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Title: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 21, 2019, 11:06:35 AM
After 7 custom boards decided to give a production board a go.
Naish Maliko has been my gold standard for an all around performance board for quite some time but the changes they made for this year made me pull the trigger on a 14'x26"x7.5" @ 273 liter.

Changes to the nose with more aggressive entry and slightly higher volume really translates well in head wind bumps and entry in downwind bumps good improvement over past models. Will be interesting to see how the increase in nose rocker will perform in heavy downwind conditions.

The increase in volume around the entry rocker also improves the ability to pickup smaller bumps in marginal conditions, less laborious than previous models.

Both primary and secondary stability are confidence inspiring, making walking the board and bottom turns more natural. It also improves behavior in side chop, comfortable handling.

The increase in nose volume and thickness does affect side wind performance but with the increase in nose rocker and the generous amount of forward foot placement allowance I was able to mitigate the affect quite easily.

Rails thickness around the standing area is about 5.5" but the deck is recessed. I haven't measured it yet but with my 190# it looks like I'm about 3"-3.5" above the waterline.

Deck pad is thin, grippy and comfortable just how I like it.

Carrying handle has deep recess on both sides with enough grip even for long fingered individuals.

Board feels noticeably  lighter than previous models, I'd say around 23-24# but I'll measure it as soon as I have a chance.

Bottom contours are same as far as I can tell, rounded to a double concave to a V.
all super subtle and not noticeable to the naked eye.

As for criticism:

Construction does not feel rock solid. There is some sort of an extra layer on the rails something that looks like a super thin version of an helicopter tape but that's part of the construction and not removable. It's noticeable because the board finish has matte everywhere outside of the rails.

Board still have noticeable flex but less than past models.

As expected, fin placement remains and that's not a good thing. Based on converted past models the fin box should be anywhere between 16"-21" off the tail instead of the 5.5" it is right now. I'm really not sure what's that all about but most leading brands already caught on but Naish still stuck in the past.

As before the omission of multiple leash plugs, handle mounts, action camera mounts and bungie attachment is a sore spot and should have been addressed, might make the board a lot more appealing for a broader spectrum especially in light of the very popular SIC RS that offers that convenience built-in for sometime now.

As for how she paddles, still early days but this is quite a pleasant board to paddle in any condition, feels faster than what a 26" wide board should feel but I'll post an actual data as soon as I have it.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on August 21, 2019, 12:05:09 PM
Thatís a very good review, thanks for posting. Nice board.

How stable is this board compared with last yearís model?

Iím baffled by that fin box placement. Presumably when you are surfing it, your back foot will be ahead of the fin?

When it is unladen, there seems to be a substantial amount of the nose out of the water. How much is, when a person is on board?

The rocker kinda reminds me of the old Harold Iggy Naish designs, with a fairly flat area where you stand and stretching  to the tail, but a marked amount of nose rocker that starts quite abruptly forward of where you stand. It made the boards a bit tricky to surf, but they worked well in the fiats and downwind. It would be interesting to see the board side-on, resting on a couple of trestles deck down, or on a roof rack.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 21, 2019, 01:04:19 PM
It seems to me like primary stability is improved but that's tricky to say unless you have them side by side.

When surfing you back foot will be "way ahead" of the fin ::)

I'll have someone take a picture with me on board to really see how it seats in the water. The nose doesn't seems to be sticking out like that but I guess it remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 21, 2019, 01:25:49 PM
First reaction was yummy!
Better handle, bit lighter, easier to pickup small bumps.
Tempered with doubts on the construction and more side profile.

Now I am really curious about what is the effect of the new tail shape.

To be frank, I do not worry too much with the fin box placement in the 2018 Maliko in our conditions.
I just stuck the GTS forward when it is windier and back when it is less. SO far no problem with directing the board which is very counter-intuitive as most boards have their box a foot or more from the tail....so I do not really understand it.
Granted on the other hand a pivot fin like the Naish one on the 2014 Javelin makes it really easy to move around on the bumps at the price of sometime burying the nose and rounding the board if daydreaming in a strong gust....and having less low end to catch breezers.

Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: JEG on August 21, 2019, 02:16:53 PM
looks like a surf/dw kinda of board burchas and probably better on bigger bumps than little ones. I dought its stable than square tail and pivot turns might be tricky for some. Hopefully, better construction than previous years  ::)
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 21, 2019, 03:20:30 PM
looks like a surf/dw kinda of board burchas and probably better on bigger bumps than little ones. I dought its stable than square tail and pivot turns might be tricky for some. Hopefully, better construction than previous years  ::)

Credit to the 2018 construction. It is very sturdy and gives you confidence in the board. At 28/29 lbs there is a penalty fro this.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 21, 2019, 06:10:15 PM
Now I am really curious about what is the effect of the new tail shape.

To be frank, I do not worry too much with the fin box placement in the 2018 Maliko in our conditions.

First, pivot turn is much smoother on this board. With the fin box better situated, I could pivot turn it easily even when heavy chop and wind hitting from the side. Same idea translate when trying to connect short period bumps without stalling the board to a point where I miss momentum.

The pintail help in that regard and in achieving better top speed but that ties in to the fin placement, which in its current position is stalling the board unless using very shallow fin.

The pintail will give you smoother handling in bigger/rougher conditions

Not even bringing surf into the mix as I need to log in more hours.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 21, 2019, 06:15:26 PM
Same idea translate when trying to connect short period bumps without stalling the board to a point where I miss momentum.
The pintail help in that regard and in achieving better top speed but that ties in to the fin placement, which in its current position is stalling the board unless using very shallow fin.

Sold. That is what I was kind of hoping for.

How shallow have you used a fin on the Maliko? I have not gone under 7" 1/2 with  some sweep.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 21, 2019, 06:33:09 PM
On a different topic. How do you like your Bump fin? Larry has not sold me one yet.....but hope he will soon.
After more use on a different board than your custom, how doe sit feels compared to the GTS and the GT?
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 22, 2019, 05:56:59 AM
How shallow have you used a fin on the Maliko? I have not gone under 7" 1/2 with  some sweep.

Went from 9" down to 6.5" Including the Naish stock fin (MFC Racing 22CM) which is a good fin just not for this board, it really chocked the board in small bumps. It would be much more fitting if they included the MFC Kai DW at 20CM if anything.

From the little feedback I have, I would not use a fin deeper than 7" in flat water if I really want to push speed. The LA Bump is still a work in progress, the next iteration will be foiled with concavities around the bump on the trailing edge, slightly more surface area at the tip and it will lose the flex.

Hoping to modify the board soon. Add my fin boxes, few more plugs and have it painted yellow ;D Then I could really send my buddy at Naish a good feedback on how a perfect board looks like.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 22, 2019, 12:21:34 PM
How shallow have you used a fin on the Maliko? I have not gone under 7" 1/2 with  some sweep.

Went from 9" down to 6.5" Including the Naish stock fin (MFC Racing 22CM) which is a good fin just not for this board, it really chocked the board in small bumps. It would be much more fitting if they included the MFC Kai DW at 20CM if anything.

From the little feedback I have, I would not use a fin deeper than 7" in flat water if I really want to push speed. The LA Bump is still a work in progress, the next iteration will be foiled with concavities around the bump on the trailing edge, slightly more surface area at the tip and it will lose the flex.

Hoping to modify the board soon. Add my fin boxes, few more plugs and have it painted yellow ;D Then I could really send my buddy at Naish a good feedback on how a perfect board looks like.

Thanks Burchas, I just spoke with Larry and he explained the state of the prototyping and the next step.
It sounds good to be able to keep a low profile at 7", a nice release but keep some hold too.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 22, 2019, 02:44:53 PM
Is it me or it seems that the fin box in the 2020 might even be an inch or 1/2 inch closer to the end of the tail than in the 2018/2019?
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 22, 2019, 02:55:55 PM
It would be much more fitting if they included the MFC Kai DW at 20CM if anything.

That fin looks like a long curved blade with no base/width.....
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 22, 2019, 07:15:42 PM
It would be much more fitting if they included the MFC Kai DW at 20CM if anything.

That fin looks like a long curved blade with no base/width.....

