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Title: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 19, 2019, 05:58:59 AM
Stoked to have some Axis foils on the way!  I recently spent a little time on a 28.5" (72.4 cm) GoFoil mast and found that a lot more comfortable (less twitchy) than the 32" that I have been using.  It makes leveling out so much nicer.  I didn't want to go back to the longer mast :).  I ordered 3 masts (all right around 100 bucks) to dial that in (60, 68, 75).  I see a lot of riders on ~65 (25.6") and I want to check that out.  It is amazing how a (seemingly) little mast length can change things.  I really like the simple modualrity of the Axis design.  It will be cool to check that out and see how these things work.   More parts!  Chan is thrilled :).
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 19, 2019, 06:34:37 AM
I hope you ordered a base plate for each mast. Thatís how I roll. I have a rack of masts in my van. Grabbing the length needed for the conditions.

Youíll want to cut up a beer can and use that to shim the base plate to the mast tight. Hammer it on. Then never take it apart. They donít fit tight by design anymore, from most brands. Too many kooks complained about not getting them apart when they were designed tight. I know of only one brand that press fit the base plates on the mast and supplied them with each mast.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 19, 2019, 07:58:16 AM
Hey Dwight.  I hadn't thought about that.  Are you changing mast length a lot?  I was thinking I would experiment a little and see which felt best and then stay there for a while.   What length have you been using with the wing?  What foil sizes?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 19, 2019, 09:02:15 AM
My experience is all surfing based....still no 5m Duotone.

I use a 70cm mast on Neil Prydeís biggest wing most often. Iíd switch to 75cm on bigger days or wind blown days, if I had one. Thatís when the wing breaches are more likely. 65-70cm reacts quicker surfing.

With my Axis 102 Iím using the 75cm. The idea is to wing sail it. Maybe SUP surf it on small days. I think wing sailing downwind will mean sloppy seas, so longer is better. Maybe even 80cm. Iíd cut one to hit 80cm. Donít care for 90cm, unless kite racing. So far, Iíve only taken the Axis for a spin with my kite. It didnít like being driven by a kite. Too stiff handling for such a small board (20Ē wide). The big NP wing is much looser, but itís smaller.

There is no need to be higher than necessary. I just want to foil with minimal ricochets off the water. Whatever mast it takes to hit that goal. Although when mixing in wind power, a longer mast lets you heel the board over steeper and that makes it point much higher upwind. Thatís why I go long for racing upwind.

I windsurf 80cm mast. Custom cut for Slingshot Infinity 76 wing.

So you need a full rack of masts in the van  ;D
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 19, 2019, 05:17:01 PM
Great info.  I am stoked to check out the different sizes.  I had a great day on my old 82 cm mast today (really nice 20-25 on my 4 meter wing) but I have to be very gentle with my front foot.  Push down and let up a little too much and it can really go drive-wild.  The 72 is much more mellow like that.  Don't get me wrong, it is exciting to feel that acceleration but I could stand a middle ground :).  Our group was ear to ear grins today.  This sport is stupid fun!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 19, 2019, 08:05:24 PM
I needed either 5 more mph of wind or a 5M (I sound like a broken record--is that even a useful metaphor anymore??) but yeah. Now that we're getting up and going long distances on the foil it's getting downright giddy.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 25, 2019, 02:29:21 AM
Cool video from Axis.  Adrian talks about their mast and shows the connection system.   Nice.

https://www.facebook.com/thekitemaginternational/videos/489265838315751/
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 26, 2019, 05:34:07 PM
I was very stoked to see my Axis stuff at my door today.  No wind today so a great afternoon for tinkering. 

I am very happy with how this stuff all assembled and there were a few surprises as well.  The slightly larger Axis wings (1020 and 920) are insanely light in comparison to my GoFoil wings (Go Foil M200 and Iwa).  This got me pretty stoked when I was setting up because I thought it was possible that even with the aluminum masts/fuselage of the Axis that the weight might be pretty close.  But I was really surprised that my largest complete Axis assembly (wings, fuselage, mast, board mount and hardware) ended up being 1.4 lbs lighter than the complete carbon Go Foil.  I believe the 1020 wing is actually bit larger overall than the M-200 and I have the 500 stabilizer and the longest Axis fuselage.  On the other side I do have the Tuttle adapter on the GoFoil.  So, not an exact apples to apples match but similar enough that I found it interesting.  So stoked to check this out on the water!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 26, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
I thought my SUP was more stable with the Axis under me, than any other foil Iíve tried. Iíd be curious if you feel any difference.

