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Title: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 21, 2019, 03:40:07 PM
I gave in to a growing interest and bought one of the F-one Swing wings today.  I could only find a 3.5 but that is a great size for us.  First reaction out of the bag was, holy shit is this thing light.  Scale time.  The Swing is 3 lbs even on my bathroom scale.  Damn!  Our smaller 3 meter Duotone and SPG are 4.6 and 4.8 lbs respectively.    I wonder what the 2.8 weighs.  I am not yet sure how important weight is (as these are all relatively very light)...but I sure am interested to see.  Tomorrow looks solid so we may get to find out :).  It also came with a cool little (3 foot) wrist leash that is just long enough to reach the back strut handle (plus about 6 inches of slack).  I Ordered the rest of the sizes as well.  More soon...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Surfside on August 22, 2019, 03:45:26 AM
Cool, look forward to reading about your experience with it.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: JEG on August 22, 2019, 02:34:15 PM
that is light and could be my 1st wing but the price may not be my liking.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on August 22, 2019, 07:27:46 PM
If that 3.5 wing can fly my 190# a$$ on marginal wind you should be able to foil on it in your conditions. Would be nice to read performance comparison with your duotone
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 23, 2019, 02:30:02 AM
If that 3.5 wing can fly my 190# a$$ on marginal wind you should be able to foil on it in your conditions. Would be nice to read performance comparison with your duotone

Whoah!  We had great (high 20's to low 30's) wind with bigger bumps yesterday and fairly steady.  My first reaction after this one session is that this 3.5 has amazing grunt and lifts like a much bigger wing.  Even so it stays very well behaved and spills air on demand.  It is incredibly light.   It is incredibly light.  See that?  I said that twice.  It has a notably deeper pocket than our other wings.  If I had a 2.8 Swing in the car I would have come back for it.  I thought that size was going to be for Chan only but we are going to need the 2.2 as well :).  My first day experience was very positive but I want to get this out in more modest winds and see if my first reaction holds true. 

You wrote that this is foiling you in marginal winds.  Based on yesterday, it definitely feels like it would.  What are you considering marginal?  When I got off the water I told Chan that I though I might be able to use the 3.5 in 15-20 but I was still in a mild state of shock or as millenials would say, trying to process :). 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Surfside on August 23, 2019, 05:29:03 AM
Sure would like to try one!
https://vimeo.com/353986564
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on August 23, 2019, 05:43:55 AM
Whoah!  We had great (high 20's to low 30's) wind with bigger bumps yesterday and fairly steady.  My first reaction after this one session is that this 3.5 has amazing grunt and lifts like a much bigger wing.  Even so it stays very well behaved and spills air on demand.  It is incredibly light.   It is incredibly light.  See that?  I said that twice.  It has a notably deeper pocket than our other wings.  If I had a 2.8 Swing in the car I would have come back for it.  I thought that size was going to be for Chan only but we are going to need the 2.2 as well :).  My first day experience was very positive but I want to get this out in more modest winds and see if my first reaction holds true. 

You wrote that this is foiling you in marginal winds.  Based on yesterday, it definitely feels like it would.  What are you considering marginal?  When I got off the water I told Chan that I though I might be able to use the 3.5 in 15-20 but I was still in a mild state of shock or as millenials would say, trying to process :).

We have a 5.0 Duotone and were thinking of getting an F-One Swing 3.5 but now that I read this we might be better off with a 2.8 Swing???
We don't want to much overlap but a gap that is too big is also not good.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on August 23, 2019, 06:13:24 AM
What are you considering marginal?  When I got off the water I told Chan that I though I might be able to use the 3.5 in 15-20 but I was still in a mild state of shock or as millenials would say, trying to process :).

A consistent 15 is marginal for us. From next month and all through Fall we usually get storms and that means 30's-60's. After feeling the power of that wing at 15 I would not go with a 3.5 when a storm comes for a visit. a 2.2 might be in our future.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 23, 2019, 06:52:37 AM
What are you considering marginal?  When I got off the water I told Chan that I though I might be able to use the 3.5 in 15-20 but I was still in a mild state of shock or as millenials would say, trying to process :).

