 2020, 04:50:04 PM
Been staring at my brand new 5m for just over a month now. Will get it out on the water next week over March break - canít wait!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: scsurf on March 05, 2020, 06:59:06 PM
New to the forum but thought I'd post a few blogs that are Swing/equipment related.

https://bayareakitesurf.com/f-one-rocket-air-surf-the-wingsurfers-guide-through-progression/

https://bayareakitesurf.com/part-ii-wingsurfers-guide-through-progression-rocket-wing-boards-by-brian-friedmann/

https://bayareakitesurf.com/part-iii-wingsurfers-guide-through-progression-how-to-choose-the-right-wing-foil-and-board-by-brian-friedmann/
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on March 05, 2020, 10:48:42 PM
I had an incredible session with my 6M today at Kanaha. I only had an hour or so. we're doing a big remodeling project at Ponohouse. But I needed to get wet so I took a detour from going to Lowe's and hit it. So cool. I'm testing double front footstraps in the style of Robbie and Admin, and I like them. I haven't mounted the rear yet--I ran out of NSI stickons. But I seem to have pretty much nailed the front position first try. they might be back a hair too far, but I can tweak the track easier than the straps, so I'll try a half-inch. but I was getting up easily, ripping upwind, not so great downwind and jibing was hopeless, but I'll get there. Probably 99 percent of the session was up and flying, ghosting along in light air--probably gusting to 15 on the inside, a little more outside the reef. Hated to leave, but I got a lot done today. This remodel is going to be awesome.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Quickbeam on March 05, 2020, 11:01:16 PM
Can't imagine what you're doing at Ponohouse. From the pictures I saw, it looked awesome as it was.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 06, 2020, 12:32:38 AM
Admin, your wind is a lot stronger which probably makes the 6 optional.

At our location, the 6 is required many days. It makes a huge difference for all weight riders.

If the wind is really light, it is the difference between foiling or not foiling.

If there is more wind, it is the difference between getting up easily on the foil, or having to do a lot of pumping with the 5.

The 6 makes the air jibes easier because the more power you have in the wing the easier the air jibe is.

The 6 goes in 2 to 3 mph less wind than the 5, and the same goes for the top end where it gets uncomfortable, but the range is also huge.

At our location the 5 is optional but the 6 is not. We have one regular rider who has a 4 and 6, but no 5 needed. The 6 has such a wide range that by the time it is too much wind for the 6, you can use your 4. I prefer having the 4.2, 5, and 6.

The 6 was a breakthrough for us and opened up a lot more days on the water and a lot less pumping too.

Hi SK,

You are having a very different experience than I am.  Have you had a chance to try with fuller inflation yet?  I don't think I would be getting up nearly as early at 6 PSI.  That may make a big difference. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on March 06, 2020, 09:53:17 AM
I have not tried inflating it past 7 psi.

I think it is the lower wind speeds at our location because others are having to ride the same size wings as me, but they are probably inflating it to the recommended pressure too.

PonoBill sounds like he is getting a lot of use out of the 6 wing too.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Caribsurf on March 06, 2020, 10:17:39 AM
Ok first foil video shot by my wife from our deck at our house on the island of Bequia, St.Vincent and the Grenadines.

My 9th day learning to foil  and 2nd day with this set up.
F-one 4.2, Jimmy Lewis Flying V with Fanatic Aero 2000 foil.  Really like it

Winds 17 gusts to 22 mph..would have been better with a bigger wing.
Getting more comfortable with each session although I look like a kook.
Next step is learning carving jibe while up on foil....only 2 crashes today!
https://youtu.be/O39QOaLK718
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 06, 2020, 01:24:49 PM
I have not tried inflating it past 7 psi.

I think it is the lower wind speeds at our location because others are having to ride the same size wings as me, but they are probably inflating it to the recommended pressure too.

PonoBill sounds like he is getting a lot of use out of the 6 wing too.

Hi  SK,

I can't remember your weight but I think I remember that you are pretty light.  Is that correct?  If I recall correctly Bill wrote that he was over 200.  If so, his 6 is like my 5 or even 4.2.  No getting around needing the bigger sizes if that is your weight range.  Bill wrote above that he is inflating his 5 and 6 to 8 PSI (and if I understood him correctly he adding one more 1lb when it is light).   If so that would be 9 PSI in your conditions.  I find 6 and 7 PSI spongy soft.  You pull the wing right through the air at those pressures.  I bet yo could drop a couple more MPH on the low end fully inflated.

