Standup Zone Forum

General Category => Foil SUP => Topic started by: 805StandUp on June 14, 2019, 10:19:20 PM

Title: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on June 14, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
Anyone attend the Release Party at HiTech and have details on what was announced? 

I watched the following video:
https://www.facebook.com/Gofoils/videos/311186376438135/

Hard to tell but from the video am I spying:
* Same system but now fully modular
* Light IWA, Light M200
* High Aspect GL 180, 210, 240
* New Tail Wings including a Straight One

Any details?
 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: gzasinets on June 15, 2019, 07:52:25 AM
Thanks god - finally modular design. At least it will be more affordable for beginners. Canít wait for them to update their website with all the new stuff. Maybe older sets will be on sale  ;D
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: fatfish on June 15, 2019, 09:08:55 AM
hopefully they will fit the old fuselage
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supfoo on June 15, 2019, 05:16:05 PM
Will there be any new masts?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on June 16, 2019, 08:38:39 AM
Here is a longer video that Jason Hall posted to youtube (Mahalo!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdDmK5bIZ8g

Looks like new construction has same carbon construction, lighter core and high polish too.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on June 16, 2019, 09:30:44 AM
Looks like new construction has same carbon construction, lighter core and high polish too.
Ooohh...look how shiny. Purrty...although I just wish they'd leave 'em carbon or black, and call it good...light blue and red clash with my orange, and yellow boards.  :)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on June 16, 2019, 03:08:21 PM
good vid, thanks 805StandUp and I'm looking forward to those GL wings oneday.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on June 17, 2019, 07:46:26 AM
More information for those starved for anything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuDB1UZsO0I
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: southwesterly on June 17, 2019, 08:37:15 AM
More information for those starved for anything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuDB1UZsO0I



Hey that guy is wearing a "Captain Hook" around his wrist.

 Probably one of the most dangerous windsurfing inventions ever invented.

Are people using them to foil?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on June 17, 2019, 10:28:11 AM
Yeah. that's Giampaolo, he's crazy but extremely skilled. If he's wearing one you can bet there will be several other people being dragged around by their wrist shortly.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 12, 2019, 04:31:53 PM
Finally some details... thanks TJ at Big Winds...

https://www.facebook.com/BigWinds/videos/3189807647711226/
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: norcom on July 13, 2019, 09:50:59 PM
So is a mallet still required to install and remove the wings? Can new wings be adapted to old fuselages? Iíve adapted a wing between old fuselages, not too hard.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 14, 2019, 02:24:29 PM
So is a mallet still required to install and remove the wings? Can new wings be adapted to old fuselages? Iíve adapted a wing between old fuselages, not too hard.

I think the word is that the Gofoil 1.5 has the same design as the original they just manufacture to much tighter tolerances now so the short answer I believe is yes on the mallet and also the wings can be adapted to ol fuselages but may require some sanding, shimming...etc. 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 14, 2019, 02:25:09 PM
The interesting question to me are if those new tails are primarily for downwind or are they an improvement in the surf?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 14, 2019, 11:44:57 PM
mallet is still required but that is a GOOD thing...get that sucker on there SOLID!...you may need to do just a little sanding if the fit is too tight...most likely if anything just a bit of aluminum tape from home depot on the sides for a shim if the fit is too loose...

the new tails are for surf too...they are waaaaaaay faster than the stock tail...the pitch of the horizontal stabilizer can be changed by adding or removing a washer...one more or less washer will make a ton of difference :)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 16, 2019, 07:15:10 AM
mallet is still required but that is a GOOD thing...get that sucker on there SOLID!...you may need to do just a little sanding if the fit is too tight...most likely if anything just a bit of aluminum tape from home depot on the sides for a shim if the fit is too loose...

the new tails are for surf too...they are waaaaaaay faster than the stock tail...the pitch of the horizontal stabilizer can be changed by adding or removing a washer...one more or less washer will make a ton of difference :)

Thanks, Clint!  I will look forward to seeing your GL and new tail next time I see you in Ventura.  Have you tried it with the M200 or only the GL?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 16, 2019, 08:10:17 AM
haven't even looked at the M200 since i got the GL210....in fact after i rode the GL210 on maui just one time i lost all drive to surf with anything  else...totally spoiled....came back from maui rode the Maliko200 and said...."man this thing is SLOW"....went skateboarding for 2 weeks till i go the the GL210...then its On like DONKEY KONG! ;D...the production wings are supposed to be even better...faster...more turney...cant wait...cant wait....cant wait

do need to point out though that the GL210 is an advanced wing not for beginners learning to foil....way too fast....way too responsive....the Maliko200 is the best learning wing out there i think... so it does have a place
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 16, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
haven't even looked at the M200 since i got the GL210....in fact after i rode the GL210 on maui just one time i lost all drive to surf with anything  else...totally spoiled....came back from maui rode the Maliko200 and said...."man this thing is SLOW"....went skateboarding for 2 weeks till i go the the GL210...then its On like DONKEY KONG! ;D...the production wings are supposed to be even better...faster...more turney...cant wait...cant wait....cant wait

do need to point out though that the GL210 is an advanced wing not for beginners learning to foil....way too fast....way too responsive....the Maliko200 is the best learning wing out there i think... so it does have a place

 :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sounds amazing!  I am sticking with my IWA/M200 for now.  Ever since I downsized from my 7'4 surf-shape to 6'0 foil-specific shape, low energy lift is no longer a challenge.  IWA worked perfectly in the south swell yesterday.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 16, 2019, 10:49:43 AM
I'm curious about the "sizing" if you will with these new 180, 210, 240 wings in comparison to the original 170 (Iwa), M200, M280 ones.

In the video posted here, the GLs look to be about the same length (if not shorter) than the older versions, and obviously much narrower and flatter compared to the others, with the thickness difficult to tell but not looking to much different...at least from the angles the video allows to see them in.

So how is the 210 for instance, a "210", when it appears to be the same length as the M200 (36" when I measure mine), but much narrower and the same thickness? Where is this extra surface area on the 210 coming from, if it is indeed has the same (or even less) length as the M200 but narrower and the same thickness?

Also, is anyone able to compare the lift, and also maybe the "surfability" of these new wings compared to the old ones? I now Derek is surfing/turning the crap out of them, but I'm thinking that's also like me comparing the usability of a particular surfboard watching how Kelly Slater might ride it, and that that's somehow going to give me an idea if I'll be able to make the board do the same thing.

I heard through the grapevine that the new M210 is more line with the Iwa as far as actual lift goes, and was wondering if that holds true even though the "210" number would indicate that it would be more like the M200...but that's not what I'm hearing.

Any comparison thoughts and/or actual measurements anyone might be able to share by those who already have one would be greatly appreciated. My "go to" wing right now is the Iwa, and I was about to pull the trigger on the GL 180, but now holding off a bit until I get better idea of how the GLs actually compare to the older models in reality instead of just a number.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 16, 2019, 11:43:04 AM
ill get  some pics later today....BUT...

if your goto wing is the IWA....have you cut the tail yet?...i was sceptical at first then after i cut it....MAN this thing can MOOOOOOOVE!...
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Dwight (DW) on July 16, 2019, 02:46:23 PM

So how is the 210 for instance, a "210", when it appears to be the same length as the M200 (36" when I measure mine), but much narrower and the same thickness? Where is this extra surface area on the 210 coming from........



GoFoil numbers applied to wings are NOT areas. They are numbers Alex applied back in the beginning, that represent rider weights for each size. My guess...it reduced the speed at which competitors could rip him off, while still providing some guidance. Kinda clever actually.

This according a post on the Aussie forum. The poster said he learned this from a guy who is a partner in GoFoil.

Itís the best explanation Iíve heard....so Iím a believer
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on July 16, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
I'm curious about the "sizing" if you will with these new 180, 210, 240 wings in comparison to the original 170 (Iwa), M200, M280 ones.

In the video posted here, the GLs look to be about the same length (if not shorter) than the older versions, and obviously much narrower and flatter compared to the others, with the thickness difficult to tell but not looking to much different...at least from the angles the video allows to see them in.

So how is the 210 for instance, a "210", when it appears to be the same length as the M200 (36" when I measure mine), but much narrower and the same thickness? Where is this extra surface area on the 210 coming from, if it is indeed has the same (or even less) length as the M200 but narrower and the same thickness?

Also, is anyone able to compare the lift, and also maybe the "surfability" of these new wings compared to the old ones? I now Derek is surfing/turning the crap out of them, but I'm thinking that's also like me comparing the usability of a particular surfboard watching how Kelly Slater might ride it, and that that's somehow going to give me an idea if I'll be able to make the board do the same thing.

I heard through the grapevine that the new M210 is more line with the Iwa as far as actual lift goes, and was wondering if that holds true even though the "210" number would indicate that it would be more like the M200...but that's not what I'm hearing.

Any comparison thoughts and/or actual measurements anyone might be able to share by those who already have one would be greatly appreciated. My "go to" wing right now is the Iwa, and I was about to pull the trigger on the GL 180, but now holding off a bit until I get better idea of how the GLs actually compare to the older models in reality instead of just a number.