A consistent 15 is marginal for us

Using a 3.5 for 15 would be a dream.  I have been using a 5 for anything under 20 and 4 for 20+.  My 5 is terrific but it is a big feeling wing.  If I could get into that territory on this paperweight 3.5 I would be beyond stoked. 

Watching that video I realized what I am doing wrong.  I need to be listening to poppy punk.  Yesterday I had Bell-bottom Blues in my head.  I am pretty sure that Clapton is keeping me slow.  Do you want to see me crawl across the floor...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 02:59:31 AM
Some more reactions after 3 days on the Swing 3.5.  It is indeed more powerful than our other wings.  It lifts more and more forward (more front hand).  That is pretty cool because it sets you up to weight that front foot and it keeps the sheet action very light.

Unlike the Duotone, it is no problem switching back and forth from the SPG to the Swing and it is very interesting to do so.  The Duotone has an odd behavior in that it flies wildly rightside up (from the leash or the leading edge handle).  That requires different management than the other wings which are very stable rightside up. 

There are only 3 handles on the Swing which I like a lot.  I am now looking at a lot of the wings that are out there and seeing a bunch of handles that I could never see using.  I bet that will change going forward.  On the Swing I basically use two handles (the front and the back) and really only use the inner back handle for arranging starts.  There is a learning curve with the front handle because when you are doing transitions your new hand has to replace the old hand in the single front handle.  That took me a few tries :). 

The mini leash is really cool as well.  I am sold on that.  These little things matter a lot.  I had been using a short leash off of a waist belt but this is too short for that and is designed for the wrist.  The best thing is that the wrist collar is set up for easy wrist slip through and tension.  Trying to get a standard Velcro leash with two free ends tight with one hand is tricky and often ends up in a loose leash.  This minor design tweak is really welcomed.  I am finding that I can usually just tug the leash once and go straight to the front strut handle.  The wing is light and balanced enough to do that.  This avoids reeling in a longer leash and more importantly I often don't need to use the leading edge handle at all.  That speeds up starts a lot which is really nice when the swell is knocking you around a lot (and it has been :)  ).

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 25, 2019, 06:27:51 AM
Here is the leash I found to be perfect for us. Like you have found, the cuff that you just slip over the wrist is ideal. This leash has another cool feature where the leash to cuff attachment can bend 90 degrees. Way less annoying.

We have the luxury of shopping at the worlds largest surf shop (Ron Jon) here in Cocoa Beach. They probably have 50 body board leashes to chose from.

https://www.hydrosportz.com/leashes

https://youtu.be/cYg5l87uumE
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 07:05:54 AM
Hi Dwight,

Yeah that is the collar type and it is awesome.  I forgot to mention that the Swing leash is a thin woven leash that has a slight elastic inner so that it gives about 8 inches before hard stop.  It is extremely light and flexes 360 degrees.  It eliminates all of the hard plastic parts and metal joints.  It has no coils so it is as minimal as it gets.  Becuase they are including one with each wing you can keep one attached to each wing.  One less thing at setup :).  I know that I am waxing on about the leash but leashes were my least favorite part of wingsurf gear and this is a really good fit for me.  I have also settled on a 6' FCS freedom leash for the board.
 https://www.surffcs.com/products/fcs-freedom-leash .  This is also really minimal.  I have been using that on a waist belt but I may ditch the belt now. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 25, 2019, 08:19:31 AM
That F-One leash looks nice!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: toejammer2 on August 25, 2019, 08:34:52 AM
How about price? I could only find one listed for $899.00 Does that sound right?
Iím about ready to cancel my place on ďthe listĒ for the Duotone 5m if I can find a suitable replacement.
Cheers
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 09:05:24 AM
How about price? I could only find one listed for $899.00 Does that sound right?
Iím about ready to cancel my place on ďthe listĒ for the Duotone 5m if I can find a suitable replacement.
Cheers

I paid $749 for the 2.8, $799 for the 3.5, $849 for the 4.2 and $899 for the 5.0
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: toejammer2 on August 25, 2019, 09:55:28 AM
Thanks!
Is there someone in the gorge who actually has them in stock?
Thanks!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 02:21:54 PM
Thanks!
Is there someone in the gorge who actually has them in stock?
Thanks!