I did try the 440 rear wing with the 102 and didnít like the feel. The 500 rear felt better matched. I know some people love smaller rear wings, but I like my loads more balanced between the wings. I dislike putting my rear foot behind the mast to make a foil trim out.

I would like to try a shorter fuselage. Maybe Iíll get one when I splurge on the 1000 front wing.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on August 27, 2019, 01:26:53 AM
I have a Neil Pryde foil, Gofoil with 29.5 mast plus plate adapter and and an Axis 1020.
I think the NP foil is just as stiff as the Axis and the Gofoil is just a little less stiff.

All the other brands I tried including the Gofoil 28.5 mast were a no go for me.
I want to have a small board and that is only possible (for me) with a stiff foil.

The baseplate of my NP foil is stuck permanently on the mast and I really like it that way, I think the same will happen with my Axis mast and plate eventually.
I guess I will have to order 2 more baseplates for my 2 other masts to be ready for that.

Perhaps I should go the beer can shim route to get rid of the last bit of play between the mast and the plate...

I have the standard fuselage  and the 440 , I wanted to get the 400 first perhaps I should get the 500...
I  also want to get a shorter fuselage, hope the new fuselages will come out soon.

Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 27, 2019, 02:18:48 AM
Interesting.  The standard Fuselage (~20.5 inches) on the Axis is 2.5 inches longer than the fixed fuselage on the GoFoil (~18 inches).  3 inches of "fuselage" is fused to the stabilzers on the GoFoil so I am measuring each to the junction of the actual wings.  From the specs the Axis Short fuselage is very similar in length to the Go Foil's fixed fuselage (.4 inch shorter).  The specs are a little odd here because they measure the whole of the fuselage including the mounts (which sit on the wings)  which would make it tricky to compare to another brand.  The 500 stabilizer looks a bit smaller overall than the Iwa all in (but the dimensions are very different shorter, larger chord, etc). 

The Axis wings are really impressive.  The max thickness is more constant than on the similarly sized GoFoils and the max thickness is a bit further from the leading edge as well.  The go Foils (M-200 and Iwa) are are thicker than the Axis at the mid line but thin more quickly as they move outwards.  I wonder if the 1020 will lift a bit more than the M 200.  Most interested to see if it is less work to keep flying when it is marginal.

Soekip, what was not working for you on the GoFoil 28.5.  I am not understanding what you wrote.  Does that mast flex more than the 29.5?

DW what are your plans for the 1000? 
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 27, 2019, 04:09:24 AM
I think the 1000 and 900 wings will work better being powered by wind. They wonít fight the speed.

I also geeked out on comparing wings in the beginning. Calipers on all my wings, noting thickness, max draft location, spread sheets, etc. My hope was that Iíd learn something and be able to look at a wing and tell if it would suit me. Boy was I wrong!

I even dreamed of finding one brand that would work for all my sports. Jacky and I would share the foil quiver parts, and weíd be set. I was wrong again!

I have to ride everything and pick and chose the cherry wings. The best I can hope for is to reduce the foundations I work with. Neil Pryde and Axis for surfing, kiting, winging, and Slingshot for windsurfing.

Did you notice Adrain said the Axis 900 was designed for windsurfing. It just happens to be awesome for downwinding. Big clue right there. Wing ding wing! It wonít fight the speed. It should run smooth and steady being pushed hard.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 27, 2019, 04:47:20 AM
That 900 is a beautiful looking wing but it is much smaller (1184 outline).  That sounds like a lot of work!
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: daswusup on August 27, 2019, 07:04:43 AM
I think the 1000 and 900 wings will work better being powered by wind. They wonít fight the speed.

I also geeked out on comparing wings in the beginning. Calipers on all my wings, noting thickness, max draft location, spread sheets, etc. My hope was that Iíd learn something and be able to look at a wing and tell if it would suit me. Boy was I wrong!

I even dreamed of finding one brand that would work for all my sports. Jacky and I would share the foil quiver parts, and weíd be set. I was wrong again!

I have to ride everything and pick and chose the cherry wings. The best I can hope for is to reduce the foundations I work with. Neil Pryde and Axis for surfing, kiting, winging, and Slingshot for windsurfing.

Did you notice Adrain said the Axis 900 was designed for windsurfing. It just happens to be awesome for downwinding. Big clue right there. Wing ding wing! It wonít fight the speed. It should run smooth and steady being pushed hard.
DW- I love the Slingy Infinity 76 with the 29"mast for kiting. I feel like I am doing a totally different sport than most of the kitefoilers I see. I like to go slow and completely shut the kite off and pump around downwind in search of bumps to slash. I also ride the time code 68 to do this but prefer the 76. There is a magical wind speed where there is no pull from the kite and I feel like I just pumped out to the middle of the lake. Most other kiters seem to be on smaller foils with a longer mast going really fast. That's fun too but once I outrun the bumps, I feel like I am throwing away a precious resource.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on August 27, 2019, 07:17:28 AM
Does that mast flex more than the 29.5?