Thanks in advance.

I'm in the same situation as you SanoSlatchSup, I have the IWA & M200 with Maliko & Kai tails & I don't know what size GL front wing to get next to complement my current collection to surf and one day to DW.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 16, 2019, 05:01:21 PM


GoFoil numbers applied to wings are NOT areas. They are numbers Alex applied back in the beginning, that represent rider weights for each size. My guess...it reduced the speed at which competitors could rip him off, while still providing some guidance. Kinda clever actually.

This according a post on the Aussie forum. The poster said he learned this from a guy who is a partner in GoFoil.

Itís the best explanation Iíve heard....so Iím a believer

I read that post on Seabreeze but it has since been deleted!  It was actually a bit defensive/inflammatory in reaction to someone posting that GoFoil copied the GL from Signature so I understand why but it was removed but it was also very enlightening in discussing the factory and how they also manufacture a lot of other carbon sports products which was great.  The post also said that Go Foil had the first high-aspect wing in the M160 but no one could ride it, which left a lot of us that owned the M160 scratching our heads! 

That said, I do believe the number does roughly equate to rider weight though I suspect we would need to adjust based on conditions thus a lot of us using the IWA170 and M200 depending on swell size.  For me when I am ready I am personally going to consider the 180 for surf and think it would be right b/c it is between the two wings we currently own but mileage may vary for downwind conditions.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 16, 2019, 05:02:33 PM
<Somehow ended up with a duplicate post and can't delete it so just removed the text.>
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 16, 2019, 06:15:17 PM
ill get  some pics later today....BUT...

if your goto wing is the IWA....have you cut the tail yet?...i was sceptical at first then after i cut it....MAN this thing can MOOOOOOOVE!...
Not yet, I went to a different setup today just for the hell of it...Kai front and back, and it flew way better than I thought it would in the sized surf we had today (stuff that I'd normally ride the Iwa for sure). So my next sesh will be Iwa front, and Kai stab...maybe the best of both worlds?  8)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 16, 2019, 06:15:49 PM

So how is the 210 for instance, a "210", when it appears to be the same length as the M200 (36" when I measure mine), but much narrower and the same thickness? Where is this extra surface area on the 210 coming from........



GoFoil numbers applied to wings are NOT areas. They are numbers Alex applied back in the beginning, that represent rider weights for each size. My guess...it reduced the speed at which competitors could rip him off, while still providing some guidance. Kinda clever actually.

This according a post on the Aussie forum. The poster said he learned this from a guy who is a partner in GoFoil.

Itís the best explanation Iíve heard....so Iím a believer
Yeah, I don't know...because today I rode the Kai 120 for the first time in 2-3' surf, and had a blast with it...and I'm 70 lbs. heavier than that "120" "rider weight"....so I'm a doubter of that. Just saying...
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on July 18, 2019, 05:19:04 PM
So my next sesh will be Iwa front, and Kai stab...maybe the best of both worlds?  8)

Not so sure.  I cut my tail to 420mm which is about halfway between the stock Maliko tail and the Kai tail - and it worked perfectly.  I made a thread about it showing how to do it.  I personally wouldn't go any smaller than 420mm, in fact I'm thinking of cutting down my spare Maliko tail to 440mm just to see if that's the sweet spot.

That said, Beasho is riding IWA + KAI tail.

Generally, speed capability went way up and maneuverability went way up.  Game changer for both the IWA and the M200.  I can tell that things gets a little squirrelly in rotation - almost like you can skid out the back end a little.  That's why I think it might be on the small end of what works best.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 18, 2019, 11:48:17 PM
here ya go...Gofoil GL210 on the left....Gofoil Maliko200  on the right...tip.to tip the GL210 is about a  inch wider each end

(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48315832861_bb284fba92_z.jpg)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 18, 2019, 11:53:26 PM
front view ...head on...you can really see the difference...Gofoil Maliko200 on top....Gofoil  GL210 on bottom....way thinner and flatter..

(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48315831716_23f78c3e8a_z.jpg)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 18, 2019, 11:54:55 PM
rear view

(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48313932636_1435085098_z.jpg)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 19, 2019, 12:02:46 AM
tails are different too...Gofoil Maliko200  tail...
(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48315947777_c604b36455_z.jpg)
.
.
.
Gofoil Gl210  tail...
(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48315831336_dfa409a1ee_z.jpg)
.
.
.
.
(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48313926506_a821798a59_z.jpg)
.
.
.
you can also alter the pitch of the GL210 tail by adding or subtracting washers...
(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48314044497_749cd60b4d_z.jpg)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supunk on July 19, 2019, 01:09:16 AM
Hi steamroller. Could you post some pics of the underside of the GL wing? Would love to get an idea of the aero profile GoFoil are using. Thanks :)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: soepkip on July 19, 2019, 03:38:44 AM
And how big is he new tail compared to the M200 tail?
Pictures please...
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 19, 2019, 08:05:48 AM
Thanks for all of your great info there steamroller!! Now I guess an even more important question give the big differences between the two...how does the GL210 compare performance wise (lift, stability, turning, pumping...whatever else you like more or less about one vs the other) to the M200 and the Iwa if you've been able to compare all three?

Really appreciate you taking the time to help us all out here with your pictures, and thoughts in the new wings. Found out they ain't cheap, and suddenly my budget said, "Maybe one GL setup" instead of the "I'll just buy one of each" that I had thought I'd do previously. So narrowing things down to a better choice is way better than just the WAG is was thinking I'd have to give it, and hope for the best.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 19, 2019, 09:22:03 AM
... Found out they ain't cheap, and suddenly my budget said, "Maybe one GL setup" instead of the "I'll just buy one of each" that I had thought I'd do previously...

Can you share how much the new wings are, Sano?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on July 19, 2019, 04:43:48 PM
I borrowed a GL240 from Big Winds today. Trying to use it with my Duotone wing. I used it in my second session, after lunch. I was in the water this morning from 9 to 1:00 so I really had no business doing a second session, but I got my hands on the GL after lunch so I gave it a go. I think it would have been awesome with the 5M I borrowed for the first two hours of my session this morning, but I didn't have it. In the afternoon the wind was a little stronger, but my 4M wasn't enough given my current skill level to get up on the foil and stay there. I did a couple of little pop-up and stall thingies, but didn't have enough board speed to trim and go.

One thing for sure, the GL doesn't have anywhere near the drag of the M280. I was able to get going quite fast, just not quite enough. If I got the 280 going that fast I'd be up, so I'd say the lift is a bit less too. It felt rock-solid on the pop-ups. I mushed back into the water without any tipping and was able to sail out of it. That doesn't happen with the M280.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 19, 2019, 11:31:42 PM
... Found out they ain't cheap, and suddenly my budget said, "Maybe one GL setup" instead of the "I'll just buy one of each" that I had thought I'd do previously...

Can you share how much the new wings are, Sano?
I saw a price sheet that had the GL180 front wing w/cover listed at $750, the GL210 front wing w/cover for $800, and the 18N or 18W tail wing w/cover at $165 a piece. So at a minimum of $915, it's gonna be just one set for me, and why I want to make sure I get it right the first time.

Not really sure what I was expecting to pay for a set of wings, so not saying that's unreasonable, but with new set(s) of wings, a Wing Surfer, and an ebike all in the not too distant future "fun" budget...figured I better just go with one set, or even might just use the M200 I already have to start on the Wing with, and maybe leave the GLs out of the equation until later on down the road.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 19, 2019, 11:47:59 PM
So my next sesh will be Iwa front, and Kai stab...maybe the best of both worlds?  8)
Not so sure.  I cut my tail to 420mm which is about halfway between the stock Maliko tail and the Kai tail - and it worked perfectly.  I made a thread about it showing how to do it.  I personally wouldn't go any smaller than 420mm, in fact I'm thinking of cutting down my spare Maliko tail to 440mm just to see if that's the sweet spot.

That said, Beasho is riding IWA + KAI tail.

Generally, speed capability went way up and maneuverability went way up.  Game changer for both the IWA and the M200.  I can tell that things gets a little squirrelly in rotation - almost like you can skid out the back end a little.  That's why I think it might be on the small end of what works best.
Yep, didn't like the Kai tail w/ the Iwa front at all. No drive out of the turn, and I personally didn't find that it pumped any better than either the Kai/Kai, or Iwa/Maliko combos as they were originally designed and intended.

Just for the hell of it, I went with the Kai front w/ the Maliko stab today, and that was the worse of all of the combos I tried. Just way too squirrelly w/ the front of the board headed every which direction, and I spent more time trying to keep it straight, that trying to setup any kind of a turn never even crossed my mind.

It should be noted, that all of this is on the Angledfoil that turns better than any of the straight mast setup I've tried. So there is a distinct possibility of what I'm feeling/experiencing with these wing/stab combos is going to be completely different than those using them on a straight mast.

I say that, because there are a couple guys I foil with that use and love the Iwa/Kai combo on their straight masts...so there might be something to it that I'm not feeling just because of our feet placement to the differences in mast attachment location to the board.