PS:  We really do get all wind speeds (both at home and when we travel).    The other day we started when we could not even get enough wind support to knee start or maneuver the boards well.  Those conditions when you are holding the wing up pretty well define "beneath the threshold".  As it slowly comes up or you get a puff you can feel where a wing kicks in.  I think that scenario happens frequently for all riders everywhere.  Wind comes and goes and it shows you the limits of your gear.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supmmmm on March 06, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
I will be doing my best kook impression next week in the DR  ;D
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on March 06, 2020, 05:55:02 PM
Right Admin I am 160 lbs.

Good to know on the inflation. I will try putting a little extra in there.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 08, 2020, 05:37:48 PM
Right Admin I am 160 lbs.

Good to know on the inflation. I will try putting a little extra in there.

I had a pretty remarkable session on the 6.0 today.  I am going have to eat a few of my words.  This thing will take you pretty darn low...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on March 08, 2020, 07:32:34 PM
225 as of this morning. I've been tweaking my wings a little hgigher in wind with lulls. There's a big difference with just a pound more on how effective wing pumping is. I can get up in muych lighter air than I used to manage. Some of that is better board pumping, some is ten pounds lighter, but some is stiffer wing.

I played with a Naish S25 a little bit yesterday. Just held it on the beach, didn't ask to ride it--I didn't know the owner. It's very stiff. It's heavy, but the stiffness makes it more responsive to the wind so as long as there is sufficient wind the weight is countered by the responsiveness.

Gen 3 is going to be great stuff.
Title: Light weight, Light wind
Post by: Admin on March 09, 2020, 02:41:27 AM
Here is a quick (beach only) video of a 5 Meter F-One Swing in 2-5 MPH wind.  The Swing is so light that it will fly itself when the palms are barely swaying.  So calm and well behaved.  The lack of extra (unnecessary?) handles allow the strut end to stay elevated.  That is unique and really nice.  The trailing edge wants to drop in light winds on the other wings that I have owned or tried that have more weight back there. I dig that the Swing holds its foil shape without wind.  I think that that is a big part of its magic and why it stays so manageable when the wind becomes really light or even too light.  A few minutes after I shot this I got a super fun foiling session on my 6 Meter Swing.  The wind meter never showed above 8 MPH :).  It was so light that I couldn't kneestart most of the time.  That meant a standing start (which I suck at).  I was laughing out loud that it could be that light and it was still foilable.  I had the whole coast to myself.  A couple of kiters on 15 Meter race foils and foilboards joined me after an hour.  It was great.  Then the wind dropped and we all swam in.  :)  I freaking love this sport!

https://youtu.be/GR0VR6cTDJQ
Title: Re: Light weight, Light wind
Post by: winged surfer on March 09, 2020, 05:20:44 AM
So good that you can foil in such light wind. So good!!!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 26, 2020, 02:09:18 AM
What an image. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8n-doSHmr-/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on March 30, 2020, 05:46:15 AM
...and some video of the same...Wow.

https://www.facebook.com/fonefoil/videos/2635097933376889/
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on March 30, 2020, 09:49:47 AM
Quote: ...and some video of the same...Wow.

Nice links, that invisibility feature is a cool trick. If you're having trouble posting I can give you some technical help. I think your automatic link parser is all bustzz. At least it doesn't like Facebook and Instagram links--but then, who does. I tried to dig the file locations out of the page html but sheesh, that info is seriously buried, probably only exists as a pointer to some SQL record. 

Interestingly, if you reply to the thread and look at the previous postings you can see and use the links.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on April 09, 2020, 07:25:02 AM
The Slingshot clone of the Swing. Nuzzipod posted a video. The play it once and vanish type I canít post here.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-wDf51Dwzc/?igshid=sn1rgbtxe321
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on April 09, 2020, 07:44:34 AM
Looks pretty nice from what I can make out.  Are we seeing a really reduced leading edge or just wide angle distortion?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on April 09, 2020, 09:14:38 AM
Wide angle distortion. In the video it looked good. Rear handles spaced wider. Stable.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Slyde on April 12, 2020, 09:14:49 PM
On the topic of leashes heres a small but worthwhile leash mod. High quality 100kg stainless steel ball bearing game fishing swivel. I've had these on a couple of months and been checking to see if theres going to be an issue with corrosion. I've purposely not washed them to see what happens. Just a little surface deterioration. Theres definitely a variable quality of stainless between brands so it pays to do your homework. You also need to get a swivel with a large enough solid ring to push your rope loops through. Without question this solves the problem of the twisted wrist leash. If you're gonna do this just make sure to check that the swivel isn't deteriotating at each session. Could be an expensive outcome otherwise!!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on April 13, 2020, 06:29:23 AM
Just a teaser but a beautiful heelside tack and an super controlled air in this one.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-6W3oNjVD2/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on May 04, 2020, 04:06:29 PM
Some great wave riding at an incredible looking spot!