Yes, but it has yellow in it and that's all you really need for DW performance ;D

Notes on construction:

Board gets marked easily and it shows, construction doesn't feel as sturdy as your 2018.
Hope I won't have to find it the hard way but I'm really pushing this board hard trying it in some violent waters which means some paddle hits when few nasty cross bumps sent me flying.

Good news is the board has really good stability even though it does feel like I'm sitting a little higher on the water than previous models.

Going back to fin box, how far back is yours? It could change from board to board you know...
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 22, 2019, 07:21:36 PM
Yes, but it has yellow in it and that's all you really need for DW performance ;D

:-) :-) :-) Speaking like a true David Jones .... I have three yellow. Like them all. Not sure that I am a lot faster.....

Going back to fin box, how far back is yours? It could change from board to board you know...

Maliko 2018 fin box is 6" from tail
Javelin 2014 fin box is 5" 2/8 from tail
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 22, 2019, 07:55:12 PM
.... I have three yellow. Like them all...

Now I'm jealous. That's the one feature I really can't leave without.

As for the fin boxes, you can see some arbitrary numbers there. mine is more like 5" 5/8
But I rounded it down to 5.5 just because it was easier to relate. I'm sure they meant to put it at 6" but that's so unimportant to them they just "eyeball it" these days.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 22, 2019, 08:07:07 PM
1,2,3.....
Not a good picture but you can see the yellow :-)
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 22, 2019, 09:32:11 PM
BTW, sitting a little higher on the water meaning a little less water on the deck.

That also means more rail travel which does help with rail steering. I'll have to further analyze what they did with the under tuck on the rail to help with the secondary stability but all good features and they found a good balance imo.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 22, 2019, 09:42:41 PM
BTW, sitting a little higher on the water meaning a little less water on the deck.

That also means more rail travel which does help with rail steering. I'll have to further analyze what they did with the under tuck on the rail to help with the secondary stability but all good features and they found a good balance imo.

All good but it is not yellow.......and I am broke........
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 23, 2019, 04:01:30 PM
So I finally did it, I'm surprised it took me that long but here it is
Some more on this here: https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,35189.0.html
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 23, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
So I finally did it, I'm surprised it took me that long but here it is
Some more on this here: https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,35189.0.html

2018 it is. Maybe I should also buy a 14x24" just in case I ever become good :-)
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 24, 2019, 05:17:14 AM
Iím sorry this has happened to you: that looks like it will be an expensive repair to a nearly-new board, and then there is the cost of the broken paddle too.

How did the board surf?

The board pickup small waves easily and with the correct foot placement it could be controlled comfortably all things considered but as you'd expect, it wouldn't be my first choice surfing big boards. Fin placement was an issue in small waves and with a 8.5" deep fin I was testing, I felt the glide was suffering and I had to keep paddle to keep the momentum.

In fact, I was on a wave towards the beach to replace to a smaller fin when this happened.
I moved towards the center of the board to put in few more strokes and generate more speed as the wave reforms but with the sandbar changing, I hit a section where the wave became steep very abruptly and along with the speed and board trim, it sent me flying head first.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on August 24, 2019, 05:53:18 AM
Thanks. Surfability was one of the weaknesses of the Iggy Naish boards that had a similar rocker principle, so I did wonder. I often end up surfing my 14ft (and 16ft) Boards, either on small offshore waves or when coming to shore when downwinding so itís important to me that they surf well. Itís one reason Iíve ordered a 14ft Hypr Nalu Hawaii Gun. The 11-6 Hypr gun is only 5% slower in mixed flattish sea conditions than a 14x26 SIC RS when paddles by a couple of average paddlers, so Iím hoping that a 14x26 Hypr gun might be close enough in speed to the RS in everyday conditions that unless you are racing it wouldnít really matter. Anyhow, that Iggy-type rocker does tend to be highly effective for downwind though (if a bit technical in messy conditions) and decent in flat water too. So I guess you canít have everything. Itís just a bit annoying that you canít when it leads to dings like this.