I don't believe so.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 25, 2019, 03:11:33 PM
On August 14th, when this was posted, Windance said they had stock. Listen to the end. I guess Admin bought them all.  ;D

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B1KG_wEH_sq/?igshid=6bf4ne0m4ap8
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 03:29:14 PM
On August 14th, when this was posted, Windance said they had stock. Listen to the end. I guess Admin bought them all.  ;D

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B1KG_wEH_sq/?igshid=6bf4ne0m4ap8

Hah!  I wish.  I only have a 3.5.  I am waiting on the 3 other sizes.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: ninja tuna on August 26, 2019, 08:09:04 AM
Windance is sold out and waiting for a second shipment.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on August 31, 2019, 12:32:11 AM
Admin

Any further news on the Swing?
You have said that the wing has a lot of grunt for its size. Any thoughts on how the 3.5 swing might compare to the Duotone 4?
How do you think durability will go? Does it feel like any compromises come with the lower weight, or is that just through removing handles etc?
After your posts, Iím wondering whether the swing 4.2 might be a better option than a 5m....
Cheers

Hamish
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on August 31, 2019, 02:49:17 AM
Admin

Any further news on the Swing?
You have said that the wing has a lot of grunt for its size. Any thoughts on how the 3.5 swing might compare to the Duotone 4?
How do you think durability will go? Does it feel like any compromises come with the lower weight, or is that just through removing handles etc?
After your posts, Iím wondering whether the swing 4.2 might be a better option than a 5m....
Cheers

Hamish

Hi Hamish,

I have 6 days on the 3.5 Swing now.  Yesterday was a great test because it was going from very light inside (partially blocked by an upwind island) to good wind (22-27ish) on the far side of the river.  I moved up to an Axis 1020 (new foil for me) which has more lift than what I had been using.  With this combo the 3.5 will lift me up in some surprisingly light wind.  I definitely would have been fine with the 2.8 on the far side (and this was good wind but far from really windy).  Right now I feel like 4.2 will get me out in really light wind and 5.0, well l guess I will see when it shows up but from what I am feeling with the 3.5 I would think that it would work with a breath of air. 

It goes without saying that this sport is very gear sensitive.  I am sure there are sports with more gear variables but this is getting up there.  You can really throttle yourself with the wrong gear and diagnosing the issue may take experience that you just don't have (yes, that was autobiographical).  I mention that because your underwater kit will matter a lot as will your weight and body size.  That said if I could only own one Swing here in the Gorge, it would be 3.5.  15-18 is great on this wing.  If I were in a lighter wind spot I would choose the 4.2 (but this is a guess based on the 3.5 because I have never even held one). 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 01, 2019, 02:48:00 AM
How do you think durability will go? Does it feel like any compromises come with the lower weight, or is that just through removing handles etc?

The weight savings is from heavy part exclusion.  There are no extra handles or angle handles, no boom or second strut, no battens, no anti flutter panels or inflatable trailing edges. 

The canopy material is double ripstop and the leading edge materiel looks and feels to be the same as on our Duotone and SPG.  All of these wings show great craftsmanship in sewing and details.  Each uses abrasion panels at the wingtips. 

In our experience these wings are getting damaged in one way.  Hitting an upturned foil.  That will go through the canopy.  We haven't had this happen on the Swing yet as we try to be very careful about this now. 