All-in-all, I found that I really like the Kai/Kai setup, and the only draw back is that I need at least waist high stuff to be able to get them to lift me consistently, but once in the air, the smaller wings are really responsive, and I can really push them w/o worrying as much about flying them out of the water. Since where I foil is a lot of times not waist high, it seems that the Iwa/Maliko is still my "go to" setup the majority of the time.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 19, 2019, 11:49:10 PM
yaaaay i got more pics....GL210 tail on the left and Maliko200 tail on the right....maliko tail i cut to 8.25in each side....works waaaay better

(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F%3Cbr+%2F%3Ehttps%3A%2F%2Ffarm66.staticflickr.com%2F65535%2F48326228847_8d3c6bbd77_z.jpg&hash=744db9e977e559d12bacb44714dcaaf0)
.
.
.
.
GL210 wing head on view....
(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F%3Cbr+%2F%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3Ehttps%3A%2F%2Ffarm66.staticflickr.com%2F65535%2F48326230497_2dd2a58db4_z.jpg&hash=07869ec0107ff4dfd69e9dffec2b88a7)
.
.
.
.
GL210 wing trailing edge view...
(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F%3Cbr+%2F%3Ehttps%3A%2F%2Ffarm66.staticflickr.com%2F65535%2F48326100786_72a892747f_z.jpg&hash=24b61534c564acfdafee13d0c14337aa)
.
.
.
.
GL210 wing bottom view...
(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F%3Cbr+%2F%3Ehttps%3A%2F%2Ffarm66.staticflickr.com%2F65535%2F48326099021_a245c65b6a_z.jpg&hash=acca34bab5d01035e5cf2cc404612eb5)
.
.
.
.
GL210 wing on the bottom....Maliko200 wing on the top...head on view
(https://www.standupzone.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F%3Cbr+%2F%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3Ehttps%3A%2F%2Ffarm66.staticflickr.com%2F65535%2F48326230117_1d9b326771_z.jpg&hash=3c92612fc5eb3ae863aef2af5f2ef430)


the GL210 doesnt have quite as much lift as the Maliko200... BUT...it still has more than adequate lift tofly my 25lbs board and 24lbs fatass easily  in 1foolers....AND....most importantly it projects FOREWORD unbelievably well..
j
.the Maliko200 always wants to jump up Up UP  and out of the water so you are always trying to stomp down on the front foot to keep it from breaching...that's good for learning because youre always riding small waves building muscle memory to weight the front foot

when you stomp the front foot on the GL210...that sucker shoots foreward HARD abd FAST...feels like hitting the turbo and the thing just takes off down the line...when you surf the GL210 after bieng on the Maliko200 for a long time in waist high waves you stop thinking ...."i hope this thing doesn't buck me off before i get to that section 100 yrds down the line"....to...."look at that section 100yrds down the line ...i can MAKE IT...downshift...HIT DA GAS!!!!...WOOOOHOOOOO!"

im a big guy was on a SUP 5'4" riding the GL210 in 3 feet overhead waves on oahu during the last big swell couple weeks ago...the wing worked awesome......my advice is for a 200+guys get the GL210 if you need more lift use your Maliko200 tail ....less lift use the GL tail...
i have not tried the GL180 yet...as for as i know for now the GL210 is all ill ever need....
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 20, 2019, 12:00:32 AM
you got a price list!!!???...i didnt get a price list!!!....sheeeoot....yup thats a bit pricey...but totally worrh it...im getting um BOTH....cant afford it but im gettin um anyway...too late im already too spoiled to surf without  them....
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 20, 2019, 12:02:42 AM
Wow, great write-up steamroller, and the GL210 sounds like the hot setup!!

This...
Quote
Maliko200 always wants to jump up Up UP  and out of the water so you are always trying to stomp down on the front foot to keep it from breaching
...is exactly why it very rarely finds its way onto my fuselage, unless it's just ankle/shin high out there, and it's the only way I'll be able to still go and get my gills wet. ;D

This has me sold...
Quote
when you stomp the front foot on the GL210...that sucker shoots foreward HARD abd FAST...feels like hitting the turbo and the thing just takes off down the line
...forward and fast, YES!....up and slow, NO!   ;) :)

Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 20, 2019, 12:05:49 AM
you got a price list!!!???...i didnt get a price list!!!....sheeeoot....yup thats a bit pricey...but totally worrh it...im getting um BOTH....cant afford it but im gettin um anyway...too late im already too spoiled to surf without  them....
Local dealer showed it to me...I didn't actually get one from Go Foil, if that makes you feel any better. Lol... :D

But dang, you're making it sound like a "must have" now, so looks like I'm gonna have to go break another piggy bank, and get me at least the GL210 and stab. 8)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 20, 2019, 12:14:23 AM
can you guys see the latest pics?...hope so....they wont work for me....

anyway yeah flying the GL210 is a lot of fun to just feel it PROJECT )------------>foreward when you push down on the front foot...and the tail is adjustable too ...add a washer under the trailing edge to increase lift ...or remove a washer to reduce lift...ive never needed to put more than the 2 washers it comes with though
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 20, 2019, 12:29:22 AM
Cant see any pics in the post you're asking about.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 20, 2019, 01:32:20 AM
(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48326228847_8d3c6bbd77_z.jpg)

(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48326230497_2dd2a58db4_z.jpg)

(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48326100786_72a892747f_z.jpg)

(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48326099021_a245c65b6a_z.jpg)


(https://farm66.staticflickr.com/65535/48326230117_1d9b326771_z.jpg)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 20, 2019, 07:10:27 AM
SanO--thanks for the pricing info.  A bit more expensive than I was projecting too at least for the front wing.  You know that we are foil addicts when we are pushing for any info including pricing! :D

Steamroller/Bill--thanks for the ride reports and pictures.  The wings and new tail sound like an amazing upgrade for downwinding and possibly surf!

Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on July 20, 2019, 08:28:21 AM
Jeremy Riggs mentioned in a post on facebook that he needed to change his stance--moving back quite a bit to get the new GL wing he was using to fly. I'm thinking that might be what I was doing wrong yesterday. I didn't feel much lift at all. I was putting my front foot in the strap on port tacks and didn't get even a pop-up despite some really impressive non-foiling speed. On the starboard tacks, I can't get my foot in the strap and probably was standing further back when it popped up. I shouldn't expect new stuff to work like the old stuff.

Steam and anyone else using these, have you changed your stance?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 808sup on July 20, 2019, 09:49:34 AM
I donít have Facebook but watch all of Jeremyís videos on Instagram. His rear foot is noticeably further back on the board now in the latest video (almost off the board) than in vide of a year ago when riding the 200. Could it be the newer High aspect wings ride better with more weight on rear foot?
Tried posting screenshots but couldnít do it.  :-\
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 20, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
Jeremy Riggs mentioned in a post on facebook that he needed to change his stance--moving back quite a bit to get the new GL wing he was using to fly. I'm thinking that might be what I was doing wrong yesterday. I didn't feel much lift at all. I was putting my front foot in the strap on port tacks and didn't get even a pop-up despite some really impressive non-foiling speed. On the starboard tacks, I can't get my foot in the strap and probably was standing further back when it popped up. I shouldn't expect new stuff to work like the old stuff.

Steam and anyone else using these, have you changed your stance?
PB, since I've not tried (or even seen) a GL yet, this goes more to just the differences in foot or mast/wing placement of the smaller vs. larger wings to get them to fly appropriately.

When I was finally able to really test the Kai setup in some decent surf, I do anything different wrt to foot and/or place mast placement. But when it got smaller a few days later, and since I really enjoyed the feel of the Kai setup, I left it on, and just wanted to see exactly how small of stuff I could get it to work in.

I found that even at about 190 lbs on a lower glide 6'x29" board, that I was able to get it to work OK in waist/belly high stuff w/o changing anything up, and while I missed a couple waves that I'd have normal got with the Iwa setup, the looseness, and nimbleness of the Kai was just more fun when I kept the gas pedal pressed on it...although a little more work than usual in the smaller stuff.

But since "OK" is never what I'm looking for, on the beach I was chatting with probably the best SUP foiler in our area, and we kind of came to the conclusion that moving the mast/wing forward for the smaller wing would be better than leaving it where it normally sits, and trying to reposition ourselves/feet further back on the board.

The thought/theory was that since we're already at the rear of our boards (he rides a 6-footer also), that any further back would really effect the ride attitude of the board on foil in the air, and moving the mast/wing forward under the board while leaving our straps/feet in the same place, would basically do the same thing foil position to the feet for getting the board out of the water, but once in the air
we'd still be "centered" on the to fly "level" as we'd normally do.

Any thoughts on that, or how that may or may not apply to the GL wings as well? Thanks.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on July 20, 2019, 11:12:35 AM
Jeremy Riggs mentioned in a post on facebook that he needed to change his stance--moving back quite a bit to get the new GL wing he was using to fly. I'm thinking that might be what I was doing wrong yesterday. I didn't feel much lift at all. I was putting my front foot in the strap on port tacks and didn't get even a pop-up despite some really impressive non-foiling speed.