https://www.facebook.com/fonekites/videos/778779472957811/UzpfSTY3NzEzODUyNToyODg1MTYxMjA0OTAwNjM1/
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: paddlur on August 07, 2020, 07:52:42 PM
Thought Iíd try the 6m F1 out as seemed to be getting some good reviews.Previously been riding Gong7m,SB airush 7m,Naish 6m,cloud 6m in the larger wing class.Just pumping it up first time noticed handles were pretty close together for me kinda alligator arm style,and never even tried it yet so from get go was going whoa maybe not for my style not off to great start,and the handles IMO need some upgrade too,in other words thought they sucked!so flimsy compared to anything Iíve ridden so far,but quite a few fellow winging friends really like the wings so had to try one out!Now wondering if F1 has changed handle location and downgraded handles? As the ergos for a big rider like myself were not my cup of tea I was looking for another rear handle for more power spread the leverage out a bit but nothing there!have no idea why they didnít add another rear handle for heavier riders think this woulda been a game changer for me liking this wing more,really like the lightness gotta say Itís flickability impressive,but the handles and locations really took the wind out my wing on the F1 6m for me,think itís a great wing for riders under 200lbs but above not too happening IMO compared to what Iíve been riding be curious to see any other opinions of the heavier rider crew on the 6m F1?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on August 07, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
All handles suck, so add a fake boom. A 3 foot (or so) piece of old standup paddle shaft and four of five velcro straps. I've ranged from 240 down to 212 today, and never felt the need for a handle past the last one on the F1, but it doesn't really matter, I use a fake boom. Way better than handles, it's stiffens up the connection to the strut, and you can grab it anywhere. Onehanded in the middle, whatever.

And I love my 6M. It's my goto wing for anything less than twenty, and it's not horrible to 25. I've successfully winged in sub-10mph wind with it. Once you learn to torque the wing to push your foil up you'll probably consider it magic. It saves a lot of work pumping your foil off the surface.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: headmount on August 07, 2020, 11:33:56 PM
Just a teaser but a beautiful heelside tack and an super controlled air in this one.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-6W3oNjVD2/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
I flew down to New Cal to get my brother out of prison there in 1988.  The prison was high up on a hill so it afforded a great view of the surf you posted here.  Of course I was on a mission, no surfboard, but it was pumping and fantastic to look at.  Made me feel not so bummed out.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: headmount on August 08, 2020, 10:56:06 AM
Hi Dwight,

Yeah that is the collar type and it is awesome.  I forgot to mention that the Swing leash is a thin woven leash that has a slight elastic inner so that it gives about 8 inches before hard stop.  It is extremely light and flexes 360 degrees.  It eliminates all of the hard plastic parts and metal joints.  It has no coils so it is as minimal as it gets.  Becuase they are including one with each wing you can keep one attached to each wing.  One less thing at setup :).  I know that I am waxing on about the leash but leashes were my least favorite part of wingsurf gear and this is a really good fit for me.  I have also settled on a 6' FCS freedom leash for the board.
 https://www.surffcs.com/products/fcs-freedom-leash .  This is also really minimal.  I have been using that on a waist belt but I may ditch the belt now.
So Admin.  This looks great but is there any shock absorption somewhere in this leash set up, more than the slight elastic inner?  Now that time has gone by, do you still like this set up?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: paddlur on August 08, 2020, 10:59:02 AM
All handles suck, so add a fake boom. A 3 foot (or so) piece of old standup paddle shaft and four of five velcro straps. I've ranged from 240 down to 212 today, and never felt the need for a handle past the last one on the F1, but it doesn't really matter, I use a fake boom. Way better than handles, it's stiffens up the connection to the strut, and you can grab it anywhere. Onehanded in the middle, whatever.