The other thing that could damage a wing is dragging.  Things get a little unwieldy when you are carrying a board with foil and a wing over uneven and sometimes slippery launch environments.  Dragging can happen even when you have planned well.  For me the Swings are proving helpful here in two ways.  1.  They are very light so they remain flying in almost no wind which helps keep them from dragging.  2. I am toting a 3.5 where  I would have previously been on a 5.0.  It is just way less cumbersome.

I was initially a skeptic about how much of an advantage there would be to very light weight (because these wings are all relatively light).  In CNN speak, I have evolved :).  In my mind this is a huge benefit in every way. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: GL on September 01, 2019, 04:43:15 AM
Most of my launches make it almost impossible to carry the wing and board into the water together. To make this easier I made up a small anchor with some lead weights, a couple of feet of line and a large carabiner. The line floats. I carry the wing upside down into the water with the weights attached to the leading edge handle. I then let it float there anchored while I get the board.  In the water I unhook the anchor and leave it there for the end of my session. This has made my entry and exit from water much easier.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 01, 2019, 06:15:42 AM
Most of my launches make it almost impossible to carry the wing and board into the water together. To make this easier I made up a small anchor with some lead weights, a couple of feet of line and a large carabiner. The line floats. I carry the wing upside down into the water with the weights attached to the leading edge handle. I then let it float there anchored while I get the board.  In the water I unhook the anchor and leave it there for the end of my session. This has made my entry and exit from water much easier.

Wow, OK, I have to do that. Why I didn't think of that I have to put down to pure laziness. I look like an impending disaster getting into and out of the water.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on September 02, 2019, 02:35:48 AM
How do you think durability will go? Does it feel like any compromises come with the lower weight, or is that just through removing handles etc?

The weight savings is from heavy part exclusion.  There are no extra handles or angle handles, no boom or second strut, no battens, no anti flutter panels or inflatable trailing edges. 




Thanks Admin for your full answers there. Most appreciated!

Iím a bit worried about durability as one my one go with a wing it was getting a little beaten and run over by the front of my board (I was having a learnerís nightmare). But it sounds like FOne have lost weight without sacrificing too much in the durability department. Iíll look forward to reading about how you go when the other wings arrive!

Cheers
Hamish
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 02, 2019, 03:55:22 AM
Hamish, canopies are the weak spot.

They come 4 types.
1x1 strand reinforced
2x2
3x4
4x4

The 4x4 is the most crispy canopy, and from my experience, lasts longer. It just feels tougher.  2x2 feels like a bed sheet after using 4x4 canopy. Manufacturers use techno marketing BS to describe these differences.

All based on my kite experience.

I donít know whatís in all these wing dings.

Count the strand pattern in the canopy, when you see one up close.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on September 02, 2019, 04:16:30 AM
Iím a bit worried about durability as one my one go with a wing it was getting a little beaten and run over by the front of my board (I was having a learnerís nightmare). But it sounds like FOne have lost weight without sacrificing too much in the durability department. Iíll look forward to reading about how you go when the other wings arrive!

Cheers
Hamish

My F-One had few run-ins with my fins, not to mention the few times I landed on it clean full weight.
I also had the pleasure of dragging it on some hard surfaces.

I'm trying hard to avoid all that but luckily the wing is intact and still a joy to use.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: cnski on September 09, 2019, 08:16:09 PM
Windance should be getting their second shipment in soon. Anyone heard?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 10, 2019, 07:12:41 AM
Here is a picture showing the very different approaches by F-One, Duotone and Ozone.  One thing that sticks out to me is that F-one has taken a higher aspect approach which is using a more linear inflatable leading edge and less leading edge material than the more "D" shaped lower aspect wings (which are carrying the inflated leading edge back to almost the full width of the wing). It also shows the depth differences that are shaped into the wings.  You can see how significant the forward pocket is on the f-one.  Pretty cool.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: eastbound on September 10, 2019, 07:22:36 AM
nuther one to the dark side! burchas!!

