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Title: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 19, 2019, 05:58:59 AM
Stoked to have some Axis foils on the way!  I recently spent a little time on a 28.5" (72.4 cm) GoFoil mast and found that a lot more comfortable (less twitchy) than the 32" that I have been using.  It makes leveling out so much nicer.  I didn't want to go back to the longer mast :).  I ordered 3 masts (all right around 100 bucks) to dial that in (60, 68, 75).  I see a lot of riders on ~65 (25.6") and I want to check that out.  It is amazing how a (seemingly) little mast length can change things.  I really like the simple modualrity of the Axis design.  It will be cool to check that out and see how these things work.   More parts!  Chan is thrilled :).
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 19, 2019, 06:34:37 AM
I hope you ordered a base plate for each mast. Thatís how I roll. I have a rack of masts in my van. Grabbing the length needed for the conditions.

Youíll want to cut up a beer can and use that to shim the base plate to the mast tight. Hammer it on. Then never take it apart. They donít fit tight by design anymore, from most brands. Too many kooks complained about not getting them apart when they were designed tight. I know of only one brand that press fit the base plates on the mast and supplied them with each mast.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 19, 2019, 07:58:16 AM
Hey Dwight.  I hadn't thought about that.  Are you changing mast length a lot?  I was thinking I would experiment a little and see which felt best and then stay there for a while.   What length have you been using with the wing?  What foil sizes?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 19, 2019, 09:02:15 AM
My experience is all surfing based....still no 5m Duotone.

I use a 70cm mast on Neil Prydeís biggest wing most often. Iíd switch to 75cm on bigger days or wind blown days, if I had one. Thatís when the wing breaches are more likely. 65-70cm reacts quicker surfing.

With my Axis 102 Iím using the 75cm. The idea is to wing sail it. Maybe SUP surf it on small days. I think wing sailing downwind will mean sloppy seas, so longer is better. Maybe even 80cm. Iíd cut one to hit 80cm. Donít care for 90cm, unless kite racing. So far, Iíve only taken the Axis for a spin with my kite. It didnít like being driven by a kite. Too stiff handling for such a small board (20Ē wide). The big NP wing is much looser, but itís smaller.

There is no need to be higher than necessary. I just want to foil with minimal ricochets off the water. Whatever mast it takes to hit that goal. Although when mixing in wind power, a longer mast lets you heel the board over steeper and that makes it point much higher upwind. Thatís why I go long for racing upwind.

I windsurf 80cm mast. Custom cut for Slingshot Infinity 76 wing.

So you need a full rack of masts in the van  ;D
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 19, 2019, 05:17:01 PM
Great info.  I am stoked to check out the different sizes.  I had a great day on my old 82 cm mast today (really nice 20-25 on my 4 meter wing) but I have to be very gentle with my front foot.  Push down and let up a little too much and it can really go drive-wild.  The 72 is much more mellow like that.  Don't get me wrong, it is exciting to feel that acceleration but I could stand a middle ground :).  Our group was ear to ear grins today.  This sport is stupid fun!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 19, 2019, 08:05:24 PM
I needed either 5 more mph of wind or a 5M (I sound like a broken record--is that even a useful metaphor anymore??) but yeah. Now that we're getting up and going long distances on the foil it's getting downright giddy.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 02:29:21 AM
Cool video from Axis.  Adrian talks about their mast and shows the connection system.   Nice.

https://www.facebook.com/thekitemaginternational/videos/489265838315751/
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 26, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
I was very stoked to see my Axis stuff at my door today.  No wind today so a great afternoon for tinkering. 

I am very happy with how this stuff all assembled and there were a few surprises as well.  The slightly larger Axis wings (1020 and 920) are insanely light in comparison to my GoFoil wings (Go Foil M200 and Iwa).  This got me pretty stoked when I was setting up because I thought it was possible that even with the aluminum masts/fuselage of the Axis that the weight might be pretty close.  But I was really surprised that my largest complete Axis assembly (wings, fuselage, mast, board mount and hardware) ended up being 1.4 lbs lighter than the complete carbon Go Foil.  I believe the 1020 wing is actually bit larger overall than the M-200 and I have the 500 stabilizer and the longest Axis fuselage.  On the other side I do have the Tuttle adapter on the GoFoil.  So, not an exact apples to apples match but similar enough that I found it interesting.  So stoked to check this out on the water!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 26, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
I thought my SUP was more stable with the Axis under me, than any other foil Iíve tried. Iíd be curious if you feel any difference.

I did try the 440 rear wing with the 102 and didnít like the feel. The 500 rear felt better matched. I know some people love smaller rear wings, but I like my loads more balanced between the wings. I dislike putting my rear foot behind the mast to make a foil trim out.

I would like to try a shorter fuselage. Maybe Iíll get one when I splurge on the 1000 front wing.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on August 27, 2019, 01:26:53 AM
I have a Neil Pryde foil, Gofoil with 29.5 mast plus plate adapter and and an Axis 1020.
I think the NP foil is just as stiff as the Axis and the Gofoil is just a little less stiff.

All the other brands I tried including the Gofoil 28.5 mast were a no go for me.
I want to have a small board and that is only possible (for me) with a stiff foil.

The baseplate of my NP foil is stuck permanently on the mast and I really like it that way, I think the same will happen with my Axis mast and plate eventually.
I guess I will have to order 2 more baseplates for my 2 other masts to be ready for that.

Perhaps I should go the beer can shim route to get rid of the last bit of play between the mast and the plate...

I have the standard fuselage  and the 440 , I wanted to get the 400 first perhaps I should get the 500...
I  also want to get a shorter fuselage, hope the new fuselages will come out soon.

Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 27, 2019, 02:18:48 AM
Interesting.  The standard Fuselage (~20.5 inches) on the Axis is 2.5 inches longer than the fixed fuselage on the GoFoil (~18 inches).  3 inches of "fuselage" is fused to the stabilzers on the GoFoil so I am measuring each to the junction of the actual wings.  From the specs the Axis Short fuselage is very similar in length to the Go Foil's fixed fuselage (.4 inch shorter).  The specs are a little odd here because they measure the whole of the fuselage including the mounts (which sit on the wings)  which would make it tricky to compare to another brand.  The 500 stabilizer looks a bit smaller overall than the Iwa all in (but the dimensions are very different shorter, larger chord, etc). 

The Axis wings are really impressive.  The max thickness is more constant than on the similarly sized GoFoils and the max thickness is a bit further from the leading edge as well.  The go Foils (M-200 and Iwa) are are thicker than the Axis at the mid line but thin more quickly as they move outwards.  I wonder if the 1020 will lift a bit more than the M 200.  Most interested to see if it is less work to keep flying when it is marginal.

Soekip, what was not working for you on the GoFoil 28.5.  I am not understanding what you wrote.  Does that mast flex more than the 29.5?