Nothing magic here.  Center of lift for the wing is 1/4 Chord.  25% of the way from the leading to trailing edge of the FRONT wing.

When I took the tail OFF the Maliko 200 last year my front foot position required moving BACK 8" from the normal spot.  What this showed was how much DOWN force was being imparted by the tail wing.  My Center of Gravity moved back 4".  1/3 ft X 180 lbs = 60 foot pounds of force.

If these Tail wings have NO lift at Zero Degrees angle of Attack, and if the Chord of these wings is 2" less than the Maliko 200 (Average ~ 8") then you have to move CG back another 1" for a total 5" CG shift.  Alternately front foot goes back 10".  Wow!  That does seem like a lot.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on July 20, 2019, 01:14:45 PM
All of this makes me want to add tracks to little Fugly, but I'm not going to. I have plenty of room to move back.

I'm pretty sure Jeremy's board has a Tuttle.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 20, 2019, 06:28:55 PM
All of this makes me want to add tracks to little Fugly, but I'm not going to. I have plenty of room to move back.

I'm pretty sure Jeremy's board has a Tuttle.
Hahaha, well I guess that's a pretty good reason to move your feet and not the foil. ;D

Go for it PB, you can never have enough tracks on a board....
(https://i.imgur.com/S5ij86k.jpg?2)
 ;) :D
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supfoo on July 21, 2019, 05:45:26 PM
So what are the prices for the new wings??
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 22, 2019, 08:31:18 PM
To confuse matters more on those debating between GL180 and GL210, here is the GL240 in action in the surf...

https://www.facebook.com/Gofoils/videos/2319538324789030/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTgyOTgwNzUwNzoyODUwNDg3MzI1MDIyMjMz/
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on July 22, 2019, 09:19:42 PM
I used a GL240 today. Astonishing glide. Tomorrow should be even better.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Dwight (DW) on July 23, 2019, 03:39:11 AM
To confuse matters more on those debating between GL180 and GL210, here is the GL240 in action in the surf...

https://www.facebook.com/Gofoils/videos/2319538324789030/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTgyOTgwNzUwNzoyODUwNDg3MzI1MDIyMjMz/

Letís confuse everyone more  ;D
There is a GL-225....itís a 210 with more chord.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on July 23, 2019, 08:12:36 AM
Jeremy Riggs mentioned in a post on facebook that he needed to change his stance--moving back quite a bit to get the new GL wing he was using to fly. I'm thinking that might be what I was doing wrong yesterday. I didn't feel much lift at all. I was putting my front foot in the strap on port tacks and didn't get even a pop-up despite some really impressive non-foiling speed.

Nothing magic here.  Center of lift for the wing is 1/4 Chord.  25% of the way from the leading to trailing edge of the FRONT wing.

When I took the tail OFF the Maliko 200 last year my front foot position required moving BACK 8" from the normal spot.  What this showed was how much DOWN force was being imparted by the tail wing.  My Center of Gravity moved back 4".  1/3 ft X 180 lbs = 60 foot pounds of force.

If these Tail wings have NO lift at Zero Degrees angle of Attack, and if the Chord of these wings is 2" less than the Maliko 200 (Average ~ 8") then you have to move CG back another 1" for a total 5" CG shift.  Alternately front foot goes back 10".  Wow!  That does seem like a lot.
Beasho, I'm easily confused by science  :o :) but if the Maliko tail's shape (wings down) creates "much DOWN force", would turning it over, and installing it upside down create "much UP force" to create more lift?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: clay on July 23, 2019, 10:38:32 AM
Beasho, I'm easily confused by science  :o :) but if the Maliko tail's shape (wings down) creates "much DOWN force", would turning it over, and installing it upside down create "much UP force" to create more lift?
With stabilizers everything is "backward", so no.  Down force increases angle of attack directing the foil up and out of the water.  Up force decreases angle of attack and send the foil into a nose dive.

I'm glad to see goifoil adding the option to shim the stabilizer, not being able to would be a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: gzasinets on July 23, 2019, 12:28:37 PM
To confuse matters more on those debating between GL180 and GL210, here is the GL240 in action in the surf...

https://www.facebook.com/Gofoils/videos/2319538324789030/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTgyOTgwNzUwNzoyODUwNDg3MzI1MDIyMjMz/

WOW this looks impressive, ok take my money  ;)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: soepkip on July 23, 2019, 01:53:30 PM
So Gofoil found it.

The holy Grail of foiling.

I just got the Iwa M200 and M280 , have to get rid of them now and lose a lot of money, or should I wait out the storm?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on July 23, 2019, 02:52:42 PM
Steamroller - thanks for the photos, super helpful.  Which tail is that in the pictures narrow or wide?  have you tried both?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supunk on July 27, 2019, 04:06:57 AM
Hi Steamroller. Could you tell me the distance from the front of the wing to the front of the mast please? Interested for the setup of my homemade GL wing. Many thanks for answering all my annoying questions :D
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 31, 2019, 06:21:01 AM
Don't know how we missed these that Jason posted to youtube... part 2 of the release video at Hi Tec... probably adds even more confusion to the 180 vs. 210 vs. 240 decision and gives details about the tail...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZdqXUvwn_A
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on July 31, 2019, 06:22:24 AM
And part 3...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIhctxSKH_o
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on July 31, 2019, 11:33:10 AM
i never realized just how much Ooomph the GL210  has over the Maliko200 till i saw myself on video racing....my friend keola used to smoke me and my Maliko200 in a drag race every time on his Naish Thrust L on a prone board...used to keep up with me easily on a wave then when we hop over the back to run for the 2 for1 he would always get there first...BUT...

now....the GL 210 comes with TURBO!!!!

.
.

https://youtu.be/XLhDtdTIznk
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Hdip on July 31, 2019, 11:49:41 AM
He's killing it on that Naish L. What one? The original Yellow or the newer red one?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 01, 2019, 07:30:48 AM
Nice video, Steamroller.  Watching all the high aspect wings in the M2O video and how the glides go on forever is something else, too!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 01, 2019, 09:38:19 AM
now....the GL 210 comes with TURBO!!!!

Great comparison!  Much better than the subjective "It's just faster and looser and . . . ."
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 02, 2019, 12:17:07 AM
Hdip: hes on the 2019 wing i thonk it  is...black with white stripes underneath and the tips have a red band and gray wide stripe...


also we raced again today at 1 foot malibu except.i rode my Maliko200....i got absolutely SMOKED....he ran away from me like i was standing still...im.now convinced its.is.ALL ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT....because i can jam on the foil and dig dig dig with the paddle.but there was no way i could keep up with him on the Maliko200....2 for 1s were a struggle where the GL210 2 for 1 s are a normal thing...of course im goimg.for a 2 for.1 with the GL210...i always do...the Maliko200 definitely has a.place ...its the absolutely best for learning to SUP.foil but once you ride the GL210....im pretty much never ever going to ride the Maliko200 again...totally spoiled now...
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: soepkip on August 02, 2019, 12:27:53 AM
Still no specs and pricing of the new wings?
And when will they be available?

Feel free to share the specs if you know them....
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 02, 2019, 11:36:08 AM
Still no specs and pricing of the new wings?
And when will they be available?


SanoSlatchSup commented earlier in the thread:

"I saw a price sheet that had the GL180 front wing w/cover listed at $750, the GL210 front wing w/cover for $800, and the 18N or 18W tail wing w/cover at $165 a piece. So at a minimum of $915, it's gonna be just one set for me, and why I want to make sure I get it right the first time. "
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 08, 2019, 01:20:12 PM
James Casey prone foiling his GL180...

https://www.facebook.com/Gofoils/videos/494238981386351/
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 13, 2019, 10:03:58 PM
Just got word my GL210 kit is shipping!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 13, 2019, 10:11:53 PM
Just got word my GL210 kit is shipping!

Awesome!  For surfing or downwind or with a surfwing?  Look forward to a ride report!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 14, 2019, 07:36:42 PM
A buddy of mine let me know that the Go Foil Europe page has been updated with the GL wings:

https://www.gofoileurope.com/gl-series/

And the Australian site as well:

https://www.gofoilaustralia.com.au/

Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on August 14, 2019, 08:28:23 PM
I got my new GL240 and new tail yesterday. Pretty. Now I need to learn how to get it up. I was using my footstrap but tried to keep my foot at the back of the strap. I was wingfoiling and I got it up to speeds that would have my M200 or M280 bouncing at the overfoil limit. No go. I'm sure it's my foot position. Tomorrow the straps come off and we go.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: soepkip on August 14, 2019, 10:39:05 PM
A buddy of mine let me know that the Go Foil Europe page has been updated with the GL wings:

https://www.gofoileurope.com/gl-series/

And the Australian site as well:

https://www.gofoilaustralia.com.au/

Still no specifications

GL240 999Ä pedestal  130Ä back wing 199Ä  =  1328Ä :-\   :-[   >:(
Title: Re: GoFoil 4.0 Release ? ? ?
Post by: Beasho on August 15, 2019, 06:44:28 AM
What to do about this?

