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Title: Question for paint experts
Post by: jarvissup on June 20, 2019, 07:40:16 AM
I ordered a custom board and I selected green as the color, and even though I supplied a picture of a board they had produced as a sample of what I wanted, it showed up yellow. Yellow and a half inch narrower, but that is another story.
   So, my question is: What color might cover/react best when sprayed lightly over the yellow to best hide the yellow? Thanks in advance, paint is not my strong suit.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: Wetstuff on June 20, 2019, 07:47:01 AM
Jarvis,  Poor you, that's a feeling that is not going away anytime soon.   ...got a buddy who shoots cars?  You are certainly not going to be happy with a rattle-can finish.  Two Naish boards had me tired of yellow really fast.  In contrast, it must be a narcotic to DJ in OZ. 

...how about a local surfboard shaper - his laminator should be of help, no?

Jim
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: TallDude on June 20, 2019, 08:31:01 AM
The good thing is it's just about ready for paint. I'd mask off the Foot label so it stays original, mask the fin boxes, and sand the whole board so it's ready to paint. Go to an automotive paint store, and find the paint color you want. You won't need much. Buy a can of primer suitable for fiberglass parts and compatible with the paint you want. The paint store will know this. Buy a disposable mask. Then just shoot it on..... Oh ya that's another task that requires a compressor and a cap sprayer. Get the pressure right and tip setting right and spray in to directions. It goes fast.  :-[

You can do it with spray cans. MTN 94 paints with their top coat.. The tips spray like a professional cap sprayer. They have a variety of tips to use.  https://www.sprayplanet.com/collections/mtn-94-spray-paint. Good shit.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: Bean on June 20, 2019, 08:53:38 AM
Jarvis, I ordered a green custum board back in 2012 and it came to me in orange!  At first I was pissed, but today it's one of my favorite boards, it rides great and it just looks cool. 

I had a '72 240Z in that same yellow color, so I'm biased, but I actually dig it! 

Good luck with it no matter what you decide.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: PonoBill on June 20, 2019, 09:10:45 AM
That's a really thin layer of paint, which means your board is pretty light. If you add a good covering coat, which will be at least two coats really, you'll add a couple of pounds--so you can have a different color. First decide if that's what you want to do, and then try to make the paint as light as possible.

I like pretty boards, but they are decorative wallhangers. Not the ones I use. I could care less what color a good surfing board is. And on most of my boards I'd put up with shitcrinkle brown if it meant the board was two pounds lighter.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: Badger on June 20, 2019, 09:30:18 AM
It's a big risk if you do it yourself. I've painted a couple of boards. Tried both spray cans and roll & tip method using two part epoxy paint.  Sanded and prepped the boards perfectly only to have the paint not stick. What an ugly mess.

Bill is right. Paint adds a lot of weight.

I'm the same as you. Having a board the wrong color really bothers me, but a botched up paint job is worse.

I hope they gave you a nice discount on the board for their screw up.

.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: dietlin on June 20, 2019, 09:41:35 AM
Sorry to hear you got the wrong color.  Definitely a bummer to unwrap a custom and find out it's not exactly what you ordered.

I've always liked the looks of Foote's outlines. particularly the Rocket, but I thought the 8'2 was too small and the 8'10 too large. 

What is this yellow, that was supposed to be green, board?  Is that carbon underneath the yellow paint?  Ride report, more pics?  Or does that need to wait until the paint issue is resolved? 
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: TallDude on June 20, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
How about a green perimeter pinstripe or green stringer stripe or stripes. Then deck pad and go surf.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: burchas on June 20, 2019, 10:35:45 AM
...it showed up yellow. Yellow and a half inch narrower...