DW what are your plans for the 1000? 
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 27, 2019, 04:09:24 AM
I think the 1000 and 900 wings will work better being powered by wind. They wonít fight the speed.

I also geeked out on comparing wings in the beginning. Calipers on all my wings, noting thickness, max draft location, spread sheets, etc. My hope was that Iíd learn something and be able to look at a wing and tell if it would suit me. Boy was I wrong!

I even dreamed of finding one brand that would work for all my sports. Jacky and I would share the foil quiver parts, and weíd be set. I was wrong again!

I have to ride everything and pick and chose the cherry wings. The best I can hope for is to reduce the foundations I work with. Neil Pryde and Axis for surfing, kiting, winging, and Slingshot for windsurfing.

Did you notice Adrain said the Axis 900 was designed for windsurfing. It just happens to be awesome for downwinding. Big clue right there. Wing ding wing! It wonít fight the speed. It should run smooth and steady being pushed hard.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 27, 2019, 04:47:20 AM
That 900 is a beautiful looking wing but it is much smaller (1184 outline).  That sounds like a lot of work!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: daswusup on August 27, 2019, 07:04:43 AM
I think the 1000 and 900 wings will work better being powered by wind. They wonít fight the speed.

I also geeked out on comparing wings in the beginning. Calipers on all my wings, noting thickness, max draft location, spread sheets, etc. My hope was that Iíd learn something and be able to look at a wing and tell if it would suit me. Boy was I wrong!

I even dreamed of finding one brand that would work for all my sports. Jacky and I would share the foil quiver parts, and weíd be set. I was wrong again!

I have to ride everything and pick and chose the cherry wings. The best I can hope for is to reduce the foundations I work with. Neil Pryde and Axis for surfing, kiting, winging, and Slingshot for windsurfing.

Did you notice Adrain said the Axis 900 was designed for windsurfing. It just happens to be awesome for downwinding. Big clue right there. Wing ding wing! It wonít fight the speed. It should run smooth and steady being pushed hard.
DW- I love the Slingy Infinity 76 with the 29"mast for kiting. I feel like I am doing a totally different sport than most of the kitefoilers I see. I like to go slow and completely shut the kite off and pump around downwind in search of bumps to slash. I also ride the time code 68 to do this but prefer the 76. There is a magical wind speed where there is no pull from the kite and I feel like I just pumped out to the middle of the lake. Most other kiters seem to be on smaller foils with a longer mast going really fast. That's fun too but once I outrun the bumps, I feel like I am throwing away a precious resource.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on August 27, 2019, 07:17:28 AM
Does that mast flex more than the 29.5?

Yes, a lot more
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 27, 2019, 07:41:11 AM
Huh.  When I read stiffer on the GoFoil site I though they were comparing to the smaller 24 inch with the same Tuttle attachment, not to the 28.5.  That is wild.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: JEG on August 27, 2019, 02:22:49 PM
I have the GoFoil 28.5 mast and I'm 80kg and its fine with IWA and M200 and I'm guessing if you are heavier than me I would get the 29 masts and to match with M280. It will be interesting to see those have 28.5 masts combining with the new GL wings like the 180, 210 & 240 & anyone done this combo and what's your weight?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 27, 2019, 09:59:52 PM
I'm going to run a pretty little bead of weld on my adapter to mast. No beer cans required, just a 250 amp TIG.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on August 28, 2019, 01:41:44 AM
What about epoxy to bond the mast and plate forever?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 28, 2019, 03:30:55 AM
Welding will kill any temper in the aluminum. I assume the mast has a T6 temper.

Epoxy doesnít stick to aluminum very well.

Beer (Rockstar Organic can for me) can sounds crazy, but works awesome. Cans are so thin, you can trim any excess aluminum sticking out, with a simple carpet knife. I never knew modern cans cut as easy as paper until I did this.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 28, 2019, 05:38:47 AM
Easy to retemper it, but I wouldn't. It's probably 6061, might be T6. If I were aiming for maximum strength I'd age it at 350F for four hours or 400 for one hour depending on how long I could expect my wife to be away from the kitchen (actually I have a kiln, but I wouldn't fire it up for this). But short welds, thick metal--I wouldn't bother and the anodizing might darken. The heat-affected zone will be small and in an area where the metal is doubled up. I'd be loathe to weld in the middle of the mast, but at the adapter--no problem. And there are lots of epoxies that do very well with aluminum, especially anodized--most developed for aerospace and motorsports. Gorilla Glue's competing product to JB Weld is in that family and works like gangbusters on aluminum. I just used some yesterday to make an aluminum frame for a light that I didn't want to weld.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 28, 2019, 06:17:25 AM
Hi guys, 

I know that there is a sliver of extra room on insertion but it seems to tighten down really well with the torx driver.  I am not seeing or feeling any movement in mine by hand.  Are you guys feeling any slop on the water?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 28, 2019, 07:34:57 AM
Your hand is putting perhaps 20 pounds of torque on the thing. You can resist that by shimming with Parmesan cheese if it's well-aged.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 28, 2019, 09:01:13 AM
Are you feeling any slop on the water?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 28, 2019, 09:22:30 AM
with the 280--lots. Of course I think my fuselage is cracked vertically. I felt some with the axis and the 1020, but I have a 90cm mast, so I don't know if it's actual slop or just me wobbling around on a too-tall unicycle.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 28, 2019, 11:25:17 AM
Donít check it with the bolts installed. Check it without. You paid for top of the line engineering with that fuselage connection, then throw it away on the plate connection. No way! Hammer that sucker on.

BTW, surfed the Axis today in waist high, sloppy windy surf. After surfing my Neil Pryde. So back to back test. For sure, the Axis made my board more stable than the Neil Pryde. Axis is my new gold standard for easy pee zee on a SUP.

Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 29, 2019, 02:51:33 PM
The Axis 102 in 15mph wind today. My first day in enough wind to actually ride the wing ding.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1w2xrdHMkN/?igshid=1h32uejwikuub
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: gzasinets on August 30, 2019, 01:48:19 PM
Looking awesome Dwight! Is that 5m wing? I am on the gulf coast so looking for the right weather to take mine out. Stay safe for Dorian.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 30, 2019, 02:53:23 PM
Yes 5m. Wind about 15 mph
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 30, 2019, 07:43:55 PM
OK, I finally got a session on this Axis kit...and it's love.  What a difference.  3 hour session and I didn't want to quit.  So freaking fun.

So, how do I shim these adapters on?  Dwight, did you do a "U" with your cut beer can or something else?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: flkiter on August 30, 2019, 08:37:46 PM
Was out today on my DW 5'11"x 28" and the Axis 102 in Miami Beach so I was able to ride the wind chop and was really stable in over 20 knots of wind. Ended up eventually going on a 5 meter kite with an impulse foil so I found there isn't really anything now that I can't paddle in with the Axis foil.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 30, 2019, 09:43:23 PM
Today was a good day. I started out on the GoFoil M280, which was working pretty well but demanded intense focus to keep it from porpoising into an overfoil or a slam-down. After a few too many overfoil faceplants I decided to switch to the Axis 1020 even though I think the 90CM mast is a bit of a handful and I haven't received my new bits yet.