GoFoil 4.0!

https://forum.surfer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2987746#Post2987746
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on August 15, 2019, 07:00:20 AM
Yeah, the new wings are expensive. Wing and stabilizer were well over $1K. I don't remember the exact amount, but it seemed like a lot 'o bucks.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 15, 2019, 10:40:39 AM
$$$is totally irrelevant fo me....its worth it ...every penny....life is short...buy the dam toy...haha..besides...that stinkin GL210 is sooooooooo GOOD...it makes you feel like youre 16 all over again...AGAIN!...im nearly 50 ...to feel like youre 16 and have that much FUN again...sheeeeoot...you know how you sometimes daydream and think..."i wish i could go back and be a kid again knowing what i know now"...well...this is IT!...

wanna know what will really BLOW YOUR MIND!...put that sumbeach on your tiny prone board...i put it on my 5'2"  and did a 6 for 1 yesterday in non-breaking swells...1 footers NOT winded...just barely breathing heavy...barely...i couldn't believe it...i quit pumping back outonly because i got bored...for a 240# fatass that is unheard of even on a SUP with a paddle...and normally after a 4 for 1 my lungs are ready to  go POP!..and passs out...with the GL210 you can fly for....ev...errrrrre...kikass ;)

the BEST part is youre now competitive with all the skinny guys on youtube..
and running circles around all the other foilers is FUN!...yeah ya shoulda got a GoFoil!
Title: Re: GoFoil 4.0 Release ? ? ?
Post by: steamroller on August 15, 2019, 10:42:20 AM
What to do about this?

GoFoil 4.0!

https://forum.surfer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2987746#Post2987746




yeah that damn Kaser wont tell me anything either...something wicked FUN this way comes....
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 15, 2019, 04:33:56 PM
This is at least a $1000/year hobby AFTER spending $2000+ to join the club.  I saw the 4.0 message shortly after I put my credit card down for the GL210.  At least steamroller is keeping me excited about it!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Hdip on August 15, 2019, 10:14:32 PM
Steamroller. If I ever break down and buy the new high aspect nonsense you gotta do downwinder's with me. That's an aspect I really want to learn. Countyline to Zuma. Prius shuttles back and forth :)

If we do it at low tide we can probably do prone take off's out at the County Bombora on our prone boards. Not sure I can stay on foil for longer than 2 minutes as that is double my current longest ride but we'll see.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 16, 2019, 03:36:48 AM
$$$is totally irrelevant fo me....its worth it ...every penny....life is short...buy the dam toy...haha..besides...that stinkin GL210 is sooooooooo GOOD...it makes you feel like youre 16 all over again...AGAIN!...im nearly 50 ...to feel like youre 16 and have that much FUN again...sheeeeoot...you know how you sometimes daydream and think..."i wish i could go back and be a kid again knowing what i know now"...well...this is IT!......

the BEST part is youre now competitive with all the skinny guys on youtube..
and running circles around all the other foilers is FUN!...yeah ya shoulda got a GoFoil!

You just sold a few more wings. 

Myself included.  And Iíve been loving the M200 Kai tail combination on zero foot waves in the east coast. 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SUPeter on August 16, 2019, 05:01:05 AM
I cant wait!  Just vaccum bagged the carbon last evening.  I hope all my guesswork proves adequate. My last higher aspect wing made 3 of my older wings obsolete.  this one will be for the larger waves but if its real good, it may become the one wing to rule them all.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supunk on August 16, 2019, 08:57:24 AM
Would love to see some more pics SUPeter. :)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supunk on August 16, 2019, 09:11:11 AM
$$$is totally irrelevant fo me....its worth it ...every penny....life is short...buy the dam toy...haha..besides...that stinkin GL210 is sooooooooo GOOD...it makes you feel like youre 16 all over again...AGAIN!...im nearly 50 ...to feel like youre 16 and have that much FUN again...sheeeeoot...you know how you sometimes daydream and think..."i wish i could go back and be a kid again knowing what i know now"...well...this is IT!...

wanna know what will really BLOW YOUR MIND!...put that sumbeach on your tiny prone board...i put it on my 5'2"  and did a 6 for 1 yesterday in non-breaking swells...1 footers NOT winded...just barely breathing heavy...barely...i couldn't believe it...i quit pumping back outonly because i got bored...for a 240# fatass that is unheard of even on a SUP with a paddle...and normally after a 4 for 1 my lungs are ready to  go POP!..and passs out...with the GL210 you can fly for....ev...errrrrre...kikass ;)

the BEST part is youre now competitive with all the skinny guys on youtube..
and running circles around all the other foilers is FUN!...yeah ya shoulda got a GoFoil!

I was thinking the GL wings were way too much money this morning but everytime I read this post I change my mind. Are they really that good Steamroller? I could do with feeling 16 again! The combo of your posts and the videos of Derek Hamasaki on the GL180 are too much :)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 16, 2019, 10:18:44 AM
I think in the space of a week, we'll see a whole bunch of first-ride reports (myself included).  I will certainly get on mine within a day of it arriving and will post here for the benefit of those still on the fence.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SUPeter on August 16, 2019, 10:25:16 AM
Beasho!     Those pics are making me yearn for southern realms, even if they are only 1 footers. 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 16, 2019, 02:00:35 PM
Beasho!     Those pics are making me yearn for southern realms, even if they are only 1 footers.

People don't get it and I don't think they ARE going to get it.  It = The ability to Foil in small and terrible conditions and still have a blast.

The following was a typical forecast for this summer on the East Coast.  1 - 2 Feet and BAD!

The whole summer was pretty much like this.  One day I decided to give it a try.  I called my East Coast foil amigo and said "Paul I am going to drive up there and see what's going on." 

Sure enough there were waves and I was foiling all over BY MYSELF.   In the heart of New England and I AM SURFING (FOILING) 100% ALONE. 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 16, 2019, 02:03:40 PM
So I get Ruby to join me the next day (my daughter) and we are riding waves like this.

I am flying down the line, doing cutbacks and hitting tiny little whitewater.  Then Paul joins and says "Man you really bring the waves."

SUPeter shows up.  I swear there are only 30 people that foil. 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 16, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
Ruby invites a friend
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 16, 2019, 03:06:05 PM
I swear there are only 30 people that foil.

yeah, I am continually surprised by this. I called a very popular distributor of GoFoil to order the GL wings and I was the first one to place an order.  That really surprised me based on all the internet hype I see on the foiling discussion lists. How are any of these foil vendors making money besides Hawaii???
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Hdip on August 16, 2019, 05:15:46 PM
Do you guys ever feel like youíre Jeff Clark at Mavericks. You have these amazing waves/foil and no one believes that you have them and you keep telling people that theyíre there but no one listens to you. Then you think about it and realize in the future itís going to be as crowded as Mavericks so maybe you should just shut up about it. But really the waves/foil are just so good that you have to tell people about it.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on August 16, 2019, 06:43:24 PM
So I get Ruby to join me the next day (my daughter) and we are riding waves like this.

I am flying down the line, doing cutbacks and hitting tiny little whitewater.  Then Paul joins and says "Man you really bring the waves."

SUPeter shows up.  I swear there are only 30 people that foil.

It's actually 40, but that's it.

In truth there are zillions of foilers in Hood River but they're kit, windsurf, and downwind foilers. some foil surf, but definitely not all. Lots of people tried wing foiling this weekend. Most loved it, some were unimpressed.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: bigmtn on August 16, 2019, 07:38:08 PM
Ha! Last weekend I pulled up to one of the spots I frequent and there were easily 30 foilers out! Both Saturday and Sunday mornings... The best part was I foiled the same spot Friday evening and had it all to my self
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 16, 2019, 09:37:01 PM
Hdip if ypu ever get on the high aspect bandwagon you wont need downwind ers anymore...you can fly upwind...yesterday on my prone board at mondos  i kicked out at the bottom of the point and pumped all the way back up to the top of the point against the wind and currents and waves and chop...awesome...

sometimes i wish I was a sales guy. too...id just show up at a foil spot on any given sunday and hand out these Gl210 wings like candy to try to all the older 200+ guys on SUPS and turn um LOOSE...i guarantee 90% of um would come back in and hand over a CC number no questions asked...the  other 10 % would come back the next week and pony up too...because once you run the GL210 is impossible to have fun on the Maliko200 again...you always keep thinking..."damn i wish i had my GL210 wing i could MADE that next pump  out!"


i wasnt going to post this vid because resolution from the surfline cam is grainy so i didnt Instagram or facebook it but...this is 1st point malibu and im running around in front of the Dora wall getting a 3 for 1 on just 1 footer swells...the board is a waterlogged 25# pig...the second 2 for 1 the wave never broke at all and i turned the corner on shore in 2 foot deep ebb tide and caudht the backwash back out...

