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Title: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: Wetstuff on July 11, 2019, 06:33:14 AM
I qualified for a Maryland Medical Card for lumbar issues.  Frankly, have not found it to be of any specific benefit. I am not attracted to 'highs' so I do not drink or toke to speak of. (long ago, I left the Army both a heavy user of cigarettes and alcohol - it took time to shake that!)

But...  I can attest to the rather quick results from using a 50/50 salve on recently developed, chronic osteoarthritis in my left shoulder.  My grandson played water polo in CA with a young guy who was a swimmer in the Brazil Olympics.  He relayed this fellow used the same salve for pains I gather developed after long workouts.

I cannot tell you the duration, because I use it before I go to sleep, but the difference is noticeable very quickly.  My pain is tolerable but annoying.  I may also use it before I paddle because pain is really annoying when you are needing to relax standing on a board. The typical Neproxin regimen is not doing it.

Jim

...one side note:  In CA you get 250mg in a 2oz jar ...in MD, they sell 100mg in the same size container.   I do not know the CA price, but it is about $30. here.  (I smell effects of 'competition' of the lack of...)
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: Tom on July 11, 2019, 07:02:02 AM
You may mean CBD, which is the non-high producing element in grass. THC is what gets you buzzed. I haven't used CBD but give it to my ageing dog in biscuit form and it is a miracle  cure.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: PonoBill on July 11, 2019, 07:26:58 AM
Actually, either is helpful. I find it odd that as a young man I tried to eliminate the scourge of Marijuana by burning it all--one bongful at a time--but now that it's legal in Oregon I have no interest in getting buzzed. I am, however, interested in using it to relieve some of the chronic pains I have. Unfortunately, I find even CBD makes me a little dopey.

For me, bedtime is the only time I use any hemp-derived stuff, and then it works well. No miracles, but useful. CBD calms down my shoulders, reduces the effects of cramps from getting a little too carried away with foiling or downwinders, and reduces my hip pain. THC gummy bears turn the lights out when I have trouble sleeping. I don't use them often, because a full day generally has me staggering around or drifting off at 9 pm, but if I can't get to sleep, one gummy bear flicks the switch and I get a solid eight hours--and wake up with a bladder that's about to burst.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: surfercook on July 11, 2019, 07:42:16 AM
Funny this post should pop up today. I just received a small vial of CBD which can be Vaped or taken orally. The company is called hemplucid and was recommended to me by a surfing buddy. I loaded an empty Vape cartridge with it and unfortunately the pen overheated and I got this huge hit of CBD which pretty much put me over the top with a buzz. I'm going to try and ingest it at next time because the pen overheated and I'm pretty sure the battery is fried.
What is the best way to ingest orally?  I tasted a little bit of it and it kind of has a hashish flavor
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: PonoBill on July 11, 2019, 08:22:15 AM
Put it under your tongue and let it disperse.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: eastbound on July 11, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
i get plenty of cbd, in connection with all the thc i enjoy.............

Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: surfinJ on July 11, 2019, 10:35:12 AM
Vaping and smoking is to get high.  You can not get high from CBD cannabis.  Taken orally in oil form a few drops at a time is the route for the medical benefits. The number of drops is up to ten or so a day. Maybe start with a few drops a few times a day or a higher dose before sleeping.

A couple of drops of pure Indica oil before bed would work wonders for pain relief and sleep quality, but that is than a THC strain so check your state laws. 
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: stoneaxe on July 11, 2019, 01:28:41 PM
I have no idea what you guys are talking about..... ::)

I quit (for the most part) smoking weed when my oldest was a baby. Fast forward to 2004 with headaches and vertigo caused by my little friend growing in my head. Suffered for a long time while trying a host of Rx's to combat it. Friggin cure was worse than the disease. Then I remembered how weed had made bad sunburn pain disappear on our honeymoon long long ago. Couldn't believe how it turned off the headache like I flipped a switch. It doesn't help with the vertigo but it relieves the nausea that accompanies it. So glad it's legal here now. No Rx's for pain. I vape it and make a tea. Vaping provides quick relief and the tea keeps the pain away for hours.