Yes, a lot more
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 27, 2019, 07:41:11 AM
Huh.  When I read stiffer on the GoFoil site I though they were comparing to the smaller 24 inch with the same Tuttle attachment, not to the 28.5.  That is wild.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: JEG on August 27, 2019, 02:22:49 PM
I have the GoFoil 28.5 mast and I'm 80kg and its fine with IWA and M200 and I'm guessing if you are heavier than me I would get the 29 masts and to match with M280. It will be interesting to see those have 28.5 masts combining with the new GL wings like the 180, 210 & 240 & anyone done this combo and what's your weight?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 27, 2019, 09:59:52 PM
I'm going to run a pretty little bead of weld on my adapter to mast. No beer cans required, just a 250 amp TIG.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: soepkip on August 28, 2019, 01:41:44 AM
What about epoxy to bond the mast and plate forever?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 28, 2019, 03:30:55 AM
Welding will kill any temper in the aluminum. I assume the mast has a T6 temper.

Epoxy doesnít stick to aluminum very well.

Beer (Rockstar Organic can for me) can sounds crazy, but works awesome. Cans are so thin, you can trim any excess aluminum sticking out, with a simple carpet knife. I never knew modern cans cut as easy as paper until I did this.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 28, 2019, 05:38:47 AM
Easy to retemper it, but I wouldn't. It's probably 6061, might be T6. If I were aiming for maximum strength I'd age it at 350F for four hours or 400 for one hour depending on how long I could expect my wife to be away from the kitchen (actually I have a kiln, but I wouldn't fire it up for this). But short welds, thick metal--I wouldn't bother and the anodizing might darken. The heat-affected zone will be small and in an area where the metal is doubled up. I'd be loathe to weld in the middle of the mast, but at the adapter--no problem. And there are lots of epoxies that do very well with aluminum, especially anodized--most developed for aerospace and motorsports. Gorilla Glue's competing product to JB Weld is in that family and works like gangbusters on aluminum. I just used some yesterday to make an aluminum frame for a light that I didn't want to weld.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 28, 2019, 06:17:25 AM
Hi guys, 

I know that there is a sliver of extra room on insertion but it seems to tighten down really well with the torx driver.  I am not seeing or feeling any movement in mine by hand.  Are you guys feeling any slop on the water?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 28, 2019, 07:34:57 AM
Your hand is putting perhaps 20 pounds of torque on the thing. You can resist that by shimming with Parmesan cheese if it's well-aged.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 28, 2019, 09:01:13 AM
Are you feeling any slop on the water?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 28, 2019, 09:22:30 AM
with the 280--lots. Of course I think my fuselage is cracked vertically. I felt some with the axis and the 1020, but I have a 90cm mast, so I don't know if it's actual slop or just me wobbling around on a too-tall unicycle.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 28, 2019, 11:25:17 AM
Donít check it with the bolts installed. Check it without. You paid for top of the line engineering with that fuselage connection, then throw it away on the plate connection. No way! Hammer that sucker on.

BTW, surfed the Axis today in waist high, sloppy windy surf. After surfing my Neil Pryde. So back to back test. For sure, the Axis made my board more stable than the Neil Pryde. Axis is my new gold standard for easy pee zee on a SUP.

Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 29, 2019, 02:51:33 PM
The Axis 102 in 15mph wind today. My first day in enough wind to actually ride the wing ding.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1w2xrdHMkN/?igshid=1h32uejwikuub
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: gzasinets on August 30, 2019, 01:48:19 PM
Looking awesome Dwight! Is that 5m wing? I am on the gulf coast so looking for the right weather to take mine out. Stay safe for Dorian.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 30, 2019, 02:53:23 PM
Yes 5m. Wind about 15 mph
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 30, 2019, 07:43:55 PM
OK, I finally got a session on this Axis kit...and it's love.  What a difference.  3 hour session and I didn't want to quit.  So freaking fun.