im watching
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 10, 2019, 07:44:57 AM
I like that bit of cloth separating the wing halves and shaping the wing away from the strut that the F One has. I keep meaning to go talk to the guys at airtime about adding it to my Duotones. I think I can do that without compromising the boom much-- just use narrow velcro attachments and arced cutaways near the boom. One attachment in the front behind the likely front hand grip area, and one in the back, past the furthest like back hand grab.

this is probably the kind of mods a beginner would think about, that once I'm up to speed I'd never want to do. That's mostly what's keeping me from doing it. Well, that and laziness/distraction.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: burchas on September 10, 2019, 08:29:21 AM
nuther one to the dark side! burchas!!

im watching

That's why I'm on the bright neon yellow easty, it makes things a lot less darker :D
Stop watching and join the party, the cost of admission fairly low.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 10, 2019, 04:34:01 PM
Oooooh!  FedEx just emailed that my 5.0 is arriving here on Thursday.  Pretty sure that with me on the Swing 5 and Chan on the 3.5 we will be winging on soft breezes and little ripples.  Looking forward to that!
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 10, 2019, 06:34:26 PM
That was quick. I think you're going to need to talk Chan into a drysuit. She did not look comfy this afternoon. I forget what a big advantage it is in the cold water to be a lardass. While I was taking off my 2/3 shorty spring suit all the windsurfers were looking at me as if I couldn't afford the massive suits of armor with hoods that they were all wearing. The water was as warm, it was 65 out, and everyone looked like they were going to have to break ice to get in the water.

ORCA SUIT!! ORCA SUIT!!

Of course, when it really gets cold I'll get the hell out of here and go to Maui.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 11, 2019, 04:52:09 AM
I think people sometimes choose their suits based on calendar not weather.  It was 72 degrees out with 70 degree water and there were drysuits!  Now that's a way to lose some weight.  I was comfy in my shorty for two hours.  Wetsuits make me useless so my plan is to go shorty until I can't stand it and then neoprene shorts and a long sleeve top until that becomes painful. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 12, 2019, 10:01:10 AM
Crikey!  The 5.0 just arrived and it is 4.2 lbs.  Wow!  That is .4 lbs lighter than our other 3 meter wings.  Very stoked to get this thing out in some light air.  This afternoon may just work.  :)

Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Fishman on September 12, 2019, 12:16:19 PM
Crikey!  The 5.0 just arrived and it is 4.2 lbs.  Wow!  That is .4 lbs lighter than our other 3 meter wings.  :)
Wow that is light. Better make sure they put a bladder in it lol. I think a f-one wing will be in my future.

Weighed my Gong 7m. it's 7 lbs 9oz and another 7oz for the batons. So a little over 1 pound per meter,  but only 9 oz's per handle ???
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 12, 2019, 02:48:51 PM
Crikey!  The 5.0 just arrived and it is 4.2 lbs.  Wow!  That is .4 lbs lighter than our other 3 meter wings.  :)
Wow that is light. Better make sure they put a bladder in it lol. I think a f-one wing will be in my future.

Weighed my Gong 7m. it's 7 lbs 9oz and another 7oz for the batons. So a little over 1 pound per meter,  but only 9 oz's per handle ???

Donít use the battens. You donít need them. Maybe if you weighted 280 lbs, but you donít.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Fishman on September 12, 2019, 03:39:39 PM
Crikey!  The 5.0 just arrived and it is 4.2 lbs.  Wow!  That is .4 lbs lighter than our other 3 meter wings.  :)
Wow that is light. Better make sure they put a bladder in it lol. I think a f-one wing will be in my future.

Weighed my Gong 7m. it's 7 lbs 9oz and another 7oz for the batons. So a little over 1 pound per meter,  but only 9 oz's per handle ???

Donít use the battens. You donít need them. Maybe if you weighted 280 lbs, but you donít.
Thanks, good to know. I'd rather not mess with them if I don't have to.