I'm going to press a bunch of this for oil and make some edibles as well.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: goodfornothin on July 11, 2019, 01:43:26 PM
Hey wetsuf,  i PM'd you a few times but never reached you.  If you still need some help or questions please pm me again.  im happy to help

"Vaping and smoking is to get high."   not always true when looking for therapeutic help.   Vaping THCA , THCV and CBD and CBG are fantastic ways to strengthen your lungs and circulatory system.  It is the preferred route fighting cancer as well.   

look at the synergistic terpenes and oils they are adding to your cremes.   The amount of CBD is important, but anything over 100mg is going to be supportive, as long as its a true 100mg of cbd.  Most companies will list 100mg of cbd but in truth its 100mg of hemp oil that will have at most 25% CBD, industry standard on hemp derived co2 extractions is more like 15%.

For example, the product I make has 100mg of cbd, but out of the 30grams in the bottle 55% of total weight are several pure organic Essential oils.  THe carriers and the therapeutic advantages of the essential oils is the bigger goal to chase.  Cbd is really only there for homeostsasis, or a gatekeeper if you will.  the endocannabinoid system that all mammals have regulates the uptake of nutrients in our cells.  Just about every cell and function supporting that cell has cannabinoid receptors.  the receptors act as gates.  Once hte gate is open it allows the cell to reduce inflammation, in that it can dump the waste and excrete into our lymphs.  Once the gates have been open and the cell has self healed itself then the cbd stops working as well.  This is why its so important to have the terpenes at hand to actively reduce the swelling.   

Another biggy is the power of THCa to reduce scar tissue.   my suggestion is to take fresh cut cannabis and soak it in dmso.     take the extract and add it to organic cane alcohol (190proof), then add camphor, black pepper, ginger and basil essential oils.   that will work the best.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: goodfornothin on July 11, 2019, 01:47:14 PM
Stoneaxe,   when you start trimming up your beauty there make sure to save them.  get a proper auger juicer and juice the leaves and small buds.  The body will respond the fastes and healthiest via cannabinoids in there acid form (wet)

my last suggestion is to save the stalks and the root ball when you are ready to hang.  get 190 proof organic alcohol and soak the roots in a dark cold area for 1-3 months.   Id get 5 gallons.  you can use that alcohol as your all around healing elixir.  far more effective than tylenol, advil, motrin or steroids.  it will reverse scar tissue and inflammation in short order.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: eastbound on July 11, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
nuttin!

nice to hear from you

hope youre doing well
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: stoneaxe on July 11, 2019, 06:15:10 PM
Thanks for the tips. I've been using the leaves as I prune and thin the plant for both vaping and making tea. I vape them raw off the plant at 290 degs and then save them to use in tea. I usually drink a cup before bed. I wish I didn't have to rely on anything but life would be pretty miserable without it.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: Wetstuff on July 12, 2019, 06:57:32 AM
Thanks for the info guys...  Even tho' I am inching closer to my expiration date, I have had little experience with THC. (I learned some watching High Maintenance on HBO)  I pretty much followed Bill - a night user 'till I discovered this shoulder use.  I am headed over to the beach after low tide and will supplement my Naproxen with a rub.  I had thought about using it to 'calm down' for that first half hour in the water when I am all twitchy and stiff...  Naaa. 

Thanks, 'nuthin.  Most of that is waaay too complicated for me, but most of the 2oz jars they sell - I believe (it is not with me) contains only 100mg total of THC/CBD.  I'd have to rub the whole $30. worth, no?!  (a Val's Organics tincture was 250mg. per 2oz.)

Bill,  You may not have 'old man's leg cramps' at night, but both my primary and cardiologist said: 400mg, one each morning/night shuts down the cramping (for the most part) and help with cardio rhythms*.  Before that, I would get 'racked' with calf and thigh lock-ups nobody could sleep thru.

Jim

*AliveCor has just released their 6-lead ECG. (inbound)  I found even the single lead really useful - better than a Holter Monitor.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: PonoBill on July 12, 2019, 07:29:24 AM
I do indeed have geezer cramps, but mine are mostly from DVI, deep vein insufficiency, which is an expansion of leg veins that reduces the effectiveness of the one-way valves. Part genetics, part heavy dude. Compression socks mostly eliminate it (and dramatically reveals my fashion sense), doing a better job of hydrating helps with the rest, and taking some magnesium cleans up the last bit. All recommended by my vein doc who is a straight shooter and a fine doc. If I behave, I don't get cramps, if I don't...

400 mg of what?

Wing foiling is cranking up the pressure on my legs. Hopefully, when I get better at it (low bar) it will get easier, but right now a two-hour session leaves my knees, hips, and thighs aching. It clears up quickly and hasn't seemed to have led to night cramps, but the sample size is small and I'm sure I haven't paid all the dues that geezers pay for trying new things.