.this thing rides so good you can actually ride the backwash!...

notice the prone guy sitting on the inside...thats prone guy keola cheering me on...i never pass him...just keep running in my own secret spot...at first point malibu...haha


https://youtu.be/UvAdit8GANU
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 18, 2019, 09:48:56 PM
Some GL210 porn.  Will post a ride report after tomorrow morning's session.
(https://i.imgur.com/OBEPbct.jpg)
Ingenious method for making the wing/fuse universal - a slotted hole!
(https://i.imgur.com/TjjlaeK.jpg)
It's quite a bit smaller than an IWA. Uploaded the measurements here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit#gid=0
(https://i.imgur.com/fJEe7uf.jpg)
Tail next to the maliko tail - it must be much lower drag
(https://i.imgur.com/tTBeSPj.jpg)
tail foil section is much thinner
(https://i.imgur.com/vU0bMiG.jpg)
IWA at 1.5" thick
(https://i.imgur.com/pW5YqUS.jpg)
GL210 at 1.06" thick
(https://i.imgur.com/yIiMQhC.jpg)

Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Sup-position on August 19, 2019, 11:30:41 AM
Here is the 1.5 Price List
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 19, 2019, 12:21:43 PM
WooooooooooooooW...Cool!... i totally forgot about the thinness of the wings especially the tail when you put the new tail next to the maliko/iwa tail s thin like a razor and the maliko/iwa makes you go..."man that's going to be really draggy through the water "

Sup.position where did you get a price list?...nothing on the website...oh well this has become one of those things i can live without...need some more TOYS...woohoooo!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Sup-position on August 19, 2019, 12:59:42 PM

I am a Dealer

WooooooooooooooW...Cool!... i totally forgot about the thinness of the wings especially the tail when you put the new tail next to the maliko/iwa tail s thin like a razor and the maliko/iwa makes you go..."man that's going to be really draggy through the water "

Sup.position where did you get a price list?...nothing on the website...oh well this has become one of those things i can live without...need some more TOYS...woohoooo!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 19, 2019, 03:03:58 PM
oops typo....imean CAN'T live without....

Nwe TOYS...GoFoil!...Woohoooooo :D
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 19, 2019, 05:29:18 PM
Initial Ride report on the GL210+Narrow Tail+29.5mast.  I'm #205+wetsuit/paddle, riding 115L board.  Comparisons are to my typical gear IWA and M200 with 420mm Maliko tail.
My go to spot was not breaking, so I ended up at Ocean Beach at low tide with short period unorganized and small beach break.  Not a day I would normally paddle out on, but I wanted to get on the new gear.   

Obvious
 * This gear does not automatically make you a hero.  At least not the on the first session.  There is a learning curve, and I'm still working my way up it.  Definitely not suitable for a first foil.  I would not have been able to ride it nearly as well had I not been riding my cut down 420mm tail for the last several months.
 * It is noticeably harder to catch waves early, but once you do, the wing is super slippery and much faster.  The moment the board comes out of the water, you have it made.  I beat some hollow fast moving sections that I never would have made before.   Less lift at slow speeds but handles speed so much smoother.
 * I had my very first 2 for 1 this morning (no, I did not pump back out to the same peak I took off on, but yes I absolutely did exit the wave, pump out the back to another peak and jump onto that wave).  If caught on video, nobody would have been impressed.   Pumping is immediately easier.

Not as obvious, but noticeable
 * the board is a bit more tippy
 * less pull on the leash during wipe-outs
 * easier to duck-dive through breaking waves and whitewater
 * less drag in the water while paddling

Other
 * I never breached it, the foil is well behaved through the entire speed range
 * Never felt like there was a limit to turning - I was concerned with the wider wingspan and flatter profile, but this wasn't a problem at all
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SUPeter on August 20, 2019, 04:20:33 AM
Thanks Jondrums for posting those pics.  Corroborates the dimensions of my latest wing.  Have not been on waves yet but did some speed testing behind a boat.  Needs a little extra speed to lift off but not much.  Top speed is ridiculous!  It was still manageable at 25 mph.  The glide is amazing.  Good wing for small days.  Good wing for big days.  I'm sold.  Again, have not tried it in waves but did a lot of testing and pumping with a boat pull.  Very confident it will be a new favorite.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 20, 2019, 10:02:49 AM
Thanks Jondrums--sounds spectacular!  Interesting comment on the cut down tail helping with the transition... any thoughts on how the lift fits in between IWA and M200?  Suspect I am going to stick with those two wings for a little while but at 185lbs wondering if the 180 or 210 would be the right wing for surf...
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 20, 2019, 03:46:40 PM
oops typo....imean CAN'T live without....

OK - Steamroller and JonDrums you had better not be a bunch of online AI selling Bots.   ::)

I just ordered my wing.  They were out of tails so I'll have to pick those up later. 

I hesitated based upon that GoFoil 4.0 premonition.  But life is short and I'm looking forward to being 16 again.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on August 20, 2019, 04:26:46 PM
nice Beasho and is this your goto wing in the future and how much do you weight, let us know how you go?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 20, 2019, 05:08:10 PM
any thoughts on how the lift fits in between IWA and M200?

I can't speak to how it works with a lighter person than I.  I'd say the initial lift is most similar to IWA.  However, once you get moving it has at least as much lift as the M200 to carry you through soft sections of the wave. 

Its all about lift-to-drag ratio, and the GL is clearly much higher lift to drag ratio.  So it can peak out at faster speeds, and when it does, it has every bit as much lift (or more) as the M200 does at its correspondingly lower speed.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 20, 2019, 05:45:42 PM
$$$is totally irrelevant fo me....its worth it ...every penny....life is short...buy the dam toy...haha..besides...that stinkin GL210 is sooooooooo GOOD...it makes you feel like youre 16 all over again...AGAIN!...im nearly 50 ...to feel like youre 16 and have that much FUN again...sheeeeoot...you know how you sometimes daydream and think..."i wish i could go back and be a kid again knowing what i know now"...well...this is IT!...

wanna know what will really BLOW YOUR MIND!...put that sumbeach on your tiny prone board...i put it on my 5'2"  and did a 6 for 1 yesterday in non-breaking swells...1 footers NOT winded...just barely breathing heavy...barely...i couldn't believe it...i quit pumping back outonly because i got bored...for a 240# fatass that is unheard of even on a SUP with a paddle...and normally after a 4 for 1 my lungs are ready to  go POP!..and passs out...with the GL210 you can fly for....ev...errrrrre...kikass ;)

the BEST part is youre now competitive with all the skinny guys on youtube..
and running circles around all the other foilers is FUN!...yeah ya shoulda got a GoFoil!


This is what I am looking forward to. 

I weigh 185.  I can do 2 for 1 on the Maliko 200 with the right conditions.  Typically if it is cleaner.  I can last ~ 20 seconds pumping.  I have vetted this in many environs.   The math works out to be 20 seconds @ 10 mph, or 15 feet per second meaning a full 100 yards. 

This is equivalent to running a 100 yard dash in 20 seconds CARRYING 25 lbs of FOIL BOARD.  It is tiring for anyone over the age of 23.  The hope is that this wing will get closer to the efficiency of riding a bike (extreme aspiration) than running with a dumbell. 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on August 20, 2019, 07:22:16 PM
I'm using the 240 with the new tail for wing foiling. I only use it when it's nuking. My pumping skills are minimal and this thing takes some serious speed to lift my ass. I'm looking forward to using it for surf. Once I'm up though it gathers speed very quickly, and then it's solid. I have to feather the hell out of the wing even going upwind. And it goes upwind like crazy. For those familiar with the Gorge, I went from Luhr Jensen to above the hatchery in one reach.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on August 20, 2019, 07:58:49 PM
this is gonna be hard for 80kg as I want the M280 for dw and pump and then there's GL210 or GL240 but I just to buy one wing of those 3  ::) ???
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 21, 2019, 12:31:28 AM
no AI bot...just want you guys to feel that same ...oh WOW this thing is GREAT!...stoke that i had too...its really a lot of fun stomping the front foot and feeling the board shoot FORWARD instead of just hover there...wheeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 21, 2019, 12:40:15 AM
ok Geez i totally forgot the main secret to pumping to infinity with these things....

pump cadence....once you jump out over the back of the wave its best to use the ...pump pump paddle cadence...watch derek hamasaki...i learned it from him...pump pump paddle....
pump pump paddle...and you can keep it going all day...

on the Maliko200 you gotta dig  dig dig with every pump to stay airborne  and you start relying on the paddle to keep you flying...NO!...its doable but i get winded real fast...all the flight has to come from your legs...so of you dig with the paddle every 3rd pump just for timing its WAY better...

pump  pump  paddle
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: soepkip on August 21, 2019, 02:09:56 AM
ok Geez i totally forgot the main secret to pumping to infinity with these things....

pump cadence....once you jump out over the back of the wave its best to use the ...pump pump paddle cadence...watch derek hamasaki...i learned it from him...pump pump paddle....
pump pump paddle...and you can keep it going all day...

on the Maliko200 you gotta dig  dig dig with every pump to stay airborne  and you start relying on the paddle to keep you flying...NO!...its doable but i get winded real fast...all the flight has to come from your legs...so of you dig with the paddle every 3rd pump just for timing its WAY better...

pump  pump  paddle

What is the lenghth of your paddle, mine is minus 3 inch , perhaps a bit to short for this pump, pump , paddle cadence?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SUPeter on August 21, 2019, 04:11:50 AM
Nice Beasho!  Congrats on the new purchase!  I hope to be able to compare wings on my next visit to RI.  Happy Foiling!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 21, 2019, 09:21:43 AM
I can last ~ 20 seconds pumping.  I have vetted this in many environs.   The math works out to be 20 seconds @ 10 mph, or 15 feet per second meaning a full 100 yards. 