I was wondering. I thought maybe if I needed to pump the wing In light wind that the battens could help with that.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: JEG on September 13, 2019, 12:36:14 AM
that Fone is light.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 13, 2019, 06:12:34 AM
My eyes are open!  I had a quick session on the new 5 yesterday afternoon.  When I went out there was a thin strip of whitecaps in the center of the river and none out to the banks.  iWindsurf was reading 6 to 13 on my phone.  I was fully powered.  There was only one other guy out.  He is a (very good) windsurf foiler.  He was on a 5.3 with a big Moses foil and he was struggling to waterstart.  Unfortunately, my leg was completely dead when I launched due to 82 degree temps when I started and by the time I cooled down the wind had picked up to 12 to 18 (which was already a handful) and then went higher.  I did get a few really fun rides on the far side but I was basically hiding from the wind by then.  When I came in I was very overpowered.  This 5 is going to be my ultra light wind wing (8-14).  From this quick session I am figuring that the 4.2 (which I don't have yet) will be my 12 to 18 wing.  the 3.5 is perfect for 16-24 and I am guessing that I will use the 2.8 for 20-28.  I can't imagine myself needing something larger than this 5 and I can guarantee that Chan will never use it.  We would find her in Idaho. 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 13, 2019, 09:30:54 AM
She could use that as a hang glider.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 13, 2019, 10:06:36 AM
I a guessing she will never need the 4.2.  The 3.5 will likely be her big wing :).  We are going to need the 2.2 for sure but I don't think those are in production yet (just asked F-one about those). 
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 13, 2019, 10:59:01 AM
I assume knots
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 13, 2019, 11:06:09 AM
Anyone using the harness line on the F-One Swing? I believe that feature is unique to the Swing compared to all other wings.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 13, 2019, 02:56:40 PM
I just got back from the most surreal session.  Got to the (empty) beach at 11:00 and no one is there.  Spotty 15 with gusts to 20 and lulls to 10 (MPH).  I go out on my 3.5 Swing and my Axis 1020 and it is intermittent but really fun.  The lulls wouldn't get me up but the far side was filled in and awesome.  Got some great runs over there and my off-side was even working now and then.  That is new and that alone would have made for a great day.  Around noon the wind drops hard.  No white caps.  The lulls are about 8 MPH and the average feels like 12, 13 MPH.  But, after yesterday I am stoked to try the 5.  Luckily I am near shore, do a 5 minute rerig (crazy, but that is all it takes) and I am back out on the 5.  This is where it goes to 11.  The water is so amazingly smooth.  Just baby 3-4 inch ripple/chop.  I see a little lift coming and when it is on me I pump a few times for the most resistance free take off ever.  Not an obstacle around.  No swell, no current, no people, nada.  I could see the end of the cat's paw that I was riding and as I passed through it I leg pump once and that extra boost glides me 15 feet past the edge and then lets me softly down.  This is when I holler.  The wind would improve for solid periods and then let off to puff riding but holy shit.  Being a beginner at something that fights you this hard is so fun because the new highs are so rewarding and so new.  We had to go and I missed it when the wind came back up but I didn't care at all.  I love this sport.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 13, 2019, 03:50:43 PM
Did you snag the Axis 1000 wing? Get one before they are gone. I was switching back and forth between the 1020 and 1000 today winging in 15-25 with the 4m. Trying to learn the ins and outs of the two wings. Oh boy, is the super glider 1000 a dream winging. It takes a little shove from a wave to pop it up, but then it just flies through anything, like a hot knife in butter slick water. It looks close to the GL-210 in size.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 13, 2019, 04:02:00 PM
No, you know, wait a second...OK, now yes.  A 1000 and a 900 for Chan.  I hope they are still in stock because September is proving to be an awesome month and October could be epic :).  What tail and fuselage are you using with the 1000?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: PonoBill on September 13, 2019, 04:23:15 PM
Gear slut.