And I love my 6M. It's my goto wing for anything less than twenty, and it's not horrible to 25. I've successfully winged in sub-10mph wind with it. Once you learn to torque the wing to push your foil up you'll probably consider it magic. It saves a lot of work pumping your foil off the surface.
Bill great frigging idea canít believe I didnít think of that! you might of saved my F1 from the classified section Lol thatís about all I needed 1/2 hand more on rear handle and think it would be a great improvement for my liking,can you post a pict of your set up,get the gest of it but what are you using for grip hockey tape or?and sealing the ends off just taping em like to see how your harness lines integrate with that as I use duotones and and like to see how you connect with CF paddle cutoff boom.like the lightness of the F1 and to get a little more real estate outside of the existing handles locations would be nice for me as I have 20lbs on you and a wide stance on my hands for my comfort as my shoulders are quite wide and my comfortable grip is wider than F1s handles are this might be my cure,albeit tad more weight but still less than other wings still.wish F1 would use a longer rear handle like the clouds have that woulda done the trick for me,I just needed a tad more rear 3Ē so would be a great improvement for my style.I have a old paddle cutoff with a 1Ē1/8 OD is that what your using?Thanks for the tip Bill please post a pict of your set up👍
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: clay on August 08, 2020, 11:00:33 AM
I was complaining to Billy about the 6m f1, asked him what psi and he said 8-9.  Tried that, and than saw Admin pumps his to 10, so I now pump mine to 10.  Most of my complaints went away.  I still would like more handles further back when underpowered going upwind, fake boom helps with this.  I have found all wings have trade offs, the "softness" of f1 translates to comfort and less fatigue, especially after several hours, and days in a row.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 08, 2020, 03:31:38 PM
Bill,

Yes, I still love the leash.  It has just the right amount of shock absorption to stay taught but never jerk you too hard.  That is all just coming from the elastic inside the woven outer. 

I can understand what Paddlur and Clay are saying.  On my 4.2 (which I use a lot) the back handle is just barely back enough.  Riding toeside I have to jam both hands way back in the corner of the handles to get the wing forward enough.  An extra two inches would be super nice.  On really smooth days we can just fingertip any of these wings and all is good in the world.  But, when the wind gets challenging or super strong, we have no choice but to grab on tight.  A stiff and slightly longer handle would be awesome!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: headmount on August 08, 2020, 05:06:18 PM
Bill,

Yes, I still love the leash.  It has just the right amount of shock absorption to stay taught but never jerk you too hard.  That is all just coming from the elastic inside the woven outer. 

I can understand what Paddlur and Clay are saying.  On my 4.2 (which I use a lot) the back handle is just barely back enough.  Riding toeside I have to jam both hands way back in the corner of the handles to get the wing forward enough.  An extra two inches would be super nice.  On really smooth days we can just fingertip any of these wings and all is good in the world.  But, when the wind gets challenging or super strong, we have no choice but to grab on tight.  A stiff and slightly longer handle would be awesome!
Admin. Thanks.  Great.  Is the leash home made or did you buy it?  If so, link?  Thanks.  Just blew up my 6M Unit.  Gotta wait till the wind is light enough to use it.  30-40 now...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 08, 2020, 06:44:18 PM
Hi Bill,

These are just the stock leashes that F-One includes with each Swing.  I am not sure if they sell them independently.  It might be worth a check.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Phils on August 08, 2020, 08:07:24 PM
Hi Bill,

These are just the stock leashes that F-One includes with each Swing.  I am not sure if they sell them independently.  It might be worth a check.
I bought a couple of spares through BAK.   They are not cheap.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on August 08, 2020, 09:15:46 PM
Easy leash to make, but I need to find a source for the boogie board-style wrist cuffs they use. You can push elastic cord up the middle of spectra line, you can get fancy and use a fid to feed the line out through the side of the spectra and then knot it as F-one does, or just tie an overhand knot that includes the elastic. Then squish up the spectra as much as you want and tie off the other end like a long skinny scrunchie. It's a little fiddly but I've made leashes that way before. The alternative is some hollow strap. I have some 3/4" but it's a little heavy.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: dylbert_ on August 09, 2020, 05:28:49 AM
Like Bill said, super easy to make at home!  An alternative to hollow strap is dyneema chafe sleeve.  similar strength to round spectra line, but is hollow and flat.  I've found it holds up a little better than spectra line, and you can get it as small as 3mm.
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