Please post pictures of the repair. Bummer - to ding both board and paddle in one incident is very unlucky.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: JEG on August 25, 2019, 03:18:08 PM
that sux burchas about your new board.
I would suggest getting custom made boards from now on since you know what you really want?
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 25, 2019, 06:53:09 PM
that sux burchas about your new board.
I would suggest getting custom made boards from now on since you know what you really want?

I have to say I had it coming ::) I'm usually not gentle with my equipment, especially when exploring all conditions and I am used to custom stuff with good construction that can take some beating.

This board is a part of my next custom board project. There is a lot to love about this board, obviously construction is not one of those things but it is very light for a 14x26.

Had a fun downwinder today on it. Taped the nose for now until I get it modified.
Not optimal conditions, with strong tide coming in and wind direction shifting to some side
but the board handles adversity very well and still manage to feel lively.

The nose can take some hits from side bumps and still keep the momentum with some maintenance strokes. When I bury the nose from time to time it pops out better than previous models.

Board generates good speed (up to 9.5mph) even on a day like today where conditions are far from ideal on bay conditions with good fetch. Low teens to mid 20's with some dead sections.

Fin box placement is still an issue for me.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: JEG on August 25, 2019, 10:39:35 PM
I agree and would stay away from some of these brands and exploring custom board to your liking is the right thing for you unless you find a good reputable brand. Crosswind sux and the last time I experience one it wasn't nice and I ended up laying down to paddle with my hand freestyle.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on August 26, 2019, 04:22:50 AM
How fast is the 2020 Maliko in pure flat water? The Glide Mk2 models were surprisingly good and had a similar rockerline, perhaps. In fact this board kinda makes me think of that one, in concept. It was very fast DW.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 26, 2019, 04:36:48 AM
How fast is the 2020 Maliko in pure flat water? The Glide Mk2 models were surprisingly good and had a similar rockerline, perhaps. In fact this board kinda makes me think of that one, in concept. It was very fast DW.

Iíll reserve the pure flat water speed tests to when Iíll add my fin boxes so I can actually run comparisons with original fin box and send my guy in Naish real data.

Iím going to measure the rocker line for this board along with footage of how it sits in the water once I found the best trim. Iím not sure I understand what makes this rocker so good for DW.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on August 26, 2019, 05:33:54 AM
Flat-ish rocker from tail to about two-thirds forward gives it good pace for accelerating into the bump, then when you get forward you are pointing the tail up (for maximum push from the bump) but the nose is horizontal-ish, meaning that again the board is moving forward fast with little drag. These boards are kinda a two-stage design I think, contrasting with the continuous rocker like the JL M14. Highly effective most of the time but you are likely to find some conditions every once in a while where it is an inexplicable handful I think.

Isnít it a return to this kinda board for Naish (below)?But with the edges knocked off (literally), and a bit more moderate? A proper downwinder. It was a very versatile board, and is still one of the fastest DW you can get, even all these years on.

https://youtu.be/UKk7RGqn9Lk
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on August 26, 2019, 07:39:32 AM
I love the series of video from Cape Town. I am not sure why they stopped doing them after a while.

You mean like this:
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 27, 2019, 06:29:31 AM
Isnít it a return to this kinda board for Naish (below)?But with the edges knocked off (literally), and a bit more moderate? A proper downwinder. It was a very versatile board, and is still one of the fastest DW you can get, even all these years on.

I really liked that board and I would be content with it if not for the weight.

Looking at the video though I couldn't help but notice that it does take a good effort to angle it on the face of the bump and the need for consistent paddling through the smaller sections.

I'm pretty sure the fin box placement has a lot to do with it. I believe the box is in the same place as with today's boards and they're probably using an 8"-9" surf type fin which explains the extra effort.

If you compare it to the Bayonet with a much better box placement and a continuous rocker, the difference in effort level is substantial.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on August 27, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
Well, I prefer continuous rocker. But in everything except nuking downwind I think it is slower. Or, I should say, that if an elite paddler is on a ďtwo-stageĒ rocker board, they can be faster than in the same one with continuous rocker, at least under 30knots. But Iíd rather have an easier ride with more control than a technically difficult board that is 0.2% faster. But most racers would sacrifice everything for that extra 0.2% so I may not be the typical Maliko buyer. The V2 Glide was crazy fast in the right conditions but it did sometimes demand concentration in messed-up stuff. I remember DWing with a buddy of mine who was on one when I was on a Coreban Dart 14x30. While the wind was only 25 knots and well lined up he was killing me. Then the wind jumped to 35 and we hit an area with rebound and steep sections and he virtually came to a standstill while I took off, having a great time.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on August 27, 2019, 07:16:10 PM
Well, I prefer continuous rocker. But in everything except nuking downwind I think it is slower.