Itís beautiful! Iíll take it as is just in case youíre tired looking at it and want
A fresh start. Color makes a big difference and I happen to be addicted to yellow.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: jarvissup on June 20, 2019, 11:19:37 AM
Burchas, you can have it if you want it. Dietlin, yes, the Rocket is a great shape. The 8'2" is my favorite board, but in a wetsuit, and/or wind/chop it's a bit of work. TallDude, thanks for the link and recommendation. Pono, it is a light board, and priced accordingly, but I sold all of my yellow surfboards after the bad shark summer a few years ago.
    I'm not totally paranoid, but that summer there were 11 bites along our coast of NC, and we've had 3 this spring already. The color is not attractive to me, but I also like to do everything I can to mitigate any shark curiosity. I know, I know, here comes the smarty pants quotes;"you're more likely to get struck by lightening" etc etc, but those surveys are taken for the general populace. I know you're not likely to have a shark encounter if you're playing X-box in your basement. However, if you're in the water everyday in a place where shark attacks are happening, why not do everything you can to mitigate the possibility.
     I was, among other things, a military diver a few years back. We spent a lot of time both surface swimming and subsurface swimming at night, in the same coastal waters, and none of us was ever attacked. That being said, I still want to reduce my odds. Mick Fanning and a lot of scientists agree(see link)
http://news.outdoortechnology.com/2015/10/05/mick-fanning-ditched-his-yum-yum-yellow-boards-and-you-should-too/
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: Dusk Patrol on June 20, 2019, 12:11:25 PM
I'm a firm believer in going with the flow where the consequences really don't matter much.... but that's not the case here.  I don't know your conversations with Foote on this issue, but I would suspect that it would not be a big deal for a manufacturer, even a small one, to take the board back, shipping cost included, and provide you with what you ordered. Especially with the width differential mistake thrown in the mix. I can't imagine any one would have any hard feelings. Even if initially thought you could live with it and told him so, it's reasonable for you to tell him that's not how reality is panning out. 

Foote can put the old one in a corner till Burchas calls for a yellow one.  Hell, maybe there's another custom Foote customer out there right now pissed off because his board is green and a half inch too wide... 

OK I just read that article. I have a white board on order that I think I'll change to blue.

"United States Office of Naval Research funded a massive program to research shark sensory biology. One of their findings was that the color of an object floating in the water was strongly correlated to the likelihood that a shark would approach and interact with the object. Highly reflective silver and white objects had a tendency to attract bull sharks and tiger sharks, whereas black and blue objects didn’t."
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: Bean on June 20, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
Maybe a vinyl board wrap

http://www.surfboardskinz.com
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: jarvissup on June 20, 2019, 02:30:45 PM
Dusk,
   I told Bill Foote about the discrepancies, his answer was "ride it, you'll love it". I'm not sure what answer I wanted to hear, but that wasn't it. I sent him another response about perhaps making it right somehow, and that when you order a custom, you expect to get the dimensions you ordered etc, and he got a bit cross at me, and isn't going to do anything and has stopped communicating. So, I guess I'm off his "good guy" list. I've spent north of $7000 with him in custom boards, so I guess I thought I'd have earned some customer service, but sadly, that's not the case. Too bad, I think his Rocket is the best performance shape I've ever ridden.
   
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: Dusk Patrol on June 20, 2019, 03:22:19 PM
Wow... What you describe is almost incomprehensible in terms of customer service. Not to mention short sighted on his part.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: burchas on June 20, 2019, 06:00:37 PM
Such a ďcustomer serviceĒ would put anyone on my shit list, no matter how great of
Shaper. Remind me the time I was told I have 1st world issues in response to
My bitching about wrong fin placement and fucked up deck pad application.

When you pay 1st world prices you expect world class service. Youíd think that
With such rough time for the industry when shops going down left and right there
Will be a better sense urgency.

I feel your pain Jarvissup, even though itís a gorgeous color ;D
Send me the specs of the board, if thatís in my range Iíll be happy to
To take this problem off your hands.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: PonoBill on June 20, 2019, 08:45:01 PM
Like most shapers whose business has been destroyed by cheap Chinese boards, Bill is not in any position to be eating his mistakes. "Faking a living" is putting it mildly. You're confusing building custom boards with something that actually yields a profit margin commensurate with the talent and experience it takes to be really good at it. Yeah, I have no problem with believing Bill screwed this up. He writes shit down on some scummy piece of paper and then uses the paper to clean a brush. Not a businessman. I looked for ways to help him, not going to happen. Great craftsman, builds the most amazing boards I've ever owned, couldn't market water in the desert. You don't hire him for customer service, you hire him because he builds fantastic boards.