The Axis is harder to get up on, but once I was up it was smooth and easy. With the 280 if I try to move either foot I'm doomed, with the axis I could fiddle around quite a bit without drama, and I was able to edge toward the middle of the board to go downwind and try jibing. Almost made it a couple of times.

Of course, I had the eventual overconfidence slam down. I was up on a starboard tack, where I still have a lot less control than is desirable. Just as I was congratulating myself for my mastery of the starboard tack I went out of control, foolishly tried to save it, and wound up diving off the board into my wing, smacking myself briskly in the mouth with the boom. I floated around a bit, recovering, did one more run across the river and called it good since the wind was getting punky. Of course as soon as I had taken all my stuff apart the wind picked back up. Oh, well, tomorrow.

Admin was showing some style, with lots of air between his board and the water. He did a run that was reminiscent of a stone skipping across the water. But we both made serious progress today and were babbling about our progress, complete with arm gestures, circles and arrows.

Chan has determined she needs a full set of Axis stuff. Today's success might push their combined gear bill into five figures.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: flkiter on August 30, 2019, 10:23:08 PM
Pono, you need a shorter masts for sure. I have the 68 cm for normal riding and then the 45 cm for shallow breaks. Wasn't sure if the 45 cm would be too short but I can still pump it a bit, just not as easily to pump as the longer mast and I have to do a bunch more little pumps to equal one or two pumps from the longer mast.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 31, 2019, 03:21:19 AM
Bill, Iím surprised you havenít cut and retapped that mast already.  ;D
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 31, 2019, 03:34:07 AM
OK, I finally got a session on this Axis kit...and it's love.  What a difference.  3 hour session and I didn't want to quit.  So freaking fun.

So, how do I shim these adapters on?  Dwight, did you do a "U" with your cut beer can or something else?

U didnít work for me. I cut pieces for each side. Put them in the base. Made them tall and sticking out. Slid mast in and hammered. Trimmed excess aluminum sticking out with carpet knife. I think my Axis only needed aluminum one side. My Slingshot needed it both sides.

When I did this trick to my Slingshot base, one aluminum piece slid down and under the mast, but still smashed flat. I had a little aluminum blocking the bolt hole. But no worries because the aluminum is like paper. Stuck the knife in the bolt hole and dug the aluminum blockage out.

Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 31, 2019, 03:35:31 AM
Axis 1020, Standard Fuselage, 500 tail, 68 Mast.  I spent the first half hour mostly surface bound and feeling very tentative but over the course of the next hours I started to relax into it and trust what it wanted to do.  The first thing that I noticed is the dramatic lessening of drag.  Even when surface bound this feels so sleek.  It picks up surface speed really well.  The increase in lift is very evident over the Maliko 200 and at at first this felt like it would be too much.  But that was thinking about it from my old foil perspective where a lot of lift = scary shit happening.  The Axis setup lifts so smoothly and leveling off is much more of an unconscious deal than a dramatic requirement.  The best part is that it feels like this foil increases the size of your dance-floor.  Minor missteps are not catastrophes.  That takes some getting used to but I love it.  I am slowly getting over my Post Aggressive Foil Syndrome. 

We did place another Axis order last night with a third wing for Chan (an 820 to add to the 920 and 1020) as well as enough kit to make three wing, fuselage, stabilizer steps that can stay assembled.  Those travel really nicely.  We keep masts on the boards so we will usually be two screws away from ready.  Bye, bye mallet. 

Bill and I had our first foiling pass-by on opposite tacks.  That must be a good sign.  We were both yelling something into the wind.  I think Bill was screaming, "Ipswich Watermelon" and I'm pretty sure I was saying, "I'm happy".
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 31, 2019, 06:29:41 AM
Bill, Iím surprised you havenít cut and retapped that mast already.  ;D

I thought of it, but decided it might be useful someday.

Admin--It was indeed "Ipswich Watermelon?" But it was a question. And I thought you said "I'm sappy" which didn't seem to merit further comment.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 31, 2019, 09:27:33 AM
Found some more video from the first day with the 5m and Axis. You can see how easy it pumped back into the air.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B11boWfHpY0/?igshid=13j0m7irbms8r
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 31, 2019, 09:08:55 PM
You can imagine what I have to do at 235 pounds to get up with a four-meter. And why I hate your guts right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB1a49TqWQ8
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Hilly on September 01, 2019, 12:36:39 AM
You can imagine what I have to do at 235 pounds to get up with a four-meter. And why I hate your guts right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB1a49TqWQ8
I have the 4m and at 105kg with the Armstrong 2400 it gets up super easy.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on September 01, 2019, 02:24:48 AM
At this point I should introduce the BDF (Babcock Drag Factor).  It is a multiplier that should be applied to any undamaged product  in relation to that same product being owned and used by Bill.  On his Axis Foils I am setting the BDF at 1.5 to account for the fact that it has flown from his truck bed at highway speed and is now covered in silver tape which he casually smooths back down each time before launching.  One guy came up to him on the beach while we were rigging and (smiling) asked Bill, "Watcha got under there?" :).  His 4 meter Duotone looks now like a hobo's hanky.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 01, 2019, 04:08:22 AM
I already feel 5m is NOT too big. What was that B.S. about 4m being the only size we need.  >:(

Where are the 6 and 7 meter wings  >:(

I just want to float down wind and feel like 80 lb Banzai Grom
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on September 01, 2019, 06:06:56 AM
At this point I should introduce the BDF (Babcock Drag Factor).  It is a multiplier that should be applied to any undamaged product  in relation to that same product being owned and used by Bill.  On his Axis Foils I am setting the BDF at 1.5 to account for the fact that it has flown from his truck bed at highway speed and is now covered in silver tape which he casually smooths back down each time before launching.  One guy came up to him on the beach while we were rigging and (smiling) asked Bill, "Watcha got under there?" :).  His 4 meter Duotone looks now like a hobo's hanky.

Ridiculous overstatement. Two patches and a new bladder. My hankies look MUCH worse than that.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 05, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
That big (1020cm) Axis wing really is awesome for learning to wing ding. I have faster and better turning wings, but nothing this easy for getting the hang of wing dinging.

This is day 3. This day was less work on the arms. I guess my feel for the Duotone is improving enough, the strain is going down a lot.

We are having post hurricane off shore wind. So Iím doing some pretend wave riding in the Banana River. Wind is 12-17 mph. 5m wing.

https://youtu.be/wdsJMnvdJp4
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on September 05, 2019, 10:36:47 PM
Impressive. If that was an M280 you'd be bouncing up and down like a porpoise in light air like that. the axis foil is smooth. I like the GoFoil GL 240 almost as well, now that I've learned how to get it up and flying. The foot position is completely different from the 280 (duh).