That wouldnít be the case with the Bayonet. You ought it to your self to try it in a 20 knots or so wind.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on August 28, 2019, 02:09:54 PM
Well, I prefer continuous rocker. But in everything except nuking downwind I think it is slower.

That wouldnít be the case with the Bayonet. You ought it to your self to try it in a 20 knots or so wind.
Well, as I said, *I* would be faster with a continuous rocker. But most elite paddlers probably wouldnít. The problem is the speed when you are not on a bump, and the inherent acceleration advantage of a flat(ish) rocker. Having said that, I downbreezed my Hypr 12-6 gun today, which has a continuous rocker (but not much rocker overall) and it seemed fast for a 12-6, albeit I had to be quick with my feet. So, it is all a very complex interaction between the board, the rider, and the conditions.

I have often thought about the Bayonet. But too many people who have tried one have reported to me that doesnít cope with messed-up swell very well. But messed-up swell is exactly what I have a lot of where I live. Here, the Bullet V1 works better than the V2 Bullet. Iím also not a fan of really thick boards for downwinding. Corky boards just get pushed around too much by crosswinds and refracted swell here: you need to be able to stay close to the water and not present it with opportunities to throw you around. Downwinding in Hawaii is done in waters that are much deeper than the extremely shallow waters round here, and the fetch in Hawaii is probably much longer.  I think it affects which board designs work.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on September 01, 2019, 05:59:32 AM
Ready for some shallow fin testing...
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on September 01, 2019, 06:08:02 AM
Naish 2020 Maliko rocker. Neutral position on flat surface.
Nose: 7Ē
Tail: 1.5Ē
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on September 01, 2019, 07:54:27 AM
Naish 2020 Maliko rocker. Neutral position on flat surface.
Nose: 7Ē
Tail: 1.5Ē

On my 2018, measured against the bottom of the board right under the tip of the nose is 6" and tail is 1"6/8 (1.75").
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: tarquin on September 01, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Helpful info for me. I have 4" on the nose and 1.5 on the tail of the board I have designed. 7 seems a lot.
 How about fin box placement in those boards
Thanks
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on September 01, 2019, 10:52:32 AM
I know that this sort of ďtwo stage rockerĒ, where the rear two thirds or more is fairly flat and then the nose takes a sudden upward trajectory, can be highly effective in a downwind board. But it just looks wrong to me somehow... :) Iím not sure that I wouldnít prefer a bit more tail rocker and a more gradual and relaxed nose rocker. But Iím sure that Naish will have tried that and can suppose therefore that it didnít work. Maybe it just because my DW conditions are so often steep short period stuff so Iíve often got my back foot over the fin, using all the tail rocker I can get, and sharp changes in rocker sometimes (but not always) make it harder for me to get over a bump and into the one in front. But thatís probably just a shortcoming of my technique perhaps.

The Imagine Connector also has a fairly abrupt nose rocker. But maybe it also had a touch more tail rocker than the Maliko? That Connector design (by Dave Kalama, ex-Naish of course) seems to have garnered some very positive reviews as a downwind board. Maybe they ended up coming around to Kalamaís way of thinking, after all :)
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on September 01, 2019, 02:00:45 PM
...But it just looks wrong to me somehow... :) Iím not sure that I wouldnít prefer a bit more tail rocker and a more gradual and relaxed nose rocker...

That's exactly what I meant by "I don't understand this rocker". It just looks wrong and yet works really great.