So, how do I shim these adapters on?  Dwight, did you do a "U" with your cut beer can or something else?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: flkiter on August 30, 2019, 08:37:46 PM
Was out today on my DW 5'11"x 28" and the Axis 102 in Miami Beach so I was able to ride the wind chop and was really stable in over 20 knots of wind. Ended up eventually going on a 5 meter kite with an impulse foil so I found there isn't really anything now that I can't paddle in with the Axis foil.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 30, 2019, 09:43:23 PM
Today was a good day. I started out on the GoFoil M280, which was working pretty well but demanded intense focus to keep it from porpoising into an overfoil or a slam-down. After a few too many overfoil faceplants I decided to switch to the Axis 1020 even though I think the 90CM mast is a bit of a handful and I haven't received my new bits yet.

The Axis is harder to get up on, but once I was up it was smooth and easy. With the 280 if I try to move either foot I'm doomed, with the axis I could fiddle around quite a bit without drama, and I was able to edge toward the middle of the board to go downwind and try jibing. Almost made it a couple of times.

Of course, I had the eventual overconfidence slam down. I was up on a starboard tack, where I still have a lot less control than is desirable. Just as I was congratulating myself for my mastery of the starboard tack I went out of control, foolishly tried to save it, and wound up diving off the board into my wing, smacking myself briskly in the mouth with the boom. I floated around a bit, recovering, did one more run across the river and called it good since the wind was getting punky. Of course as soon as I had taken all my stuff apart the wind picked back up. Oh, well, tomorrow.

Admin was showing some style, with lots of air between his board and the water. He did a run that was reminiscent of a stone skipping across the water. But we both made serious progress today and were babbling about our progress, complete with arm gestures, circles and arrows.

Chan has determined she needs a full set of Axis stuff. Today's success might push their combined gear bill into five figures.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: flkiter on August 30, 2019, 10:23:08 PM
Pono, you need a shorter masts for sure. I have the 68 cm for normal riding and then the 45 cm for shallow breaks. Wasn't sure if the 45 cm would be too short but I can still pump it a bit, just not as easily to pump as the longer mast and I have to do a bunch more little pumps to equal one or two pumps from the longer mast.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 31, 2019, 03:21:19 AM
Bill, Iím surprised you havenít cut and retapped that mast already.  ;D
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 31, 2019, 03:34:07 AM
OK, I finally got a session on this Axis kit...and it's love.  What a difference.  3 hour session and I didn't want to quit.  So freaking fun.

So, how do I shim these adapters on?  Dwight, did you do a "U" with your cut beer can or something else?

U didnít work for me. I cut pieces for each side. Put them in the base. Made them tall and sticking out. Slid mast in and hammered. Trimmed excess aluminum sticking out with carpet knife. I think my Axis only needed aluminum one side. My Slingshot needed it both sides.

When I did this trick to my Slingshot base, one aluminum piece slid down and under the mast, but still smashed flat. I had a little aluminum blocking the bolt hole. But no worries because the aluminum is like paper. Stuck the knife in the bolt hole and dug the aluminum blockage out.

Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on August 31, 2019, 03:35:31 AM
Axis 1020, Standard Fuselage, 500 tail, 68 Mast.  I spent the first half hour mostly surface bound and feeling very tentative but over the course of the next hours I started to relax into it and trust what it wanted to do.  The first thing that I noticed is the dramatic lessening of drag.  Even when surface bound this feels so sleek.  It picks up surface speed really well.  The increase in lift is very evident over the Maliko 200 and at at first this felt like it would be too much.  But that was thinking about it from my old foil perspective where a lot of lift = scary shit happening.  The Axis setup lifts so smoothly and leveling off is much more of an unconscious deal than a dramatic requirement.  The best part is that it feels like this foil increases the size of your dance-floor.  Minor missteps are not catastrophes.  That takes some getting used to but I love it.  I am slowly getting over my Post Aggressive Foil Syndrome. 

We did place another Axis order last night with a third wing for Chan (an 820 to add to the 920 and 1020) as well as enough kit to make three wing, fuselage, stabilizer steps that can stay assembled.  Those travel really nicely.  We keep masts on the boards so we will usually be two screws away from ready.  Bye, bye mallet. 

Bill and I had our first foiling pass-by on opposite tacks.  That must be a good sign.  We were both yelling something into the wind.  I think Bill was screaming, "Ipswich Watermelon" and I'm pretty sure I was saying, "I'm happy".
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 31, 2019, 06:29:41 AM
Bill, Iím surprised you havenít cut and retapped that mast already.  ;D

I thought of it, but decided it might be useful someday.