I just got a shipment of Axis stuff. Three masts, a shorter fuselage, a new 1020 to relieve the one I have patched back together, and a 440 tail. I'm going to modify the old road rash 1020 for a bit more lift and stability, I'm going to make a 1080 gullwing out of it. Now, all we need is some wind.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on September 06, 2019, 12:20:58 AM
Impressive. If that was an M280 you'd be bouncing up and down like a porpoise in light air like that. the axis foil is smooth. I like the GoFoil GL 240 almost as well, now that I've learned how to get it up and flying. The foot position is completely different from the 280 (duh).

I just got a shipment of Axis stuff. Three masts, a shorter fuselage, a new 1020 to relieve the one I have patched back together, and a 440 tail. I'm going to modify the old road rash 1020 for a bit more lift and stability, I'm going to make a 1080 gullwing out of it. Now, all we need is some wind.

That is pretty interesting about your feet on the 240.  I am thinking that wing foilers may have different priorities than pumpers.
 I know that I sure want to pump as little as necessary.  On the Axis 1020 I didn't notice that any foot position change was required from the GoFoil 200.  The Axis was just much better mannered in that position.  Smooth lift with sustained cruise.  Nice!
 We have been on the East Coast for the last week and I am stoked to get back for a second day on this kit.  We have the other tail sizes arriving today as well.  We will see how those go on the smaller front wings.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: obxDave on September 24, 2019, 05:09:50 AM
Where are you ordering your Axis foils from?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on September 24, 2019, 05:21:07 AM
We went through the website.  They have been quick and awesome to work with.  https://axisfoils.com/collections/all-sup
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 24, 2019, 05:57:50 AM
Also https://live2kite.com/

Same business. They distribute Axis.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: obxDave on September 24, 2019, 06:20:43 AM
Also https://live2kite.com/

Same business. They distribute Axis.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: bigmtn on October 21, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
Just picked up an axis set with a 900 wing. Wondering which of the bigger wings you guys prefer now? 1000 or 1020? And why? What's your daily driver?

I'm probably going to put in an order for a different size mast (got 68 and 90, but want the 75 for prone foiling), and a bigger wing, just can't decide which or if I should just stick with the 900.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on October 21, 2019, 07:33:26 PM
depends a lot on your weight. I like the 1020 but I'm 235.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on October 22, 2019, 01:12:40 AM
Just picked up an axis set with a 900 wing. Wondering which of the bigger wings you guys prefer now? 1000 or 1020? And why? What's your daily driver?

I'm probably going to put in an order for a different size mast (got 68 and 90, but want the 75 for prone foiling), and a bigger wing, just can't decide which or if I should just stick with the 900.

How heavy are you Big?  Will this be for Winging and surf foil?  The 1020 is awesome as a lighter wind wing for Winging at my 170 lbs.  Chan uses the 920 in this same wind and she is tiny.  The 1000 needs a little more wind. 
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: bigmtn on October 22, 2019, 10:34:47 AM
165-170ish, thinking more for with a wing. I'd use the 900 in the surf.

I'm assuming you like the 1020 better because it doesn't drop out at slow speeds like the higher aspect wings do. Was thinking the 1020 would be better when the wind is lighter, and then the 900 when its cranking. (I have a 4.2 swing) Just wanted to hear others thoughts and experiences with the 2 wings.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 22, 2019, 12:02:50 PM
165-170ish, thinking more for with a wing. I'd use the 900 in the surf.

I'm assuming you like the 1020 better because it doesn't drop out at slow speeds like the higher aspect wings do. Was thinking the 1020 would be better when the wind is lighter, and then the 900 when its cranking. (I have a 4.2 swing) Just wanted to hear others thoughts and experiences with the 2 wings.

You nailed it. Both wings complement each other perfectly like that.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on October 22, 2019, 05:58:42 PM
I'm thrilled with the results of the Fatboy Axis. I used the 1020 today in blistering winds at Roosevelt in the Gorge (gusts to 40) because I thought using a 4.0M Duotone would push the 1020 along nicely. It did, but in the big swells I was bouncing around a lot even up on the foil, and I had to concentrate on what the foil was doing as well as trying to keep the wing under control in the gusts and trying to keep from getting wiped off the board with a big bump. I wound up coming down a lot more than I would have liked. After I was pretty thoroughly exhausted I came in and decided to do one more run with the Fatboy. Swapped it out, went back out, and ***+++NIRVANA+++****. Seriously, it was so awesome. As soon as I got pointed right and got the wing calmed down and pulling I just bent my knees and I was up. Zoomed across the river without a tap. I even managed to shuffle around on the foil a but to get the trim a little nicer.

I almost nailed a foiling jibe but it got a bit wet at the end. Got back up, flexed the knees and blasted back across the wide river. I played around a lot, turning downwind on the big bumps and riding them, then turning back and going hard upwind to regain lost ground. I overdid the upwind a couple of times and stalled out, but I was high enough to pivot the foil downwind before it came down, and then swoop to regain speed without touching down. That feels fantastic.

I'm certain what I was feeling is the same thing any 195 pound rider of similar skill level feels on a 1020. I might have gained a little roll stability in addition to more lift with my wanky gullwing design. But basically it just gets my fat ass up off the water without drama or much pumping, and I can ignore the foil and concentrate on the other fifteen things you need to think about in this sport.

When we get out of the water on days like this we just babble at each other. It's been a long time since I got this excited about mastering the basics of a sport. Foils surfing came close, but wing foiling feels like it opens the door to endless possibilities.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on October 22, 2019, 06:51:58 PM
165-170ish, thinking more for with a wing. I'd use the 900 in the surf.

I'm assuming you like the 1020 better because it doesn't drop out at slow speeds like the higher aspect wings do. Was thinking the 1020 would be better when the wind is lighter, and then the 900 when its cranking. (I have a 4.2 swing) Just wanted to hear others thoughts and experiences with the 2 wings.