Mind you, I'm not entirely sure this is how it sits on the water. There might be a chance the Nose/Tail ratio will change once I found the right trim.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on September 01, 2019, 07:51:33 PM
True. But it probably canít change that much or else the tail will be out of the water. Perhaps you could take a picture sideways on when someone about your weight is standing at the handle. I tend to take video of someone else paddling my board sideways on, at various positions just an inch apart, on a sheltered canal near me, to find the best trim for a new board, itís interesting how the trim sometimes changes for some boards under hard paddling: If a person of a certain weight canít get that tail to release then itís all over, speedwise, really. Some of the early JL race boards tended to drag their tails no matter what you did. The Sidewinder doesnít, though.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: tarquin on September 01, 2019, 10:21:24 PM
Even if I know this 2 stage rocker works from reviews I didn't do it because it doesn't look right. I had a lower section in the rail just in front of the standing area at one point. Like on a kayak so you don't hit the rail when paddling. It just didn't look right though. This would also help any water coming over the nose shed off the deck before coming into the standing area.Like the scow bow in mini transat boats, sometimes things don't look right but they work.
 
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on September 02, 2019, 02:16:06 AM
Even if I know this 2 stage rocker works from reviews I didn't do it because it doesn't look right. I had a lower section in the rail just in front of the standing area at one point. Like on a kayak so you don't hit the rail when paddling. It just didn't look right though. This would also help any water coming over the nose shed off the deck before coming into the standing area.Like the scow bow in mini transat boats, sometimes things don't look right but they work.
Thatís a good example, and the skow bow has been used in a SUP:
https://thepaddlermag.com/2015/07/02/magic-carpet-ride-nah-skwell-scow-12-6ft/

I paddled one. It went well downwind and was quite fast in flat water and upwind in ripples. But it was less successful upwind when the chop was bigger. Thatís a lot of nose area you are presenting to oncoming waves. But in the right conditions it would be really good, and it did show that a 2-stage rocker could be fast.

There are some occasions going upwind when it is more efficient to try to reduce the pitching of the board by digging the nose slightly into the top of oncoming waves. But this is hard to do with a two-stage rocker type board - you have to get so far forwards. Consequently they can pitch quite a lot going upwind in bigger stuff and if the tail rocker isnít perfect then the tail creates a lot of drag as the nose lifts so much. Iíve been impressed by how well the Hypr gun goes upwind, for this reason - low rocker, pointy nose, narrow tail, and low volume all mean that you can push through the waves and reduce pitching, which aids speed. The dreaded upwind ďnose lift then slapĒ that slows you down so much is nonexistent.

But maybe the Maliko has got the dynamics just right. Youíd need to see video of it being paddled upwind in 1ft chop to know.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: burchas on September 02, 2019, 09:31:16 AM
But maybe the Maliko has got the dynamics just right. Youíd need to see video of it being paddled upwind in 1ft chop to know.

It feels much better than previous models in that regard but that's just a feeling, I can't back it up with numbers yet but it is on the agenda.
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on September 05, 2019, 01:31:15 PM
Too close to the tail  ;)
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on September 05, 2019, 01:31:50 PM
Ready for some shallow fin testing...

How did it go?
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Luc Benac on September 09, 2019, 11:46:13 AM
So I have been looking at all my short fins last week and of course fitting is always the issue.
I wish that the same company (Naish) would keep using the same type of fin box over time.
The Javelin is fitted with a US box (low pin)
The Maliko is fitted with a Longboard (Bahne) box (high pin)

I have been epoxying and drilling holes for pins on several fins so they fit in the respective box. The drawback is that some of the fins I am trying are now dedicated to one board and not the other.

"from Baddog. The Bahne Box fin has a 9mm base width that is shallower and has a higher pin position. The US Box fin has a 9.2mm base width that is deeper with a tab and has a lower pin position. The Bahne Box is thinner and shallower vs the US Box which is deeper and wider." Combination from Hell......
Title: Re: Maliko 2020 porn pics and mini review
Post by: Area 10 on October 23, 2019, 09:55:30 AM
I agree, it is infuriating. It doesnít help that there are various names for the same boxes as well. Basically, it would be easier if they just called them either a ďsurf boxĒ or a ďwindsurf boxĒ.

The specialist SUP fin brands also often donít make it clear which type of box they fit either. Which adds in another level of confusion.