Yes, today was awesome. I went to Rock Creek and it was light. Looked too light but I went on the five and in what felt like 15mph I popped up with just a couple of wing pumps and floated effortlessly across the river. Smooth as glass, like levitating. It was nearly a religious experience.

I did OK on the backside coming back, got a few long rides and a lot of short ones--the up, level out, lose it a little and recover going downwind kind. I didn't fall. Did a creditable semi-foiling jibe, got solidly up, and drifted across the river again. Holy shit, this is cool. I did a bunch of steering, getting used to turning a little harder, some short downwind jaunts, tried a foiling jibe, totally lost everything. I just laid there in the water and yelled.

The wind came up unfortunately, and I started being overpowered. I was still having fun, but my shoulders were going south rapidly. My last run back I fell in and realized I was a long way upwind from the creek. I turned downwind and rode on my knees. Then I realized there were some pretty good swells, so I pumped a little, caught a swell, and popped up on the foil on my knees. The wing made it easy to control the board, so I stayed on my knees up on the foil, until I got to the takeout.

That was cool. Every second. Silly fun. But my shoulders are killing me.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 13, 2019, 04:51:48 PM
  What tail and fuselage are you using with the 1000?

Short fuselage and 440 tail. For no particular reason, other than just trying things.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: HBsups on September 13, 2019, 07:50:43 PM
Stoked to hear the 5s are going well!
Admin any chance of a wingspan measurement on the F-one? Or if you are feeling generous, a picture of the FOne laid over the duotone (I think you have both?).

Iím taking it from the descriptions that the bigger wings arenít too bad to handle in the light winds...?

Iím Really enjoying reading about the journey from you and Phono, and Iím looking forward to hearing how the 4.2 goes.

Cheers HB
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 14, 2019, 08:03:29 AM
Stoked to hear the 5s are going well!
Admin any chance of a wingspan measurement on the F-one? Or if you are feeling generous, a picture of the FOne laid over the duotone (I think you have both?).

Iím taking it from the descriptions that the bigger wings arenít too bad to handle in the light winds...?

Iím Really enjoying reading about the journey from you and Phono, and Iím looking forward to hearing how the 4.2 goes.

Cheers HB

Hi HB,

I am not sure that it is going to be that helpful to compare the wings by area.  These Swings pack a lot of juice so I am using a smaller size than I would have previously expected and the low wind potential is phenomenal.  I am interested to hear how other people are finding that difference but there is certainly a multiplication (division) factor that needs to be applied.

I can say that in this ultra light wind range the size of the 5.0 Swing is no problem.  The water is so smooth in these conditions and the wind is so subtle that everything feels relatively soft and easy.  I was out there damning whoever posted that cruisy video the other day.  I could not fight that song off.  If there's one thing in my life that's missing NO its the time that I spend alone STOP, get out Sailing on the cool and bright clear water  Ah, shit.

This light wind side of the sport may be my favorite.  It is a really incredible feeling.  I am still buzzed from my session yesterday.  The cool thing is how this will open things up in lighter wind areas.  We were just visiting Cape Cod and also Chicago and both places had plenty of days that were 5.0 Swing conditions.  Most places with water will be in play.  How cool is that?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Chan on September 14, 2019, 09:33:28 AM
I'm interested in finding out how these work for smaller wingers.   Anyone under 120lb try these?  Do they have too much loft?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 14, 2019, 11:44:11 AM
I'm interested in finding out how these work for smaller wingers.   Anyone under 120lb try these?  Do they have too much loft?

Have you not seen Bonzaigrom  ;D

Seriously though, no worries. Jacky can ride anything I can ride. She just stands farther forward on the board. It really is that simple.

As for these super glider wings, the amazing trick with them, is no feeling of blowing out, or hitting a top end. Where as a draggy fat wing, being pushed faster than ideal, puts you in a nose down flying position.