Hi Big,

We are the same weight.  It was blasting today (and completely freaking awesome).  I used the 920 and it was perfect.  I would have been getting too much lift from the 1020.  It is an incredible wing but it has its limit.  Chan was out on the 820 and I grabbed her board and took a few (failed) runs on that wing.  Neither of us are in love with the 820 yet.  I really like the 920.  The 1000 is awesome but it overlaps the 1020 quite a bit and it really wants to be powered.  It is incredible when it is relatively smooth water or when you can keep pumping it.  When it gets super choppy and the swell is big it becomes a bit more work.  Probably awesome for running downwind on swells but more work for playing in place.  I only have a few runs on the 900 so far so I can't really comment on that one.  I don't think you can go wrong with the 1020. 
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: paddlur on October 22, 2019, 06:53:56 PM
Bill Iím pretty much similar weight class as you, see you really like the 1020 axis front wing winging,but what rear wing are using?any comparisons to the GF 280 performance wise as that is my wing of choice usually but the axis definitely looks nice, are those masts sealed well as a few years back had a aluminum mast on one of my kite foils that leaked and trapped the water in the extrusion chambers and weighed a bit more than Iíd like after a session was not a big fan of the older aluminum mast, have they eliminated that with the new axis aluminum masts?Oh what mast are using 75cm?Thanks
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on October 23, 2019, 06:30:34 AM
I'm using either the 500 or the 440 Axis rear wing. I like the 440 for pumping and smooth water, the 500 is great for the crazy shit. Fatboy and 500 was the ticket yesterday (Fatboy is the 1020 extended to 1096 with no change in chord.

I sometimes get a little water into my mast, but it's a trickle, not a dump. The fittings on the Axis mast adapters is close and the mast is encased in the aluminum of the adapters. There's still a little wobble--the parts would probably stick if the clearance was a lot less--so shimming is a good idea. Most folks use beer can shims, I prefer aluminum tape which gives a full-perimeter shim and probably seals it as well. I have to use some care taking the masts out of the adapter, but the fuss is worthwhile and I don't take the mast apart often.

I'm using the 75 most of the time. I've tried the 90 and like it, but there a lot of rocks here in the gorge so I need to flip the board a lot more often and a lot further out. The shorter masts are resting comfortably in bubblewrap, I haven't used them other than a first test and them back to bubble.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: paddlur on October 23, 2019, 07:52:26 PM
I'm using either the 500 or the 440 Axis rear wing. I like the 440 for pumping and smooth water, the 500 is great for the crazy shit. Fatboy and 500 was the ticket yesterday (Fatboy is the 1020 extended to 1096 with no change in chord.

I sometimes get a little water into my mast, but it's a trickle, not a dump. The fittings on the Axis mast adapters is close and the mast is encased in the aluminum of the adapters. There's still a little wobble--the parts would probably stick if the clearance was a lot less--so shimming is a good idea. Most folks use beer can shims, I prefer aluminum tape which gives a full-perimeter shim and probably seals it as well. I have to use some care taking the masts out of the adapter, but the fuss is worthwhile and I don't take the mast apart often.

I'm using the 75 most of the time. I've tried the 90 and like it, but there a lot of rocks here in the gorge so I need to flip the board a lot more often and a lot further out. The shorter masts are resting comfortably in bubblewrap, I haven't used them other than a first test and them back to bubble.
Thanks Bill for the info looks like a good bigboy set up!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Surfside on October 24, 2019, 04:13:45 AM
Yesterday we went out in 15-20 mph sideshore and tried my buddies's fairly new GF 280 on my 7'4". It is so floaty that when you are not on board, it rises, resulting in the board floating on it's rail. My GF 200 does not do this. Is the 1020 as "floaty" as the 280?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on October 24, 2019, 04:53:11 AM
I found the GoFoil M 200 to be very floaty.  It stayed on its side with a fully exposed wing for a long while and I ended up manually forcing it under water so I could get started.  It also did not quickly submerge when I crashed so that also added a level of excitement.  The Axis foils are all very quick sinkers in comparison to the M200.  I sometimes do help it under but it goes right down with a little direction.   I haven't used a 280 but if that was even floatier than your 200 you should find an even greater difference to the Axis foils.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Surfside on October 24, 2019, 05:00:00 AM
Thx!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on October 24, 2019, 10:14:46 AM
The newer GoFoil foils are super floaty. My 280 is ancient (in SUP foil terms) so it's not too corky, but the new M200s float like a rubber ducky and my GL240 is irritatingly floaty, though it's fairly easy to shove it down. On the plus side, light wings seem to feel better once you're up, and they certainly carry easier. Carrying Mr. Fugly with a 280 was a major chore. Little Fugly with either the GL240 or the Axis is much nicer.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 25, 2019, 10:37:35 AM
Jacky had to work today....so I rode the 920 with 3.5m Swing. Wow, the 920 is nice. I see a new problem now.  ;D
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on October 26, 2019, 02:39:18 AM
Hah!  The 1020/920 combo does cover 10-35 really well.  We had an awesome 20-25 session yesterday with frequent lighter dips.  It was a bit up and down but all in the range.  I was on the 4.2 and the 1020.  I could easily have been on the 3.5.  We under-judged it a little.  The thing I like best about the 20's is how smooth they are.  I wish that we liked the 820 more.  Chan hasn't tried the 1000 or the 900 yet so one of those may be good for her as a higher wind wing.  When I am close to the high edge on the 1020 I can't imagine what that is like for her on the 920.  That is relatively a way bigger wing for her.  What is Jacky using when the wind picks up?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on October 26, 2019, 03:03:22 AM
Jacky is only 2 sessions back from her dislocated shoulder. She is still trying to learn pumping the foil and wing in sync. So she has another session of two before she is flying consistent. My advantage over her, when learning winging, was I was already a good SUP foiler, so I was quite good at pumping a SUP onto foil. She is way behind me in paddle SUP foiling skill. She still has a job. Iím retired. Winging just doesnít have the power of a kite to get on foil, so she has to learn a lot of new techniques. If she picks a huge wing, then she fears for her shoulder. So far, winging feels good on the shoulder.

I have the 900 for her, when she is ready for it. Iím going to wait (I think) on ordering smaller wings, until I see the 2020 Axis lineup. For 2020 the wings we already own stay the same. I want to see the sizes of the new Gul wing style wings.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 01, 2019, 01:55:59 AM
Some new kit for 2020:

https://www.facebook.com/AxisKiteboarding/videos/2557587157622955/
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 07, 2019, 04:40:38 AM
Somebody got one. I want the 880 version of this wing.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4jnwy9Hsi1/?igshid=12nuc1eqvmt5z
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 07, 2019, 05:10:36 AM
I preordered a couple of the new carbon 76 cm masts and new short fuselages and with the adapter spigots they will work with the existing masts as well.  Those look great.  The ultra short 2020 fuselages are in stock now and the other are coming soon. They said that those have extra milling in the head and tail for additional weight savings.  SOLD :).
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: flkiter on November 07, 2019, 05:22:37 AM
I'm guessing the 880 wing will be a 1500-1600 wing. I have the 1010 on order along with the 880. It's awesome that we don't have to wait a full year for new product to progress the sport
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 07, 2019, 07:33:06 AM
What are they aiming for with these new designs?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: surfinib on November 07, 2019, 08:10:32 AM
Admin, where are you getting the 2020 gear ordered from? Axis direct and Live 2 Kite (West distributor) only have 2019 gear listed on their sites.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 07, 2019, 08:15:57 AM
What are they aiming for with these new designs?

