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The Foil Zone => Foil SUP => Topic started by: beached on July 27, 2019, 06:59:04 AM
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am considering buying a SUP foil board, but am unsure of proper sizing. specifically, does the foil under the SUP provide additional stability at stand-still, allowing you to go smaller in size? or is my current standard SUP board a good model for what i need in a SUP foil board?
it seems smaller is always better in foiling, but if using something like a wing kite, being able to stand on the thing with foil down is still as much a factor as with standard SUPing. there are a lot of 6-ish foot SUP foil boards out there, but i doubt i could stand on any of them with my 205 pounds.
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The foil adds stability so you can go shorter than the standard sup. If you get something between 6'-7' foot with 123 liters or more, you should be fine. The naish hover 125 looks like a great example shape for beginners and bigger guys.
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Not sure where you are, but I think this is a near new setup a guy I know is selling.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/spo/d/malibu-kingss-72-sup-foil-paddle/6943702703.html
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wow that is an awesome deal. if i was just starting out i would jump on that. Dave makes great stuff
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No way a 205lb beginner on a 125l board! Blue Planet Surf has a nice video on YOUTube about volume & skill level.
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123L at 205lbs (93kg) (30 L over or a ratio of 1.32) is doable. Beached has some surfing talent. I am 194lbs or so (88kg). the first time out on a wing and foil I thought the same thing as beached being on a 6'5" jimmy lewis flying V which was 115L. So for me that board was 27 L more or weight to float ratio of 1.3. I was worried about the stability and I was in 1 foot chop. It was honestly no problem.
Just found a video of the down under guys talking about this almost exact topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSoxdNYzQSM
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No way a 205lb beginner on a 125l board! Blue Planet Surf has a nice video on YOUTube about volume & skill level.
my current smallest non-foil SUP is 8'0" Smik with 118L, which is a bit challenging but doable, so 125L seems very doable. But obviously it's not just about volume. I'd like to go as short as possible, but in that 120L+ range. But a 6-ish foot board versus an 8 foot board will have front-to-back stability issues (while not up foiling). encouraging that ninja tuna found 6'5" no problem.
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A lot of companies are rolling out their 2020 lines right now, so if you can wait a month you might not be kicking yourself later.
I know Blue Planet is rolling out their new generation of foil boards that pack a lot more volume for the size. I believe the biggest size will be 6'2 x 28.5 x 5.8 x 142L. Other companies might have some surprises in store too.
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I am looking for a foilboard for my daughter to foilsup with paddle or wind wing.
She is about 60 kg /130 lbs.
Her normal sup is 7'3 x 24 about 70 liter...
My Jimmy Lewis 5'11 x28,5 104 liter is too big for her, but that is the smallest ...
I was thinking 5'5 x 24 70-75 liter , no custom builders nearby unfortunately.
Any suggestions?
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Blue Planet makes a 6'0 70L prone foilboard that might work.
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Blue Planet makes a 6'0 70L prone foilboard that might work.
Thanks , a lot cheaper than the Blue Planet Foil sups,
But it will probably be a lot more expensive in Europe.
I also wonder if the rails are much more vulnerable than the rails of the boards that are meant to be used with a paddle?
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I'd imagine, but the one I have in carbon is pretty solid. Rail taped and deck pad installed it might be fine. You'd have to contact them about international shipping.
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Go custom : Compact shape (as short as possible), I think a little recess deck is a good option, this is what I have on my Brawner 52foilco shaped in San Clemente (I actually do the file on shape3D for Brawner).
KT and Freedom have really nice boards as well.
For production board, looks like Kalamaperformance boards are really good, Naish have some new models as well for 2020.
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Blue Planet makes a 6'0 70L prone foilboard that might work.
Thanks , a lot cheaper than the Blue Planet Foil sups,
But it will probably be a lot more expensive in Europe.
I also wonder if the rails are much more vulnerable than the rails of the boards that are meant to be used with a paddle?
Hoi soepkip, take a look at www.takuma-concept.com, they already have very good foil boards in their program this season, are very innovative and not expensive, I think it's worth to waiting for the 2020 collection (available from August what I heard)
I have the 7´10" BX hybrid, looking for a 2020 5,5-6,5 footer Wingfoiler with ~120-145 liter.
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I am looking for a foilboard for my daughter to foilsup with paddle or wind wing.
She is about 60 kg /130 lbs.
Her normal sup is 7'3 x 24 about 70 liter...
My Jimmy Lewis 5'11 x28,5 104 liter is too big for her, but that is the smallest ...
I was thinking 5'5 x 24 70-75 liter , no custom builders nearby unfortunately.
Any suggestions?
+1 on custom or Kalama Performance.
2020 Kalama Performance boards have arrived in Europe with similar volume, looks like smaller more refined shape and a bit wider... looks like there is a 5'0x26.75x87L. https://www.kalamaperformance.fr/products?fbclid=IwAR09DTJ149-iuMoY-KjoYShb0yryVp8OtKZz8Kkyk4ZHNDfDo8i8a5OLuY8
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Nice looking board this Kalama but Suggested price: € 2,090 for a SUP the size of a prone board??
5'0 x 26 3/4" x 4 7/8 6,2 kg?
My JL 5'11 weighs less and is tough as nails
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Yeah...foil boards seem to be priced on what the market will bear as opposed to material costs, for sure. The Kalama boards historically were made in the same factory as the Jimmy Lewis but apparently Jimmy has a patented process that makes it durable and lighter.