Youíll handle wind gusts with no pitching up from the wing. Thatís why guys are freaking out over tow surfing with them. Same with kiters trying them. They just stay steady eddy, and glide forever. I rode mine again this morning in the tropical storm gust fest. 4m wing at the scary limit. I only had to concentrate on wing. The 1000 Axis was immune to gusts.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1xi4fXnEqD/?igshid=11g7iniv1ysvt
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 14, 2019, 03:07:18 PM
Just to be clear...even though Jacky can ride what I ride, she does ride one wing size smaller than me.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on September 15, 2019, 12:42:51 AM
These Swings pack a lot of juice so I am using a smaller size than I would have previously expected and the low wind potential is phenomenal.  I am interested to hear how other people are finding that difference but there is certainly a multiplication (division) factor that needs to be applied.

This light wind side of the sport may be my favorite.  It is a really incredible feeling.  I am still buzzed from my session yesterday.  The cool thing is how this will open things up in lighter wind areas.  We were just visiting Cape Cod and also Chicago and both places had plenty of days that were 5.0 Swing conditions.  Most places with water will be in play.  How cool is that?

How does the wind range of the 5.0 Swing  compare to that of the Duotone 5.0?
I have a 5.0 Duotone  and need about 15 knots  and would really love to go in 12 knots...

And did you have to get used  to having just 4 handles?
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 15, 2019, 02:30:33 AM
These Swings pack a lot of juice so I am using a smaller size than I would have previously expected and the low wind potential is phenomenal.  I am interested to hear how other people are finding that difference but there is certainly a multiplication (division) factor that needs to be applied.

This light wind side of the sport may be my favorite.  It is a really incredible feeling.  I am still buzzed from my session yesterday.  The cool thing is how this will open things up in lighter wind areas.  We were just visiting Cape Cod and also Chicago and both places had plenty of days that were 5.0 Swing conditions.  Most places with water will be in play.  How cool is that?

How does the wind range of the 5.0 Swing  compare to that of the Duotone 5.0?
I have a 5.0 Duotone  and need about 15 knots  and would really love to go in 12 knots...

And did you have to get used  to having just 4 handles?

Have you been able to get any extra pull from your Duotone by shortening the boom length?  We don't have the 5 meter Duotone.  Bill has that one.  On the Swing 5 Meter and Axis 1020 12 knots (14 MPH) is working.  We both had a lot of fun on it again yesterday in silly-light wind.  Chan took it out (yes, I am painfully aware that I just wrote that this would never occur) and blew my mind.  She was foiling out on puddle ripples.  That was her first session on a Swing and when she came in she had the look on her face.  Time for, a cool ch  Damnit
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: soepkip on September 15, 2019, 04:43:55 AM
Especially in (very) light winds it is very nice to have a very light wing so that it keeps flying, much easier on the shoulders.

I guess I am looking for reasons to get a 5.0 Swing...
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Admin on September 15, 2019, 05:18:06 AM
What is the weight of your Duotone 5 with the boom?

About the handles, no I don't miss the extra handles.  There are only 3 handles on the strut of the Swing.  One for the front hand and two for the rear hand.  On the first day it took me a minute to get used to swapping hands in that single front handle during Jibes.  I really only use two of the 3 handles for riding.
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: Chan on September 17, 2019, 07:17:03 AM
Thanks for the info, DW.  I got to try the 5 in 5-15 and was shocked at how much fun and powerful it was.  At 120lbs, it only takes about 6mph wind speeds to get foiling and at 10mph it can really generate some speed.  The reduced weight is helpful for smaller riders when using the larger size wings.  I tried the 3.5 in 10-25 and over 20 itís a handful.  Iím hoping to get my hands on a 2.2 soon for windier conditions.   
Title: Re: F-One Swing
Post by: supkailua on September 17, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
I have the Swing 5 coming today and was wondering if anyone hooked up a harness line and if so what did you use to do it?

I understand first hand the benefits of the harness line as I noticed a huge difference in pull with my Slingwing when trying to go upwind as much as possible vs. just cruising or going downwind.

So I do intend to put a harness line on it and am wondering if anyone has experience with that?

Thanks