All my surfboards and most of my downwind boards are yellow with a red stripe. Suicidal. Mick Fanning might paint all his boards purple because of a shark "attack" that didn't so much as pop a pimple. Good for him. Some dickhead nearly ran me over in a crosswalk in Hood River yesterday. I should probably change all my clothing to dayglo pink. Makes more sense than "science" based on data so sparse that you could conclude painting yourself with fresh blood is the safest course.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: jarvissup on June 21, 2019, 03:37:08 AM
Pono,
Yup, Bill is a great shaper, and I feel badly about the way things went. He is an artist, and one of the best. Bill deserves respect, but so do I. The whole story is worse, but I'd rather not get into it. This is the third board that I received that wasn't what I wanted, and the first time I asked for action from him. However, unlike you, I am not a multi millionaire, the amount of money I spend on these boards is not insignificant to me.
      If it were simply a color mistake I could swallow it, but a color mistake and 1/2" narrower than the board I ordered is a bigger problem. Especially when this board was supposed to be wider than the last board he made me, but now it's a  narrower.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: PonoBill on June 21, 2019, 07:15:02 AM
I get it, and obviously so do you. It would be nice if he were more organized, but there's a risk in working with a one man band. His production boards are, of course, exactly as listed, and they're very good, but he doesn't sell enough to justify a container so they are hard to get. And I'd rather have a custom anyway.

Mostly I'm responding to the customer service expectations. We have an inflated expectation if what a "manufacturer" can afford to do, mostly driven by companies that don't need to make a profit while they are growing rapidly and making mistakes frequently. When you're spending other people's money you can buy customers and keep people happy. That doesn't describe any aspect of Foote surfboards.

I'd be plenty grumpy if I didn't get what I specified. I realized pretty early that I was better off being loose in both what I asked for and what I expected. I've never seen him do anything even the tiniest bit sloppy. You might not get what you asked for, but it will be perfectly executed.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: burchas on June 21, 2019, 08:02:36 AM
I've never seen him do anything even the tiniest bit sloppy. You might not get what you asked for, but it will be perfectly executed.

Isnít Nelson laminating his boards Bill?
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: mrbig on June 21, 2019, 08:04:54 AM
Quattro..
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: TallDude on June 21, 2019, 08:25:24 AM
Some people get to a point in their careers where they acquire the "I don't give a shit anymore" mind set. A know a lot of shapers ( and tradesman) who have reached that point and life is a grind. Two put bullets through their heads, another moved away from the business completely. He had a exit plan. Breathing foam, resin, and paint fumes your whole career has consequences both mental and physical. My close friend is a career board sander. He probably sands 20 or more a day. He's only surfed a handful of times in the past maybe 10 years. Every time I see him, he's cover in sanding dust except for the ring around his mouth where his dust mask sat. He's nearing 60. How much longer can he do that?
I was a custom home builder and sensed the "I don't give a shit anymore coming" on so I changed careers. It was the best move of my life.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: pdxmike on June 21, 2019, 12:56:41 PM

You can do it with spray cans. MTN 94 paints with their top coat.. The tips spray like a professional cap sprayer. They have a variety of tips to use.  https://www.sprayplanet.com/collections/mtn-94-spray-paint (https://www.sprayplanet.com/collections/mtn-94-spray-paint). Good shit.
TallDude, thanks for that link.  That could be perfect for some things I've been needing to paint.  So even if jarvissup ends up not going that route, you just helped me out.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: PonoBill on June 21, 2019, 04:31:10 PM
I've never seen him do anything even the tiniest bit sloppy. You might not get what you asked for, but it will be perfectly executed.

Isnít Nelson laminating his boards Bill?

Sometimes, but that was mostly for the Maliko 14's I think. Some he does himself, some Dave Peterson does. Kind of like Jimmy--he can do it all, and does it really well, but he doesn't have much space to work anymore.
Title: Re: Question for paint experts
Post by: jarvissup on June 21, 2019, 06:12:08 PM
Quatro has been laminating his boards. They are very good, and can do custom sandwich, and custom, carbon sandwich.