I heard awhile back, from another brands rep, Gul wings surf amazing. Thatís all I know, plus itís so much fun to try new wings.

Dealers got the 2020 info this week. You have to know somebody to get a peak. Ordering from Live2kite and axisfoils.com is the same people.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on November 07, 2019, 03:20:23 PM
The Fatboy wing is a variation on a gullwing. The variation is because I wanted plenty of margin for the carbon joint where I sawed the wing apart. It's a little more stable and turns oddly, but nicely. First, it resists the turn a little, then it kind of "locks" in and turns very smoothly, then it resists not turning. Once I got used to it I found that to be advantageous. Like cruise control.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: exiled on November 07, 2019, 04:45:56 PM
That gullwing axis looks a lot like the Ke Nalu Iwa foils. How down turned are the tips?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 08, 2019, 02:39:36 AM
Axis actually had a couple of the new Short fuselages come in and they sent those to me with the spigots for our current masts.  I am stoked to try those on our new little boards...and I am running out of usable days  :-\.  I am interested to see how much weight savings the carbon setups will offer.  I love it that they eliminate the track adapter.  Axis wings are incredibly light with most of the overall weight coming from the mast/adapter and then the fuselage.   Lighten up one or both of those parts and this could become a really light setup.

I asked Axis about the new wings and they let me know: In regards to the new Front Wings coming out, there will be many new items in store for 2020! That 1010 is going to be part of our Downwind Performance Series. It will be a super easy Downwinder Wing which will have early lift and endless glide! The 880 will be in our Surf Performance Series so great for Surf and SUP. Will be a great Wake wing as well. Insane gear coming out we are Stoked!

Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: supnorte on November 08, 2019, 04:51:30 AM
I brought the new 660 wing from a meeting with the Axis guys at Paddleexpo in Germany for big-wave rider Rafael Tapia to use in Nazarť. It's for big wave tow foiling and also for high-performance prone foiling, since you can do really tight carves with it.
Here's some videos from Nazarť sessions:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=460534811487645

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=409871569697765

And since it's already out there I'm posting some top-secret photos from some of the new products  ;D


Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on November 08, 2019, 03:02:29 PM
Ohhhhh.....foil porn!!  :o ;D
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 08, 2019, 05:33:51 PM
Admin, where are you getting the 2020 gear ordered from? Axis direct and Live 2 Kite (West distributor) only have 2019 gear listed on their sites.

I had been communicating with them by email. I asked and they replied:  Awesome to hear about the riders looking for more AXIS. You can always direct them to us here at AXIS Foils, axisfoils@gmail.com with any questions and needs.  Also they check in with their local dealers that sell AXIS Foils.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 11, 2019, 02:12:34 AM
After a few days of stronger wind and smaller gear, we had a light westerly breeze yesterday accompanied by perfect 64 degree air and sunshine.  The Gorge is so beautiful in those conditions.  This was a soft and agreeable wind.  It was mostly 12 MPH, ranging from 8 to 18 but without edgy gusts.  Perfect Swing 5 meter weather with the Axis 1020.  I had the big 500 tail on with the Standard fuselage (in Axis speak the Standard is their longest fuselage) so this is their biggest kit.  That combination is silly fun in light wind.  It pops up so effortlessly and responds so well to pumping.  It takes a little adjusting to because the rhythm of the pump can be so much slower with this bigger gear.  I was practicing one quick little down push and slowly riding it up. Keeping the up angle really low.  Doing it like that and bring the air wing overhead you can feel it all accelerating you upwards for 30 or 40 feet on a tiny little downpump.  That momentarily weightless sensation right there is unique to this sport.  It really does feel like your flying.  These things are so freaking efficient.  I was also amazed by how the big foil would pick up the little microcups that were forming.  Go into a jibe and you can feel the tiniest slopes accelerate you with no wing involvement.

I stayed out for two hours, completely overheated in the sunshine and my winter rubber and stumbled up the beach like a goofball but jeez was that fun.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 11, 2019, 03:25:34 AM
Wait til you feel those sensations paddling into a wave!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: surfinJ on November 11, 2019, 06:21:29 AM
After a few days of stronger wind and smaller gear, we had a light westerly breeze yesterday accompanied by perfect 64 degree air and sunshine.  The Gorge is so beautiful in those conditions.  This was a soft and agreeable wind.  It was mostly 12 MPH, ranging from 8 to 18 but without edgy gusts.  Perfect Swing 5 meter weather with the Axis 1020.  I had the big 500 tail on with the Standard fuselage (in Axis speak the Standard is their longest fuselage) so this is their biggest kit.  That combination is silly fun in light wind.  It pops up so effortlessly and responds so well to pumping.  It takes a little adjusting to because the rhythm of the pump can be so much slower with this bigger gear.  I was practicing one quick little down push and slowly riding it up. Keeping the up angle really low.  Doing it like that and bring the air wing overhead you can feel it all accelerating you upwards for 30 or 40 feet on a tiny little downpump.  That momentarily weightless sensation right there is unique to this sport.  It really does feel like your flying.  These things are so freaking efficient.  I was also amazed by how the big foil would pick up the little microcups that were forming.  Go into a jibe and you can feel the tiniest slopes accelerate you with no wing involvement.

I stayed out for two hours, completely overheated in the sunshine and my winter rubber and stumbled up the beach like a goofball but jeez was that fun.

So although the vids have been ever more enticing from foil world, it might be this post that pushes me over the edge.
Only details to be worked out is an honest tally of time available, and the family administrator.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: obxDave on November 11, 2019, 01:52:44 PM
After a few days of stronger wind and smaller gear, we had a light westerly breeze yesterday accompanied by perfect 64 degree air and sunshine.  The Gorge is so beautiful in those conditions.  This was a soft and agreeable wind.  It was mostly 12 MPH, ranging from 8 to 18 but without edgy gusts.  Perfect Swing 5 meter weather with the Axis 1020.  I had the big 500 tail on with the Standard fuselage (in Axis speak the Standard is their longest fuselage) so this is their biggest kit.  That combination is silly fun in light wind.  It pops up so effortlessly and responds so well to pumping.  It takes a little adjusting to because the rhythm of the pump can be so much slower with this bigger gear.  I was practicing one quick little down push and slowly riding it up. Keeping the up angle really low.  Doing it like that and bring the air wing overhead you can feel it all accelerating you upwards for 30 or 40 feet on a tiny little downpump.  That momentarily weightless sensation right there is unique to this sport.  It really does feel like your flying.  These things are so freaking efficient.  I was also amazed by how the big foil would pick up the little microcups that were forming.  Go into a jibe and you can feel the tiniest slopes accelerate you with no wing involvement.

I stayed out for two hours, completely overheated in the sunshine and my winter rubber and stumbled up the beach like a goofball but jeez was that fun.