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Nice looking board this Kalama but Suggested price: € 2,090 for a SUP the size of a prone board??
5'0 x 26 3/4" x 4 7/8 6,2 kg?
My JL 5'11 weighs less and is tough as nails
Yes, that is why I suggest to go custom, cheaper and good for the local business.
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2020 Kalama Performance boards have arrived in Europe with similar volume, looks like smaller more refined shape and a bit wider... looks like there is a 5'0x26.75x87L. https://www.kalamaperformance.fr/products?fbclid=IwAR09DTJ149-iuMoY-KjoYShb0yryVp8OtKZz8Kkyk4ZHNDfDo8i8a5OLuY8
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Interesting designs he’s got. I didn’t notice at first, but if you go to the bottom of the page, there’s a tow in SUP with parallel chines...looks like DW’s boards, just tiny and thin.
I have a custom Kalama 6’ x 28” (I weigh about 185 lbs) and it is really hard to paddle and catch waves. I can balance on it okay. Just paddling around, it feels like I’m dragging an anchor. ;D I hope to progress and perhaps be able to appreciate the design, but for now I am using a bigger board.
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2020 Kalama Performance boards have arrived in Europe with similar volume, looks like smaller more refined shape and a bit wider... looks like there is a 5'0x26.75x87L. https://www.kalamaperformance.fr/products?fbclid=IwAR09DTJ149-iuMoY-KjoYShb0yryVp8OtKZz8Kkyk4ZHNDfDo8i8a5OLuY8
Interesting designs he’s got. I didn’t notice at first, but if you go to the bottom of the page, there’s a tow in SUP with parallel chines...looks like DW’s boards, just tiny and thin.
I have a custom Kalama 6’ x 28” (I weigh about 185 lbs) and it is really hard to paddle and catch waves. I can balance on it okay. Just paddling around, it feels like I’m dragging an anchor. ;D I hope to progress and perhaps be able to appreciate the design, but for now I am using a bigger board.
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nice and I like the size 6'6 x 30" x 5 1/8 139 litres but at 8,8 kg is a bit heavy and the carbon is 1kg less but the size and litters are a bit lower than I like 6'2 x 29 1/2" x 5 1/8 129 litres 7,5 kg.
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Interesting designs he’s got. I didn’t notice at first, but if you go to the bottom of the page, there’s a tow in SUP with parallel chines...looks like DW’s boards, just tiny and thin.
I have a custom Kalama 6’ x 28” (I weigh about 185 lbs) and it is really hard to paddle and catch waves. I can balance on it okay. Just paddling around, it feels like I’m dragging an anchor. ;D I hope to progress and perhaps be able to appreciate the design, but for now I am using a bigger board.
I weigh 185lbs too and downsized from the 7'4x30x105L Hypernut to the production 6'x28x115L Kalama and love it! Whereas before I needed waves with some power to get enough lift, with the kick-tail and smaller size, lift is no issue. Definitely have to position right and weight/unweight the board to get into the waves more than on the longer board. Quite interesting that the new sizes are much smaller--e.g. the equivalent 2020 model would be the 5'8 but it is actually wider (which I am not sure is necessary) but the more refined shape looks sweet!
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I weigh 185lbs too and downsized from the 7'4x30x105L Hypernut to the production 6'x28x115L Kalama and love it! Whereas before I needed waves with some power to get enough lift, with the kick-tail and smaller size, lift is no issue. Definitely have to position right and weight/unweight the board to get into the waves more than on the longer board. Quite interesting that the new sizes are much smaller--e.g. the equivalent 2020 model would be the 5'8 but it is actually wider (which I am not sure is necessary) but the more refined shape looks sweet!
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To get lift we need some speed over the wing - are you saying you can get better lift from the up/down motion than the forward paddling speed of the 7'4? Is this with the same wing? Could it be that release is better on Kalama (rails are designed to release as opposed to 7'4 where rails are designed to bite). I'm about to design a new board and I know from past experience, w/surf-kite that we all went too short searching for the holy grail. My gut tells me we should be somewhere between 6-7ft for a SUP, but I'm keen to learn more about ease of launch with shorter boards.
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I weigh 185lbs too and downsized from the 7'4x30x105L Hypernut to the production 6'x28x115L Kalama and love it!
can you stand/balance comfortably on that Kalama at your weight without being up on the foil? i'm just about 20 lbs heavier, and am wondering about my lower limit.
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@Beached:
Yes. For what it is worth, with the mast under me I find the Kalama to be just as stable as the Hypernut when not on foil. In fact, after getting on the 6'0, I felt like standing stability-wise I could have went down to the 5'6. (Controlling lift and flying probably a different story.) That said, as background, I tend to like my surf-SUPs to float at water level versus higher in the water like some of my friends do so even the 115L felt a little more corky to me than the 105L. Oh and to your original question, I am not sure how it would have been trying to start out on a 6'0 or smaller board...I did have a friend that is new starting on the 6'11 Flying V and don't think he needed to go any longer to get into waves.
@PeterP
I am still progressing as a foiler (somewhere on day 60-70 with many of those days being crappy conditions/days that might not even count), but what I have found is that the 7'4 Hypernut gave me more glide to get into the waves without being positioned just right but the 6'0 is way easier to pop up onto foil once in the waves. The 7'4 had enough lift if the waves had enough power or were big enough but even with the M200 wing when it was weak was hard to get up flying. Personally, I think it not just the shorter size but the bottom shape--e.g. the kicktail and chined rails makes a huge difference in the release.