Admin--It was indeed "Ipswich Watermelon?" But it was a question. And I thought you said "I'm sappy" which didn't seem to merit further comment.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on August 31, 2019, 09:27:33 AM
Found some more video from the first day with the 5m and Axis. You can see how easy it pumped back into the air.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B11boWfHpY0/?igshid=13j0m7irbms8r
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on August 31, 2019, 09:08:55 PM
You can imagine what I have to do at 235 pounds to get up with a four-meter. And why I hate your guts right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB1a49TqWQ8
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Hilly on September 01, 2019, 12:36:39 AM
You can imagine what I have to do at 235 pounds to get up with a four-meter. And why I hate your guts right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB1a49TqWQ8
I have the 4m and at 105kg with the Armstrong 2400 it gets up super easy.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on September 01, 2019, 02:24:48 AM
At this point I should introduce the BDF (Babcock Drag Factor).  It is a multiplier that should be applied to any undamaged product  in relation to that same product being owned and used by Bill.  On his Axis Foils I am setting the BDF at 1.5 to account for the fact that it has flown from his truck bed at highway speed and is now covered in silver tape which he casually smooths back down each time before launching.  One guy came up to him on the beach while we were rigging and (smiling) asked Bill, "Watcha got under there?" :).  His 4 meter Duotone looks now like a hobo's hanky.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 01, 2019, 04:08:22 AM
I already feel 5m is NOT too big. What was that B.S. about 4m being the only size we need.  >:(

Where are the 6 and 7 meter wings  >:(

I just want to float down wind and feel like 80 lb Banzai Grom
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on September 01, 2019, 06:06:56 AM
At this point I should introduce the BDF (Babcock Drag Factor).  It is a multiplier that should be applied to any undamaged product  in relation to that same product being owned and used by Bill.  On his Axis Foils I am setting the BDF at 1.5 to account for the fact that it has flown from his truck bed at highway speed and is now covered in silver tape which he casually smooths back down each time before launching.  One guy came up to him on the beach while we were rigging and (smiling) asked Bill, "Watcha got under there?" :).  His 4 meter Duotone looks now like a hobo's hanky.

Ridiculous overstatement. Two patches and a new bladder. My hankies look MUCH worse than that.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 05, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
That big (1020cm) Axis wing really is awesome for learning to wing ding. I have faster and better turning wings, but nothing this easy for getting the hang of wing dinging.

This is day 3. This day was less work on the arms. I guess my feel for the Duotone is improving enough, the strain is going down a lot.

We are having post hurricane off shore wind. So Iím doing some pretend wave riding in the Banana River. Wind is 12-17 mph. 5m wing.

https://youtu.be/wdsJMnvdJp4
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: PonoBill on September 05, 2019, 10:36:47 PM
Impressive. If that was an M280 you'd be bouncing up and down like a porpoise in light air like that. the axis foil is smooth. I like the GoFoil GL 240 almost as well, now that I've learned how to get it up and flying. The foot position is completely different from the 280 (duh).

I just got a shipment of Axis stuff. Three masts, a shorter fuselage, a new 1020 to relieve the one I have patched back together, and a 440 tail. I'm going to modify the old road rash 1020 for a bit more lift and stability, I'm going to make a 1080 gullwing out of it. Now, all we need is some wind.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on September 06, 2019, 12:20:58 AM
Impressive. If that was an M280 you'd be bouncing up and down like a porpoise in light air like that. the axis foil is smooth. I like the GoFoil GL 240 almost as well, now that I've learned how to get it up and flying. The foot position is completely different from the 280 (duh).

I just got a shipment of Axis stuff. Three masts, a shorter fuselage, a new 1020 to relieve the one I have patched back together, and a 440 tail. I'm going to modify the old road rash 1020 for a bit more lift and stability, I'm going to make a 1080 gullwing out of it. Now, all we need is some wind.

That is pretty interesting about your feet on the 240.  I am thinking that wing foilers may have different priorities than pumpers.
 I know that I sure want to pump as little as necessary.  On the Axis 1020 I didn't notice that any foot position change was required from the GoFoil 200.  The Axis was just much better mannered in that position.  Smooth lift with sustained cruise.  Nice!
 We have been on the East Coast for the last week and I am stoked to get back for a second day on this kit.  We have the other tail sizes arriving today as well.  We will see how those go on the smaller front wings.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: obxDave on September 24, 2019, 05:09:50 AM
Where are you ordering your Axis foils from?
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Admin on September 24, 2019, 05:21:07 AM
We went through the website.  They have been quick and awesome to work with.  https://axisfoils.com/collections/all-sup
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: Dwight (DW) on September 24, 2019, 05:57:50 AM
Also https://live2kite.com/

Same business. They distribute Axis.
Title: Re: Axis Foils
Post by: obxDave on September 24, 2019, 06:20:43 AM
Also https://live2kite.com/

Same business. They distribute Axis.

Thanks!