This is equivalent to running a 100 yard dash in 20 seconds CARRYING 25 lbs of FOIL BOARD.  It is tiring for anyone over the age of 23.  The hope is that this wing will get closer to the efficiency of riding a bike (extreme aspiration) than running with a dumbell.
[/quote]

Case in point:  Here is an example of flat water pumping from 0:04 Secs -> 0:25 Secs = 21 Seconds total

This was on as tiny a board as you can get 3' 3" pumping in flat water.  I still only made it 20 seconds on the M200 and Blue Tail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUxgGLhOL5s
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 21, 2019, 09:26:05 AM
Here is another use case for the GL210:  Big Waves!

When attempting to catch waves around the periphery of Mavericks on bigger days the waves can move fast enough that I lose them.  See the end of this ride.  There is still a swell but it gets away from me because the wave got too soft and was travelling too fast for me to continue riding.  I was on the IWA with Kai tail.  Note this was before I was using an elongated front strap which allowed me to move my front foot back and prevent the porpoising shown in the video. 

The hope is that the wing is efficient enough to glide/pump through softer sections and keep up with the bigger faster waves.  This will be a game changer if it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDIWvU1otec
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: gulljammer on August 21, 2019, 10:44:54 AM
For those that have ridden the new GL wings. Is there any change of foot position from the IWA/Maliko? I presently use GF Iwa or Maliko depending on wave size with the Kai tail using the tuttle mount mast on a 6'3" SUP. Do I need to order a plate mount mast to avoid changing my foot position?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Hdip on August 21, 2019, 12:20:34 PM
the waves can move fast enough that I lose them.  See the end of this ride.  There is still a swell but it gets away from me because the wave got too soft and was travelling too fast for me to continue riding. 

The hope is that the wing is efficient enough to glide/pump through softer sections and keep up with the bigger faster waves.  This will be a game changer if it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDIWvU1otec

Listen to this podcast. Zane talks about that somewhere in there. How for the channel foil races you either need a fat slow wing to catch the wind swell and get up early, but it's to slow to stay with the groundswell. Or you need a thin fast wing that is very hard to get up on foil, but fly's with the groundswell once you are up.

 https://soundcloud.com/progressionproject/foiling-series-ep-8-2x-ultimate-waterman-zane-schweitzer
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 21, 2019, 02:23:22 PM
i haven't listened to the podcast but...yeah the waves outrunning yous will not be a problem anymor Beasho...get ready to have your game changed...but you will eventually need to the new tail for the BIG waves...anything more than 2 ft overhead is too much lift with the cut Maliko200/IWA tail...the new flat tail doesnt have quite so much lift and is waaaaaay faster
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on August 21, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
figuring out these wings will be interesting  :)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 21, 2019, 03:47:51 PM
The new tail pedestal and tail wing makes the Maliko (and cut maliko) look like an absolute pig.  I never thought twice about the Maliko tail, but now it just seems so incredibly draggy, thick, and big.   The way the pedestal is faired to a point on the back must be a good thing too.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on August 21, 2019, 04:00:09 PM
I can see two new tail and whats the difference?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 23, 2019, 11:46:43 PM
Finally got out on a day with some swell at a spot I know well.  Rode 50 waves in 2.5hrs session and by the end I was pretty tired.  I don't think I'm going to use any of my old foils any more - the GL210 is just so smooth, fast, and maneuverable.   I wasn't really working on pumping today since the waves were working so well I needed the breather while casually paddling back out to the peak. 

Initial lift is pretty similar to the IWA.  Takes a little work to get it out of the water.
I'm pretty sore tonight because falling at top speed has so much more impact.  Reminds me of falling on a slalom waterski more than falling off a surfboard.
The wing is so fast that I was constantly ahead of the pocket of the wave - I can stall my IWA to slow it down and stay in the wave, but not the GL210.  It is also enough faster that I was having trouble carving it back the way I came to get back in the critical section.  Gotta work on turning harder.

All in all, a grin inducing session.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on August 24, 2019, 12:25:13 AM
Yep pretty much like that... Feel like you're 16 again?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on August 24, 2019, 07:08:34 AM
I've tried the GL240 on several wing foiling sessions. I think it will be great when I learn to manage the speed, but at my current skill level, I felt like I was on a motorcycle with the throttle stuck. It just kept going faster.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supfoo on August 24, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
Hey jondrums, what part of the world are you foiling at? 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: red_tx on August 24, 2019, 05:05:25 PM
Finally got out on a day with some swell at a spot I know well.  Rode 50 waves in 2.5hrs session and by the end I was pretty tired.  I don't think I'm going to use any of my old foils any more - the GL210 is just so smooth, fast, and maneuverable.   I wasn't really working on pumping today since the waves were working so well I needed the breather while casually paddling back out to the peak. 

Initial lift is pretty similar to the IWA.  Takes a little work to get it out of the water.
I'm pretty sore tonight because falling at top speed has so much more impact.  Reminds me of falling on a slalom waterski more than falling off a surfboard.
The wing is so fast that I was constantly ahead of the pocket of the wave - I can stall my IWA to slow it down and stay in the wave, but not the GL210.  It is also enough faster that I was having trouble carving it back the way I came to get back in the critical section.  Gotta work on turning harder.

All in all, a grin inducing session.

Jon, Thanks for sharing. Is the GL210 the same or close to the IWA(170) with regards to suggested rider weight, skill, and surface area?

Thanks
-red
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 24, 2019, 10:07:28 PM

...
Initial lift is pretty similar to the IWA.  Takes a little work to get it out of the water.
I'm pretty sore tonight because falling at top speed has so much more impact.  Reminds me of falling on a slalom waterski more than falling off a surfboard.
The wing is so fast that I was constantly ahead of the pocket of the wave - I can stall my IWA to slow it down and stay in the wave, but not the GL210.  It is also enough faster that I was having trouble carving it back the way I came to get back in the critical section.  Gotta work on turning harder.
...

Thank you for keeping the reviews coming!  Sounds spectacular--interesting thought that the speed has you outrunning the pocket of the wave... wonder if the 180 would be easier cutback or if it is just practice.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 25, 2019, 10:16:38 AM
I worked a bunch on cutting back hard back into the pocket today and this foil TURNS!  Disregard my last post about outrunning the pocket, I'm learning fast.  But the most fun is taking off behind the peak and outracing a fast steep wave.

Had a couple more very short 2for1s this morning.  Short period beach break is super fun because the next peak isn't far behind.

GL210 is the right size for you if the IWA fits you well.

I'm selling all my old foil gear.

PS. San Fran Bay area.  OBSF this morning
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: fatfish on August 25, 2019, 01:11:44 PM
Hey Jon
What size mast are you running?  Did you buy the combo package with mast or did you retrofit the GL onto your old mast?  thanks in advance for the info.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 25, 2019, 01:28:22 PM
Using the tall mast.  I already had the mast and the new wing and tail fit fine.

I'm serious about ditching my old gear. (https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,35194.0.html) Dreaming about the GL240 now.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 25, 2019, 01:52:29 PM
I worked a bunch on cutting back hard back into the pocket today and this foil TURNS!  Disregard my last post about outrunning the pocket, I'm learning fast.  But the most fun is taking off behind the peak and outracing a fast steep wave.

Had a couple more very short 2for1s this morning.  Short period beach break is super fun because the next peak isn't far behind.

GL210 is the right size for you if the IWA fits you well.

I'm selling all my old foil gear.

PS. San Fran Bay area.  OBSF this morning

Wow, just wow!  I ran into Steamroller today in the surf (on a slick KT SUP Foilboard) and he agrees 210 over 180 is where it is at.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on August 25, 2019, 03:47:05 PM
what tail is everyone using with the GL. Also, for IWA user has anyone tried using with the new release tail either wide or narrow?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: red_tx on August 25, 2019, 04:35:12 PM
Using the tall mast.  I already had the mast and the new wing and tail fit fine.

I'm serious about ditching my old gear. (https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,35194.0.html) Dreaming about the GL240 now.

Jon, Sorry its not clear to me. Are you using an original GoFoil mast with the new wings? Would be great if they were interchangeable.
Thanks
-red
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on August 25, 2019, 11:28:15 PM
They say that the original masts are interchangeable with the new wings without any modifications. I found that to be true.

I'm using the new narrow tail on the new pedestal with the GL210.  TJ at Big Winds says the wide tail would be most similar to a stock IWA + maliko tail while the narrow tail is most similar to an IWA with a cut maliko tail or kai tail.  In terms of pitch stability, I found the 210+narrow tail to be very similar to IWA+cutmaliko

Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on August 27, 2019, 09:14:02 PM
Nothing like data.  $800.