Need.........to........see...........video.......
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: surfinib on November 11, 2019, 03:41:38 PM
Admin, where are you getting the 2020 gear ordered from? Axis direct and Live 2 Kite (West distributor) only have 2019 gear listed on their sites.

I had been communicating with them by email. I asked and they replied:  Awesome to hear about the riders looking for more AXIS. You can always direct them to us here at AXIS Foils, axisfoils@gmail.com with any questions and needs.  Also they check in with their local dealers that sell AXIS Foils.

Thanks! I talked with the Live2Kite folks that I got my original Axis setup from and placed an order and preordered the carbon mast and 880 wing.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 11, 2019, 03:57:05 PM
Need.........to........see...........video.......

Just imagine a Gazelle as an aquatic animal and you will pretty much have it. 
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 12, 2019, 02:45:14 AM
So although the vids have been ever more enticing from foil world, it might be this post that pushes me over the edge.
Only details to be worked out is an honest tally of time available, and the family administrator.
Thanks.

The real clincher then should be that you can go on almost any available day.  The wind forecasters here have not caught up with that at all.  They are still saying things like, "light and variable, plan on Golf" and we are scouring the NOAA models for how light? how variable?  Aside: those public models are freaking awesome for finding wind.  I have had 7 or 8 really good days in November many of which have had a stay home forecast. 

Another thing is that the light wind experience is one of the most incredible aspects of the sport.  You don't want to miss that.  It is when the flying sensation is in full soaring mode.  This is incredible on flat water, better with bumps, but I can't even imagine an 8-12 MPH day with even the smallest ocean groundswell.  When we lived on Maui I used to paddle OC1 out at lower Kanaha when it was 1 foot and windless (no one out surfing).  A few other canoes did this sometimes and we would pick up these super smooth waves and glide and glide.  It was an amazing feeling.  Can you imagine that with sideshore wind and a wing at 8 to 12 MPH? 
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on November 13, 2019, 11:29:40 PM
  It was mostly 12 MPH, ranging from 8 to 18 but without edgy gusts.  Perfect Swing 5 meter weather with the Axis 1020.  I had the big 500 tail on with the Standard fuselage (in Axis speak the Standard is their longest fuselage) so this is their biggest kit.  That combination is silly fun in light wind.  It pops up so effortlessly and responds so well to pumping.
I have the same Axis foil setup for light wind , just not the 500 rear wing but the 440...
Should I get a 500 to be able to go in even lighter wind conditions?

Axis has another 500 rear wing for windsurf foiling , The 500 Anhedral.
Would that one be a good choice , we are wing foiling but also windsurf foiling...
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 14, 2019, 01:49:03 AM
  It was mostly 12 MPH, ranging from 8 to 18 but without edgy gusts.  Perfect Swing 5 meter weather with the Axis 1020.  I had the big 500 tail on with the Standard fuselage (in Axis speak the Standard is their longest fuselage) so this is their biggest kit.  That combination is silly fun in light wind.  It pops up so effortlessly and responds so well to pumping.
I have the same Axis foil setup for light wind , just not the 500 rear wing but the 440...
Should I get a 500 to be able to go in even lighter wind conditions?

Axis has another 500 rear wing for windsurf foiling , The 500 Anhedral.
Would that one be a good choice , we are wing foiling but also windsurf foiling...

Hi Soekip,

My big kit is 68 mast, standard (long) fuselage, 1020 front and a 500 rear.  That setup is amazing for really light wind.  The 440 doesn't pop up as effortlessly with the 1020 and it doesn't feel as balanced.  I don't use the 500 on any of the other wings but on this one it is magic.  We leave the 400 on the 920 with a standard fuselage and keep those two assembled all the time.  I consider those really solid combinations.  We also have a Short fuselage with the 1000 and a 440.  That one we switch around.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 14, 2019, 04:22:53 AM
I didnít like the 440 with the 1020 either. The 500 works better with it. I donít like the feel of anhedral tail wings. I have used standard and short fuselage with it. Standard is extra stable. It makes feet shuffling easy.

With our 920, we have it setup with short fuselage and 440 tail. I donít have a 400 to try. 440 feels good to me. I prefer the short fuselage. It makes pumping the board into the air much easier than the standard fuselage.

I need to sell my standard fuselage and go all short.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 14, 2019, 06:22:35 AM
I need to sell my standard fuselage and go all short.

We just got two of the new short ones and they are awesome.  The head is entirely milled out.  There is a little milling on the tail.  The mast pedestal has been completely removed.  The new mast attachment point on the fuselage is female.  The doodad is highly milled and has a Gene Simmons tongue.  They took off a surprising amount of material over the old style.  These are nice and light in hand.  This is going to be awesome with the new carbon masts. 
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: exiled on November 14, 2019, 09:14:34 AM
If I just order from the axis site am I going to get a new style fuselage or are they still selling the outdated ones?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on November 14, 2019, 09:39:32 AM
If I just order from the axis site am I going to get a new style fuselage or are they still selling the outdated ones?

It don't think that you would get this style.  I am not sure if the older style is discontinued or if they are keeping both.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 14, 2019, 12:54:09 PM
With my last order, they sent 2019 standard fuse and 2020 short fuse. When 2019 stock is gone, 2020 ships. So youíre safe with a short fuse order.

Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: exiled on November 14, 2019, 01:38:46 PM
I was hoping to order a 2020 ultra short. I want the option to switch to carbon later. Hmm
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: flkiter on November 14, 2019, 02:55:26 PM
The 2020 fuselage takes the dodad to be used in the metal mast. If you're going carbon, it'll attach directly.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on November 14, 2019, 11:02:38 PM
The new S1010 wing is 1010 mm wingspan ;D and projected area is 1430 cm^2

The amazing thing is that the actual area also is 1430^2 ...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit?usp=sharing)

The S1000 is 1310/1388.
So the S1010 is not much bigger than the S1000 and a lot flatter aka completely flat

There is also a new 460 rear wing coming that also seems to be completely flat
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 16, 2019, 04:49:46 AM
This looks like the 101 wing with 460 tail.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49072868218_d6a914e03a.jpg)
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: bigmtn on November 16, 2019, 11:44:34 AM
What's the info on the 880 wing?? How's it compare to the 900 or the 920/820?  Haven't seen any pics or really any info about it. Is it high aspect?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on November 16, 2019, 12:39:51 PM
880 is surf performance series. Same as the 660 photos posted here
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on December 16, 2019, 04:11:47 AM
The new S1010 wing is 1010 mm wingspan ;D and projected area is 1430 cm^2

The amazing thing is that the actual area also is 1430^2 ...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit?usp=sharing)

The S1000 is 1310/1388.
So the S1010 is not much bigger than the S1000 and a lot flatter aka completely flat

There is also a new 460 rear wing coming that also seems to be completely flat

Some interesting updates on the 1010 here https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/Axis-101?page=1#14 .  More area than the 1000 but the lowest of the 3 in volume.