I took my fat-tire eBike up to post canyon yesterday after foiling and the continuous but moderate exercise made my legs feel better. So much so that I left the truck at the shop and rode the bike home. I might have discovered yet another "natural" remedy for geezer legs. Now I just need to avoid smashing up my knee like Julie Schrayer did. I had a bit of a close call when the front wheel washed out on one of the swoopy banked turns, but the bike recovered. Wasn't me--my reaction time was pitiful. The only "skill" I added was not grabbing the brakes, which was mostly because the incident was over before I thought of it.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: yugi on July 12, 2019, 12:51:45 PM
^ good skill to have
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: Wetstuff on July 12, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
Sorry, Bill.  Magnesium.  These cramps have only come on in the last couple of years; my primary seems to think nobody in the 1800s ever got these.  Odd, singular muscle or small groups going into radical tension (only during sleep), requiring you get up and pull the sucker out, but that tends to do it...  MAG at around midnight seems to let me sleep 'till about 6 when other c'hit says; 'Get up azzhole!'.

__________________

Report from the frontlines: at 11:05 am I left the, well named, Hi Tide Dispensary in West Ocean City with some 'balm'**.  I had a choice of this or another that was packed with 300mg of THC ...but no CBD?  I got nervous about no CBD.  (maybe you can enlighten GFN) 20min later I had rubbed some on my 'spiking' shoulder and true to last time, the level and duration of flares were suppressed quite quickly.* 

I spent about 2hrs in the water beginning to notice spikes but they were tolerable.  Hr. 3 - I am back to my shop ...applied a second time, and again, noticeable relief very quickly.  I like this c'hit!

I only used a bit at the end of my finger...  Unlike tablets, I do not know how to dose this?

Jim

*2 x 220mg Neproxin at ~8 am did not dampen this shoulder pain. (may have helped with the back)

**$45 and a 10% 'locals' discount. (I get 15% as ex-GI at my local dispenser).  Interestingly, the state stupidly does not collect sales taxes according to the sales slip?!


Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: PonoBill on July 12, 2019, 05:27:34 PM
As I said, I'm taking Magnesium too, but I throttled back to 200 mg at night. Seems to do the trick without reworking my digestive system. The infamous stool softener "Milk of Magnesia" is Magnesium. If you tolerate more it might be OK, but not for me.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: Wetstuff on July 13, 2019, 11:33:02 AM
Ya, Bill, no squitters here, but maybe I'll try that  ...but then, my Cardio says 400.  (and it's cheap as dirt).  Cheers.

Jim
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: Wetstuff on July 30, 2019, 08:49:23 AM
Turns out, it was tendonitis of the Short Head Tendon.  My primary, playing the part of a Syrian interrogator, was able to light a fire in my shoulder easily.  His Rx was ~800mg of Ibuprofin daily and a Cortiszone shot if it persists. Conducting a 'study of one', I am nixing the Ibuprofin and limiting myself to THC salve. To refine it, I am not using any mixed with CBD.  One of the creams I have is to make edibles; meaning; 'get you high', but it has none of these effects applied to the skin.

So far, in a roughly two week period (shudda wrote it down...) I apply an unknown amount - some on the tip of a finger - about 3X daily.  It has not been a 'cure', but the pain drops off quicker than the memory of aspirin or ibuprofen's effects on other pain. The duration seems to be a few hours, and, as expected, there is likely some self-healing going on. (This is the first tendon issue I knew I had, so I do not know what to expect.) Ibuprofin is quite a bit less expensive and, obviously, available to everyone. 

...And, I tried something else that seems to work:  I got into Poison Ivy over the weekend (the entire watery edge of my marsh has it) and the same sort of direct application suppresses itching for a similar period as the shouler for the four days I have been using it.