Pricier than fine Japanese bluefin.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on August 27, 2019, 10:15:41 PM
nice...let us know Beasho?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on August 28, 2019, 07:16:59 AM
Awesome, Beasho!  Did Karla happen to say when the tails are going to be in stock again?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 808sup on August 28, 2019, 08:02:59 AM
Iím in for 1.5lbs. at that price.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on August 28, 2019, 03:21:45 PM
I'll take two pounds, if they'll throw in the scraps of the tail section in with the price.

Anyone know how the "GONG FOIL ALLVATOR SURF/SUP FRONT WING PRO (https://www.gong-galaxy.com/en/product/gong-foil-allvator-surf-sup-front-wing-pro/)" XL at $290 compares to the $750 GL180?
 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supunk on August 28, 2019, 06:41:06 PM
Have just ordered a Gong XL Pro wing but don't have a GoFoil GL to compare it with :'(
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: PonoBill on August 28, 2019, 07:08:00 PM
For what it's worth, my last Ferrari (360 spider) was 44 dollars a pound.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on September 01, 2019, 12:50:50 AM
Wing is working.  The take off is 75% as easy as the Maliko 200 vs. the Iwa. 

I am excited to see how well it handles speed.  Waves have been on the smaller side.  BUT the GL 210 has promise.  IF it DOESN'T have a top end or breach then it should work for everything.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on September 01, 2019, 01:00:48 AM
Nice wave with Jeff Clark.  Sunset 2019 wave season - 8/31/2019. 

Riding the GL 210.  See where he is taking off, and compare to my takeoff down wave.

New Season starts September 1st, 2019  :o

https://youtu.be/4wPfJp4_5Mg
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Hdip on September 01, 2019, 12:26:04 PM
Any prone guys up there? That video makes me want to bring my 4'8" up there to say I've surfed Mavericks. Since there's no way I'm going in the water when it's breaking for real.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: red_tx on September 01, 2019, 01:32:33 PM
Wing is working.  The take off is 75% as easy as the Maliko 200 vs. the Iwa. 

I am excited to see how well it handles speed.  Waves have been on the smaller side.  BUT the GL 210 has promise.  IF it DOESN'T have a top end or breach then it should work for everything.

Beasho, thanks for sharing info on the new wings. Are you saying that, as far as easy takeoffs it goes like this, from easiest to hardest. G210---IWA---M200.

I believe you are saying takeoff on G210 is easier/smoother than IWA 170. I have the IWA takeoff down and feel that the M200 is cumbersome and clunky from flat water to takeoff, to going down the line. I feel like the IWA takeoff is really smooth already and would be stoked if the GL210 was even smoother/more efficient.

-red
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on September 01, 2019, 03:10:13 PM
Wing is working.  The take off is 75% as easy as the Maliko 200 vs. the Iwa. 

I am excited to see how well it handles speed.  Waves have been on the smaller side.  BUT the GL 210 has promise.  IF it DOESN'T have a top end or breach then it should work for everything.

thanks, Beasho and how much do you weight?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on September 01, 2019, 03:33:08 PM
Wing is working.  The take off is 75% as easy as the Maliko 200 vs. the Iwa. 

I am excited to see how well it handles speed.  Waves have been on the smaller side.  BUT the GL 210 has promise.  IF it DOESN'T have a top end or breach then it should work for everything.

Beasho, thanks for sharing info on the new wings. Are you saying that, as far as easy takeoffs it goes like this, from easiest to hardest. GL210---IWA---M200.

I would say from a low speed LIFT takeoff perspective its:  1) M200 then 2) GL210 then 3) IWA.

I was worried that that GL210 wouldn't have as much lift for non-breaking wave takeoffs but it has proven to be almost as 'lifty' as the M200.  But don't get me wrong the M200 proved GREAT this summer on the East coast in 1 1/2 to 3 foot waves.  The slower wing worked well in the slow 6 to 8 second period waves.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supunk on September 01, 2019, 04:09:48 PM
Hi Beasho
Could you tell me the wingspan of the GL210?  :)
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supfoo on September 01, 2019, 08:10:08 PM
Dang Beasho, I hope you realize how lucky you are to have HMB as your foil spot.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supunk on September 02, 2019, 01:21:58 PM
On the verge of pre-ordering a GL210 wing. Which stabs are people using? The narrow or wide? Thanks in advance😀
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on September 02, 2019, 09:24:00 PM
narrow works great for me with the GL210
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: supunk on September 02, 2019, 11:58:54 PM
Thanks Jondrums  :D
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on September 05, 2019, 12:12:27 AM
I finally found something the GL doesn't do well! This morning, the break was littered with torn up little pieces of seaweed and seagrass from the last few days of swell.  Seems like the high aspect foil and thin tail can't handle this disturbance.  Lift was totally spoiled and drag through the roof. Basically unfoilable. IWA has previously been only slightly effected in similar conditions.  Interesting, but probably not relevant to most people/spots.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on September 05, 2019, 01:04:22 PM
Interesting... you going to keep your IWA for those days then?  My buddy got his GL210 two days ago and was out today.  He used it with the Maliko tail since they are out of the new tails.  From my perspective his foiling looked a lot more active than it was before--more cutbacks and pumping.   He said it was fast and he had to get used to not pumping too much at the drop so it doesn't take off.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on September 05, 2019, 02:49:57 PM
what's the weight of the paddler's on the GL210 as I have IWA but not sure which GL wing size to get as I mainly sup surf and might do DW one day?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: steamroller on September 05, 2019, 04:38:25 PM
you guys are right about the seagrass and seaweed....the IWA can coast over it and and sometimes through if you have enough speed...also you can sometimes pump UP to angle the wing upwards with the IWA to get it through the weeds and freedom... with the GL210 ....one little patch that you didn't see and ...SPLAT!..over the handlebars every time...
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on September 05, 2019, 06:49:03 PM
Got the Tail.  $270 for 9 oz.

$480 per lb.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on September 05, 2019, 09:04:50 PM
Amazing what we pay for these boards and wings... is that the narrow?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on September 06, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
Quick flight with the new tail.

More downforce than the RED KAI tail, but less than the Maliko Blue tail.  BUT Smooth as butter.

https://youtu.be/5EUGX9_zD5c
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on September 06, 2019, 07:47:06 PM
so awesome!  I've been out several days this week and I haven't see the water that calm all week - when was this?  So, does it pump as well as you hoped? - I share your goal to get  to where I can pump back out at similar power output as biking or running. Not there yet.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: Beasho on September 07, 2019, 07:20:47 AM
so awesome!  I've been out several days this week and I haven't see the water that calm all week - when was this?  . . . .

Calm! Funny you should say this. When we went out it was blustery and cold.  Nothing appealing about it.  We were joking because we took what were "Dentonian" conditions, which my surf-amigos refer to as

conditions so bad that only Denton would go out,

and made it appealing BY USING FOILS.  Jeff referred to the buoys as "Nothing at Nothing" seconds.  ::) 
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on September 07, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
the video makes it look positively glassy compared the conditions I've been seeing.  The other day north coast santa cruz had big long period waves, except with chop the size of typical waves breaking inside the faces.  not exactly perfect foiling...  Still had fun!
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: soepkip on September 13, 2019, 04:08:36 AM
I would like to know wingspans and surface area of the 3 new Gofoil GL wings.
Not easy to calculate surface but could someone  post wingspan?
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: jondrums on September 13, 2019, 03:26:08 PM
I measured my GL210 and put the data here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17xbTGEWSVeRhnYb_4vz_Gmby8UnrDys7Q1iB-6rC6F4/edit#gid=0

Unfortunately, nothing for the other two, but there are some photos floating around that would allow you to make some estimates based on the verified measurements I made on the 210.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: soepkip on September 13, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
Thanks for that Jondrums, but 1350 square inch is not the same as 1200 square cm?

So the GL210 wingspan is in between the wingspans of the Axis S900 and S1000:  900 - 965 - 1000
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: JEG on September 14, 2019, 12:50:03 AM
What's everyone's weight on the GL210 as I'm not sure which wing to get for sup surf at 80-82kg(180lbs). I'm thinking the GL180 might sink too much on knee to hip height slow wave and GL240 might be good for that and on overhead days.
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: SanoSlatchSup on September 14, 2019, 10:02:16 AM
What's everyone's weight on the GL210 as I'm not sure which wing to get for sup surf at 80-82kg(180lbs). I'm thinking the GL180 might sink too much on knee to hip height slow wave and GL240 might be good for that and on overhead days.
I got the opportunity to ride the GL180, and it flew me fine at my 185lbs. Just didn't find it very "surfable" as it's so flat and wide that I didn't like the way it turned (flat instead of carve if you will), so won't be buying one anytime in the near future (at their current prices anyway). But that's just me, as it seems like it would be a great DW wing or if you want to pump back out while surfing it to connect a couple waves...neither of which I plan on doing anytime soon. :-\
Title: Re: GoFoil 1.5 Release
Post by: 805StandUp on September 14, 2019, 06:39:22 PM
Thanks for the counter view SanO.  I hope to try one in about a week.  I am definitely considering the new tail, regardless.