S1000 area 1310, volume 1904 cm^3
S1010 area 1430, volume 1732 cm^3
S1020 area 2013, volume 4161 cm^3

(https://www.seabreeze.com.au/img/photos/stand_up_paddle/15909696.jpg)
Title: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: toejammer2 on December 20, 2019, 03:16:57 PM
Ready to get into Axis foils for winging-1000 and 1020 wings etc. Just wondering if I should wait for the new stuff  i.e. carbon masts to come out. I emailed live2kite but they never answered back.
Also, anyone know if all of the mast sizes will come out in carbon?  I willing to gamble the money on a 48 cm beginner mast to see if I can supfoil some luscious insiders at our beach break without breaking my face.

Iíve been using my Kai and Iwa with my floaty but heavy 8í hypernut. Iím going to start using my 7í4 carbon hypernut and my 6í6Ē Kalama when I feel more confident with the wing.

4.2 Fone,5.0 Fone and 7m Gong
Weight: 190
Cheers
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on December 20, 2019, 03:33:52 PM
There is no reason to wait. 1000 and 1020 are the same for 2020.

They are already supplying the 2020 short fuselage with all orders. Thatís what you need, should you decide to go carbon someday. Iím not going carbon.

Mast is the same for 2020 in the aluminum.

You donít need a short mast for shore break. You ride high on foil in the shallows, then kick the board airborne on exit. Pretty easy to execute.
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: Admin on December 21, 2019, 02:12:06 AM
Also, anyone know if all of the mast sizes will come out in carbon?

When we ordered the Carbon 76 masts Axis had written, "sizing will start with the 76cm at $788 and 96cm at $857 and then later in 2020 will come out with the 86cm and 106cm."
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: Paddle On on January 03, 2020, 08:36:13 AM
I bought a full kit from Live2Kite. For me as a beginner, it was recommended I get the Aluminum $100 mast as opposed to the $800 carbon. He said in order to get the stiffness the carbon mast would only be 15% lighter and I would never be able to tell the difference for a while. I also got the Axis 7'6" Carbon board. I have not had much time on it and am now injured and out for the next month or two so no report.
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: soepkip on January 03, 2020, 11:18:42 PM
Are the S820 and S920 obsolete now that the S900 and S1000 are out?

Or are there still conditions that the older front wings are the better choice?

Perhaps they  are turning more radical  have better lift in light wind and small waves?
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 04, 2020, 03:35:55 AM
Are the S820 and S920 obsolete now that the S900 and S1000 are out?

Or are there still conditions that the older front wings are the better choice?

Perhaps they  are turning more radical  have better lift in light wind and small waves?

They are very different wings. The 102 and 92 and really easy to ride. Early lift, without too much lift. Great for small waves and light wind winging. The 1000 and 900 are good for more skilled users, in better quality waves and higher winds. My guess is the 82 and smaller sizes will be less desirable when the 880, 780, 680 arrive soon. Not sure how the new 101 will fit in. It might be more desirable than the 1000.

102 and 1000 is a good quiver. 92 and 900 is another good quiver pair.
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: toejammer2 on January 04, 2020, 10:12:52 AM
Finally called and talked to Lenny at Live2Kite. Nice to have someone spend the time to explain things.  Felt good to know enough to tell him what I wanted based on a summer of reading on the Standupzone! Got the 1020 with the 500 rear wing for now. Along with the 60cm mast I got the 45cm for low tide. Saving for the 920 or 1000 and the 440 rear wing.
Cheers!
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: Admin on January 05, 2020, 01:56:24 AM
Are the S820 and S920 obsolete now that the S900 and S1000 are out?

Or are there still conditions that the older front wings are the better choice?

Perhaps they  are turning more radical  have better lift in light wind and small waves?

Axis just put out a nice video which describes what they have found with the 900 but also how it fits with the 1000 and 920. 

Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: Admin on January 05, 2020, 01:57:10 AM
https://www.facebook.com/axisfoils/videos/599173527322140/
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: obxDave on January 05, 2020, 10:41:09 PM
Has anyone measured the weight of their full Axis foil rig (say 1020 wing, short fus, 75cm mast, etc) or whatever theyíre specifically using? Really curious where they are coming in at.
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 06, 2020, 12:36:10 PM
Has anyone measured the weight of their full Axis foil rig (say 1020 wing, short fus, 75cm mast, etc) or whatever theyíre specifically using? Really curious where they are coming in at.

You can try them all when you come down here.
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: obxDave on January 06, 2020, 03:09:11 PM
Has anyone measured the weight of their full Axis foil rig (say 1020 wing, short fus, 75cm mast, etc) or whatever theyíre specifically using? Really curious where they are coming in at.

You can try them all when you come down here.

Cool! Iíll bring my scale. :)  My Gong rig weighs in at ~10.5 pounds (pro XL, 65cm mast). My Moses rig with a 70 cm mast and the 790 front wing weighs in at ~6.75 pounds. The difference is really noticeable. I figure just like the board, all that swing weight of the foil starts to add up.
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: PonoBill on January 07, 2020, 10:53:29 AM
I'm loving the 960 in high wind. I'm going to have to try a 1000 next. I don't get as much glide through the lulls with the 960, but it turns on a dime.
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 07, 2020, 12:34:10 PM
I'm loving the 960 in high wind. I'm going to have to try a 1000 next. I don't get as much glide through the lulls with the 960, but it turns on a dime.

Do you mean 920?  There is no 960 with Axis.
Title: Re: 2020 Axis foils
Post by: PonoBill on January 07, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
Probably.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: cnski on January 16, 2020, 10:30:53 AM
Anyone have a 500mm rear wing they want to part with? Went to the Axis website and put a new one in my cart and it automatically calculated shipping with UPS 5 day for $68. $68 dollars to ship a rear wing?? WTF!!!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 16, 2020, 12:52:16 PM
Anyone have a 500mm rear wing they want to part with? Went to the Axis website and put a new one in my cart and it automatically calculated shipping with UPS 5 day for $68. $68 dollars to ship a rear wing?? WTF!!!

Email them. They will correct it. They also do free shipping if you contact them, on most stuff.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: cnski on January 16, 2020, 03:52:07 PM
Thanks. They changed the shipping to $18. Ordered one.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on January 16, 2020, 11:12:01 PM
Anybody tried the new S1010 ?

I really hope it will be easy to lift but it is only 1430 cm2 , just a little bit bigger than the S1000
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on January 17, 2020, 02:30:28 AM
Anybody tried the new S1010 ?

I really hope it will be easy to lift but it is only 1430 cm2 , just a little bit bigger than the S1000

Ericfoil has ridden it. He says I will love it. It will not be easier to get airborne than the 1020 or 920. Itís in the same class wing as the 1000, just the next level, specific to down winding, super glider style.