Jim

Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: eastbound on July 30, 2019, 09:39:02 AM
thanks for guinea pigging for us, jim

much as my hip has mechanical issues, next time it nags me i may try rubbing some of my colorado-bought goop into the hip area for a few days

if it keeps the knife away, ill be happy

reminds me--gotta call the hernia surgeon---ultrasound sees minor inguinal hernia---relieved it's not some growth or some shit--PCP says likely no need to knife me---we'll see what the guy with the knife says

i shd prolly start a thread--bet a lot of us oldsters have been down the hernia road

good luck with the shoulder wet

Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: Wetstuff on July 31, 2019, 06:14:48 AM
EB,  Hernia repair is a cakewalk.  I've had two, one in the Army, and still feel-it occasionally.  They put mesh in for the last one. There are some critical nerves in the area, but this is such a common procedure - you don't need to go to Mayo or Hopkins for it. (just find an OR nurse in your area and ask who has good hands)

Jim

BTW:  Rub-a-weed on Poison Ivy is a bust.  I applied it while indoors: temp and humidity low.  Stand outside in 90+f/60% for an hour and you begin to panic. PI is very heat-sensitive!
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: eastbound on July 31, 2019, 10:28:34 AM
good call---the OR nurses know who's who.....

no panic as guy reco'ed by my concierge pcp is booked til late september!

i dont want to mess with it til after our fall storm season anyway
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: RideTheGlide on July 31, 2019, 11:15:53 AM
thanks for guinea pigging for us, jim

much as my hip has mechanical issues, next time it nags me i may try rubbing some of my colorado-bought goop into the hip area for a few days

if it keeps the knife away, ill be happy

reminds me--gotta call the hernia surgeon---ultrasound sees minor inguinal hernia---relieved it's not some growth or some shit--PCP says likely no need to knife me---we'll see what the guy with the knife says

i shd prolly start a thread--bet a lot of us oldsters have been down the hernia road

good luck with the shoulder wet

Everyone without MD behind their name thinks I have one. Just a little under the breastbone and slightly to my left I have a bulge. Doctors (more than one poked it around) say it is a fatty deposit that can be removed but poses no problem. I probably had it for several years and didn't see it until I lost all the weight, which I have now kept off about 18 months.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: goodfornothin on July 31, 2019, 08:20:39 PM
hey EB, I just got a fricken umbilical hernia on Friday.  Ive been out for over year, just starting to swim again and now this.  Fuck me.  I haven't surfed since June of 2018. 
  I had it ultrasounded and it is pretty mild, just a bit of fat popped out from the upper fascia, so no intestinal involvement.  I was told no surgery at this point.   I found an interesting Doc making a strong healing Poultice.  I talked to him for a bit today and he has had a lot of success.  As with anything natural it takes time, so most people want the quicker fix.  Unfortunately my body just doesn't like anything modern medicine so I have to stick to natural.  im going to use the poultice and stuff a bunch of weed in my belly button;)

https://www.naeturalhealthinformation.com/#_ga=2.20707697.819320998.1564454474-1614970197.1564453921



what sucks is Im 50, and Ive had more things wrong with me in the last 10 years than this entire board combined, haha  Just the last year, I was out, bed ridden for 4 months with a staph infection in my shin. I picked it up in the ocean.  I almost lost my leg.  I had gangrene into my bone.  The day it finally closed up a swell came through and I went out, cramped up, almost drowned in triple overhead surf, then got another staff infection in the other shin.  lucky I was only out for 2 months with that.   As I was recovering from that, unbeknownst to me my body decided to stop absorbing my thyroid medicine (I had thyroid cancer and it got cut out and thrown in the trash) and I ended up in the ER in a coma due to hormones crashing along with non traumatic rhapodomyolosis.  that was awesome.  that put me out for about 3 months.  everytime i walked anywhere i turned into a giant cramp and pissing blood.  I had started a hard cleanse to try and chelate some of the heavy meds i had to take and start chasing the mold toxicity, candida, parasites and heavy metals im infestated with.  I chelated so awesomely that I released several viruses lodged in my liver and they attacked my nervous system, muscles and tendons.  I basically had gout like flare up in both my legs from my butt to my toes.  It was crucifying, white light pain for 1 month straight.  I didnt sleep for almost a week.  My dad had to come up and take care of me for three months.  unfortunately the weed didnt do shit for the pain.  I had to learn some breathing techniques and some strong self talk.    and now, just today, my palms starting turning red and my face is flushing, so more blood work and chasing cancer or hormones again, fun times.
Title: Re: Shoulder pain and THC
Post by: eastbound on August 01, 2019, 04:57:10 AM
hang in there nuttin---med issues can be overwhelming and then a bit of time later, youre back to normal, glad you fought hard to get thru

i will look into the poultice--thx

stay tough--obviously youve had to be very tough to date--stay tough--you will more than likely normalize--just keep the fight

and good luck--luck counts too!